Gaza Invasion

by craig on July 17, 2014 8:46 pm in Uncategorized

CNN just announced that Israeli is launching a ground invasion “after ten days of Hamas attacks by land air and sea.” There was no questioning of that quite incredible statement. Talk about the big lie.

In a strange way I prefer this to the continued aerial bombardment, because at least the Palestinians will be able to fight back to some extent. I do hope the Palestinian defenders have a good deal of success against the Israeli tanks. Let us hope the IDF get a bloody nose like they did in Lebanon 2006.


The heroic Israelis have killed a five month old baby with a tank. Hope they are very proud of themselves.

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  1. Think evening the score with the mad Israelis is short-sighted.

    This could turn out to be a devastating, long conflict

  2. Your post is like waving your arms.

    How can we stop this and help??

  3. Let’s hope the two sides can arrive at a peaceful solution so that no more lives are lost.

  4. Aidworker1

    I am afraid there is nothing we can do. The US openly and the UK tacitly will protect Israel in the UN and all international organisations for as long as Israel wants to continue killing people. The only thing that might halt Israel is effective resistance on the ground. They are too used to being able to kill thousands of Palestinians with no casualties themselves.

  5. The Middle East peace envoy will be in London on Monday morning to answer questions about the latest developments:

    Philip Gould Lecture
    11am, Monday 21 July 2014 | Central London location
    Keynote: Tony Blair Former prime minister

    To mark the 20th anniversary of Tony Blair’s election as leader of the Labour party, we are delighted to be able to announce a very special event open only to Progress members. On Monday 21 July, former prime minister Tony Blair will give the inaugural Philip Gould annual lecture from at a central London location.

    Places for this event are extremely limited and will be £15 per person (early bird rate is £10).

    There will also be a special reception with our speaker after the event open to Progress 100 Club members. Admission to both events is included in 100 Club membership, £120 per annum. The 100 Club has been set up to allow members to help support and expand Progress’ work further by allowing us to reach out to more people. As well as supporting Progress, the ‘100 Club’ offers members the chance to attend other exclusive events with Progress supporters, staff, speakers and MPs, as well as priority booking at other special occasions. You can join the 100 Club online, or contact the office on 020 3435 6490 to upgrade your membership. Places are limited to the first 40 new 100 Club members to join.

    Please note, the venue will be announced 24 hours in advance.

    Government-issued photographic ID must be brought with your ticket. This event is open to Progress members only and you must buy a ticket in advance to gain admittance. Entry is conditional on being prepared to be searched. The bringing of bags is discouraged.

  6. Interesting this offensive has started so soon after the crashed airliner.

  7. Aidworker1.

    Contribute to humanitarian charities, join the boycott of Israeli products, and contradict Israel’s propoganda and lies when you hear them.

    And possibly join a political party. Western establishments are very much in the pockets of the Israeli lobby. That’s not just because of their activity but because of the inactivity of those who might oppose them.

    In the UK the Conservatives have about 170,000 members, Labour 190,000, Libdems 43,000. There are 2.4 million Muslims in the UK (whom I’m not one BTW) – if they started becoming politically active, in the way the Zionist lobby is, then they could put an end to 80% of Tory MPs being in Conservative Friends of Israel.

  8. ‘This could turn out to be a devastating, long conflict’

    Understatement of the century.

    It’s been ongoing since 1948.

  9. Only two things are certain, a lot more people on both sides will die needlessly and it won’t improve the situation one iota.

    Very sad that somebody should wish death onto young men who, as with all wars, aren’t really the ones most responsible.

  10. In case you don’t know (I didn’t), Progress was formed in 1995 and members are a who’s who of Blairites:

  11. peaceful youth peacefully looking around to only lynch some Arabs

    The notion of even one zionist mercenary death is far too heavy and as the good rabbi puts it, one million Arabs ought to be avenged for a Jewish finger nail!

    Wait and see if the Palestinian fighters can hand the butts of the zionist mercenaries back to them on a platter.

    This is the most one sided war in the history of warfare, the siege of Gaza is akin to no place on Earth and in the history of Earth. Gaza has been under siege for so long by a mendacious enemy. History shall not look back kindly at those who made this possible.

  12. Brother Nathanael is onto them:

  13. “after ten days of Hamas attacks by land air and sea.”

    As far as I know, that is word for word from Netanyahu’s office. Lisa Holland on Sky News read out the full statement from his office when Sky reported the start of ground invasion. When I heard those words, I was almost-stunned. (It takes a lot to stun me these days.)

  14. There was a good turnout tonight at the Council House in Birmingham, in fact too many to accommodate so the room was paid for for nothing. But it was hot and we went outside. A young man from Gaza who now lives in Birmingham made an impassioned speech, unable to comprehend the genocide against his people. When he spoke to his father on the telephone his father was happy. He asked how he could be so happy when all around was danger. His father said he was happy because he had one son safe in England. The discriminate bombing of selected homes with a warning missile giving families at most three minutes to get out was killing people with the warning missiles. Israel is testing its latest weapons on Palestinians to sell abroad, said the young Palestinian.


    17 Jul, 2014 - 10:34 pm

    The Greenwald piece was interesting. The NBC Egyptian/American reporter who witnessed Israeilis attacking Palestinian children on the beach in Gaza will be lost in the fog of Israel’s continuation of genocide, and the super-righteous invasion.


    17 Jul, 2014 - 10:36 pm

    This blog has become a ghost town. Where is everyone?

  17. I think that the eruption of violence cannot be stopped for the following reasons:-
    1. Around 1947 and 1948 some 700,000 Palestinians were expelled and their land was occupied in a colonial conquest.
    2. There has been no real effort from the Israel side ( despite International Law’s acceptance of an Israeli right to land up to the 1967 border).
    3. A Zionist philosophy assumes that God gave them the land, so illegal settlements and a system that is Bantustan and Apartheid has not the least meaning for the Zionists.
    4. There is a process of racism in operation:-

    i) How can one ethnic/religious group dominate representative politics in Israel when some 20% plus are non-Jews?
    ii) Is there not in Israel a process of racism pervading every aspect of society, including the economy, land distribution, urban planning, security and politics?

  18. ii) Is there not in Israel a process of racism pervading every aspect of society, including the economy, land distribution, urban planning, security and politics?

    Yes! There exists a process of pervading racism in every aspect of the zionists society that is successfully getting exported to the rest of the world too. The world pays with goods and services and the zionists in return pay back through the export of their congenial hatred, bigotry and prejudice to the rest of the world.

  19. BBC Ten O’clock News 14 mins in

    Lyse Doucet has been reporting factually live from Gaza and unusually for the BBC it is not the usual ‘Israel says’ stuff.

  20. The Sky News report timed at 1.25am

    Israel Launches Ground Offensive In Gaza

    The operation’s objective is to strike “a significant blow to Hamas’ terror infrastructure”, the Israeli army says.

  21. The two sides have fought wars before. How did they end?

    Palestinians run during an Israeli strike at a UN school in Beit Lahya, northern Gaza, on 17 January 2009


    Gaza’s civilian infrastructure was damaged extensively during Israel’s ground offensive in 2009.

    Israel launched a ground offensive in December 2008 dubbed Operation Cast Lead in response to rocket fire. It ended when Israel declared a unilateral ceasefire 22 days later, saying its goals were “more than fully achieved”.

    An estimated 1,300 Palestinians had been killed, many of them civilians. Thirteen Israelis also died, including four soldiers in a “friendly fire” incident. Gaza’s civilian infrastructure was damaged extensively.

    Four years later, Israel launched Operation Pillar of Defence, again with the stated goal of stopping rocket fire and crippling Hamas’s capability to launch attacks. Eight days into the operation, Egypt brokered a ceasefire agreement that included a promise from both sides to stop attacks. At least 167 Palestinians and six Israelis were killed.

    Gaza-Israel conflict: Why are civilians on the front lines?

    As you can see, the photo shows white phosphorus raining down on a UN schoolyard during Cast Lead. Note that there is NO mention in the caption of that being used, illegally as it happens.

  22. BrianFujisan

    18 Jul, 2014 - 2:52 am

    Hullo Ben…one or Two of your Ghosts.

    i can’t get over what they ( israel ) are allowed to get away with – Bombing Hospitals, targeting Children at Play… Just days after the World cup ends..Four wee Footballers dead…Sorry Murdered

    And the Hate of those spectating –

    And teach them very young to hate…Young kids writing messages on Missiles in Israel. i can barely comprehend this Sordid activity…

    And as this Piece asks…

    Not only are the Israeli state and its ruthless methods here to stay they could also be, very frighteningly, a prototype of our collective global future.

    Watching the unbelievable destruction wrought by the Israelis in Gaza a simple question very high on many minds must be “How in hell does this artificially concocted child of European guilt and American ambition get away with all this again and again and again?”’

    The answer is that instead of being a strange historical aberration Israel may well be a model state that global elites want to establish to control the world in the days to come.

    A world where the ruling classes live off the stolen resources and labour of those they contemptuously deem as lesser human beings in a system of institutionalized apartheid.

    A world where the forces of the militarized State can routinely shoot anybody, even entire populations and call them ‘terrorists’ with complete impunity.

    A world where the process of nation building automatically involves smashing the sovereignty of every other nation reducing their people to a faceless, nameless, helpless mass.

    The question of why Israel’s brazen crimes against humanity have been tolerated by the so called international community is not new at all, being one asked from the very day this nation was violently forged nearly seven decades ago. The legacy of Zionist terrorism, the numerous pogroms against the Palestinians, the systematic usurpation of their land, the routine bombing of civilians, the murder of peace activists— any other fledgling nation even contemplating crimes on this scale would have been ostracized out of existence by now.

    Full piece @

  23. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 8:18 am

    Not quite at the target of 300 dead Palestinians required to satisfy Israeli public opinion. The ground invasion is necessary to achieve this. Please don’t call it the Jewish Jihad.

    Yes, the Malaysian airliner made it a good day to bury bad news. (and, pace the last thread, a good day to compare the instant indignation at this, in all media, with the grudging reportage of the constant, wholly intentional murder and maiming going on in Gaza)

    Other than that, what’s to say? We’ve seen it all before, four times.

    Blair flew back to the UK yesterday, having done the groundwork for the Israelis by colluding in an unacceptable and failed truce proposal. Interesting that the UN, without his help, managed to get a temporary ceasefire yesterday.

