Political Puppets

by craig on July 21, 2014 10:14 am in Uncategorized

Flechette shell darts

Massive demonstrations have taken place all over the UK against the continuing massacre in Gaza. There appears for the last three decades, to be a massive gulf between the attitude of the population of the United Kingdom towards the continuing genocide of the Palestinians, and the attitude of the political class across all mainstream political parties.

The divorce of the political class from the people – commonly referred to in the media as the decline of trust, as though it were the people’s fault – has been a huge phenomenon of recent times. In the case of the vocal and unreserved support of the political class for Zionism, it really does seem to be as simple as the constant pumping of pro-Zionist money to the politicians. Actually, this makes it a useful marker for how the entire rotten system works.

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  1. And the same phenomenon is clearly visible with regard to Islam. The BBC in particular, broadcasts with glee, when it has identified anyone considered a “terrorist” especially if they appear to be a follower of the Muslim faith.

    It continues to puzzle me that when our government, even without the will of the people, chooses to send its own citizens to a foreign country to kill brown skinned people, it is to be officially considered honourable & brave.

    On the other hand, when the decision to do the same is taken by an individual, that individual is considered by the British state to be subversive, dangerous & a threat to national security.

    I applaud neither scenario but the double standards reveals for all to see, the vested interests of the political, moneyed & aristocratic classes.

  2. Thank you Craig. The image is chilling. Imagine the pain caused by just one of those flechettes embedded in flesh.

    Jon Snow is in Israel. Is it just another journalistic mission? Does he care about the Palestinians’ plight? Probably yes. But then they move on. I am sure he will have no difficulty in staying ‘balanced’. They all do.

    Snow arrives in Israel

    Gaza conflict: in transit to war

    “Welcome to Israel. We wish you a pleasant stay. If this is not your final destination, we wish you a pleasant onward journey.”

    Another matter of fact landing at Ben Gurion airport. That onward journey – can the British Airways captain be referring to Gaza? One suspects not. Out of sight out of mind.

    Frosty immigration procedures – but then that’s normal. The only hint of war is the occasional ‘bomb shelter’ sign. It turns out to be located in the gents.

    And that is the extraordinary and oft repeated reality of war in and around Israel. The populace has learned to live with it. The Jerusalem Post talks of 13 IDF soldiers and some sixty Palestinians dead in fighting on Sunday, alongside 800 injured.

    Rush hour toward Jerusalem is the same bumper-to-bumper business it always is. Plenty of flags on the route but none at half mast.

    For now the Israeli government is still facilitating press passes and permits to go through the Gaza checkpoint.

    Strange business, journalism. Yesterday I was sitting in an English country garden eating lunch. Now I’m in Israel closing in on Gaza.

    On my way, amid my rushed packing (hand baggage only) the broken zip on my aging carry-all jams once more. At Heathrow I’d bought a cheap fold up bag. On the plane I’d changed bags, leaving my old friend in the luggage bin, empty, the zip still broken. But the old bag wont give up so easily and pitches up on the conveyor belt.

    I have to retrieve it and take it unceremoniously to the rubbish bin. To die in a bin in Tel Aviv – having survived ever since El Salvador in 1982 via Haiti, Obama, and so much more.

    Away with sentimentality. There’s a war to cover, raging between unequal forces. How to stay balanced, dispassionate, objective. It’s a challenge.


  3. IMHO the local lack of political will is unfortunately a manifestation of the international lack of will on the subject. Where the permanent members of the security council hold the right of veto…its means that there are intense power struggles between those 5 countries, rather than making the right decision for the planet. Very sad.

  4. As I said in another thread – non Zionists need to get involved in politics to counter their influence.

    Over half of seats are safe seats. MPs are selected, not elected, by small cliques of party members. If the UKs 2.4 million Muslims for example got involved in that process… became members of parties… they could sweep away the 80% of Conservative MPs who are in Friends of Israel. And counter the scapegoating and demonisation we see against them with the schools etc.

  5. The Green Party is against Israeli occupation and settlements.

  6. 2 points from peoples points

    The state sending people to war is completely different to an individual choosing to fight in another country’s (civil) war (and I am not a fan of a state sending people to war)

    I think you will find that labour has many more people that are friends of Israel than the tories (on a different it was a pleasure to see the war toting Hague go last week)

  7. Those flechette shells are just high-tech nail bombs.

    Those of us who are old enough will remember the utter
    horror and opprobrium they attracted to the IRA when
    they were used in the Hyde Park and Regents Park bombings.
    Even the horses got sympathy, but when deployed against
    Palestinians all our politicians can do is regurgitate
    the line about Israel’s right to defend itself.

  8. Couldn’t agree more.
    To succeed in Westminster it seems one has to become first a friend of Israel ,then go on a Jolly Zion tour where the FOI becomes indoctrinated and “indebted” to their hosts.It’s as effective as AIPAC but slightly less visible.
    They have all come out with this ” Israel has a right to defend herself ” as they flatten Gaza.Not one shred of evidence has been put forward to support their” theory” that the 3 young Israeli’s were kidnapped by Palestinians or Hamas to be more accurate.
    More Israeli’s choke to death on olives than die at the hands of Palestinians.
    The UN’s response is comical.You would think that no-one was being killed. The EU could put pressure on Israel with trade embargo’s but do the opposite.FIFA could halt Israel from playing in European and International competition until they stop bombing to death youngsters whose only crime was playing or watching football on a beach.
    There have been quite a few Israeli deaths by now,but 90% of them are soldiers. With Israel 90% of them are civilians.The flechette’s are like flying nail bombs but much deadlier and as indiscriminate as the millions of cluster bombs that Israel left in their wake in Lebanon.
    No doubt UKIP has already been wooed to bits by Tel Aviv and FOI.Just makes one feel more impotent than the day before.

  9. A young soldier with a young family from a practising Sunni Islam community is sent to defend farming villages on the other side of Kirkuk. The Pershmerga are the thin blue line between the Israeli Caliphate and Kurdistan. All is clear, then suddenly ISIS armed with US rifles shoot from the top of Date palms.

