Destruction of Evidence 217

This Greville Janner interview has simply disappeared from the website of the Holocaust Educational Trust, “founding patron” Greville Janner, and from other such websites which used to host it. I can only now find it on my own blog and on a few places which copied it from my blog. It is an important interview for reasons which are very obvious if you read it.

I was taken up to the Kinderheim, to the Children’s Home, where there were some sixty orphan children, most of whose lives had been saved by monasteries, by being out in the woods or by miracles in each case and they all spoke Yiddish and I didn’t speak Yiddish and it was very difficult to talk to them but we knew some of the same songs so we sang together in Hebrew they knew and I knew the songs and then one of them said to me the first Yiddish words I’ve ever learnt , he said “Gavreal”, which is Greville in Hebrew and (he) called me “Gavreal spishtie ping pong, ping pong” and he pushed back and forwards as though he was holding a ping pong bat so my first words in Yiddish were “ping pong” and I played Ping Pong with them and they taught me a few words of Yiddish and I found it such a moving experience that for the next eighteen months I went back to them every weekend

The deletion is not acknowledged – the evidence has simply been quietly expunged. The irony of the Holocaust Educational Trust, which exists to keep alive the evidence of a dreadful crime, expunging evidence of crime which it finds inconvenient, does not need to be emphasised by me.

Janner’s being Jewish was irrelevant to his being a paedophile. So was his being a Zionist. But he was not just any old Zionist. He was the acknowledged leader of Zionism in the UK. He was President of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, Vice President of the World Jewish Congress, he was Vice President of the Association for Jewish Youth, Vice President of the Jewish Leadership Council, President of the Association of Jewish Ex-Servicemen and Women, on the Advisory Board of the Community Security Trust, Chairman of the Holocaust Educational Trust and Director of the United Jewish Israel Appeal.

These organisations were led by a man who was a predatory paedophile, yet they apparently feel no necessity to condemn his activities or to acknowledge what has happened, merely secretly deleting any particularly embarrassing references. It is like the attitude of the Catholic Church on paedophilia thirty years ago.

David Cameron, echoed by the corporate media, calls upon the millions of law-abiding Muslims in the UK to denounce and distance themselves from a few terrorist nutters with whom 99.99% of British Muslims have no connection anyway. That apparently is acceptable. But to ask that the Zionist and Jewish organisations denounce the long term criminal activities of the man who actually led those organisations, is portrayed as unacceptable racism.

This is a stinking double standard.

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217 thoughts on “Destruction of Evidence

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  • GideonsCokeAndYoureBroke

    “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”


    That’s me wrapped up here. All the best Craig. Please continue to pressure for the prosecution of Lord Janner for crimes against children.


  • OldMark

    ‘He is also Welsh, but ya know what? Not once have I heard the Welsh apologise for Greville Janner’

    Becky Cohen, that is nonsense on stilts- as I’m sure you now realise. His father, Barnett Janner, may have been an adopted Welshman, but the family moved to Hendon when baby Greville was barely a year old-,_Baron_Janner

    The nationality test you have misapplied to Greville Janner would have some very strange results if it were applied more widely. By your reckoning, for instance, the great New York Jewish comedian Henny Youngman would count as an ‘English Jew’!

  • Herbie

    I’m not sure we need Zionism to explain paedophilia in the UK.

    There’s a long history of it in these parts.

    Almost compulsory, at one point.

    In idealist terms at least.

    The Greek thing.

    It’s worth stressing again that what we ought to be interested in here, in political terms at least, is the coverup, and why.

    The institutional involvement.

    Thankfully, that’s the approach all these brave people are following, those who uncovering the evidence and planting it firmly in the public domain.

    Best wishes to them.

    It’s quite a turnaround from even a few years ago.

  • David S

    The interview you reference and which you earlier linked to on the Holocaust Memorial Day website may well have been removed, but as that site now demands login credentials to access that link, who knows.

    Furthermore if you use the built-in search on the Holocaust Educational Trust website to search for Janner you come up with precisely zero results. So they have indeed airbrushed him out of their picture.

    However there are sometimes ways and means for us plebs to verify things for ourselves, and this is one of them.