    Trivium: I’m going to have to buy a new razor,as the current one’s blades are made in Israel. And check everything else I buy very carefully. So be it.

  24. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 8:22 am

    And thanks for the Sagar link, Brian. You can’t help wondering, can you?

  25. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 8:49 am

    Just an aside here. The media are happy to supply the numbers (variously calculated/estimated) of dead in Gaza. Not so prominent are the numbers of wounded. Credible recent estimate: 1685. Of which we can take it that perhaps 20% will be permanently and badly disabled, and/or in pain, and a further drag on the nonexistent resources of the shot-to-pieces Gaza health structure.

    I am sure this figures, too, in the Israelis’ long term strategic planning.

  26. CNN forced to film Israelis cheer Gaza strike
    18 July 2014

    Here is CNN’s Diana Magney put in a very uncomfortable position indeed for a mainstream reporter. She has to acknowledge the delight a large crowd of Israelis on a hilltop near Sderot are taking in watching missiles hurtling into Gaza. As they cheer in the background of her video report as a missile explodes (see link to CNN below), she has to explain what the noise is.

    Notice too how the cameraman avoids panning across to show the celebrating Israelis, despite Magney assuming that we can see them. Can you imagine CNN not leaping at the chance to film Palestinians cheering Israeli deaths? No, neither can I.

    This is a narrative the media like to play up in the case of Palestinians, but not when it refers to Israelis.

    That may in part also explain her angry tweet against the crowd on the hill, calling them “scum” after they made threats if she did not say nice things about Israel. The tweet, of course, was quickly deleted – presumably after her minders at CNN intervened.

    It is a revealing moment, showing the difference between the carefully choreographed, pantomime-like “reality” we are supposed to be shown, and the far more complex and ugly reality on the ground.

    (h/t Padraig McShane)

  27. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 9:13 am

    PLEASE don’t call it the Jewish Jihad…

    Fundamentalist rabbis literally in step with the IDF. See it.

  28. Signatures on this petition are going through at a rate of knots. The aim is to get large investment conglomerates and banks to stop investing in Israel. As a colleague pointed out that had a big effect on bringing apartheid to an end in South Africa. Please sign.

  29. Ali Abunimah last night on BBC World.

    ‘I would strongly recommend that the BBC do some journalism’. !!

    He is very good with the media and has his facts.

  30. Thanks John. From the petition website,

    ‘To many, particularly in Europe and North America, calling for companies to withdraw investments from financing or taking part in Israel’s occupation of Palestine sounds completely biased. But it’s not — this is the most potent non-violent strategy to end the ritual violence, ensure Israelis’ security and achieve Palestinian freedom. Israel’s power and wealth dwarfs Palestine, and if it refuses to end its illegal occupation, the world must act to make the cost unbearable.

    Dutch pension fund, ABP, invests in Israeli banks that help fund the colonisation of Palestine. Massive banks like Barclays invest in suppliers of Israeli arms and other occupation businesses. British G4S provides extensive security equipment used by the Israeli Defence Force in the occupation. France’s Veolia operates transport for Israeli settlers illegally living on Palestinian lands. Computer giant Hewlett-Packard supplies sophisticated surveillance to control the movement of Palestinians. And Caterpillar provides bulldozers that are used to demolish Palestinian homes and farms.’

  31. Determined and relentless. Have you noticed that the propaganda message has now been switched from ‘rockets’ to ‘terrrrrr tunnels into Israel’?

    Breaking news 18 July 2014
    Israel may widen Gaza offensive –
    Israel prepared to significantly widen ground offensive in Gaza, PM Netanyahu says

    More to follow.

  32. When the IDF infantry go in, then it will become as close to a air fight as it will ever get.
    Their special forces already got a bloody nose with their commando attack from the sea. I hope that this trend continues.
    The world has protested against Israel’s crimes, but the worlds media has hushed that up.
    Those that write history will always cast themselves as the great and the good.
    Thank god that there is an alternative.
    The evil is all interconnected and money is at the root of it all.Israel is propped up by money printed from thin air.Who owns the media and the banks and our Government.Who runs the US ? It will take a revolution to change any of it.
    Blessed are the cheesemakers !

  33. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 11:11 am

    The petition link you supplied, JG –

    seems to be clicking away nicely. Over 170,000 signatures for divestment from Israel by major finance institutions.

    South African signers are prominent, I see. They know better than most what apartheid means.

  34. This is the new spokesperson for the IDF war criminals Peter Lerner, born here and ex resident of the UK until he made aliyah.

    Note how many international outfits have given Lerner houseroom.

    Replacing that motormouth Avital who has moved on to other things. Perhaps she could not stomach her role as mouthpiece for the murderers any longer.

    Note how many international outfits have given Lerner houseroom.

    There is a special unit for the stuff.'s_Unit How very thorough they are. So like the Nazis/Stasi.

  35. “The Great Goddess, to whom the land of Palestine originally belonged, is always tripping them up and seducing them into folly. Belili, hear earliest name, they spell Belial, meaning Utter Destruction.”

    Robert Graves in King Jesus (1946)

  36. Ba’al can’t hear me (what a shame!) but the petition is addressed not only to financial institutions but to the likes of Caterpillar, Veolia, HP and G4S.

  37. Thanks to Craig and to all for info and updates on these war crimes. Nothing to see, move along now, in MSM. Comments? Not a snowflake in hell’s chance.

  38. Hmm … strange … I read about someone hoping for Israelis death, almost as if making that kind of death acceptable, while the death of Palestinians if presented – and, of course, it is – as a tragedy.

    Would anyone please be so kind as to explain me how many Israelis have to die in order to have the same value as one Palestinian death, in the eyes of the author ?

    Weren’t some Israeli teenagers abducted and killed, not too long ago ?
    Who killed them ? I don’t recall of any post about that from Mr Craig Murray, here.

  39. “The heroic Israelis have killed a five month old baby with a tank. Hope they are very proud of themselves”

    They are.
    They always are,
    When you have a serving Israeli Parlimentarian saying Arab women should be killed because they will give birth to snakes.
    What do you think Israel cares about the death of a “snake”?

  40. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 12:18 pm

    Would anyone please be so kind as to explain me how many Israelis have to die in order to have the same value as one Palestinian death, in the eyes of the author ?

    Approximately 0.01, going by figures generated since the Intifada, and assuming the books are currently balanced. At least, that seems to be the IDF’s assumption.

    Glad to be of assistance.

  41. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 12:20 pm

    Actually, we seem to be a little short at only 240 or so Pals for three settler teenagers. But I’m sure the difference will be made up somehow.

  42. John Goss I am told (having eagerly subscribed to Avaaz some years back) that this petition site is funded by George Soros.

    Not in a position to verify, sadly.

    Sadder still, sickening/excruciating there just are no words to describe

    the plight of Palestinians in Gaza.

    Unbelievable and unconscionable,
    as now

    two Malaysian 777’s ex-Amsterdam have met their demise

    Also, I signed the petition to Ban-Ki-Moon to have Bliar removed as envoy to ME.

    Somehow, it is obvious to me that the Masters of the UNiverse are the final arbiters for the interests of the NWO

    as BRICS faces off with the dying/dead ‘western emperors’.

  43. Blimey:
    We shouldn’t be embarrassed about wanting to see a murderous invasion repelled, and I for one am not. The cheering Sderot residents don’t appear to have been mentioned in your post.
    Two Israelis have died during this conflict, one soldier today and another one taking food to soldiers at a checkpoint a day or so ago. They called him a civilian but feeding an army is a military support role.
    If only Israel had such a good record of avoiding civilian casualties.

  44. Twp

    Robert Graves, whom I met, romanticised Europe’s religion of Romantic Love i.e. putting faith in finding the ideal woman, with descriptions of mediterranean landscape, mythology and romantic poetry.

    His research and his poetry therefore made him a High Priest of Falsehood. Two world wars were fought entirely for economic/political gain with the false slogans of Romantic Love/Freedom on the one side and Brutality/Control on the other.

    A totally false dichotomy. We are being served the same rubbish to this day, and we were served the same rubbish before. The Powers that be hate the moral factor of the religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam. They don’t want the Criterion of Right / Wrong to exist.

    So they create Calvinism, a black-clothed, indiscriminately murderous ( one of my Kurdish family have just been killed by Daish in Kirkuk ) extremism which all intelligent, moral human beings will find abhorrent, in the hope that people will be blown back on the re-bound into Romanticism )( Totalitarianism.

    Islam is a religion of recognising the Creator and worshipping Him, establishing the moral laws of Right / Wrong. Nothing could be further from Islam than the many manifestations of Zionist neo-Calvinism.

  45. Those French are at the vanguard of the wave of suppression All in good taste of course!

    There were false claims made last week that synagogues in Paris had been targeted by pro-Palestinian demonstrators.

    In fact videos showed armed vigilantes from a group called the Jewish Defence League (LDJ) baiting demonstrators into fights.

    However an earlier DM article was;

    Paris bans pro-Palestinian protest amid tensions

    “The Jewish population is worried because they are finding themselves cornered on the one hand by the right, the extreme right, which is gaining electoral support, and is still anti-Semitic in its ideology and in its ranks, and on the other hand, by pro-Palestinian forces, by the extreme left, by disaffected youth from suburban housing projects, and by the Muslim population in general,” renowned Nazi hunter Serge Klarsfeld said Wednesday at a memorial service in remembrance of Jews deported during World War II.

    “History tells us that when there is an anti-Jewish movement we cannot control, the best thing to do is to move to another country,” he said.

    Meanwhile even in the small towns and villages the solidarity with the Palestinians is manifest judging by the numbers of people marching and demonstrating to show their disgust at the inhuman and barbaric behaviour of the land stealing genocidal zionist mad dogs.

    However given the frequency of the Cobra meetings will the prime minster call a Cobra meeting, for an emergency in our street; there is five year old girl who has grazed her keen after tripping and falling on the pavement, and I hear Mrs. Wiggins car tyre is punctured!

    These Cobra meetings are getting more and more regular for even the tiniest of the reasons, is there an attendance allowance issue?

  46. Babushka, you said it right, with the wisdom of one with the experience of life. This explains just what it is about but I suspect it will not be long before the trolls dub me anti-Israeli. The Zionists control everything. “But people are sarting to learn.”

  47. “But people are starting to learn.”