    The Pershmerga are the thin blue line between ISIS and breakfast. The wives and children, animals and savings of Kurdish or Syrian or Afghani or Pakistani villagers will feed the British-born wives accompanying ISIS. Just another day of looting and pillaging which has gone totally unnoticed for so many years at the hands of Taleban or hundreds of other groups of roaming Israeli mercenaries.

    What is happening in Gaza is the IDF glorifying in its own theocratic fatwahs of hate and believing in its own macho-brutality. I cannot find a hair of difference between what Al Qaida and IDF are doing in the name of their religions.

    Obviously US Senators like John McCain are aware of this carnage against honest worshippers of either religion because he is often photographed, a fat billionaire, with them. UK politicians, who previously created the troubles in Northern Ireland by their own hands, pretend to be unaware of the actual effect of their pro-Zionist policies on the ground in Syria or Libya.

    I have no doubt that if they thought an air assault on Syria would have caused as much human distress as the ground assault by Al Qaida, they would have voted for it unanimously in Parliament.

    The biggest incongruity I find is between the jovial freedom of multi-ethnicity and multi-faith UK urban and village society and the threadbare fatwas of hate being enacted in Muslim countries. The scholars whom I have asked in the mosque about what is going on in Syria, who campaign for New Labour at local elections, have stated that it is merely a political struggle and no concern of jihad for Islam.

    But they let the cat out of the bag when they pray for the Taleban ( Hisbullah for them ) in Sham ( Syria ). Mulla gian/ More tea, Vicar? Oh you’re fasting, but while you’re fasting your fatwas are killing innocent Muslim soldiers, men women and children in the -stans.

  10. All this political taking of sides. Who is right, West/Israel or Hamas/Palestinian polity? Both are wrong in my opinion. Condemning Israel’s invasion as genocide while ignoring the rocket-armed terrorism of Hamas, I don’t want to hear any of it. Everyone has a political agenda when approaching this issue. All this finger pointing tells more about the critics of Israel and/or Hamas than the truth of the Israel-Palestinian conflict itself.

  11. OEM

    Here is a clue. The ones killing hundreds of unarmed civilians, after decades of stealing their land because God told them it was OK, and herding them into camps, are not the good ones. Does that make it any easier for you?

  12. Derailing attempts aside!

    As Gilad Atzmon clarifies the extent of the issues at hand.

    Further, it ought to be understood that the current political arrangements are designed to coerce and compel those potential nascent future political actors/aspirants must take on board that without their subscription to the imperatives of the political body’s they have joined, their future as political actors is none existent.

    Following from there, regardless of the engagement with/in the political processes, the activists will find themselves as front line soldiers who are good enough to go on leaflet drives and on the knocker without ever achieving anything other than helping the selected few to legitimise their lien on the seats of power for the benefit of the wider audiences whom are duped into believing there exists a democratic process.

    As Craig points out the degrees of disdain of the political classes is reflected in their apportioning blame on their constituents “apathy”, and not the total disconnect of the aspirations of their constituents and the brand of ideology peddled by these classes as well as the evident universal principles of genuflection to all things zionists, and principles thereof regardless of the depth of the feeling of the population, they are supposedly representing.

    Finally taking a leaf out of the Reagan’s book; Mr Cameron why don’t you end your governments support for the barbaric, inhuman, racist, and fascist regime in Israel?

  13. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    21 Jul, 2014 - 12:30 pm

    Actually, this makes it a useful marker for how the entire rotten system works.

    You may not be old enough to remember when the USP of the British Empah was that it didn’t go in for corruption in high places, unlike the benighted foreign persons it was destined to rule. OK, that was a lie too, but we’re not even pretending now. So much easier not to live up to standards when you haven’t got any standards.

    The unapproachably truthful Martin Rowson puts it more directly. I think Rowson will be remembered (like Gilray and Hogarth in their time) long after the posturing bellends who invited his derision are footnotes in unread histories:


  14. Internalised imperatives in the Western societies

    To further clarify the current lopsided antagonisms and intolerance extended to dissenters.

  15. The Israeli government is in contravention of International law, natural law and in particular its own Mosaic law.

    “Thou shalt not kill

    O/T Can anyone please shed light on this?


  16. Maybe I should have mentioned that the young Kurdish Sunni Pershmerga soldier was my mother-in-law’s cousin, buried last week. Orphaned himself, he leaves 3 young children without a father. This was my tribute to him.

  17. Brilliant post Craig.

  18. “Israel has the right to defend itself”. Do not the Palestinian children have the right to life and to play on the beach without the fear of being shot.
    The good old EBC try their hardest to ignore the unpalatable reality and illegality of GAZA, is this their own view or is the great British establishment giving EBC the direction of travel and the script that is to be used.

    The EBC is just the establishments mouthpiece and compliant propaganda machine be it GAZA or Scottish referendum.

  19. JorgenNielsen

    21 Jul, 2014 - 1:35 pm

    Dear John [Goss].
    Craig Murray has some stupid mods.
    In all probability they are 20-somethings, deriving from the Indian subcontinent, naive and poorly paid, whome you would never engage with in a pub – [mainly because they would never set foot in such place].

  20. The loss of the Malay airliner is a terrible misfortune for the relatives,the difference in the coverage and the voluminous propogander aimed at Russia without any substantial proof being provided.
    Contrast this with the massacre ongoing in gaza and the complete compliant attitude of british ruling class with the Zionist shows that nothing has changed within the political system since the nineteenth century, the poor plebs of the working class have disenfranchised with there being no difference between any the major parties.It can be seen that what ever party that is government the are there to promote the interests of british capitalists and to vote is make yourself a party to grand fraud.

  21. A couple of points:

    We a ruled by a political class who have nothing but contempt for ordinary people and their views.

    There is, in my mind, no moral difference between a lone terrorist and a government going to war. They both use the same techniques (violence, the threat of violence), have the same aim (the imposition of their political goals on others) and are both are evil and cause immense suffering (generally a government causes far more however).

    States have no right to defense – individuals do, and can form collective organisations to defend themselves. States are not voluntary collectives, they are the imposition of a ruling class upon the majority (this is why pacifists, anti-war activists and anarchists are persecuted – they undermine the central principle of states and that terrifies politicians far more than opposing politicians).

