What Did You Expect? 693

I have no sympathy at all for anybody who voted No on the grounds of the pledges by Brown, Miliband, Cameron and Clegg about constitutional change, and is now whingeing about the blatant dishonour of those pledges. I cannot understand how anybody could be so stupid as to have believed them, and yet have a brain capable of sparking respiration.

Labour is interested in losing no influence of Scottish Labour MPs on any UK or English matters. It wants greater powers to English metropolitan councils which are controlled by Labour – because that will give Labour careerists more jobs and access to contracts. Those are Labours “constitutional reform” goals. The Conservatives “constitutional reform” goals are to keep Scotland’s tax on oil revenues and tax on whisky coming to Westminster, while loading greater responsibilities but no more money on the Scottish parliament, and stopping Scottish MPs voting on English matters thus guaranteeing conservative apparatchiks continued jobs and access to contracts.

Both Tories and Labour want to keep the appalling corrupt and undemocratic House of Lords for its jobs for apparatchiks, access to contracts etc.

Nobody cares what the Lib Dems think anyway.

I ask again – what did you expect?

This is the collective wisdom of Andy Myles and myself, over an excellent mackerel breakfast at Nom De Plume.

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  • Ben E. Geserit Muad'Dib Further Confounding Gender Speculators

    Peacewisher. Note that the inventor was the first victim of his own design.

    Personally, I think making him sleep in his own bed of cracker crumbs will suffice.

  • Peacewisher

    @Ishmael: Your analogy seems appropriate. But of course those on the other side of the door… terrified, but as wily as ever, will do their damnedest to avoid a second strike. They would be sensible to argue for a compromise that can keep the door intact but give those on the other side enough of what they desperately want.

  • Honeymog.

    We need to move into the 21st century with a new fair and positive constitutional framework for the UK.
    A framework common in many western democracies.
    We already have three national parliaments/Assemblies with various powers. They should all have equality.
    However the fourth unit is missing, England.
    It is unfair and discrimatory that England alone does not have the right to the limited self government of the other three.
    A parliament for England.
    Based in the Midlands or York.
    And like the three elected by PR.
    A Federal house at Westminster of several hundred MPs max as a second chamber and the abolition of the old boys and PC luxury retirement scam otherwise known as the House of Lords which should be abolished long after its use by date.
    It is a disgrace in this age of democracy.
    Forget ‘regional’ parliaments and the deliberate split up of England.
    One at least will become nothing more than a potential Kosovo.
    Immigrants groups will already be eyeing up the chances for pouring sufficient population into one particular area with the idea of becoming a ‘majority’.
    And demographics will be on their side.
    It is a risk we must not take.

  • BrianFujisan

    Why did Alex say this is it. A get it may have made some push harder, but I wonder if that’s really where he was coming from.

    It’s just a Phrase… Like Lets Do this… or Awright Baw Bag… Ect Ect

  • fred

    “After all that you need to wait 20 years or a lifetime? Is this not completely stupid, The ram is still in front of the gate. All the people are still about, what is there to wait for?”

    The majority don’t want the door knocking down. Most people don’t want division, conflict and hate. They want unity, harmony and co-operation.

    You are trying to push what you want on the people of Scotland against their will.

  • Ishmael

    Yea, guess i’m just thinking why present that as a sensible option to thoes who have alredy worked so hard. Knowing who is behind the door.

  • Ishmael

    “The majority don’t want the door knocking down. Most people don’t want division, conflict and hate. They want unity, harmony and co-operation.”

    So it’s not all about constructed fear, I beg to differ.

    Is there some crime in trying to convince people ?

    “division, conflict and hate”

    This is mostley a lie …By people who are actualy all about those things. Obviosley.

  • John Goss

    Resident Dissident, you’re getting there but you have not quite apologised. I am trying on my part and really want to accept a proper apology. Something like “I’m sorry John” will do.

  • fred


    The people have spoken, they want unity not division, evolution not devolution, peace not conflict.

  • Resident Dissident

    John, I apologise unreservedly for attributing views and opinions to yourself which were not your own while impersonating you last Saturday.

  • Ishmael

    What the hell are you on, some big brother trip?

    “The people have spoken” ?

    Yea lots of people spoke, and there was all kinds of motives.

    Obvious…The masses that said yes wanted conflict, with the nukes they where so keen to keep. OOOOOk then, whatever.

  • GeneralGiap


    There are regular posters here who lambast the public misogyny of certain small groups of Muslims in Britain . The Mainstream Press express their outrage ,and claim our ‘ values and laws ‘ are being insulted . Strangely their fellow fundamentalists public behaviour receives much less attention or condemnation .

  • John Goss

    Thank you Resident Dissident. I accept your apology in the spirit it was given.

    If I have hurt you, intentionally or not, now or in the past I apologise too.

  • fred

    “Obvious…The masses that said yes wanted conflict, with the nukes they where so keen to keep. OOOOOk then, whatever.”

    What you see as important they don’t. There haven’t been too many planes dropping bombs on Coventry since those bombs have been there and I haven’t heard of them harming anybody. How many people have them submarines on the Clyde killed? None. People would do more good protesting at Lossiemouth those planes killed a lot more people than the submarines ever did.

    Democracy is democracy. Are you with it or against it?

  • Peacewisher

    @Ishmael: Whatever happened to… Tracey Chapman. I’ll never forget watching her on TV for the Nelson Mandela concert at the old Wembley stadium. Wasn’t long before we got the album. Zeitgeist of 1988?

  • fred


    I couldn’t give a shit about your respect, it wouldn’t be worth much.

    Democracy, with it or against it?

  • lysias


    You forget you have to have a show trial before the execution.

    Another accusation of Stalinism? You really have an obsession about that, don’t you? Should tell you something about your other obsession about Holocaust denial.

  • Peacewisher

    @Ishmael: I thought she was going to become a black female version of Bob Dylan, but “Crossroads” seemed to about sum it up. Good two years though… before all those wars started again.

  • Ishmael

    “Good two years though… before all those wars started again.”

    Yea I seem to recall the lull, now you mention it. Nice times.

  • Tony M

    ————·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node (22 Sep, 2014 – 6:58 pm) wrote:

    “Our government had the ability, motive, track record and lack of morals to commit electoral fraud, therefore it is reasonable to explore such a possibility.”


    nigel (22 Sep, 2014 – 6:42 pm) wrote:

    “Listen-lets get this clear from the outset, there is NO WAY on gods earth that london will grant anyone on these islands but them, a penny from the whisky, oil, corp and personal taxation which presently wings its way southwards.”

    I would say it was imperative, self-evident that they did so, as without doing so, there is no way, absolutely none whatever, that they would have respected a Yes result. If the tampering had been insufficient and by some fluke Yes still squeaked it, they would have been forced to defy the result and face international condemnation, but Scotland would have been powerless to act on the peoples’ will.

    I hear the Renfrewshire count, at Paisley, was farcical, with no one having a clue what was going on as number crunching of unknown intermediate figures was done on laptops, though the arithmetic which could have not been much more than simple addition, was completely opaque to scrutineers. There are conflicting accounts around saying that Renfrewshire was a Yes win, but the televised announcement gave it to No, which was a surprise to many. Totally rotten borough btw.

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