  48. A great revelation from Rabbi Michael Lerner.

    “Hamas is “objectively even if not subjectively” the best friend of the Israeli settlers, right-wing Israeli extremists, and the Netanyahu government.“

  49. Ba’al Zevul (With Gaza) 18 Jul, 2014 – 11:11 am

    I’m pleased to see the petition going so well. I think it was around 150,000 when I signed. Keep it going all you who want justice for the Palestinians and others living in Gaza.

  50. @Passerby

    The JTA, Tablet magazine and the rest of Israel hasbara media has claimed that hatred toward Jews is on the rise thanks to seven million French Muslims who don’t even have a single member in French parliament. The Jewish Agency for Israel, which is dedicated to bringing European Jews to settle on Arab lands in Israel and the west Bank, has announced that it expects over 5,000 French Jews to immigrate to Israel by the end of this year.

  51. Craig – about Israel’s “bloody nose” in 2006 Israel-Hizbullah War – I recommend Alastair Crooke report published at Asia Times on October 13, 2006.

  52. IDF, the worlds greatest ‘Moral’ Army.

    Can we refer to the area in question as intelligent people should refer to it? the area in question is Palestine?

    Who has the right to give anyone else’s land to another group of people?

    Have the Palestinians been shelling their own land, as defined as theirs, under international law and stolen by Israel?

  53. So without further addo, may I present a ‘self’ hating Jew. Of course, had it been a non Jew giving the presentation, they would have been called out for being anti-Semitic.

  54. As of this time petition is at 191,600 signatures.

  55. Mustn’t have anyone seeing what dirty deeds are being committed.

    ‘Gaza-Israel conflict: Journalists evacuated from Gaza hotel18 July 2014 Last updated at 00:22 BST

    International journalists joined Gaza residents in an evacuation after Israeli military warned that its offensive was poised to enter the area.

    The BBC’s Lyce Doucet said that before the message was given she heard shell and rocket fire from Israeli and Hamas forces.’

  56. “As of this time petition is at 191,600 signatures.” Would that be this petition Porkfright?

  57. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 2:44 pm

    The Middle East peace envoy will be in London on Monday morning to answer questions about the latest developments:

    Thanks, but I believe ‘Arrest Blair’ got there first…

    Persons wishing to bathe in Mr. Tony’s magical aura should always consult that site.

  58. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 2:54 pm

    Repeated shelling of al-Wafa hospital continues:


    18 Jul, 2014 - 2:54 pm

    Cheers, Brian. The NBC reporter pulled after the Egyptian/American was caught telling the story keeps journalism in Gaza ‘balanced and fair’.

  60. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 2:57 pm


    18 Jul, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    Relish the thought of Blair having to take refuge in the Saudi Embassy for a few years, Ba’al. :)

  62. Sorry, John-yes. Still going very strong. What times we live in.

  63. technicolour

    18 Jul, 2014 - 3:21 pm

    Sinn Féin’s four MEPs – with other members of the GUE/NGL group – standing in solidarity with the people of Gaza in the EU Parliament in Strasbourg

    Martina Anderson, MEP for the Six Counties, said:

    “Gaza is once again at crisis point, and millions worldwide are protesting in solidarity with the people of Gaza amid this appalling carnage.

    “The Joint resolution by the EU Parliament on the situation in Gaza is an awful attempt to neutralise the onslaught to avoid criticising Israel and it ignores the causes of the conflict. This EPP and S&D cosy consensus is disgraceful.

    “The UN must recognise that Israeli actions have violated international law. For too long the UN and the wider international community has watched the blockade of Gaza; watched an apartheid wall being built; watched as road blocks were erected and segregated buses introduced.

    “We have witnessed Israel demolishing thousands of Palestinian homes and force thousands of families from their land to build Israeli settlements. All of this is in violation of the 1993 Oslo Accord.”

  64. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 3:23 pm

    Relish the thought of Blair having to take refuge in the Saudi Embassy for a few years, Ba’al. :)

    I relish it. But it does not delight me. Delight would involve sharp instruments and a long time.

  65. Just a reminder to anyone who wants to avoid buying products that are made in Israel: The bar code will start with 729 even if it is not clear from other info on the packaging where the product originates.

  66. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 4:04 pm

    Here’s Cherie, for a change, last December, in Saudi, offering her thoughts on pirated designer handbags. At the

    Arab-British Chamber of Commerce International Intellectual Property Conference “Combating Transnational Intellectual Property Crime”, no less.

    Transnational Physical Property Crime isn’t on the radar, apparently:

    (Dec 13th.)

  67. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 4:06 pm

    Thanks, Matt. I’ll take care to leave the discards (eg an orange) in some other shelf or stack (eg condoms), too.

  68. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    18 Jul, 2014 - 4:20 pm

    Blair’s latest sidie – more details:

    I was pretty sure he was cosying up to BP earlier this year. He is.

    Q. What possible advice can this irredeemable scrote give to anyone on anything? Let alone get paid for it?

  69. How fucking noble of CNN not to show the faces of those retards cheering someone else dying. I bet they would be happy to film those vermin, the Palestinians if the boot was on the other foot.

    I’m guessing the cheering is from mentally retarded atheists, because good old fashioned Jewish/Israeli people, people of God, wouldn’t cheer at at the prospect of others being murdered……

    What a fucking disgusting area? on both sides.

    Oh and who exactly is paying for B’Liar, the Peace Envoy?

  70. ” Just a reminder to anyone who wants to avoid buying products that are made in Israel: The bar code will start with 729 ”

    Christ on a bike not that old one again.

    It’s only the BARCODE that originated in Israel NOT the product.

  71. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    18 Jul, 2014 - 5:12 pm

    “The only thing that might halt Israel is effective resistance on the ground. They are too used to being able to kill thousands of Palestinians with no casualties themselves.”

    Agree, so who will start the fundraising and training of some resistance fighters?
    Who will disinvest first from all those countries supporting Israel, those who arm it? and thereby harm Israels future prospects of survival, subsumed by eternal violence.

    Only when they sit down at the table and accept that Palestine is a country for all its people, not just immigrant Jews, but also indigenour Palestinians.

    So who will roll the first rubel to launch this ‘effective resistance’?


    18 Jul, 2014 - 5:20 pm

    A potential candidate for POTUS runs when asked about Gaza.

  73. Avaaz petition is now at 207,359

  74. If you have not already, you need to watch this.

    Legal analysis of how Israel changes the status of civilians to combatants or ‘voluntary human shields’ and their deaths to ‘collateral damage’ to justify air strikes on homes. Forensic analysis of the ‘Knock on the Roof’ tactic.

    Chilling. So the most moral army in the world have two hurdles for their defence. If the occupants stay in the house after the ballasted ’round’ penetrates the roof, they are designated ‘human shields’. I think of that boy with his dad in Rafah – pinned against a house and both shot like rats.

  75. An anecdote.

    Jabah Wisha a deputy in PCHR was in a prison of the Zionist entity for 15 years. He is one of those 600,000 who have been through the cruel prisons of a people who tell us endlessly about their own imprisonment. When he kissed his youngest daughter good bye he smelled her hair. He said that smell lasted in his mind in all those years in prison. I have no words for these Israelis but speak of the British part in their Occupation of the Palestinian people’s land and homes.

  76. “Christ. Just. Christ.”

    Yes, Twitter doesn’t spare people when it comes to photos and details.

    This 5 hours ago from Peter Beaumont, Jerusalem correspondent of the Guardian and the Observer:

    “I’ve seen some truly shocking scenes this morning. A man putting the remains of his two year old son into a shopping bag…”

  77. The Zionist are racist scum the American neocons are fascist bastards the british media are complicit in war crimes. The destruction of the Malay airlines is a nasty thing but all hand wringing and false melodrama just shows how the west deflect any criticism away from the real murder and slaughter Whitch the Palestinians have been suffering for decades . American navy shot down an Iranian airliner the captain was treated as a hero the Ukraine shot down a russian airliner but at the time no great deal was made of it. the bbc news is nothing but go state functioning propogander machine which we who pay the licence must contribute,Maybe one day the so called great british public will wake up .and see what a filthy and corrupt system we live under.

  78. On the other hand, #TerroristsIsrael has been trending almost all day.

    That says something.

  79. Philip Giraldi [ex-CIA] – Is Israel a U.S. ally?

  80. That should be ‘Is America Israel’s Puppet’?

  81. That should be ‘Is America Israel’s Puppet’

    It is a lot more cheaper for mad zionists to buy a few politicos who will sell their grandmother for peanuts, along with a couple of news organisations. Then they don’t have to pay the going rate for the land they steal and they can get away with the mass murder to boot, whilst everyone is sitting around and watching the smoke filled skies of Gaza, much for the delight rabid zionist population of the zionistan.

  82. Token discussion by some mortal British MP’s who have saved, even treasured some sense of empathy, kindness and mercy:


    18 Jul, 2014 - 8:15 pm

    Butcher’s bill currently 260 dead Palestinians. It’s approaching the number of victims on MH17, but which death countdown is prevailing?

  84. God bless this man. He is heroic. You can feel his anguish for the suffering.

    From: Mads Gilbert
    Date: Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 7:10 AM
    Subject: Gaza needs you!

    Dearest friends –
    The last night was extreme. The “ground invasion” of Gaza resulted in scores and carloads with maimed, torn apart, bleeding, shivering, dying – all sorts of injured Palestinians, all ages, all civilians, all innocent.

    The heroes in the ambulances and in all of Gaza’s hospitals are working 12-24hrs shifts, grey from fatigue and inhuman workloads (without payment all in Shifa for the last 4 months), they care, triage, try to understand the incomprehensible chaos of bodies, sizes, limbs, walking, not walking, breathing, not breathing, bleeding, not bleeding humans. HUMANS!

    Now, once more treated like animals by “the most moral army in the world” (sic!).

    My respect for the wounded is endless, in their contained determination in the midst of pain, agony and shock; my admiration for the staff and volunteers is endless, my closeness to the Palestinian “sumud” gives me strength, although in glimpses I just want to scream, hold someone tight, cry, smell the skin and hair of the warm child, covered in blood, protect ourselves in an endless embrace – but we cannot afford that, nor can they.

    Ashy grey faces – Oh NO! not one more load of tens of maimed and bleeding, we still have lakes of blood on the floor in the ER, piles of dripping, blood-soaked bandages to clear out – oh – the cleaners, everywhere, swiftly shovelling the blood and discarded tissues, hair, clothes, cannulas – the leftovers from death – all taken away…to be prepared again, to be repeated all over. More then 100 cases came to Shifa last 24 hrs. enough for a large well trained hospital with everything, but here – almost nothing: electricity, water, disposables, drugs, OR-tables, instruments, monitors – all rusted and as if taken from museums of yesterdays hospitals. But they do not complain, these heroes. They get on with it, like warriors, head on, enormous resolute.