  22. I thought the comment of Guano at 1.28 pm was off topic but having read the article he links it makes a plausible point that the passenger plane was shot down at the same time as Israel mounted its recent despicable offensive against the Gazan civilian population. It makes the further point that two Malaysian passenger planes have recently been downed (apparently) and that Malaysia has been very vocal in accusing Israel of war crimes. With all the false flags in the world today it is not inconceivable that the two events did not occur by chance.

  23. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    21 Jul, 2014 - 2:44 pm

    It can be seen that what ever party that is government the are there to promote the interests of british capitalists and to vote is make yourself a party to grand fraud. (Seydlitz)

    Illustrated here for light relief…


  24. Dear friends,

    The British Council/Choir of London Bursary Scheme gives young Palestinian musicians the chance to visit the UK for a short period of study, based around a residential music course with their British counterparts, followed by a residency in London playing and studying with professional musicians and teachers from London’s top orchestras and music colleges.

    This year’s Bursary winners Sari Tarazi (trumpet, 14, from Jerusalem), Rashed Zarour (viola, 16, from Jenin), Ibrahim Masri (violin, 14, from Nablus) and Lamar Elias (violin, 14, from Bethlehem) arrived in the UK last week and are currently attending Pro Corda Chamber Orchestra course in Suffolk before coming to London for a five-day residency at the Royal Academy of Music. During the residency the students will take daily individual classes as well as participating in chamber music rehearsals, songwriting workshops, and masterclasses covering baroque performance, improvisation, and conducting.

    Sadly, at the time of writing, it looks increasingly unlikely that this year’s fifth Bursary student, 14-year-old pianist Sara Aqel, will be able to travel from Gaza in order to attend the London residency. We look forward to welcoming her to the UK in the future.

    Sari, Rashed, Ibrahim and Lamar warmly invite you to a Showcase Concert and drinks reception at the Mosaic Rooms, Earls Court on 29th July at 7.30pm. Featuring chamber music performances, solos from each of the students, traditional Arabic and British folk music and collaborations with professional musicians, the concert marks the end of their two weeks in the UK and celebrates the connections made and experiences that will be carried with them back to Palestine.

    Joining the students will be the Choir of London, fresh from their 2013 tours to Palestine (leading the Palestine Choral Festival) and Australia (performing Bach’s Christmas Oratorio with the Australian Chamber Orchestra), conducted by Jeremy Summerly. The concert will also feature guest musicians who have worked with the students throughout their residency, including John Reid (piano), Heidi Bennett (trumpet), Charis Jenson (violin), Sophie Rivlin (cello) and singer/songwriter Sam Swallow.

    Free tickets are available by emailing rsvp@choiroflondon.org – seating in this intimate and friendly venue is limited so reserve your ticket early to avoid disappointment. For information about the concert you can visit the page on our website, and for more information about the Bursary Scheme and the Choir of London's plans for the future, please email us at info@choiroflondon.org.

    We do hope to see you there! Please do pass this email on to anyone who you think may be interested in hearing about the Bursary Scheme.

    John Harte & Michael Stevens
    The Choir of London

    Do go if you can. Sadly, I cannot go this year but I heard them play last year. It was a wonderful concert at Kings Place. They are very talented children, especially so in view of the lives they are living under occupation.

  25. YouKnowMyName

    21 Jul, 2014 - 3:13 pm

    Watching Turkish TV today, the reports are live from the shelled hospital in Gaza;
    Watching Greek Cypriot TV the financial pressures are still top of the agenda;
    Watching Russian TV the live presentation from their Pentagon have Ten Questions for the Yanks,
    Meanwhile on the BBC, Claire Boulding is wandering somewhere picturesque…

    Personally I’ve no idea which story is designed to eclipse which other story, just have to say that those Russkies in their press conference looked madder than a bear in a hornets nest!

    Does anyone in the Beeb not think it’s absolutely time to start pushing ‘Protect & Survive’ again?

  26. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    21 Jul, 2014 - 3:14 pm

    Channel 4 has joined me in noticing the eerie silence emanating from Quartet’s Middle East Envoy, Tony Blair, for the last six days or so, as Israel’s enhancement of the horror in Gaza continues.


    This may be relevant: after his Progress speech today, Blair said that he would not be heading to North Britain to give his support to the No campaign, despite favouring a continuation of the Union. It could be that he has at last realised that he is a toxic brand, and that supporting the No’s would more or less guarantee a Yes vote. And it could be that he knows his fantasy of being an honest broker in the ME has at last run onto the rocks of countervailing fact. I hope.

  27. Lord Palmerston

    21 Jul, 2014 - 3:17 pm

    > rotten system

    Do you know who was immune to pro-Zionist money? They are nearly all
    gone now; and they and their few successors are objects of contempt
    and derision among right-minded people. They are indeed among the few
    categories of persons upon whom it is not only safe but laudable to
    heap obloquy: old, white, wealthy aristocratic men.

    When that 1% or so of the population ran our affairs, campaign
    fund-raising and focus groups were not among their concerns.
    Principles counted for much – see the Trent Affair[1], something whose
    modern counterpart would be inconceivable.

    Now we have Democracy. Our rulers are professional politicians who go
    wherever the wind blows, provided it is not quite too far for an
    apathetic, ignorant and disengaged electorate. Since any adult can
    vote, a vote is virtually worthless and the voters cast them (or not)

    This is why we have a rotten system and why nothing will stop it.

    1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trent_affair

  28. What a contrast there is in the West’s reaction to unfolding events in Ukraine versus how it responds to Gaza and the Palestinian crisis.

  29. doug scorgie

    21 Jul, 2014 - 3:36 pm

    Antony Goddard

    21 Jul, 2014 – 10:51 am

    “The Green Party is against Israeli occupation and settlements.”

    All the parties are “officially” against this because the occupation and settlements are illegal under international law but…………………………………………….

  30. Ukraine and Gaza Statement

    Nothing in the way of help for the Palestinians’ plight coming from Cameron. It’s really all their fault sending the rockets and refusing to join in nice Mr Netanyahu’s ceasefire/truce. Sorry for the deaths and woundings. Weasel words from Ms Harman followed as Ed is in Washington. Two state solution, blah blah…..

    The pocket pols are men and women of straw with some exceptions.

