261 thoughts on “Off to Waverley Now

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  • Ben

    Muscleguy; Sorry my snark didn’t register. Tourism will continue unabated as you suggest. I favor any independent effort. I just think you need to prepare for what happens after the celebration. (See Devil’s details)

    I also wish Scotland well with the voting results. Either way, there’s going to be some rocks that need to be made into pebbles.

  • Anon1

    “allowed to insult and plaster racist and hateful material and get away with it!”

    So what was your 9:09pm post all about then, Fedup?

  • Fedup

    Everybody note the “contributions” of the zionist vermin assigned to this board

    How long do we have to put up with the exceptionalism extended to these deviant zionist vermin?

    Is there any red line drawn that these zionist scum have not crossed?

    How come the racist insults plastered by these zionist supremacist scum is tolerated?

  • Fedup

    FAO Moderators, I am awaiting an explanation as to why this deviant zionist scum is still hanging around this place, after its overtly racist and clearly insulting comments here

  • Peacewisher

    @anon1: I didn’t hear the whole interview. I know Tommy’s politics and I don’t necessarily agree. However, I did admire and enjoy the twenty seconds or so of cutting through the elitist rhetoric. It is very rare for that to happen on the BBC… the smooth liars don’t get challenged at all (oh yes, there’s labour MPs… who probably agree with most of what the smooth liars say anyway). Didn’t the video on Craig’s previous thread show them up well!

  • Just saying

    Salmond may have made a big mistake in not appealing more to the million plus elderly “pensioned” voter segment. They are in their right not to have any upheaval in the twilight of their lives and a little bit of reassurance by the oil economist would have gone a long way to allay their fears, in all fairness they may not be expected to click their heels and cry “Freedom” due to geriatric arthritis !!

    But there is still time, the main issue as I see it is to have enough YES votes to make rigging that will require a bogus 90% plus turnout for a “winning” NO vote, untenable.

    BTW-Mods can we have the spurs v west ham supporters sidelined over the next 3 days as we focus on the independence debate. The trolls and anti-trolls will end up derailing the referendum issues debate.

  • Ben

    “I see it is to have enough YES votes to make rigging that will require a bogus 90% plus turnout for a “winning” NO vote, untenable.”

    It’s close enough to resemble the 2000 elections decided by SCOTUS in the Florida recount. Prepare for the aftermath. I suspect, either way, there will be hell to pay.

  • Peacewisher

    Sure, Ben. All Gordon Brown’s fault. Wouldn’t find Ukraine letting the Donbass people have their own vote on independence…

  • Parky

    Newsnight with Kirsty Walk live from Dundee tonight, the NO favoured bias over-whelming, well they just don’t care anymore about impartiality if they ever did, there were YES supporters in the crowd who were given less than half the time to speak than the NO lot. Friday can’t come round too soon.

  • Ben

    ” Wouldn’t find Ukraine letting the Donbass people have their own vote on independence…”

    That’s a bridge Craig doesn’t want to cross, PW. Self-determination is not an option for Russian speaking peoples.

  • Ben

    Now here’s a real threat Mary. No Scotch for you….http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/11/news/scotch-whisky-scotish-referendum/index.html

    “The Scotch Whisky Association listed many reasons why makers are worried, key among them is the fact that it’s unclear what the Scottish currency would be and also what it would mean for access to global markets.
    The group pointed out that the industry’s success is tied strongly to Scotland’s membership in the United Kingdom and the benefits Scotch makers enjoy in the U.K. would “need to be similarly provided” if Scotland decides to go its own way.”

  • John Goss

    “Be careful when you grow up you may become like Uncle John Goss.”

    My article http://newsjunkiepost.com/2014/09/14/yes-to-scotland-independence-and-britains-waning-imperialism/ has worried him, ESLO/Resident Dissident, because he purports to be Labour, but he’s actually the pseudo-Labour of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown (advocates of the Scotland No vote, warmongers and war criminals) whereas my article talks about real Labour, the Labour Party of Keir Hardie, (a true socialist, pacifist, promoter of women’s rights) who laid the foundation for the Labour Party that sons of Tories destroyed.

    Yes, ESLO, if, if only, and yet you have the downright gall to write “Should be a mercifully short piece then” about my article which you no doubt did not read. Yes, you are right, it is not long but it is an accurate assessment of how Scotland can get back to grass-roots Socialism, should it choose, which I hope it does.

    I would love to know what your opinion, as a supporter of miners, is regarding Keir Hardie.

  • Ba'al Zevul (Blair's Bane)

    The group pointed out that the industry’s success is tied strongly to Scotland’s membership in the United Kingdom and the benefits Scotch makers enjoy in the U.K. would “need to be similarly provided” if Scotland decides to go its own way.”

    No reason I can see that they shouldn’t be. More pre-emptive lobbying. Scotland grows barley and has abundant peat and the right kind(s) of water. That, and maybe some heating oil, is all it needs to make the product, for which there is international demand. Unless we are talking some cosy little stitchup between global conglomerate Diageo and its chums from Eton…..oh, yes. I see.