    And as I write these words to you, alone, on a bed, my tears flows, the warm but useless tears of pain and grief, of anger and fear. This is not happening!

    And then, just now, the orchestra of the Israeli war-machine starts its gruesome symphony again, just now: salvos of artillery from the navy boats just down on the shores, the roaring F16, the sickening drones (Arabic ‘Zennanis’, the hummers), and the cluttering Apaches. So much made and paid in and by US.

    Mr.Obama – do you have a heart?

    I invite you – spend one night – just one night – with us in Shifa. Disguised as a cleaner, maybe.

    I am convinced, 100%, it would change history.

    Nobody with a heart AND power could ever walk away from a night in Shifa without being determined to end the slaughter of the Palestinian people.

    But the heartless and merciless have done their calculations and planned another “dahyia” onslaught on Gaza.

    The rivers of blood will keep running the coming night. I can hear they have tuned their instruments of death.

    Please. Do what you can. This, THIS cannot continue.

    Gaza, Occupied Palestine

    Numbers are enclosed (last page in the MOH-report in English. The pictures are mine, taken some few hours ago, in the early morning hours of Friday July 18th 2014). More to come. I’m sorry to bug you).

    Mads Gilbert MD PhD
    Professor and Clinical Head
    Clinic of Emergency Medicine
    University Hospital of North Norway
    N-9038 Tromsø, Norway
    Mobile: +4790878740

  85. Avaaz petition at 224,330. One of the fastest-moving I’ve ever seen.

    Worth watching: Glenn Greenwald on Democracy Now: Why Did NBC Pull Veteran Reporter After He Witnessed Israeli Killing of Gaza Kids?

    He talks about the fear in American media when the subject of Israel comes up. And the difference social media makes. People on the ground reporting direct to Twitter etc.

  86. BBC WORLD NEWS INTERVIEW WITH Ali Abunimah 18 Jul 2014

  87. “And the difference social media make” (not makes)

  88. Guano,

    We all have faults and Robert Graves certainly had some. The quote was from King Jesus, which is a difficult but interesting read. I happened to be reading it today and posted the curious words in it about Jews and Palestine. It was just a little something out of nowhere, a few words of support.

  89. Who is who of the rats knackers shameless bastards facilitating genocide and getting away with it;

    FDD’s founding Chairman was Jack Kemp, and its founding board members included Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick.

    FDD’s current Chairman is former CIA director R. James Woolsey.

    FDD’s distinguished advisors include Sen. Joe Lieberman, former National Security Advisor Robert “Bud” McFarlane, former FBI Director Louis J. Freeh, former State Department Under Secretary Paula Dobriansky, Gen. P.X. Kelley (ret.), Francis “Bing” West, Wall Street Journal columnist Bret Stephens, syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer, Weekly Standard Editor William Kristol, former CEO of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting Richard W. Carlson, and Forbes CEO Steve Forbes.

    Have set up yet another vipers nest, and pushing the neo conservative agenda.

    Clifford D. May: Sixty-six years later, too many Arabs still dream of slaughtering Israel’s Jews

    Julius Streicher would have to go back to school to learn from these propagandists;

    …. I’m impressed: I ask him what is required to achieve this dream. He disappoints me: He doesn’t say that Hamas needs to stop firing missiles at Israeli population centers. He doesn’t say that Hamas needs to delete from its charter its vows to “obliterate” Israel and kill all the Jews. He says nothing about Hamas’ insistence that there “is no solution for the Palestinian question except through jihad” and its unequivocal rejection of “so-called peaceful solutions.” Nor does he offer any criticism of “moderate” Fatah for joining with Hamas in a “unity government.”

    Instead, he asserts that the only way to resolve the conflict is for Israel to “end the occupation,” and shut down the “settlements.”

    When will this kind of facilitators of crimes against humanity stand trial in the ICC?

    Note the phtoshoped image In case anyone skipped the long farticle to take away the message!

  90. John Goss

    very funny this AVAAz organization. They claim to have about 37 million members but what are 99% of these wankers doing if they cannot lift their asses and stop wanking or sodomizing children that presumably prevents them from signing the petition “Israel-Palestine: This is how it ends”. Are these all zombies or hasbara clowns?

  91. This petition is adding currently more than 10,000 signatures per hour. But now it is mostly southern hemisphere. Please sign.

  92. Good point Karel. However it is moving fast. It has only been up for about two days tops.

  93. kempe, a sergeant of the local hasbara brigade

    although you claim that “It’s only the BARCODE that originated in Israel NOT the product.” I suggest to boycott your future contribution as your bar code undoubtedly starts with 729. Craig, have you not never heard of the BDS?

  94. John Goss,

    I admire your optimism. The No. of signatories after a two-day campaign is still bellow 1%. Cannot they stop wanking for at least one minute?

  95. Karel, I’m only pointing out the truth. Sorry if that upsets your adopted mindset but it doesn’t change anything. Boycott anything with a 729 barcode if you wish but you might still be buying stuff from Israel.

  96. BrianFujisan

    19 Jul, 2014 - 1:32 am


    Number on the Petition, is fast approaching – 250,000. at 1;35….about 50%

    Just SCREAM in helpless pain…

    I wont share the link for this one…. as a doctor holds in front of him…a dead Toddler….

    A horrific scene and very painful

    ( Translation in below )

    Doctor loses his temper when he is carrying a child was killed by Zionist warplanes which hit the civilian homes

    The Translation –

    (( Is there no dignity in you ???
    To the whole world
    To that who seen in these moments

    How long this slence will remain ??

    Every day, our kids is targeted
    What is the crime committed by this child ??
    What is the crime that he had done to killed in this way

    Is not the time is come to act ??
    Is there no hearts on you ?
    You do not have any a children ?
    You don`t have any women ?
    To the this world, which who seen
    Look Obama
    Look what are your millions which you sent killing our children
    Look ..O unjust unfair world
    Look Ban Ki-moon
    Look Abbas
    Look all world
    Is the time come to get out from your silence ?

    off to the National Gaza, Glasgow Demo tomorrow.

  97. BrianFujisan

    19 Jul, 2014 - 1:48 am

    Stop Bombing Gaza! Free Palestine! All Scotland Demonstration

    Saturday 19 July 1pm
    Buchanan Street
    Royal Concert Hall steps

    Scottish National Demonstration for Palestine to coincide with the national demonstration in London.

  98. Yes Ali Abunimah was brilliant in that BBC World interview.

    18 Jul, 2014 – 9:48 am
    Ali Abunimah last night on BBC World.

    ‘I would strongly recommend that the BBC do some journalism’. !!

    He is very good with the media and has his facts.

  99. I am sure that Netanyahu is going to take a lot of notice of Obomber.
    If Obomber withdrew the $3b annual handout from Israel, Bibi might sit up like a good dog.

    Obama gives Israel PM Gaza warning
    President Obama supports Israel’s right to self-defence, but warns PM Benjamin Netanyahu against further escalation in Gaza.

    The skies above Gaza are lit up by flares amid the continuation of Israel’s ground offensive – 19 July 2014

    Israeli tanks manoeuvre outside the northern Gaza Strip – 19 July 2014

    Gaza conflict: UN says number of displaced almost doubles

    The number of people in Gaza seeking sanctuary from the conflict with Israel nearly doubled on Friday, the UN says.

    Relief workers in Gaza said there were now more than 40,000 people being protected in 34 UN shelters.

    It comes after Israel sent troops and tanks into Gaza targeting Hamas militants who are firing rockets into southern Israel.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned of a “significant expansion” of the offensive.

    Hell brought to earth. The video on the link demonstrates the inequality.

    Mr Ailon from S Africa shelters in the basement of his pleasant house in case he is killed by a rocket. A small pockmark on the house wall is shown.

    The people is Gaza are shown hurrying to find a place of safety whilst the (American) tanks roll in and whole buildings and homes are being blown up.

  100. Hollande has banned protests supporting Palestine.

    France bans pro-Palestinian protests #GazaUnderAttack The French decision to ban pro-Palestine protests has sparked widespread outrage –

  101. An article by Ali Abunimah with photos.

    Israel Ends “Humanitarian Ceasefire” With New Massacre of Gaza Children
    July 18, 2014

  102. ‘An Outrage Of Unspeakable Proportions’

    — Barak Obama on the loss of flight MH17 over Ukraine. (298 dead.)

    ‘No nation should accept rockets fired into its borders,’

    — Barak Obama on the bombing of and incursion into Gaza.

    (307 dead, 2,260 wounded so far)

  103. A very good comparison Je. Thanks.

  104. I won’t link again my petition of early morning (19 Jul, 2014 – 12:15 am)but just say that signatures have reached 300,000 and now I see Russian and Ukrainian signatories too passing through.

  105. e-mail from Jabaliya refugee camp, copied in full. 17.7.2014

    Dear …….

    Thank you very much for your nice email, and prayers for Gaza and sorry for my delay in writing back to you. I miss you so much and you are always in my thoughts, and I hope to see you someday.

    What I witnessed and experienced during the current military offensive on Gaza is indescribable.

    The current Israeli military offensive on the Gaza Strip this month, code-named “Operation Protective Edge” by Israeli officials, is very close to my house. The operation claimed the lives of over 230 Palestinians and injured over 1690 in 10 days, most of them are civilians.

    The Israeli military attack on Gaza, where I live, entered its second week, and it’s getting worse day after day, and the death toll of civilians continues to rise.

    Palestine has no navy, no air force and no army. What’s happening in Gaza is not war, it’s genocide. In Gaza, we neither have shelters nor sirens, and there is nowhere safe. The Israeli warplanes have bombed, and continue to bomb homes, ministerial buildings, mosques, NGOs, banks and charities throughout the densely-populated Gaza Strip. Every day in Gaza is more painful and heart breaking than the past. Everyone here is terrorized and traumatized from the never-ending bombardments. What’s happening in Gaza is catastrophic beyond words and it is very hard to make sense of the current situation or make future predictions. The Israeli attacks on Gaza are escalating, and the Israeli military navy is shelling from the sea, the F-16 warplanes, Apache helicopters and drones from the sky, and the tanks from the ground .. where to hide?!