    Here is the snapshot taken in March of this year by the Internet Archive of the
    Holocaust Memorial Day version of said interview.

    But don’t bank on it staying there forever. Save it.

  • Jives


    Ive got the deepest of respect for you,this blog and all youve fought against this last decade or so…but..

    I cant accept this post…whether Assange or Janner all of us are entitled to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

    Im in the strange position of agreeing with posters or trolls i normally hold in disdain but in this situation i cant disagree.

    The essence of our judicial system must remain the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

  • glenn_uk

    Jives: You might note that CM is not actually responsible for carrying out sentence on anyone here. Is your belief in the utter wholesomeness and honesty of our state justice apparatus really that child-like? Whatever the state deems to be true or not, that is what it must be – seriously?

  • Mary

    Meanwhile, within the entity the Palestinians more of what’s left of their freedom.

    Church-run Schools in Israel Face “Death Sentence”
    by Jonathan Cook / June 29th, 2015

    Israel is seeking to bring dozens of church-run schools under government control, a move that community leaders have warned will curb the last vestiges of educational freedom for the country’s large Palestinian minority.

    Most of the 47 schools, which are among the highest-achieving in Israel, were established by Christian orders more than 100 years ago, before Israel’s creation in 1948.

    Today, they are among the few independent schools catering to Israel’s community of 1.5 million Palestinian citizens, who make up one-fifth of the population. The schools are attended by about 33,000 children – some 5 percent of the Palestinian school-age population – and employ 3,000 teachers.


    Wonder what church leaders here including Welby will have to say? Zero. Zilch.

  • Mary

    Meanwhile, within the entity the Palestinians LOSE more of what’s left of their freedom.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    A cover-up by self-definition implies guilt does it not ?

    It implies it, yes. So does a Sun headline. If we live under the rule of law, the law is the arbiter. (Not Rupert Murdoch, Paul Dacre or anyone else making shedloads from the story) The law must be impartial. Which is not to say I don’t think there’s smoke without fire, or that the allegations have not been handled abominably badly from the start, or that Janner is a thoroughly slimy POS in his own right. The fact remains that Janner has even now not been charged with anything, still less convicted. Innocent until proven guilty.

  • nevermind

    far too many apologists here for Janners past, some serious Angst shining through some of these comments, already pointing out that a look at the whole communities quiet acquiescence and support for this man would be tantamount to racism.

    Janners victims might want to understand/Know why and who covered up his filthy crimes, regardless of whether they are Jewish or not.

    To already shut the door on the community which actually might be equally appalled at his crimes, but who harbored this criminal, some no doubt knowingly, is obstructing the course of judgement.

    @Habby. You sing too much propaganda, what off the 300 killed in Syria this last weekend, I’m making this point to show you how your very own diversion on this blog has worked for some time now.
    I repeat, those who travel to ‘ghetto resorts’ , i.e. those holding pens for tourists that like to roast themselves in the sun, get pissed and don’t do much else bar a couple of sightseeing tours, are MAGNETS, big fat juicy targets to terrorists. Don’t do it in places where you are likely to encounter rebellious forces.

    At what time in point are we going to talk to ISIS and its Saudi/Qartari handlers and paymasters? When are we going to restrict Saudi banking in London and the other British offshore havens? And what of the stinking, Slavery world cup? Will it happen if another 100 Pakistani/Bangladeshi’s die due to bad H&S?

    Moreover can Quatar keep its own terrorists off the juicy targets they are inviting to the world cup?

  • Ishmael

    Jives. Seems it’s attitudes like that keep all these things suppressed. This is not a court of law this is a group of people and I don’t presume him guilty in this way.

    Just as I may see blood dripping from some random guy coming out of a shed. I don’t know what really happed in the shed, Really I don’t, and am not about to go rounding up a Lynch mob. Though you imagine someone like Tony Blair, the public justice and pressure he get’s is at least something. And maybe this in itself will lead to more accountability…

    Anyway back to the shed, though the guy may be a police officer, or he looked like some kind of official. I should just report what i’v seen and the state will work perfectly?