  31. Israelis are invaders & occupiers of Palestinian land, which they steal more of EVERY DAY.. The Israeli government/regime are criminals & human rights abusers (within Israel) of Palestinian people, & have been for 66 years…. They have also ignored many UN resolutions against them, & posess Nuclear WMDs without a mandate.. They are also muderers, such as in Gaza at the moment.. They are International & War Criminals, & should be brought to account by the (up to now)useless UN.. The US/UK/France etc. really should stop supporting these MAD Israelis..

  32. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    21 Jul, 2014 - 4:06 pm

    Perhaps I should apologise to Mr. Blair. After all, preparing his speech for Progress must have exhausted him, and on the 25th he is due to fly to China and lick the bottom of a Chinese construction oligarch. This information is so far only available from Seychellois websites, to which my sincere thanks:


    Looking for Tony? He’s not often far from Bill Clinton. Coincidence, undoubtedly.

    Looking for Tony in Gaza? Hahahahaha.

  33. Israel ‘Hits Hospital’ As Death Toll Tops 500

    The strike injures a further 60 people including 30 medical staff, say doctors, as the aerial bombardment of Gaza continues.

    Four people have been killed and a further 70 injured after Israeli tank shells hit a hospital in central Gaza, according to Palestinian medics.

    Thirty of those wounded in the attack were reportedly medical staff.

    Health official Ashraf al Kidra said 12 shells hit the intensive care unit, surgery department and administration building at the al Aqsa hospital in the town of Deir el-Balah.

    Palestinian salvages a mattress from the remains of a house, which police said was destroyed in an Israeli air strike, in Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip

    A Palestinian man salvages a mattress from the remains of his house

    Footage on Hamas’ al Aqsa TV station showed chaotic scenes at the facility.

    Fayez Zidane, a doctor at the hospital, told the station: “There is still shelling at the hospital.”

    In an earlier Israeli airstrike, 28 members of the same family were killed near Gaza’s southern border with Egypt, according to medics.


    More cruelty now than earlier.

  34. The public and polititians are moving in the opposite direction. Fewer and fewer people are voting. But, irrespective of the number of votes cast, the polititians claim “a mandate” and continue with the policies people are against.

    I can’t see any way of making this divide apparent, for even the least interested people, by any means other than SPOILING our votes. Once a large number of people do this, even the weasly polititians will have problem with claiming a mandate.

  35. “The divorce of the political class from the people…has been a huge phenomenon of recent times.”

    By which measure do you make such a claim? I suggest this is nonsense from some make believe Lala land where politcians used to be jolly good chaps.

    The grass roots have always been held in contmept by crazed leaderships. Remember Asquith and Churchill raced the country into WW1 to the howling dismay of the Liberal Party grass roots.

    Another indicator of disenfranchisement is voter turnout. This has been fairly consistent for very long time. There has been no substantial drop in “the last three decades”. Maybe a slight decline in the last few years but nothing that hasn’t happened before.

    If anything today’s wider population is more accepting of the political classes shit now than it has been for a long time, possibly ever. Popular challenges to the political classes such as The great unrest, the general strike, 1968, the miners strike, to name just a few from the last century, are simply unimaginable today.

    “Massive demonstrations have taken place all over the UK against the continuing massacre in Gaza.”

    Massive? All over? Are you joking? Unless I have missed something it was less than a Leeds United gate, in only two cities. Not massive. Not all over. Quite the opposite.

    Craig, please stop writing bollocks. There has always been a massive gulf between the politcial classes and the people. To lack this perspective leads you into stupid and ugly territory. You’re beginning to sound like some of the commentators here. You know, stuck on the Jewish question.

  36. JorgenNielsen

    21 Jul, 2014 - 4:20 pm

    Dear Rehmat
    It’s the first time i hear that Poroshenko has Jewish roots. One always learns something new. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

    The Jewish Daily Forward, May 23, 2014.: Ukraine Presidential Frontrunner Petro Poroshenko and His Secret Jewish Roots

    ‘Chocolate King’s’ Father Was Jew Who Took Wife’s Name

    By Cnaan Lipshiz

    According to the popular Russian television channel Russia-1, Poroshenko’s father was a Jew named Alexei Valtsman from the Odessa region who in 1956 took on the last name of his wife, Yevgenya Poroshenko.
    Poroshenko’s media team did not reply to JTA requests for comment, but they are not indifferent about the subject.
    Last year, Poroshenko’s spokeswoman asked Forbes Israel to remove her boss’ name from a list of the world’s richest Jews, a magazine source confirmed.



  37. Anne O'Nimmus

    21 Jul, 2014 - 4:36 pm

    Indeed, Cameron speaking just a short while ago gave the totally dishonest Israelcentric version of events – blame Hamas! Rockets, rockets everywhere, and not a peep from Israel – until they were ‘forced’ to respond! What BS.
    Israel humiliation at end of ‘peace’ negotiations – which failed, of course, Israel’s preferred outcome except that they were correctly blamed.
    Israel fury at Hamas/Fatah reconciliation.
    Death of two boys on Nakba Day – filmed by cctv and a major US network. More humiliation and fury from Israel (they sent their goons to rough up the shop owner and steal his and other cctv cameras).
    (as soon as unity deal had been announce, Israel had plans in the works to ‘punish’ Palestinians – several analysts noted so)
    The abduction and murder of 3 Israeli teens in Palestine – despite the fact that Israel found their bodies fairly promptly (the autopsies bear this out – no deterioration over the 18 days presumed to be in a shallow grave in 30 to 40 degree heat? come on!) enabled them to unleash a rampage across the West Bank, destroying property, thieving, and all the rest. But, since they were blaming Hamas, they also bombed around 50 targets in Gaza (with NO Hamas response – fire was from the small factions), with several incursions. NOT UNTIL THEY BOMBED A TUNNEL AND KILLED 6 HAMAS PERSONNEL DID HAMAS FIRE BACK and then the Israelis went wild with their ‘Operation Mighty Cliff’ (Protective Shield is not a translation of the Hebrew name). This whole onslaught is manufactured and deliberately provoked by Israel. How else to justify maintaining $3bn and the rest from Uncle Sam? How else to offer ‘battle’ tested munitions to the arms market?