    Since the start of the Israeli offensive on Gaza, Israeli warplanes have been bombing and shelling several locations in the area near our house. With each bombardment, we felt our house shake like an earthquake and our windows break, not to mention our fear and horror. We don’t have electricity for more than 16 hours a day, but this is something we got used to, since, before the Israeli aggression, for nearly 5 years, we lived with only four to six hours of electricity a day, many times only having it after 3:00am.

    Our house comprises of three floors. I live with my parents downstairs, and my two married brothers live with their families in apartments upstairs. We have to leave windows open all day and night to prevent them from shattering from the bombardments. We have 13 young children at home, and all of my family, including my brothers and their families, are staying with us in one crowded room at our home downstairs, in the dark, to seek shelter. We prefer to die all together if a missile would strike. We always wait for fate, and we either survive or die. My younger nephews and nieces are very scared all of the time and don’t sleep well. They refuse to go to the toilet on their own, we take turns accompanying them. The bombings continue, day and night, and we don’t stop feeling scared. We hardly get any sleep.

    We are also subject to psychological pressures as we keep hearing that a friend, a relative or a neighbor has been killed or injured. There is nowhere to hide from the bombings in the whole of Gaza because the Israeli warplanes are indiscriminately targeting all areas.

    Yesterday, the Israeli warplanes bombed my cousin’s building and destroyed it completely. The building is not far away from my home. The warplanes first hit the building with a warning missile, and then less than 5 minutes later they hit it with a huge missile. The building consists of 6 floors, and each floor consists of 3 apartments. This means 12 families became homeless at once. Some got injured, and thank God no one got killed. I’m afraid our turn is coming. Very scary!!

    As if the bombings were not enough, we also receive daily recorded phone calls from the Israeli army to intimidate and terrorize us. In these recorded calls, the army asks us to follow their instructions and obey their orders for our own safety.

    The Israeli warplanes also dropped leaflets in Arabic all over the Gaza Strip to intimidate and terrorize Gazans even more. In one of the leaflets, the army orders people to leave their areas immediately. Palestinian families from Northern Gaza evacuated their homes and moved to UNRWA schools in Gaza city to seek shelter.

    We are very concerned and afraid. No one has any idea what is going to happen in the coming days. We live on the southwest side of the Jabaliya refugee camp which makes us next in line if the Israeli ground forces decide to advance, as they said they would. My sisters live in the refugee camps around Gaza City and I’m sick worrying about them too.

    No one here leaves home unless there is something extremely urgent. Walking through the streets of Gaza city where I live can be a real nightmare. The warplanes and drones are in the sky all the time and you can’t anticipate what will happen in next minute. Are they going to target a car behind you or in front of you? Will you be caught in the blast? Will others be dying right that minute somewhere else? Will others be forced to leave their home in 5 minutes only to be bombed 2 minutes later?

    The shelling is still continuous till this moment, and we are waiting for our turn to get bombed. It can happen any minute.

    What’s happening in Gaza is a “planned humanitarian disaster” and a real crime against humanity. If anyone does not believe it, I ask them to visit for him or herself. Despite this extremely difficult situation, we are still holding on, waiting for this round of violence to end, and the siege on Gaza to be lifted and hoping with it the occupation will also leave our lives once and for all.

    Please keep praying for us.

    LOVE & HUGS,



    About the camp fyi

  106. I’ve just seen the Daily Mail article on banning of demonstrating on this matter in France:

    It is a strange reflection on this current topsy-turvy world that the Mail are now the apparent protectors of democracy… I first noted in their article on last week’s demonstration in London, which other mmedia were avoiding.

  107. However…

    Regarding comments to the above Daily Mail article some are calling for something similar in the UK. Or will the blasting of a water cannon at protestors be sufficient to pacify this noisy “bomb the bastards” minority?

  108. Good article by Barnaby Raine on Jews who’ll be demonstrating today:

  109. St Theresa was asked about the water cannons when she appeared before Vaz and co’s committee about Butler-Sloss. She had quite a hard time of it but it was probably choreographed for our benefit.

    She said the water cannons are now in the country and that she is waiting for reports on the medical aspects of their use. In other words, she’s got the wind up in case someone is blinded as a German man was, or gets killed. She is withholding her consent for their use in this country until she has studied the reports.

    Tell us where they being stored Boris, you Bullingdon boy buffoon/thug and PM in waiting?

  110. Philip Giraldi should have said: “US doesn’t need enemies when it has Israel as a friend”.

  111. An amazingly frank debate in the UK Parliament on the war crimes being committed in Gaza.

    In response to a statement by the Foreign Secretary, Sir Nicholas Soames (Con) opens “This is not just a war about rockets from both sides, but it is actually a war about illegal settlements and stolen land. And what is the next big political move? I have sat here these last 30 years and heard the same statement every year”


  112. So who is stopping this “big political move”?

  113. Alison Weir

    Dear Friends,

    On Wednesday and Thursday, thousands of calls were made to members of the Senate Appropriations Committee asking them to oppose an additional $621 million in tax payer money for Israel’s missile defense programs for 2015 (part of the Department of Defense Appropriations Act, HR 4870). The same bill would cut $500 million from the American defense budget.

    The appropriations committee approved the extra funding to Israel yesterday morning in a unanimous voice vote, but the bill still has to go before the full Senate for debate and passage. We will initiate another round of calls as that date draws closer (likely in September).

    As most of you know, U.S. tax payers already give Israel $3.1 billion per year in directly military aid. On top of that, Congress has given Israel nearly $3 billion more for missile defense programs during 2006-2014.

    We must remember that lawmakers will not stand up to AIPAC overnight, as most of them face immense pressure. The good news, though, is that some staff members working for senators told us on the phone that the senators actually agreed with our position!

    Countering AIPAC requires us to build a grassroots movement of committed American voters who will vote according to candidates’ stances on Palestine, and who will also work for those candidates by ringing doorbells, making phone calls, etc.

    Thank you to all who took time to make these calls and who are helping us advance this movement!

    Best regards,

    The If Americans Knew team

  114. doug scorgie

    19 Jul, 2014 - 2:30 pm


    17 Jul, 2014 – 9:52 pm

    “Very sad that somebody should wish death onto young men who, as with all wars, aren’t really the ones most responsible.”


    wir waren nur die Durchführung von Aufträgen!

  115. GAZA an enclosed open air shooting gallery. The Israelis talk about cutting the grass. Seems to me more like shooting fish in a barrel. The Americans, the french poodle and the bull dog created the situation in the first place after the First World War and now are determined to defend their ” mistakes” whatever the cost.

  116. doug scorgie

    19 Jul, 2014 - 2:49 pm


    18 Jul, 2014 – 5:04 pm

    ” Just a reminder to anyone who wants to avoid buying products that are made in Israel: The bar code will start with 729 ”

    “It’s only the BARCODE that originated in Israel NOT the product.”


    That doesn’t matter really the products are still packed by Israeli based companies so don’t buy them.

  117. Just been on the demo. Looked big as far as I can tell. Normal stuff. From the river to the sea! Stay within the traffic cones!

    Good to shout in the sun though. Friendly crowd. Said hello to Alexis Sayle. All in all a very enjoyable waste of time.

  118. A war crime above all war crimes.

    Israel destroys el-Wafa hospital as staff evacuates all patients

  119. Protestors stage “die-in” in front of White House

  120. @Mary: Yes, I know the block is from the US, but WHO is powerful enough to control the US to this extent (30 years…)

  121. ” That doesn’t matter really the products are still packed by Israeli based companies so don’t buy them. ”

    Israeli goods might also be packed by another company and not have the 729 bar code. Boycotting goods simply on the basis of the barcode is not going to be effective.

  122. Went to BBC Website to see if they were reporting on the demonstration. Nothing! No surprises there…

    Main BBC headline: “Ukraine rebels ‘destroy MH17 clues'”

  123. At least the “no austerity” Guardian can still bring itself to report on some demonstrations:

  124. Hollande’s orders carried out in Paris:

  125. doug scorgie

    19 Jul, 2014 - 3:39 pm

  126. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    19 Jul, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    If the Egyptian government is in the pocket of Israel, the Egyptian people certainly aren’t.
    Maybe this video has been posted before but I have only just seen it. It’s priceless. A Candid Camera TV show invites Egyptian celebrities onto a phone-in programme that they think is for German TV, then a caller says she is disgusted that the celebrity would appear on Israeli TV. When questioned, the compère ‘admits’ that it is an Israeli show, and the celebs go ballistic.

    Very funny, and very revealing about the strength of feeling against Israel in that part of the world.

  127. doug scorgie

    19 Jul, 2014 - 3:49 pm

    Something that Anon, Habbabkuk et al would applaud:

    “As the situation widely deteriorates in the Gaza Strip, Israeli parliament member and law-maker Ayelet Shaked has stigmatized all Palestinians as terrorists, wishing death on all Palestinians while supporting the Israeli military assault.”

    “On Monday Shaked quoted this on her Facebook page: “Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”

    “They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists,” said Shaked. Standing behind the operations on Gaza, “they are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists”.

  128. Peacewisher – have a look at this new Guardian article

    Reading it you’d almost think it was Hamas that had killed over 300 people, just escalated things, and was talking about an incursion lasting 2 weeks. And no comments invited after it for anyone to say that.

  129. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    19 Jul, 2014 - 4:15 pm

    Been on a Norwich demo in support for an end to the suffering and bombing of Gaza. Ex MP Ian Gibson was giving a rousing speec h and the usual SWP crowd milled aorund selling newspapers.

    The idea of strenghtening hamas armour and giving them the means to shoot down the jets that are straffing Palestinian civilians, enabling them to shoot and destroy tanks is beginning to find support after decades of treading water in a onesided conflict.

    Only when Israeli’s loose as many children, have their own blood spilled in this mad Apartheid conflict,will they resolve to agree to a dialogue, it seems.

    Hollande a socialist? more like a zionist poodle.

  130. Photo from Dublin

    The protests/rallies are very widespread.

  131. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    19 Jul, 2014 - 5:06 pm

    Time to stop paying the BBC licence tax, me thinks, let them whistle for it.

  132. doug scorgie

    19 Jul, 2014 - 5:06 pm

    Two days of this thread and not one comment from Anon, Habbabkuk or Resident Dissident (although ResDis has been very active over the same period on the Air Disaster thread)

  133. Kempe:

    GS1 allocate a number to each country but they do warn consumers, businesses and any other interested parties….

