More Establishment Hypocrisy 214


Those suddenly concerned about the European Arrest Warrant in Westminster last night were notably silent when it was used against Julian Assange, with a case that had more holes in it than a condom torn by Anna Ardin, the noted CIA agent.

Not only was the evidence against Assange not tested, the Supreme Court accepted that a Swedish prosecutor with a screaming political agenda was a “judicial authority”, despite her being neither a judge nor a court. That extraordinary ruling was itself dependent on two even more extraordinary false premises, directly stated in Lord Phillip’s judgement.

1) That the French term “autorites judiciaires” has a “wider meaning” than the English term “judicial authorities”. That is simply untrue.

2) That the French language version of the treaty is “authentic and original” and to be preferred to the English version. That is absolutely untrue – the different language versions are explicitly equal. That is a fundamental rule of EU (and UN)treaties, both of which I have personal experience of negotiating.

The bottom line being, if the Establishment wants to get you, it will, irrespective of the letter of the law.


214 thoughts on “More Establishment Hypocrisy

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  • ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    Brian: “Have you still got live feed, i thought it stopped.”

    It’s stopped now, but ESA did a final press conference before closing down, did their best to be upbeat but reading between the lines ….

    Actually, when you think about the moment the first signal reached mission control that Philae had landed, all those hugs and fist pumps, they must’ve had their fingers crossed even while they were doing them, it was far too early to tell what kind of a landing. There were so many politicos waiting in the wings that they probably had to announce success and then wait to see if it was true.

    Still, cameras working, lots of approach photos and telemetry to analyse, soft-landing on target, radio contact maintained throughout, not to mention actually rendezvousing with it in the first place, lots to be positive about.

  • BrianFujisan

    Lol aye, you’d think they had it all wrapped up at that point.. Whilst Knowing the odds… i wonder howmuch the surface itself had to do with landing – Harpoon fails…Too hard, or too soft, certainly a few seriously Solid High stacks about … timewill tell…Stunning Science just getting there right enough. 🙂

    P.s i meant moving at around 40,000 mph…it’s gaining speed in the chart i was watching, linked to above – still at 41,000 mph

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Squonk

    “Zero Hedge does have a Wikipedia page with some info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge
    _________________

    Fair enough. But is it not a little strange that its own website is so uninformative?

    It doesn’t have to be – Counterpunch, for example, puts its cards on the table.

    PS – hope you don’t mind beinbg addressed by a banned person! 🙂

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mary

    “The Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) has imposed fines totalling £1,114,918,000 on five banks for failing to control business practices in their G10 spot foreign exchange (FX) trading operations:

    Citibank N.A. £225,575,000
    HSBC Bank Plc £216,363,000
    JPMorgan Chase Bank N.A. £222,166,000
    Royal Bank of Scotland Plc £217,000,000
    UBS AG £233,814,000”
    ____________________

    Thank you for that info, which seems to prove that the system is capable of dealing with such rogues – does it not?

    Since you would never say it, I shall do it for you : BRAVO, FCA!

  • Kempe

    ” Watch the film Kempe before shooting your gob. It’s only two hours and twenty minutes long. What’s wrong with you? ”

    “Only” two hours and twenty minutes?

    An effective way of kicking the issue into the long grass of course.

  • Tim

    In case anyone is still interested in the topic:

    Arbed – correct it’s difficult. But how difficult is it to take judicial action against a judge anywhere? Judicial independence means that judges are heavily insulated and in the end it is only other judges who can exercise any form of discipline. Watch “Spiral” or Engregages in French to see how fellow judges can exercise group pressure on those who care about their career.

    N – the Prosecutor will normally leave low level crime to the police, but again part of being independent is that they can make their own decisions about which cases to get involved in. In particular if the prosecutor or examining magistrate decides that wider public policy issues are at stake.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    ““What are websites like this {ie, ZERO HEDGE}trying to hide and why?”
    ______________________________________

    More rambling from the clown, who couldn’t string a comment of his own together if his miserable life depended upon it”
    _______________

    Well, I think my comment – of which you only reproduce part, needless to say) – is actually my own.

    And, in that connection, note the illogicality of these two further comments from the Agent provocateur:

    “Maybe some day in the distant future, he will actually produce a constructive and informative comment of his own”

    and

    “Of course if he ever decided one day to post a link of his own, I’m sure we’d all be flabbergasted to say the least”.

    You’re really not very bright, are you, Republicofscotland. Are you Macky?

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mary

    You and your friends are losing it, aren’t you.

    When I post, you complain and ask for me to be banned.

    When I don’t, you still complain (and post away asking where I’ve gone).

    Anyway, I shall continue to post when I want and on what I want, your “exhortations and invitations” notwithstanding.

    Have a nice evening! 🙂

  • Mary

    The Resident Invigilator/Interrogator is talking out of his pointy hat yet again.

    From reading this article in the Economist on the previous Libor rate fixing scandal, one can ascertain today’s FCA fines are just a fleabite.