    …When are people or press, informal or otherwise allowed to discuss things like this? It’s clear to me it depends who it is, state interest’s etc. Nobody batted an eyelid about Assange, and the official press even referred to him as “charged” in one or more of the numerous articles about him. Clearly manipulating the public mind to the impression they no doubt want to instill. And it was us who had to keep correcting them.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    I’m assuming Janner will die quite soon, much like Leon Brittan. These chaps must take their secrets to the grave.

    This may well be the assumption of those who need to suppress his alleged activities*. Expect the maximum obfuscation.

    * Whether they happened or not. The media/public assumption is that half the political establishment spent half its time buggering children. But even if this were wholly untrue, there are powerful reasons for sitting on a case of this sort. Fear of association with the crime, defence of a colleague, fear of wholly unrelated but dodgy dealings coming to light…and if there are skeletons in Establishment cupboards, Janner undoubtedly knows whose.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    …or that Janner is a thoroughly slimy POS in his own right.

    Oops. I meant of course that I don’t think that Janner isn’t a thoroughly slimy POS in his own right. He is, and that much is well documented.

  • nevermind

    I’m assuming Janner will die quite soon, much like Leon Brittan. These chaps must take their secrets to the grave.

    ‘These chaps’ ‘the done thing’ ‘fell on his sword’, the metaphors are plenty and it helps to shut up the media when the accused have died.

    Nobody alluded to Britain chasing a boy naked through the streets when he was looking all pale, did they, so the death solution works and it must provide one hell of a lever to the MI’s.

    ‘Shut up, or….’

  • Ishmael

    “This is not a court of law this is a group of people”

    Well, actually. 🙂 It’s more like a small clique, doesn’t have much public interaction or opinions. And I don’t expect it’s growing in this respect…With the Fasces “bundle” getting tightened of late, Guardian is more inviting to the public.


  • Krief

    I find the whole “people must make statements” thing distasteful. Like politicians getting wheeled out to ‘issue statements’ after any disaster, when the most sensitive thing to do would be to shut up.

    I’m also not comfortable with organisations having to publicly ‘condemn’ their members for whatever. It just looks too much like moral tokenism. Obviously if whatever the bad thing they have done is in relation to the organisation, it makes sense (i.e. rabid anti-homosexual found in bed with male prostitute). But I don’t think that the Walmendsley Philatelic Collective has to issue a public condemnation of one of their members for robbing a bank, though they may want to avoid having him as treasurer.

    That said, I do believe that it is *helpful* when Muslims condemn jihadists, because it helps to push back against the prevailing suspicion which abounds in the media. But I *don’t* think that it’s a moral obligation or that not doing so proves that they’re complicit.

  • Macky

    Jives; “I cant accept this post…whether Assange or Janner all of us are entitled to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.”

    Firstly this is an absurd comparison; on the one hand we have a man who over a few days trip to Sweden was targeted by State agencies with a classic honey trap, and on the other we have a man who has for decades has had very serious allegations made against him; the telling commonality in both cases is that the respective normal due processes HAVE BOTH been repeated interfered with by State agencies, one to secure charges against, and the other to avoid any charges being made.

    Further, does the fact the Jimmy Saville never had his day in court to argue his side, or say that Tony Blair never does have his day in court, mean that they should be not be regarded as guilty of their obvious crimes ?

    This naive blind faith in the UK Justice System is quite amazing, you only have to consider the many miscarriages of justice, some politically motivated, in our very recent past, and to further consider that these were just the cases where the Justice System was perverted to ensure convictions, as the perversions in the other direction to prevent convictions of the powerful is surely on a much greater scale.

    Feel a song coming on !

    “Couldn’t help but make me feel ashamed to live in a land
    Where justice is a game”

  • Macky

    Ishmael; “How many people go on about this as a “Free country”? since I was a child. Have you no shame. Self inflicted blindness on a mass scale. It’s not like it’s new here is it.”

    Of course it’s a “Free country”, because we have the “Truth”, and the “Truth shall make us Free !”;

  • Ishmael

    “I’m also not comfortable with organisations having to publicly ‘condemn’ their members for whatever.”

    How about just talk about it. Should they not?

    “That said, I do believe that it is *helpful* when Muslims condemn jihadists”

    Yea, Your not alone in this. As if religion as practiced by real people is anything like institutions.