    The GS1 Prefix, the first three digits, usually identifying the national GS1 Member Organization to which the manufacturer is registered (not necessarily where the product is actually made).

    So any 729 code will give a strong indication of any product associated to Israel. I can’t recall anyone saying the bar code would comprehensively cover all goods Israeli, as with anything, further research is usually required. The craft, guile and outright deceit Israel uses in many aspects of it’s international relationships will undoubtedly try to muddy the waters. You are very much a part of that process.

    Have your colleagues (Habbabcuk and ResidentDissident) been called up for military duty, Kempe?

  134. @Je: Well it is part of British mainstream media! Probably shut comments down after too many were challenging “Everyone knows…” How anyone can even think of the UK as a democracy with such a controlled media is beyond me.

    I notice that Edward Snowden has spoken about the new “Emergency” legislation. Finds it …. unbelievable!

  135. ” So any 729 code will give a strong indication of any product associated to Israel. I can’t recall anyone saying the bar code would comprehensively cover all goods Israeli, ”

    From Matt yesterday:-

    “Just a reminder to anyone who wants to avoid buying products that are made in Israel: The bar code will start with 729 even if it is not clear from other info on the packaging where the product originates. ”

    Plenty of webistes say the same.

    Yes H and RD are busy throwing white phosphorous grenades into crowded basements. Happy?

  136. The trolls are hiding down a hole with their tails between their legs. They know damn well that there is nothing they can say to justify this inhumanity and/or to challenge the veracity of the posts here.

    Paul Adams has just reported from Gaza from a UN school which is overflowing with refugees. No blankets, no food and little water. UNRWA is now running out of money according to their head, Chris Gunness.

    Paul Adams’ father was the late Michael Adams, a rounded man, a fine journalist and writer and founder of CAABU. His obituary. Pro Palestinian at a time when that was unheard of.

  137. BBC use archive photograph instead of reality – again!

    I have some sympathy with your point of view, Nevermind.

  138. The BBC were perhaps shamed into reporting this massive protest.

  139. It appears that there was a Twitterstorm, Mary. I’m sure they couldn’t risk BBCBias going viral!

  140. One thing we can all do to protest is stop buying all products that have a “K” or a “U” encircled on the packaging. Those are products that are extorted by the group to pay fees to them in order to get their products accepted by the lobby. Read between the lines here. Just do some research on those little symbols on the packaging and see where the money goes.

  141. The French disobeyed Monsewer Hollande too. Bravo!

  142. Andy 15:15 wrote “Have your colleagues (Habbabcuk and ResidentDissident) been called up for military duty, Kempe?”

    Perhaps they are on this frontline lookout post

  143. The female zionist “spectator”: “they choose Hamas, so it is their fault!” She then continues; “I think we should wipe the whole city off the face of the Earth”, and gesturing with her fingers admits; “yeah I am a little bit fascist”!

    The house of redshield setting up its very own private money laundering gateway, has meant that millions of people ought to be held in concentration camps and bombed at will while the rest of the zionist scum invade the blogs and pepper the place with utter shite in defence of the indefensible actions of marauding hoards of rabid mad zionists on their killing sprees.

    How civilised won’t you agree?

  144. “Something that Anon, Habbabkuk et al would applaud:

    “As the situation widely deteriorates in the Gaza Strip, Israeli parliament member and law-maker Ayelet Shaked has stigmatized all Palestinians as terrorists, wishing death on all Palestinians while supporting the Israeli military assault.””

    Well thanks in my absence for putting words into my mouth, Doug, but I certainly wouldn’t applaud that. What I would say is that in a democracy all sorts of unpleasant views will be aired. Ayelet Shaked’s comments are certainly not representative of anything but a small minority of extremists in Israel.

    Now, honestly, can the same be said of similar sentiments on the Palestinian side?

    Maybe in the future some Brit-hating Israeli blogger will publish words of Nick Griffin and claim they are representitive of British opinion.

    This is the problem you have sitting in front of your computer all day picking tidbits of information from your favoured websites to publish here as if it somehow gives you the moral high ground, whilst actually doing fuck all to change the life of a single Palestinian.

  145. In particular:

    “There is a terrible irony to this widespread publishing of photos of battered Palestinian children – the aim seems to be to show that we the right-minded folk of Twitter and the Western media really care, but the question it immediately raises in my mind is this: “Well, if you care about children so much, why didn’t you publish photos of dead kids from the Congo? Or Aleppo? Or Sri Lanka? Do you only care about one group of children – Palestinians – and no others?”
    So a photo-sharing frenzy aimed at advertising our caring tendencies actually has the opposite effect: it makes one wonder why this alleged caring instinct is so picky, so partial , attaching itself firmly to the child-victims of one conflict but rarely finding expression in relation to any other conflict.”

  146. Oh the whataboutry! Where would they all be without whataboutry?

    What about the plumes of Saturn?
    What about the Vesuvius?
    What about Congo?

    They dictate what Gaza residents should have voted in their elections, and in the absence of their desired results, they will bomb the Gaza to smithereens, and destroy hospitals, sewage systems and water purification facilitates (not war crimes at all).

    The same aggressive, inhuman hoards of mad rabid zionists then dictate what should we be concerned with; Children in Congo, in Sri Lanka, etc. Evidently the zionists supremacists verily intend to compel/force/intimidate us into thinking, and writing about their prescribed subjects. This is a universal trend in the zionist “discourse”; tell the goyem cattle what they should think.

  147. Channel 4 covered it briefly too. Perhaps they are getting too many compaints.

    535,000 signatures on the AVAAZ petition now. Incredible.

  148. Got droooned at the Gaza demo in Glasgow ( Big turn out regardless of weather, must be over 10,000 easy. )…Then we walked about 2 miles to the bbc building….

    Just like to say…that even if Craig was there Speaking..i think stv would still have had Anas Sarwar, as the ONLY voice in its segment…

    At first i was taken aback by the sudden booing…Sarwar was Booed before he could put 4 sentences together

    He was as i say, they only speaker Booed, and to repeat, the only Voice later on stv news..

    At least Phil had the Sun to waste his time in… NOW I’VE GO PNEUMONIA ( Again )

    i would not really regard it as waste of time…But when the establishment, Eliminate the event…???

    Turn yir Laptops, P.c’s sideways…For the Sarwar Debacle in Glasgow

  149. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    20 Jul, 2014 - 12:18 am

    An act of defiance. Palestinians cut power off to illegal Israeli settlement.

  150. GutterTheQuantifier

    20 Jul, 2014 - 12:27 am

    Anon wrote:
    “Ayelet Shaked’s comments are certainly not representative of anything but a small minority of extremists in Israel … Maybe in the future some Brit-hating Israeli blogger will publish words of Nick Griffin and claim they are representative of British opinion.”

    Nick Griffin was never elected to public office, but in any case he’s said never said anything remotely as vile as that quote.

    That evil woman is an elected member of the Knesset, and her party is part of the ruling coalition, with ministers in cabinet. I know it is hard to believe, but Ayelet Shaked genuinely represents a sizeable portion of Israeli opinion, which is nakedly fascist.

    Israel is a racist colony, so it should come as no surprise that it is full of evil, racist people.

  151. Huffpost say 15,000? The BBC are saying “thousands”. Its impossibly hard to estimate numbers but I’ve been to a lot of demos in London and today felt like a lot more than 15,000. I could be wrong.

    Have the stwc or met given figures?

  152. Anon’s….. to change the life of a single Palestinian.

    S/be ….. to change the death of a single Palestinian.

  153. May Palestine Become Free Soon
    by Dennis Rahkonen / July 19th, 2014

    During the 1967 Six Day War, my youthful ignorance and gullibility made me completely swallow pro-Israeli propaganda regarding that conflict, plus the overall glorification of Tel Aviv’s purpose relating to Palestinians. I remember a paperback book, Strike Zion, which prominently appeared on newsstands, extolling especially the Israeli military, while thoroughly demonizing Arabs.

    I’ve since become a passionate supporter of Palestinian independence, based on irrefutable evidence that Israel, for many cruel decades, has built its own state via an ongoing genocidal effort to extirpate Palestinian rights and sovereignty by means not unlike how European colonists took America from its indigenous people.

    In Gaza today, Jews having historical ties to the horrific Holocaust, are ultra-hypocritically delivering sudden mass death, violent injury and harrowing fear to trapped multitudes just as Hitler did with the Warsaw Ghetto.

    There are sites on the Internet, such as GlobalPost, where one can view grotesque photos of the ensuing human carnage that most media deem too graphic — or too damning against Israel — to publish.

    If blowing up children frolicking on a sunny beach or bombing a rehabilitation facility for the disabled doesn’t spur your moral outrage, consider this:

    As reported in the London Independent, a Danish journalist videotaped Israelis gathered on a hilltop in the border city of Sderot, sitting in plastic chairs and eating popcorn, cheering as their army’s shells exploded against the night darkness in Gaza, with its dense civilian population. CNN correspondent Diana Magnay also reported the story, receiving threats for doing so.

    Israel’s shameful, unequivocal barbarism must be stopped.

    The Palestinians definitely deserve a unitary, unhindered homeland.

    With the help of international outrage manifested in a coordinated global boycott, divestment and sanctions aimed at outlaw Israel, may that homeland come into existence soon!

  154. An Endlösung of their very own.

    These are some crazy fuckers.

  155. Cheers to good people here for providing links to the Stop Bombing Gaza! -Free Palestine demonstrations across the UK.

    Special thanks to Mary for sharing with us her moving and heartrending correspondence.

    We are living in depressing , discouraging and disheartening times.

    Shame on Ed Milliband promotor and MI5 ‘mark’ Lloyd William Embley for the headline;

    “Putin (is) warned of ‘hell to pay’ if Russia to blame” without ascribing it to a source concerning the MH17 trajedy.

    We have been shown the grief, the bereavement and the sorrow of the families and friends of those violently and dreadfully murdered in Palestine and Ukraine.

    I myself believe we can take that awareness of bereavement within/into ourselves, within our minds to feel the emotion. Holding a placard, gathering and yelling our anguish in solidarity is not enough. The mourning is shedding tears, the harmony is holding hands; everyone who feels that pain can marry/join in this way across the country, from Land’s End to John o’ Groats. Those who see our tears will accompany.

    How can the ‘origin’ evolve when the intention is weak?

  156. Yes Mark. Homo non sapiens learnt nothing from WW1 and WW2.

    Israel bombs El Shifa hospital, a well built three storey structure with good doctors and nursing staff. It has been attacked before.