    ‘In 2007, for instance, the loss (or gain) that Barclays stood to make from normal moves in interest rates over any given day was £20m ($40m at the time). In settlements with the Financial Services Authority (FSA) in Britain and America’s Department of Justice, Barclays accepted that its traders had manipulated rates on hundreds of occasions.’

    The LIBOR scandal
    The rotten heart of finance
    A scandal over key interest rates is about to go global
    http://www.economist.com/node/21558281

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mary

    “From reading this article in the Economist on the previous Libor rate fixing scandal, one can ascertain today’s FCA fines are just a fleabite.”
    ____________________

    Interested to hear that you consider £1,1 billion a fleabite.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mary

    You see, posts like your “fleabite” comment just go to show that people like you are never satisfied.

    If no fine had been imposed, you would be bitching away.

    Since a fine has been imposed, you bitch away that it wasn’t enough.

    I suspect that no matter how much higher the fine might have been, you would still bitch away and say that it should have been higher still.

    This is why your rare original comments – when you are not simply cutting and pasting – can’t be taken seriously by anyone other than the Angry Brigade on here.

  • Republicofscotland

    Well my point is proven, the Habbitch, still hasn’t posted a link on this thread, yet, he, has the audacity to remark most times unfavourably about everyone else’s comments, of course his side kick Kempe, likes to add his tuppence worth of nonsense, as a kind of Habbitch back up.

    It really does beggar belief, why anyone would contemplate, taking, Habbitch seriously when he can’t even be bothered to create his own comments, outwith remarks of others or even provide a link.

    Its a clear cut case of all mouth and no substance.

  • Mary

    ‘Interested to hear that you consider £1,1 billion a fleabite.’

    Yes relative to the £trillions we hear they are dealing in.

    Dry up or find another blog to pollute.

    PS In this country, we write £1.1billion NOT £1,1 billion.

  • Mary

    What fun was had by the Israeli navy bullies.

    Israeli navy sinks Palestinian fishing boat off Gaza coast
    Forces open fire on fishermen near Rafah, destroying vessel more than 6 kilometers from shore as crew jumped overboard.
    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=739610

    and their bloody weapons continue to kill the Palestinians in Gaza including a little child.

    Palestinian injured as Israeli ordnance explodes in Gaza
    12/11/2014 18:50

    GAZA CITY (Ma’an) — A Palestinian man in Gaza was injured on Wednesday after Israeli ordnance exploded in Khan Younis, medics said. The man, identified only as M.A and said to be in his 20s, was taken to a hospital in the Khuzaa neighborhood with moderate injuries.

    Witnesses said he was removing rubble from a building destroyed during Israel’s summer military offensive when the explosion occurred.

    In October, four-year-old Muhammad Sami Abu Jrad was killed after he touched an unexploded Israeli ordnance in northern Gaza.
    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=739521

  • Mary

    Criminal probe into bankers who rigged foreign exchange markets after five of world’s biggest banks are fined record £2billion RBS, HSBC, JPMorgan Chase, UBS and Citibank fined in UK and U.S.
    Barclays will also be fined but they are still negotiating their punishment
    Bankers were rigging the £3.5trillion-a-day foreign exchange markets
    Anyone found guilty of manipulating the Forex market could face jail

    30 traders have been sacked or suspended but none have been arrested
    Bankers colluded on forums to share information on clients to make cash
    Traders called themselves the A-Team, Three Musketeers and The Players
    Messages on forums bragged about making ‘free money’ and bonuses

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2831108/Five-world-s-banks-fined-2BN-rigging-foreign-exchange-markets-prosecuted.html

  • Resident Dissident

    “You trying to suggest that human rights abuse in Cuba is far worse than US human rights abuse at Guantanamo Bay is laughable.

    I have been to Cuba a number of times and seen that the main problem there is economic – a problem which can be directly attributed to the US blockade of almost 55 years.”

    Deaths in custody at Guantanamo Bay = 8

    Political executions under Castro – per the respected historian Hugh Thomas – around 5000
    Per Scorgie’s holiday recollections (backed up by his fellow dupe) – to say worse than at Guantanamo is laughable.

    And I’m the one the delusional dupes accuse of lying!

  • Resident Dissident

    What’s a putting shilling ResDis?

    What you get with auto correct from “Putin shilling” – only the stupid take kopecks (remember Habba’s sound advice on currency speculation!)

  • Resident Dissident

    ““This is just your typical Stalinist if you are not with us you are against us game.”
    ……………

    Stalinist!? I can’t find any quote from Stalin saying that but:”

    I attributed the behaviour to Mr Goss and Stalin – not the quotation

    Of course if you look in Wikipedia you will find that the original quote came from Lenin, and was also repeated by Mussolini and Kadar as well as Clinton and Bush. Scorgie and Goss may well wish to be members of that club – but I don’t think I will be joining.

  • Resident Dissident

    More lies from Goss

    “I recall a long session of your support for that US gulag of criminality.”