  • Ben

    “I would love to know what your opinion” Glad to see you back, John. RD, ASFIK hasn’t outed his stance on the referendum, but it is rather predictable.

  • Peacewisher

    @Ben: I have some sympathy with Craig’s position, given that Chechnya wasn’t allowed independence… whilst that problem was inherited by Putin and the terrorism was already out of control, EU/US were turning a blind eye to terrible events.

    However… one country’s attempt to eradicate the speaking of a language spoken by a sizeable minority is a perfectly good reason for separation – without bloodshed – one would think. Must be something in the UN charter on human rights about that.

  • Peacewisher

    @John: What’s happening regarding Moazzam Begg. I thought his arrest for going to Syria was a bit out of order at the time, but what with all this ISIS stuff in recent months, I’m wondering whether he wasn’t put into police custody for his own protection.

  • Ben

    ” I have some sympathy with Craig’s position, given that Chechnya wasn’t allowed independence… ”

    I don’t share the need to paint all Russians with that brush. Putin is not the issue, imo PW

  • GeneralGiap

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/

    The Zionist Israeli Press tells us what’s best for Scottish Jews in the independence referendum . The Jerusalem Post of a couple of weeks ago was advising Scots who are also Jews to ” have a bag packed ” in the event of a ‘ Yes ‘ vote owning to pogroms which would be sure to break out !!

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    Peter45 15 Sep, 2014 – 10:33 am

    “This vote has nothing to do with Independence for Scotland, it is about the Breaking down of Nation States and dividing and ruling the populations so large International banks and Corporations can control all what happens in your area.”

    The UK has been controlled by the banks since the Napoleonic Wars. Decade by decade, the City of London has used the UK to take control of currencies, and thus countries, throughout the Western world. Having accumulated power over national governments, the banks are now using it to create legislation allowing the wholesale sell-off of national infrastructures to international corporations.

    Your worries about large International banks and Corporations taking control are therefore rather belated. The hope is that an Independent Scotland can win back some of those powers, perhaps at least slow down the sell-off of national assets such as the NHS. A very strong argument for Scotland ditching the pound in favour of it’s own currency is that it could then retain control of its own money supply rather than cede this crucial power to the Central Banking system.

    As to small countries being more vulnerable to the banks than large ones, I remind you that while the UK gave the banksters the best part of a trillion of our money as a ‘bailout’, Iceland told them to fuck of and jailed the ones that didn’t leave the country fast enough.

  • John Goss

    Peacewisher 16 Sep, 2014 – 12:31 am

    You have a lot of confidence in our security services, the ones complicit in torture that Moazzam was investigating. If they were trying to protect him they have shown a very funny way of doing it. His own article explains the changing position of our government from when fighting Assad to opposing ISIS.

    http://www.cageuk.org/press-release/press-release-moazzam-begg-arrested-uncovering-western-complicity-rendition-and-tortur

  • John Goss

    Sorry Peacewisher, it was not Moazzam’s article but related to issues he has previously raised. I need to tell people on this blog and everywhere that Cage (formerly Cage Prisoners) has had all its funding stopped. Its bank accounts (Barclays and Cooperative) have been closed by our free and wonderful western banking institutions on the instructions of who? I have spoken to, and written to, the person who is fending off inquiries at the Cooperative Bank, because I am a member of the Coop Bank. If they can do it to one they can do it to all of us.

    I have also contacted two groups. One is [email protected] from where I got a response from Shaun. The other is a local group involved in the cooperative movement.

  • Peacewisher

    I like to remain positive, John.

    I haven’t seen Moazzam speak myself, but others have said he came across as a very peaceful person. I suppose surviving Guantanamo Bay must require an ability to contemplate and focus, even meditate.

    I’m aware of the outrage about his arrest, and the suggestions being made at the time. He couldn’t be arrested for uncovering disgusting behaviour – not in a democracy, anyway. He would just have been ignored. There must have been something else going on, don’t you think? He must have found something out in Syria, or gone where he wasn’t supposed to go. What was he charged with, in the end? And when is his case due to be heard? I’m surprised Stop the War Coalition haven’t made more of a fuss.

  • John Goss

    I take your point Peacewisher. I have heard Moazzam speak. He speaks with an authority I sometimes wish I had myself. I share neither his religion nor his enthusiasm to depose Assad, however bad Assad may be. It is not good for English Muslims to put their lives on the line in Syria or elsewhere for causes they may not fully understand. Nor is it good for English (British) soldiers to put their lives at risk for causes they may not fully understand.

  • Peacewisher

    I’ve just read his (last) article dated 27th January. Quite informative, and well written. He suggests that there are quite a number of terrorists groups working in Syria, not just ISIS. This would be useful to intelligence services. It might also be useful to the Syrian government. Who knows…?

  • John Goss

    “I have also contacted two groups. One is [email protected] from where I got a response from Shaun. The other is a local group involved in the cooperative movement.”

    should have read:

    I have also contacted two groups. One is [email protected] from where I got a response from Shaun. The other is a local group involved in the cooperative movement.

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