    What did the British and the Americans do in Iraq? Bomb it to smithereens. We even used cluster bombs in Basra. This is an account of the terrible atrocities committed.

    The nitwits waving silly little union flags on royal occasions and the old boys of the British Legion lowering their flags on Remembrance Day have short memories or even selective memories.

    But heh, forget the slaughter of Palestinians and the decomposing bodies in Hrabove. Rejoice! Prince George is one on Tuesday and there’s some more of the bread and circus stuff coming up in Glasgow next week.

  157. Anti-Israel protests are reported from over hundred cities around the world, calling Israeli actions “neoNazi”, and calling Israel “Scum state”.

    Turkey’s prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has even crossed the “red line”. While criticizing Israel Knesset female Jew member Ayelet Shaked’ remark, “all Palestinians are our enemies and should be killed” – Erdogan compared Ms. Shaked with Hitler. In fact, Hitler never ordered the extermination of European Jewry. How could he, when 150,000 German Jews were part of the Nazi Army.

    Naturally, Erdogan’s response was not acceptable to American Jew supremacist Abraham Foxman, the head of Israel lobby group ADL. On July 15, Abe fired his Zionist rocket at Erdogan, saying: “According to reports, you made the unthinkable comparison of an Israeli politician to Hitler and accused Israel of terrorizing the region, of disregard of international law and of tyranny.” Yes, shame on you Mr. Erdogan, for being a Muslim criticizing the Biblical “chosen woman”.

  158. A Naga Munchetti has joined the BBC Breakfast team. This morning she referred to what is happening as a ‘controversial dispute’. !!!

    When the paper reviewer Sir Philip Craven president of the Int’l Paralympic Assn was expressing his anger about a grandfather in Gaza losing his three grandsons to an Israeli missile whilst playing in their yard, and comparing them to his own three grandsons playing in his garden yesterday, she said ‘We mustn’t forget that there are Israeli casualties too’.

    Do they go to the BBC College of Journalism to be taught their bias or do they arrive for their jobs already indoctrinated? Bravo! Shame on her.

  159. Yonatan. 6 45pm

    Re Dad et al,

    frontline lookout post

    Says it all. Thanks.

  160. Eichmann’s contribution to the Occupation and the creation of Israel.

    ‘Nazi Germany used violence and economic pressure to encourage Jews to leave Germany of their own volition;[26] around 250,000 of the country’s 437,000 Jews emigrated between 1933 and 1939. Eichmann travelled to British Mandatory Palestine with his superior Herbert Hagen in 1937 to assess the possibility of Germany’s Jews voluntarily emigrating to that country, disembarking with forged press credentials at Haifa, whence they travelled to Cairo in Egypt. There they met Feival Polkes, an agent of the Haganah, with whom they were unable to strike a deal.[29] Polkes suggested that more Jews should be allowed to leave under the terms of the Haavara Agreement, but Hagen refused, surmising that a strong Jewish presence in Palestine might lead to their founding an independent state, which would run contrary to Reich policy.[30] Eichmann and Hagen attempted to return to Palestine a few days later, but were denied entry after the British authorities refused them the required visas.[31]

    In 1938, Eichmann was posted to Vienna to help organise Jewish emigration from Austria, which had just been integrated into the Reich through the Anschluss.[32] Jewish community organisations were placed under supervision of the SD and tasked with encouraging and facilitating Jewish emigration.[33] Funding came from money seized from other Jewish people and organisations, as well as donations from overseas, which were placed under SD control.[34] Eichmann was promoted to SS-Obersturmführer (first lieutenant) in July 1938, and appointed to the Central Agency for Jewish Emigration in Vienna, created in August.[35] By the time he left Vienna in May 1939, nearly 100,000 Jews had left the country legally, and many more had been smuggled out to Palestine and elsewhere.’

    Continued under

  161. Things that the BBC deems more important that Gaza Solidarity March
    (Sherlock Holmes lookalikes, vomiting athletes and Andrew Neil on the drums)


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  162. Mary – you shoule read this page if you haven’t already


  163. Bet the BBC loved putting this up.

    Israel expands Gaza ground offensive
    An Israeli airstrike seen in the east of Gaza Strip along the border between Israel and Gaza City – 20 July 2014
    An Israeli soldier carries ammunition outside the Gaza Strip. Photo: 20 July 2014

    Israel has expanded its ground operation against Hamas, the army says, as Gazans report the heaviest shelling in 13 days of conflict.

    ‘More than 40 people were killed in one district east of Gaza City, hospital officials have told the BBC.’

    ‘But the death toll continued to rise at the weekend, with the number of Palestinians killed now 395 since the operation began, according to Palestinian health officials.’

    20 July 2014 Last updated at 11:17
    Gaza conflict: Israel expands ground offensive

  164. Je I couldn’t read anything like that now as I feel so thoroughly sickened and saddened but thanks anyway. The Rabbi looks like one of those who belong to Neturei Karta who join pro Palestinian protest marches here.

  165. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    20 Jul, 2014 - 12:17 pm

    Your post is like waving your arms.

    How can we stop this and help??

    I wouldn’t presume to advise an aidworker, but for anyone else casting around for answers, suggest:

    1. Give generously to MAP. They’re on the ground, they’re non political (I believe based in UK) and they’ve been mitigating the ongoing disaster of Gaza for years. Don’t forget to check the tax release box.

    Thank you.

    2. I’m sorry to say this, and I say it only because my reluctance has now given place to fury: the only people with any leverage on Israel, ultimately, (via all sorts of lobby groups in every Western government, as we all know.) is the Jewish diaspora. If you know a member of this, make sure they are in absolutely no doubt of your views, within the limits of the law, and get an idea of their stance, too. Don’t feel you have even to reply to a routine greeting from a Jewish person who supports Israel’s current actions, let alone offer one. Make it personal. Quiet protests outside synagogues of a Saturday may also help to convey disgust with Israel’s policies. I’m thinking of a silent crowd moving politely aside to allow worshippers in and out, and then reforming. No obstruction; no abuse.

    The compliance of our government in this is misrepresented as our compliance. Make sure there is no confusion in future.

  166. The figure killed last night has now reached 50 after heavy bombing on Shejaiya, east of Gaza City. The people were told to leave but had nowhere to go. Bodies of women and children are lying on the dusty ground.

  167. Ba’al Zevul (With Gaza)

    “I’m sorry to say this, and I say it only because my reluctance has now given place to fury: the only people with any leverage on Israel, ultimately, (via all sorts of lobby groups in every Western government, as we all know.) is the Jewish diaspora. If you know a member of this, make sure they are in absolutely no doubt of your views, within the limits of the law, and get an idea of their stance, too. Don’t feel you have even to reply to a routine greeting from a Jewish person who supports Israel’s current actions, let alone offer one. Make it personal. Quiet protests outside synagogues of a Saturday may also help to convey disgust with Israel’s policies. I’m thinking of a silent crowd moving politely aside to allow worshippers in and out, and then reforming. No obstruction; no abuse.”

    Oh dear, Ba’al, you want us to start hassling Jews in the street now? Intimidate them outside synagogues regardless of the opinions they may or may not hold? You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

  168. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    20 Jul, 2014 - 12:44 pm

    Quartet representative unaccountably modest about his achievements –

    Where is our fraudulent friend? I’d have expected a flatulent defence of Israel’s escalating, er, ‘self-defence’ by now.

  169. Five years ago, I was at UCL listening to Mads Gilbert speaking of his work during Cast Lead. I can still hear his lilting voice, his words and see the shocking photos he produced. Attempts were made to disrupt Mads talk by one Jonathan Hoffman of the JNF without success.

    I looked him up this morning and thought he had a namesake and lookalike working for Boris as an ‘economic adviser’.

    Anyway I thought nothing of it until I looked further for recent activity of Hoffman and found this about the massive fall in JNF income.

    There was a link within to Hoffman and on the JC article there is the very same photo!

    Outrageous. What is Boris up to employing such an extreme Zionist? Am example of how Jewish people are embedded in the structure of government at all levels, national, regional and local and not even a moderate in Hoffman’s case. Just like Yankeeland. The Palestinian people do not stand a chance of regaining their land and homes until Israel goes down.

  170. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    20 Jul, 2014 - 12:48 pm

    Oh dear, Ba’al, you want us to start hassling Jews in the street now? Intimidate them outside synagogues regardless of the opinions they may or may not hold? You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

    That is almost exactly NOT what I suggested, as can readily be confirmed above. Though I am glad to see that the suggestion of silent protest where it will best be registered and ostracism of known pro-Israel Jews frightens you into intentional misrepresentation.

    Maybe I’ll see you next Saturday.

  171. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    20 Jul, 2014 - 12:51 pm

    The Palestinian people do not stand a chance of regaining their land and homes until Israel goes down.

    I would be interested to hear if our pro-Zion crowd has any less drastic (and workable) suggestions. Because I can no longer argue with that.

  172. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    20 Jul, 2014 - 1:00 pm

    Ceasefire has collapsed after an hour. Obviously.

    This is beginning to resemble Chechnya. On which Tony Blair was similarly supportive of bombing civilians:

  173. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    20 Jul, 2014 - 1:05 pm

  174. Abandon all hope that anything will change for the Palestinians at the FCO.

    Hammond this morning on Marr – ‘Israel has every right to defend itself. Hamas should have signed the ceasefire agreement’.

    Tobias Ellwood new MENA minister, PPS to Liam Fox.

    ‘Former soldier Tobias Ellwood appointed UK’s Middle East MinisterBy Marcus Dysch, July 16, 2014

    Tobias Ellwood MP is the new Parliamentary Under Secretary of State at the Foreign Office

    Tobias Ellwood has been appointed as the new Middle East Minister at the Foreign Office in David Cameron’s government reshuffle.

    Mr Ellwood’s promotion was one of the last to be announced and came after former minister Hugh Robertson resigned.

    The MP for Bournemouth East arrives in the midst of the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

    Mr Ellwood is a former soldier with experience of serving in the Middle East. He has regularly visited Israel and the Palestinian territories on parliamentary delegations.

    He previously served as a private secretary to Liam Fox during his time as Defence Secretary.

    Mr Ellwood was born in New York, grew up in Germany and Austria, and served with the army’s Royal Green Jackets.

    He was stationed in Northern Ireland, Cyprus, Kuwait, Germany and Bosnia.