    Where – my objection was to the ridiculous comparison with the Soviet Gulag – that is not the same as support except in your deluded world of if you are not with us you are against us.

    ““Defending the agent who bared all to ensnare a good man.”

    Where?”

    In opposing my criticism of the fact that Anna Ardin wrote a thesis, funded by CIA assets, questioning anti-Castro groups in Cuba.”

    I don’t comment on Anna Ardin or the CIA or anti Castro groups – I commented on your comparison between Guantanamo and the human rights abuses under Castro. More of the if you are not with us then you are against us delusion I’m afraid.

    “The most despicable claim of yours “No wonder he was unable to express support for Solidarity and other free trade unions in the Soviet bloc” is the lowest plumbing to which anyone can sink without proof. Where is it?”

    I asked the question here having read a number of mealy mouth comments about how Poland at least had its own government when in the Soviet bloc.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/09/wisdom-from-poland/#comment-480313

    A Reply is still outstanding

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mary

    “Criminal probe into bankers who rigged foreign exchange markets after five of world’s biggest banks are fined record £2billion”
    ___________________

    Yes, I heard that on the BBC4 news broadcast at 22h00 GMT.

    So the fine has gone up from £1,1 billion to over £2 billion.

    Does that make it two “fleabites”?

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mary

    Another example of the dangers of cutting and pasting and not really understanding what you’re talking about:

    “‘Interested to hear that you consider £1,1 billion a fleabite.’

    Yes relative to the £trillions we hear they are dealing in.””

    and

    “Bankers were rigging the £3.5trillion-a-day foreign exchange markets”

    _____________________

    You see, Mary, you are calling the £2+ billion in fines a “fleabite” because you are (inadvertently, out of the said ignorance) comparing those fines to the daily turnover – by all banks, by the way – on the forex markets. You are comparing chalk and cheese.

    Before you start bitching on about the “fleabite” nature of the fines, you should find out the profits the banks concerned (and only those banks) made out of their rigging of the markets. Those profits cannot, by definition, be anywhere near the £3,5 trillion a day market turnover you mention.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    Mary

    To understand my previous post, you need to understand the difference between turnover and profit on turnover.

    Do you?

  • John Goss

    “I don’t comment on Anna Ardin or the CIA or anti Castro groups – I commented on your comparison between Guantanamo and the human rights abuses under Castro. More of the if you are not with us then you are against us delusion I’m afraid.”

    No but that’s the point. That is what this thread is about, Assange and Anna Ardin. It is not about distractions, which you love so much, to divert attention from the fact that Anna Ardin is a CIA agent. So I ask again, and please try to remain on topic, don’t you think that a good researcher, if only to disarm potential critics, would have mentioned the notorious prison of torture and abuse at Guantanamo Bay?

  • Mary

    As if that information is available!

    The difference between turnover and profit is perfectly understood. Strange to use these terms in reference to criminal activities though but perhaps that is normal practice1 in your country.

    The fine expressed as £2billion includes the American fine as you well know.

    Push off.

  • Mary

    Why aren’t crooked bankers in prison? As our banks are fined £2bn for fixing currency rates, clamour grows for dozens of traders to face prosecution RBS, HSBC, JPMorgan Chase, UBS and Citibank fined in UK and U.S.
    Barclays bank will also be fined but it is still negotiating its punishment
    Bankers were rigging the £3.5trillion-a-day foreign exchange markets
    Anyone found guilty of manipulating the Forex market could face jail
    30 traders have been sacked or suspended but none have been arrested
    Bankers colluded on forums to share information on clients to make cash
    Traders called themselves the A-Team, Three Musketeers and The Players
    Messages on forums bragged about making ‘free money’ and bonuses
    By James Salmon, Daily Mail Banking Correspondent
    13 November 2014

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2832260/Why-aren-t-crooked-bankers-prison-banks-fined-2bn-fixing-currency-rates-clamour-grows-dozens-traders-face-prosecution.html

  • Resident Dissident

    “No but that’s the point. That is what this thread is about, Assange and Anna Ardin.”

    So why did you say “For all Castro’s faults is not Guantanamo Bay the biggest crime on the island?”? To which I responded with a clear and supported answer

    The usual hypocrisy from Mr Goss I’m afraid.

  • Resident Dissident

    “I ask again, and please try to remain on topic, don’t you think that a good researcher, if only to disarm potential critics, would have mentioned the notorious prison of torture and abuse at Guantanamo Bay?”

    Given the subject of the 2007 thesis “The Cuban multi-party system. Is the democratic alternative really democratic and an alternative after the Castro regime?” – short answer No – Guantanamo has little to do with that subject. But I suppose that someone whose standard practice with regard to the Soviet Union is to offer apologia for the abuses that occurred and then blame the US of worse crimes might take a different view.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Why aren’t crooked bankers in prison?

    Because the crooked system doesn’t work without them. And if you think blowing economic bubbles and having to bail out the perpetrators periodically means that the system doesn’t work anyway, think again. Cui bono?

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