  38. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Jul, 2014 - 4:48 pm

    Domestic Extremist

    “Those flechette shells are just high-tech nail bombs.

    Those of us who are old enough will remember the utter
    horror and opprobrium they attracted to the IRA when
    they were used in the Hyde Park and Regents Park bombings.”

    I’m certain that if this blog had been around at that time, Mary, Ba’al Zevul and the other Excellences would have found some way of supporting the IRA and saying that the evil UK was in fact responsible morally for those bombs. Some would probably have gone as far as to claim that they were false flag attacks.

    They are scum.

  39. Troll. Don’t sully my name in your smears. You know nothing of my opinion of the IRA.

    Speaking of scum, have you examined your outpourings lately?

  40. I had not appreciated that Phillips had moved to the Times last Autumn. In good company there with Aaronovitch.


    Only the BBC. so ridiculously corrupted, could think of continuing her employment on the Moral Maze and Any Questions on Radio 4 and Question Time on BBC 1.

  41. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Jul, 2014 - 5:02 pm

    Ba’al “Baldrock” Zevul

    Are you not beginning to take yourself just slightly too seriously?

    The following two extracts refer:

    “Channel 4 has joined me in noticing …” (IT joined YOU?)

    “This information is so far only available from Seychellois websites, to which my sincere thanks..” (yes, they posted that specially for YOU!).

    Pompous twat.

  42. This child is dead. Every time I see this photo I sob. It is so tender, an expression of love for the lost life by a very caring human being.


  43. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Jul, 2014 - 5:28 pm

    From our friend MARY (on the Gaza Invasion thread):

    “What is Boris up to employing such an extreme Zionist? Am example of how Jewish people are embedded in the structure of government at all levels, national, regional and local and not even a moderate in Hoffman’s case. Just like Yankeeland. The Palestinian people do not stand a chance of regaining their land and homes until Israel goes down.”

    All should note the reference to “Jewish people”, rather than “Zionists”.

    Sounds like a Jew-hater to me.

  44. Craig, it seems you too are scared of Zionist lobby. You just removed my three comments on Israel.

    Shalom = “It means what is good for the Jews,” Gilad Atzmon, Israeli-born British author and musician.

  45. ” Shalom = “It means what is good for the Jews,” Gilad Atzmon, Israeli-born British author and musician. ”

    Atzmon has numerous charges of anti-semitism and Holocaust denial against him. Many previous supporters now distance themselves from him.

    Not a source to be trusted.

  46. Israel ‘Hits Hospital’ As Death Toll Tops 500

    The BBC report of this horrific incident perhaps unintentionally
    includes as a sidebar a snippet of John Kerry referring to the Gaza offensive as a ‘hell of a pinpoint operation’.


    In it’s fatuousness Kerry’s comment is comparable with describing an amputation with a hacksaw as ‘keyhole surgery’.

  47. Habbakuk is in danger of transmogrifying into a LP record.


    Gilad Atzmon spits out the truth so he is labelled as a self hating Jew. Has Kempe met him, listened to him and listened to him play his music? Probably not. I have though.

  48. BrianFujisan

    21 Jul, 2014 - 6:19 pm

  49. Well one thing is almost certain with regard to Israel and Gaza. Before the day is out this petition against investing in Israel will have reached 1 million signatures and still going strong.


  50. BrianFujisan

    21 Jul, 2014 - 6:34 pm

    Ahhh ..meant to put this link up too…of Dr Mads Gilbert telling of Israeli war Crimes…here is a true Hero –


  51. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Jul, 2014 - 6:44 pm


    “Habbakuk is in danger of transmogrifying into a LP record.”

    Are you referring to my re-posting of your post in which you pointed to the “presence of Jewish people” at all levels of British political life?

    I do hope your are, because I intend to repost it from time to time to show people that you are not only an anti-Zionist as you claim but also anti-Jewish.

    BTW, I notice that none of your friends on here has leaped forward to “defend” you – not even the usual loudmouths.

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    21 Jul, 2014 - 6:46 pm

    Atzmon has numerous charges of anti-semitism and Holocaust denial against him.


    As has “Israel Shamir”, who is also quoted occasionally on here with great approval.

  53. There are many musicians and other artists who’s works I admire but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with their politics. Especially if they happen to be as nasty as Atzmon’s.


    There are no shortage of websites which will tell you the real meaning of “shalom” and it’s relation to the Arabic “salaam”. This is just one.


    However if you’d rather believe the rantings of a racist conspiracy theorist…

    Rehmat, we have discussed your perverse definition of what constitutes anti-semitism already. We all know what is commonly understood by the term and I intend to stick to that.

  54. Chunky Mark the Taxi Driver. As usual, he’s correct. Wish he didn’t shout though.

    Massacre of Gaza not disproportional – UK Gov

  55. Thank you very much Brian. He is my hero. His goodness shines out doesn’t it. He, the healer, should have the Nobel peace prize and not the likes of Obama, the warmonger. He is inspirational.

    The BBC have been told about him and his work but they have not spoken to him. We only hear him courtesy of Press TV.

  56. Thanks for the links Brian. Could not bring myself to watch the video. I am sure when soldiers of any army have killed once they become immune to what it is to be a murderer.

  57. More from Dr Mads – speaking on Democracy Now. Video 14 mins and transcript.

    Monday, July 21, 2014
    Breaking: In Latest Attack on Gaza Medical Site, IDF Shells al-Aqsa Hospital; 5 Dead, Dozens Hurt

  58. Well-in the welter of absolutely horrific war-crimes being carried out whilst the usual high-ranking neocon suspects sit on their hands and look the other away-it is at least vaguely amusing to see the trolls becoming ever more apoplectic.

  59. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    21 Jul, 2014 - 7:59 pm

    Only when every the politically inept force themselves to vote, and vote for people, not for party politicians will the FoI loose their control over British foreign policy and the complicit media, the long game indeed.

    Only when we change our politi will these rabble rousers and warmongers be dethrowned.

    Michael Cricks question tonight to tyhe inciter of mass murder Blair ‘shouldn’t you, as the middle east peace envoy, be in Gaza now Mr Blair?’

    Today, Michael Crick is the best journalist there is! Blairs face spoke volumnes he couldn’t get away from it, stuck in a elevator with a bruiser jarring the sensor, priceless.