    Writing on Twitter after being appointed, the father-of-two said: “Delighted and honoured to be joining Philip Hammond in the Foreign Office with responsibility for Middle East and North Africa”.

    Mr Hammond has replaced William Hague as Foreign Secretary.’

    Ellwood TheyWorkForYou
    Overseas visits
    14-19 February 2009, to Israel, West Bank and Golan Heights, courtesy of the Conservative Friends of Israel who met the costs of the visit. (Registered 13 March 2009)

    Saudi Arabia, Georgia, UAE, Cairo this January, Kurdistan, Baghdad, Poland (Auschwitz), Canada, Washington, Oman, Syria, Lebanon etc etc All since 2005.

  175. Ba’al etc.

    The idea that the usual protesters from Palestine Solidarity Campaign, Friends of Al-Aqsa, Stop the War Coalition, British Muslim Initiative, Palestinian Forum in Britain, Muslim Association of Britain, Islamic Forum in Europe, etc., will form a silent protest outside Jewish places of worship and respectfully move aside to allow worshippers to enter and leave is laughable, as you well know.

    You’ll more likely have a PR disaster on your hands a a mob of angry and scowling student union types in Palestinian garb heckle and intimidate Jews outside synagogues whilst waving placards like this:

    Perhaps you should stick to your other idea of ranting away at ‘diaspora Jews’, for no other reason than that they are Jewish.

  176. “Maybe I’ll see you next Saturday.”

    Here Ba’al etc gives himself away again, this time with idea that to oppose what he is suggesting means I’m probably Jewish (to be Jewish in his estimation is to be a Zionist child murderer, unless one can prove otherwise after severe interrogation).

  177. Ok, so it’s time for something constructive. Mary, Ba’al etc, and a few others are pondering what to do about the situation in Gaza now that they have discovered posting endless comments on a blog has turned out to be unproductive.

    Might I intervene with a suggestion?

    Take a leaf out of George Orwell’s book (Ok, I understand he’s not popular around here, for obvious reasons), give up your worldly possessions and go and fight for your adopted cause. I would certainly respect for that.

    Otherwise I suspect you’re just publicly offloading some of your very particular hang-ups under the guise of caring about human rights.

  178. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    20 Jul, 2014 - 2:06 pm

    “You’ll more likely have a PR disaster on your hands a a mob of angry and scowling student union types in Palestinian garb heckle and intimidate Jews outside synagogues whilst waving placards like this:”

    A hyperthetical PR disaster that is being discussed.

    The burning of a palestinian teenager, alive, by pouring petrol down his throat, then beating up his cousin, all done by Netanyahu’s thuggies and football hooligans is the real PR disaster.

  179. FAO the sis snoopers and other hard working snoops;

    Please not the following statement made by an anonymous posting under the heading Anon20 Jul, 2014 – 1:56 pm

    Take a leaf out of George Orwell’s book (Ok, I understand he’s not popular around here, for obvious reasons), give up your worldly possessions and go and fight for your adopted cause. I would certainly respect for that.

    Otherwise I suspect you’re just publicly offloading some of your very particular hang-ups under the guise of caring about human rights.

    Is in fact promoting terrorism and ought to be dealt with pronto.

    Thanking you in advance

    PS snitching never felt so good!


    Ba’al Zevul (With Gaza)

    You may be onto a good point there judging by the violent reaction and the numerous posts deploring your idea, good idea, damn good idea! Keep’em coming, we need to think out of box.

  180. Israel more brutal than Hitler – PM

    58 seconds ago| By Press Association






    Turkey’s prime minister has accused Israel of “barbarism that surpasses Hitler” during its ground invasion of Gaza.

    Recep Tayyip Erdogan made the comment during a campaign speech in the Black Sea port city of Ordu.

    He is running for the presidency in elections next month and has been speaking out strongly against Israel during its offensive against Hamas militants in Gaza, which has killed more than 300 Palestinians.

    Mr Erdogan accuses Israel of using disproportionate force and has said the operation there has derailed efforts to normalise Turkish-Israeli ties which soured after Israel’s 2010 raid on an aid ship which killed eight Turks and a Turkish-American.

    Hundreds have also staged protests in recent days outside Israeli diplomatic mission in Ankara and Istanbul.

  181. Israeli massacres echo Hitler mentality: Turkey


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    Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has condemned the latest Israeli aggression against the besieged Gaza Strip, accusing Israel of massacring Palestinians.

    Erdogan told members of his ruling Justice and Development Party in parliament on Tuesday that Israel is perpetrating a “massacre” of Palestinians and “is continuing to carry out state terrorism in the region.”

    He also questioned the world’s silence on Tel Aviv’s ongoing atrocities in the blockaded enclave, underlining that any normalization in the ties between Israel and Turkey is impossible.

    The Turkish premier further slammed Israeli lawmaker Ayelet Shaked for his controversial remarks posted on social media suggesting that the Palestinians deserved to die.

    “What’s the difference between this mentality and that of Hitler?” Erdogan asked.

    Erdogan is scheduled to meet the president of the Palestinian national unity government, Mahmoud Abbas, in Turkey on Friday.

    Israel has been carrying out unrelenting airstrikes against Gazans since July 8. Around 200 people have been killed in the attacks so far with the UN saying most of the casualties are civilians.

    Relations between Israel and Turkey soured after Israeli marines stormed a Gaza-bound Turkish ship in 2010 while in international waters. Ten Turks have died since the assault.

    Erdogan said ties will remain frosty as long as Israel continues its Gaza offensive, noting that Tel Aviv must know that “it is out of the question to normalize our relations if those massacres continue.”

    Gaza has been blockaded since 2007, a situation that has caused a decline in the standard of living, unprecedented levels of unemployment, and unrelenting poverty.

  182. Mary 8:37 am

    “Eichmann’s contribution to the Occupation and the creation of Israel.”

    Can you expand on what you mean by this? I can’t make any sense of your post or how you link your Wiki copy and paste to the above comment.


    20 Jul, 2014 - 2:33 pm

    I believe Anon had a close relative who died in a concentration camp in WWII.

    Fell off a guard tower.


    20 Jul, 2014 - 2:39 pm

    The new Warsaw Ghetto, where the neo-Jews have been sequestered.

    ““An entire population is trapped in what is essentially an open-air prison,” Mr Whittall writes. “They can’t leave and only the most limited supplies – essential for basic survival – are allowed to enter. The population of the prison have elected representatives and organised social services.

    “Some of the prisoners have organised into armed groups and resist their indefinite detention by firing rockets over the prison wall. However, the prison guards are the ones who have the capacity to launch large-scale and highly destructive attacks on the open-air prison.”


    20 Jul, 2014 - 2:45 pm

    ” And I want to turn to an op-ed that was published in The Jerusalem Post this morning. Its author is Gilad Sharon, who is the son of former prime minister Ariel Sharon. Let me read an exerpt to you. In it he says,
    “THE DESIRE to prevent harm to innocent civilians in Gaza will ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel. The residents of Gaza are not innocent, they elected Hamas. The Gazans aren’t hostages; they chose this freely, and must live with the consequences.”

    Later he goes on to say,

    “We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima–the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.”

    That includes any hospital daring to treat Palestinians……..

  186. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    20 Jul, 2014 - 2:47 pm


    What is your opinion of the use by Israel of flechette shells in Gaza?


    20 Jul, 2014 - 2:52 pm

    ““What is hard to explain is why the Security Council has not been willing to force the United States to take the embarrassing step of actually vetoing the measure, as it has on four occasions with Russia and China in regard to Syria,” he asked.

    Ian Williams, a longstanding U.N. correspondent and senior analyst at Foreign Policy in Focus, told IPS the UNSC is determined to prove that governments do not have principles, only interests.

    Since the end of the Cold War, the Palestinians have had no sponsors or patrons.

    He said even the Russians and the Chinese weigh the strength of the Israel Lobby in the U.S., and increasingly in Europe, and calculate whether it is in their interests to alienate Washington even more.”

    I think they still court the West for remaining scraps of trade and diplomatic agreements until BRICS is fully online.

  188. Try getting into Gaza Anon. It is sealed up and has been for a long time. Ask some relatives and friends of mine about their experiences at the Erez crossing, the Rafah crossing, Ben Gurion Airport (Lodd), with FreeGaza flotillas, with the Mavi Marmara flotilla. Ask Cynthia McKinney on the mv Dignity rammed thrice in the dark by the Israeli gunships 50 miles off the Gaza coast in international waters.

    Ref Eichmann try reading it and don’t be disingenuous.

    You are just a nasty shill for Israel who are massacring Palestinian women and children in the night in their usual cowardly way. Get lost. Where are your other pals btw. Frightened to come up and attempt to defend the indefensible. Cowards like the Israeli Offence Forces. They should not leave you here on your tod.

  189. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    20 Jul, 2014 - 3:02 pm

    “Maybe I’ll see you next Saturday.”

    Here Ba’al etc gives himself away again, this time with idea that to oppose what he is suggesting means I’m probably Jewish …..

    I don’t base my longstanding assumption that you are some form of zionist, wholly favouring the Israeli policy towards Palestine, on just one post of yours, but most of them. Your religion/ethnicity/cu;ltural roots/ whatever we are required to call it, is completely immaterial.

    (to be Jewish in his estimation is to be a Zionist child murderer, unless one can prove otherwise after severe interrogation)…

    Not at all. I am always careful to distinguish between Zionist child murderers such as those you are happy to lie for, and the generality of the Jewish religion/race/cultural grouping/whatever, within which they hide and which they use as a sort of conceptual human shield. I won’t say some of my best friends are Jewish, but I am on good speaking terms with many and expect to remain so.

    And for all you know I may be attending schul next Shabat myself :-)

  190. Pity the 13 who have been kidnapped. Their screams will be heard only by their captors and torturers.

    ‘The Israeli military has said it has hit more than 2,500 targets in Gaza, including 1,100 rocket launchers, after nearly two weeks of fighting.

    It has said around 70 militants have been killed and another 13 brought to Israel for questioning.’

  191. Wow.

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    Jon Snow ‏@jonsnowC4 · 7h
    If you strangle a people, deny them supply, for years, extreme reaction is inevitable. the one begets the other.

    Jon Snow ‏@jonsnowC4 · 7h
    Were any other country on Earth doing what is being done in Gaza, there would be worldwide uproar

  192. 20 July 2014 Last updated at 13:21
    In pictures: Gaza conflict intensifies

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