  • Ishmael

    “That said, I do believe that it is *helpful* when Muslims condemn jihadists, because it helps to push back against the prevailing suspicion which abounds in the media”

    Hang on, doesn’t it help “prevailing suspicion which abounds in the media”, connecting Muslims to jihadi groups. ?

  • Mark Golding

    DPP Alison Saunders got it wrong imo; her decision not to prosecute has brought the criminal justice system into disrepute.

    It was a callous, uncaring decision, that didn’t take into account the alleged victims in this case and the British public interest.

    Sadly there are only three incongruous outcomes from a trial of facts; a hospital order, a supervision order or an absolute discharge.

    Bugger the children – who cares eh?

  • Ishmael


    BBC “objectivity”. I love it when ‘leftist’ go on like that also. “facts are sacred” or whatever pontificating they like to do about truth.

    “Facts are simple and facts are straight.
    Facts are lazy and facts are late.
    Facts all come with points of view.
    Facts don’t do what I want them to.
    Facts just twist the truth around.
    Facts are living turned inside out.
    Facts are getting the best of them.
    Facts are nothing on the face of things.
    Facts don’t stain the furniture.
    Facts go out and slam the door.
    Facts are written all over your face.
    Facts continue to change their shape…
    I’m still waiting….”

    -Talking Heads, Crosseyed and Painless

  • OldMark

    ‘The media/public assumption is that half the political establishment spent half its time buggering children.’

    Also Komodo, last year the media pretty well assumed that half of all ‘TV personalities’ prominent in the 70s were having their wicked way with underage girls (or boys, in the case of Cliff Richard). Now that particular hype has died down you discover that in fact this meant one guy(DLT) turned out to be simply a serial groper/sexual opportunist, and that two others (Harris & Stuart Hall) were guilty as charged on SOME of the counts they faced. All of the others named as assisting plod with his enquiries (Tarbuck, Davidson, Freddie Starr etc.)have not been proceeded with, as the evidence against them didn’t pass an elementary smell test.

    The evidence against Janner must therefore be tested in court- as the CPS now belatedly understands.

    BTW Anna Raccoon (who very much kept a level head during the post Savile hysteria) has a good post up today on how the CPS now spins the facts about recorded sexual violence to suit the agendas of assorted axe grinders-

  • Ishmael

    PPS @Krief.

    It’s really an astounding thing what Blair did considering. Not only was the condemnation from Muslims expected, but it was ‘not strong enough’. They called on Muslims to hang themselves in the media. And the media goes along associating in this way.

    “Muslim terrorists”

    You could not make it up.

  • Ishmael

    Or was it Cameron who said this?…Also?, Can’t recall, They all blend into one for me.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Thanks as usual, Old Mark. Agree wholeheartedly. However, given the Saunders affair ( memories! – ), I think that justice in this case would have to involve a full and independent test of Janner’s mental capacity. Evidence against him almost certainly exists, and we do not want to see him being the second person in history to recover from Alzheimer’s.

    NB, Gerald Ronson, alleged in the link to have advised Saunders to sham dementia, is, like Janner (used to be? – see above) a member and trustee of the Jewish Leadership Council, and chairman of the Community Security Trust, the UK Jewish community’s private police force. Ronson is also a major Tory donor, a service for which which he, er, didn’t, er, receive the CBE in 2012 – despite a criminal record.

    There’s more than a hint that this might be relevant.

  • Ishmael

    Mark, you might be forgiven the sentiment, but for me a whole page of writing about geo political machinations is enough to keep me off here a bit…I thank you for it.

    ‘He’s’ had a lot of comparatively favorable contestations with ‘the west’ it seem to me.

    “loyal” …*sigh*, get a life already, respectfully.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Here, peripherally, is Cameron addressing the CST, Gerald Ronson’s creation, of which Janner is/was recently on the Board of Advisors. Just after Charlie Hebdo. Sick bag essential:

    My main difficulty is with imagining the patriotic, empathetic Cameron presented here addressing any gathering of UK Muslims, who outnumber the Jewish community 10:1, on any similar occasion, in anything like the same terms. The connectedness is blatant.

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