    Thank you Michael Crick for pursuing that prick.

  60. Why on earth would peace envoy Tony Blair be in Gaza just now when tbere’s so much lovely lolly for him to skim from deals with his oligarch gangster dictator buddies all over the world?

    Honestly,some people cant give the poor man a break when hes only trying to earn a crust!

  61. OldMark

    I think Kerry was being sarcastic – he didn’t intend to be heard.

  62. Nevermind Thanks.

    Here’s the shit.
    Tony Blair is tracked down in London by @MichaelLCrick, who asks him why he isn’t in the Middle East #Gaza http://bit.ly/1mwBZbz #c4news


    Should Blair make speeches in London as Gaza burns?

    In a speech on the 20th anniversary of his becoming Labour leader, Tony Blair devotes half a minute to the situation in Gaza. We asked if London is the place for the Middle East quartet envoy to be?

    Mr Blair told an audience of the New Labour pressure group Progress that he was “saddened and angry about the tragedy of the Gaza conflict”.

    The former prime minister, derided by some for leading the UK into the Iraq war, described how hundreds of Palestinians, including children, had lost their lives in “this nightmare” and said he had witnessed the ongoing “fear and insecurity” of people in Israel “who still see their right to exist under challenge”.

    Mr Blair, the Middle East representative for the Quartet (United Nations, European Union, United States and Russia), spoke for 31 seconds about the conflict in the 25-minute Philip Gould lecture.

    Channel 4 News asked followers on Facebook and Twitter if they thought the Middle East envoy should be in London at a time when violent clashes in Gaza are escalating and the death toll has risen above 500.


  63. The End of Israel
    by Gilad Atzmon / July 21st, 2014

    In his speech to the nation Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu acknowledged yesterday that the war on Gaza is a battle for the existence of the Jewish State. Netanyahu is correct. And Israel cannot win this battle; it cannot even define what a victory might entail. Surely the battle is not about the tunnels or the militants’ underground operation, the tunnels are just weapons of resistance rather than the resistance itself. The Hamas and Gaza militants lured Israel into a battle zone in which it could never succeed and Hamas set the conditions, chose the ground and has written the terms required to conclude this cycle of violence.

    For ten days Netanyahu did all he could to prevent an IDF ground operation. He was facing the reality that Israel lacks a military answer to Palestinian resistance. Netanyahu knew that a defeat on the ground would eradicate the little that remains of IDF’s power of deterrence.

    Five days ago, Israel, at least in the eyes of its supporters, held the upper ground. It saw it citizens subject to an endless barrage of rockets, yet it showed relative restraint, killing Palestinian civilians only from afar, which served to convey an imaginary image of strength. But that has changed rapidly since Israel launched its ground operation. Israel is now, once again, involved in colossal war crimes against a civilian population and worse, at least strategically, its elite infantry commandos are being eradicated in a face-to-face street battle in Gaza. In spite of clear Israeli technological superiority and firepower, the Palestinian militants are winning the battle on the ground and they have even managed to move the battle to Israeli territory. In addition, the barrage of rockets on Tel Aviv doesn’t seem to stop.

    IDF’s defeat in Gaza leaves the Jewish State with no hope. The moral is simple. If you insist on living on someone else’s land, military might is an essential ingredient to discourage the dispossessed from acting to reclaim their rights. The level of IDF casualties and the number of bodies of Israeli elite soldiers returning home in coffins send a clear message to both Israelis and Palestinians. Israeli military superiority belongs to the past. There is no future for the Jews-only-State in Palestine; they may have to try somewhere else.



    Gilad Atzmon, now living in London, was born in Israel and served in the Israeli military. He is the author of The Wandering Who and one of the most accomplished jazz saxophonists in Europe. He can be reached at: atz@onetel.net.uk. Read other articles by Gilad, or visit Gilad’s website.

  64. Resident Dissident

    21 Jul, 2014 - 9:36 pm

    I notice that no one is joining in with my call of yesterday to give credit and support to Mahmood Abbas in his attempt to broker a ceasefire between the IDF and Hamas – since this seems to be the only show in town aimed at stopping the undoubted suffering of Palestinians in Gaza it does rather speak volumes of many commenters here.

  65. the hands up their arses

    21 Jul, 2014 - 10:25 pm

    You can actually watch them write new lines for the puppets to say as the old ones get discredited. Here’s the newest bullshit from Paul Kahn, that greasy dripping blivet of Zionazi cant at Harold Koh’s disgraced haunt, Yale.


    Kahn recites the US Juche: IHL don’t work. His latest hail-mary rationale: it fails to accommodate armed conflicts not of an international character. His reason is that modern warfare is just too complicated. Kahn conceals the one big reason why IHL doesn’t work in Gaza: the US and Israel will fight to the death to ensure that it does not apply. And why do they try to make sure it won’t apply? Because the civil/military command structure don’t want to take their medicine. Because they’re scared of getting locked up. See? That is how laws work!

    Apply Kahn’s logic to Joe Blow crimes like pedophilia. Then Michael Jackson proves NAMBLA is right. Power asymmetry voids law. No, dipshit, law voids crimes of asymmetrical power.

    “The law cannot tell us which people should be states or where to draw the boundaries between states.” So… wait for it… politicians have to do it! Pitch-perfect top-down US statism. And wrong, if not illiterate. By law, peoples have the right to self-determination under democratic standards established by law (ICCPR Article 25). US statists can’t handle that because the US doesn’t adhere to those democratic standards and it never did. When did US politics ever guarantee the free expression of the will of the electors? US politics is built to ensure that the will of the electors is restricted two irrelevant state-authorized forced choices – so the US, or Israel, cannot take its natural course, and break up.

    Lots more reeking bullshit at the link.

  66. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    21 Jul, 2014 - 10:33 pm

    I notice that no one is joining in with my call of yesterday to give credit and support to Mahmood Abbas in his attempt to broker a ceasefire between the IDF and Hamas…

    For me it goes without saying, but glad to say it anyway. But he’s not on his own, and he’s currently in or on his way to Qatar to try and narrow the gap between Fatah and Hamas on an Egyptian proposal. This requires that the (Fatah) PA undertake controls on the Rafah crossing as a condition of opening it: craftily inserting the Israel-compliant PA in place of Hamas. Hamas’s objection to this, in realpolitik terms, is a foregone conclusion; the initiative is designed to fail. Ban Ki-Moon and John Kerry are currently in Cairo – the latter will be, however reluctantly, widening the gap between Hamas and Fatah, in line with US-Israel co-operation, and Turkey is also involved.


