This is the official Turkish radar track of the Russian aircraft they shot down, in red. It briefly transited a tiny neck of Turkish land – less than two miles across where the Russian jet passed – twice. I calculate that each “incursion” over Turkish territory would have lasted about 10 seconds, assuming the plane was flying slowly at 600mph. That Turkey shot down the plane for this is madness, and absolutely indefensible. It is fairly obvious from the track that the plane was operating against Turkish sponsored Turkmen rebels inside Syria, and that is why the Turks shot it down.
But the inescapable conclusion is that the true madness would be for the UK to get involved in Syria and make a complex and volatile situation still worse, and risk being dragged into wider conflict.
Craig; Be sure to thank Hab for his worthy contributions. They are invaluable. 🙂
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“@Habbabkuk – “I’m sure that you would deny it if you thought you has the slightest chance of getting away with your denial.”
Obnoxious little Zionazi, aren’t you? I tell you, I wouldn’t let you post on my blog. You’d be out on your Nazi ear’ole. And that’s the last I’ll be saying to you.”
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A little touchy today, are you?
I’m impressed by what you say but since it’s Craig’s blog and not yours it’s just hot air and gesture from you, isn’t it.
And now get back to playing with yourself. 🙂
‘This is the worst time for society to go on psychopathic autopilot’
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/frankie-boyle-fallout-paris-psychopathic-autopilot
“The trolls prefer the christian persecutor edrogan to putin. Heh. They’ll throw their own under the bus to get to Assad.”
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Oh, Ben’s gone all Christian! Halleluja, halleluja.
“The leaflet drops are justified under the premise that the oil tanker drivers might be civilians and not ISIS recruits, although it’s an explanation that doesn’t wash with critics.”
They are civilians. ISIS doesn’t run a haulage business, they sell the oil at the head to tribesmen who then transport it and sell it at a big profit. The tribesmen aren’t exactly amateur smugglers.
NATO rattling their sabers/
http://news.yahoo.com/nato-close-contact-turkey-russian-jet-downed-115005147.html;_ylt=A0SO81I9iVRWE9YAI4xXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTExM2Jia211BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDREZENl8xBHNlYwNzYw–
It’s hilarious to watch.
This story has really got the Eminences, Old Trolls and West-haters into overdrive, hasn’t it.
Who will be the first to blow a gasket for real?
The competition is stiff, but I’d put my money on the Californian dope-head.
Oh it has contact dermititis and is a little out of sorts. Itchy Bitchy.
Sheer hypocrisy: the Turks constantly violate Greek airspace.
Wrong to bring up Christianity, but OK to call people “anti-Western”?
How the British Screwed Up the Middle East, in 10 Classic Cartoons
http://mic.com/articles/91071/how-the-british-screwed-up-the-middle-east-in-10-classic-cartoons#.ArznxY3Et
You have blown all your gaskets long ago, Habby.
Guardian update;
1m ago
11:15
Russian plane ‘acting against militants’ originating from Russia’
More from the Russian defence ministry, which follows Putin’s comments that the Russian jet was taking action against militants originally from Russia.
“The Russian operations were against illegal terrorist formations mainly made up of fighters from Russia’s North Caucasus region… Attempts by Russian defence ministry specialists to make emergency contact with their Turkish counterparts were unsuccessful… The ministry is currently working out a range of measures to react to this kind of incident… Military operations against terrorists in Syria will continue.”
A lot of masturbation and ejaculation references in this afternoon’s troll output. Most unpleasant. Something on his mind?
Obsessed with ‘cream’…..it would have to be envy.
Ben “Bull-dyke” Outraged, etc
“Craig; Be sure to thank Hab for his worthy contributions. They are invaluable. :)”
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Yet another of your little digs against Craig, eh?
You’ve had something against our host ever since he once wounded your over-inflated ego by telling you you were talking nonsense.
If you’re still feeling resentful, why don’t you stay with Squonk – or better still, find an American blog you can infest?
Perhaps he left the order still standing after he scrapped through the election.
Turkish blogger warned Erdogan wanted to shoot down a Russian plane to provoke a conflict with Russia
Erdogan wants to provoke a conflict between Turkey and Russia
According to a popular Turkish blogger this should help him in his election campaign and save him from possible defeat and the end of his political career
Turkey’s President Erdogan is planning to shoot down Russian planes in Syria, to put relations between Russia and Turkey to the brink of war. This should help him in his election campaign and save him from possible defeat and the end of his political career. A Turkish blogger, known under the name Fuat Avni came out with this troubling warning. He has been active for several years, and his denunciations of government’s plans often turn out to be true.
Our sources in Turkey believe that Erdogan out of a well-founded fear of defeat is ready to plunge his country into a state of war hysteria, shooting down Russian planes in the skies of Syria under the pretext that they violated the Turkish airspace.
http://fortruss.blogspot.ru/2015/11/turkish-blogger-warned-erdogan-wanted.html
Mallinson
“Sheer hypocrisy: the Turks constantly violate Greek airspace.”
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Already said at the beginning of the thread (11h15).
Do keep up.
The lead-up.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-condemns-attack-on-syrian-turkmen-village-summons-russian-envoy-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=91459&NewsCatID=352
That sad case is hungry, and the subconscious is a powerful thing..
Once again trying to drive people away from this forum.
Is that not the behavior of a troll?
‘Heckler’ sums it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler
Havasack and anon should be referred to as Heckle and Jeckle
Heckle and Jeckle the legendary magpies.
24 November 2015 20:02 Russia Response to Turkey Downing Russian Su-24:
When Turkey shot down a Russian military aircraft on Tuesday, Moscow’s response was quick: not only did it confirm the fact that it was a Russian plane, but also started spitting angry statements that the Turkish move was “dangerous escalation.”
Three Scenarios
– See more at: http://en.alalam.ir/news/1763047?#sthash.NuYonHDJ.dpuf
Very often I agree with Craig but this time the headline is a little misleading.
I don’t think SCR 2249 gives Turkey a right to unilaterally redraw its borders any more than it gives a right for Turkey to enforce a no-fly zone of its own making.
Russia doesn’t have to attack Turkey, all it has to do is to supply the PKK Kurdish rebels inside Turkey.
RT: Russian plane was 1 km from Turkish border. Which, if true, would put the plane in the border area that Turkey has claimed.
Lysias; Who should be more worried about gas pipelines and supply to Turkey?
Russia or Turkey?
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/nato-well-protect-turkey-if-isis-battle-spills-over-syria-n219361
NATO will stand by member state Turkey if it comes under attack as a result of the fighting just across the border in Syria, alliance Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said on Monday. ISIS militants on Monday raised their flag on the eastern outskirts of the Syrian town of Kobani, six miles from Turkish territory. Stray fire from fighting around the town has hit Turkish land.