  67. True words here from Lenny Lapon –

    On October 19, 2010 my plane landed in Israel and instantaneously I was awarded Israeli citizenship with identification card # 012706735, solely because I am Jewish. Through reflection and study I have come to realize that this act was a travesty of justice. There are several million Palestinians and their descendants who cannot enter and/or live and move freely in their native historical homeland.

    For several decades I believed, as most Jews do, that the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel was an answer to the Nazi Holocaust and other persecutions of Jews through the centuries, such as the Russian pogroms, the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades. However, none of these atrocities were carried out by Palestinians and none of them justify the atrocities and other injustices perpetrated upon the Palestinian people by the Zionist Movement and the State of Israel for over a century. I am referring to the racist colonization of Palestine, the Nakba/Catastrophe of 1948 whereby the establishment of Israel as a state was accompanied by the destruction of hundreds of Palestinian Arab villages, massacres of thousands of men, women and children and the forced exile of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homeland. Subsequently Israel has embarked upon an aggressive, Nazi-like expansion and a brutal, inhuman, military occupation of nearly half a century.

    As a serious student of the Nazi Holocaust, I can only be horrified at the disgrace that the State of Israel and its Jewish supporters continue to bring upon the memory of Jewish Holocaust victims. It’s a moral abomination to emulate Nazi tactics in the name of the Jewish people and their alleged security: cowardly massive bombings and slaughter of civilian populations who have no air force to protect them, collective punishment and torture, mass incarcerations, destruction of thousands of homes, and the vicious blockade and ghettoization of Gaza.

    Israel is not becoming an apartheid state—it already is one with separate and unequal laws and policing for its Jewish citizens on one hand and for its non-Jewish, mostly Arab citizens and victims of the occupation on the other hand.

    It is with a newfound clarity of thinking and analyzing a very emotional tragedy that I have thrown off the shackles of Zionist propaganda and am proudly and publicly renouncing my Israeli citizenship effective immediately. At the same time I denounce the ongoing colonial oppression of the Palestinian people, a terrible injustice that is greatly facilitated by US tax dollars supporting the vast Israeli military machine. I also encourage other Jews to educate themselves and to stand on the side of the oppressed.


  68. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    21 Jul, 2014 - 10:53 pm


    Blair breaks silence on Gaza, not


  69. BrianFujisan

    Thanks for the video upload I will pass it on to some of the lads. bbc were left in no doubt that; we know hey are pulling wool over our eyes, and shame on them for that!


    Thanks for the lessons, good job you are indexing them.

  70. Who invented, who manufactures and who sells these flechette nail dart bombs, and where else have they been used and by whom?

  71. Gilad Atzmon is correct. They cannot ‘win’. More Israeli military deaths overnight.

    ZBC have sent the stooge John Simpson to Sderot. Wailing and knashing of teeth at an Israeli military funeral was shown. Then he spoke to Zippi (Tzipi Livni) whom he described as the ‘most dovish’ of Israeli politicians!!!! Really Mr Simpson?

    A very pleasant interior of an Israeli home with a damaged ceiling was shown. He also showed an Israeli film of Hamas men emerging from a tunnel and told us that all 10 were killed. Satisfaction there. Then we were shown the interior of the tunnel. He praised its sophisticated construction. As we could see, it’s still all about the tunnels.

    His plummy tones, slow delivery and his war weariness add gravitas to the message.

    A more outrageous piece of Israeli propaganda could not have been produced.

    In sharp contrast, Lyce Doucet showed the wrecked hovels and blasted hospitals in Gaza.Two patients were killed in their beds and the hand of a nurse who was assisting in an operating theatre was amputated by an Israeli weapon. There is no water or electricity.

    Gaza crisis: Shejaiya assault defines grimmest day

    ‘Early on Tuesday, Israel announced that two more members of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) had been killed, taking the number of soldiers killed in fighting to 27. Two civilians have also died.

    Monday’s attacks across Gaza killed at least 56 people including 16 children, Gazan health officials said, with the Palestinian death toll now at more than 560.’

    Gaza conflict: Diplomats push for ceasefire

  72. Fool

    On flechettes. A pretty name for an evil little weapon.


    Israel-Gaza conflict: Deadly flechette shells ‘used by Israeli military in Gaza Strip’ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-israeli-military-using-flechette-rounds-in-gaza-strip-9617480.html


  73. http://www.theguardian.com/graphic/0,,2274464,00.html Repeating as broken link above.

  74. Sorry it won’t copy.

    Click on the link at the bottom of the Wikipedia page.

    External links
    How flechettes work The Guardian newspaper.

  75. Radio 4s PM (I only have radio) had a former American ambassadeur on yesterday – which is typical of the sort of expert they consult. A westerner. Someone steeped in the Hamas as terrorists narrative, rather than as resistance movement. In his case a long-time member of the establishment in Israel’s most supportive country. Presented as some kind of impartial expert… telling us without challenge… how Hamas are the problem….

  76. BBC Gaza

    July 21, 2014
    By Jonathon Shafi

    ‘This is more than disgraceful. And it is not bias. It is a lie, plain and simple. It is misinformation of the worst sort, and it is an insult to journalism. It is an insult to the communities who pooled their resources to organise the demonstration. It is an insult to every single person who attended the demonstration. Yet it is worse than an insult. It is politically calculated. It is a deliberate and it cannot be anything else. The only other possibility is that the level of journalism is now so low within the BBC that even elementary principles of reportage are not being met.

    But that would be letting them off lightly. In truth, the BBC are tail spinning into decline for a reason: they are closing ranks with an establishment in crisis. We have a chance to expel that establishment in September. And after that the opportunity to replace the BBC with a public broadcaster, worthy of the people it is meant to inform.’

  77. Anas Sarwar – Never rebels. Zero votes out of 692. A strong signature of a career crawler… no disagreement with the leadership on anything…


  78. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    22 Jul, 2014 - 9:29 am

    turbolol, Baal? you had me in stitches. I can’t bear of thinking of the chance Crick had that moment…..

  79. Ba’al Zevul That article you linked to on Blair and Gaza

    “Hamas regime has never had much time for Blair. They’ve always been suspicious of his close ties and backing for Israel. ”

    Total inversion of what’s going on. Blair won’t talk to Hamas because the Israelis tell him not to. He’ll give the IRA comfort letters… but he won’t talk to Hamas. Even though he’s the supposed peace envoy (despite being one of the region’s chief warmongers). You would think talking to Hamas would be an essential part of that… but no…

  80. Ellman referred to ‘terrrrr tunnels’ in yesterday’s HoC session. She did a BOGOF by doubling up. Clever ploy by Agent Cameron to conflate Ukraine and Gaza. He is not as stupid as he looks.

    Mrs Louise Ellman (Liverpool, Riverside) (Lab/Co-op): Does the outrage in Ukraine call for a speedy review of the international rules on the safety of flying over conflict zones? Does the much-needed call for a ceasefire in Gaza include a call for the end of Hamas’s terror tunnels and does the Prime Minister agree that they, too, are a war crime?

    The Prime Minister: I strongly agree with what the hon. Lady has just said about Hamas, as I mentioned a few moments ago. In terms of the rules governing which airline should fly on which routes, I have asked the Secretary of State for Transport to consider the issue carefully. Eurocontrol is the organisation that sets out the parameters for European flights and obviously airlines themselves have to choose whether to continue with those flights. We are going to look very carefully at whether more needs to be done in this area.

    The phrase has now been taken up by BiBiC.

    Gaza ‘terror tunnels’ – in 60 secs Watch01:00 Video

    Middle East crisis: Israel releases ‘Gaza tunnel footage’
    21 July 2014

    Israel sent ground troops into Gaza on Thursday, saying the ground operation is necessary to target Hamas’ network of tunnels.

    It has stated the tunnels pose a threat of terrorist attacks against the Israeli population.

    Israel said it had killed more than 170 militants since Thursday night, when it launched the offensive.

    Air strikes are also continuing, with the Palestinian death toll reportedly nearing 600, the majority of them civilians.

    The BBC looks at Israel Defense Forces footage from the operation.

  81. The UK and America’s interest in Israel’s existance is money loundering.
    Israel sends money to the election campaigns of politicions. These Politicions send money and business deals to Israel. And the circle goes round and round.

  82. Mary,

    I am confused by your attack on the ‘ZBC’ and John Simpson. If the news report had only shown the Israeli perspective then I would agree with your criticism. However, due to the fact you follow up those comments by praising Lyce Doucet’s piece from Gaza it sounds as though the BBC have got the balance right. I know you don’t have any consideration for the Israeli’s but there are two sides to every story. It is also relevant to consider and report on the rocket attacks when they are used as justification to bomb and shell Gaza.

    And before the usual smears are posted, I am not defending Israel or the great ‘Zionist conspiracy’ by asking a question of Mary.

  83. which website give honest information?

  84. No sign of Bibi accepting any words of Ban Ki Moon. He is sounding off now as the two stand alongside in Tel Aviv. Bibi was looking daggers.

  85. Israel Lobby Tries (and fails) to Intimidate Another UK MP
    By Stuart Littlewood on July 16, 2013

    Here we go again.

    On 8 July British MP ‘Battling’ Bob Russell was speaking during a House of Commons debate on the national curriculum in schools.


  86. The UK arms trade.

    How Britain profits from the attack on Gaza
    By Ian Dunt Tuesday, 22 July 2014

    A Palestinian boy sits on the rubble of a destroyed building following an Israeli air strike earlier today. Air strikes killed at least seven people in Gaza, including five members of the same family, an emergency services spokesman said. members of the same family, an emergency services spokesman said. 

    The video emerged on Monday. It appears to show a man searching for his family amid the rubble of Gaza, apparently during a ceasefire. He is shot by a sniper. For a while he lies there, moving awkwardly. Then he is shot again.


  87. The political history of Gaza. The Israeli cruelty and oppression is in the collective memory of the Palestinians who have survived.

    Gaza’s Resistance Will Not be Crushed
    by Ramzy Baroud / July 22nd, 2014

    On the 13th day of Israel’s so-called Operation Protective Edge, stories of entire families collectively pulverized, women and children keenly targeted by Israeli soldiers, saturate the media.


  88. In our thousands, in our millions, we are all Palestinians!

    Gaza. Gaza. Don’t you cry, we will never let you die!

    From the river to the sea, Palestine WILL be free!

  89. The Zionist troughers/supporters in the HoC are after David Ward again.



    (So important and apart from any real news from Gaza, the BBC have that above under ‘breaking news’)

    Cleggover admonishes him. More corrective treatment is called for.

    The chairman of the Cons, Grant Shapps, the one whose youth was spent in the B’nai B’rith movement and who used the alias Michael Green to run a business, joins in.

    Are they not a vile bunch?

    Stuart Littlewood’s previous articles about the persecution of David Ward by his partei.



  90. Absolutely nothing on Shapps’ Twitter about the war crimes of his motherland.


    and nothing on that of the political puff of air Clegg about Gaza or the entity known as Israel…cooking, what he’s wearing and pics from the GIRL summit.


    Abandon hope anyone who thought we had political parties or leaders.

  91. Q. Has the BBC’s Quentin Sommerville spoken to a relative of a Palestinian killed by an Israeli?
    A. Probably not.

    ‘Quentin Somerville met one relative of a soldier killed in Israel’. Video 2mins19secs

    23 July 2014
    Palestinian PM says lift Gaza ‘siege’ as part of ceasefire

    PS Five uses of the word ‘militant’ referring to Palestinians in that report. Israel has ‘soldiers’.

    ‘The IDF also says it has killed at least 170 militants. Israel says 28 of its soldiers and two Israeli civilians have died over the past two weeks.’

    ‘More than 630 Palestinians and 30 Israelis have been killed in the past 15 days of fighting, officials say.’

  92. Thanks Mary for links re flechettes.

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