Outrageous to Criticise Pharisees, Says Archbishop 34

The Archbishop of Enterprise Oil, Justin Welby, has explained that it is outrageous to criticise Pharisees who have a natural concern to maintain a very sensitive religious hierarchy. We also need to listen and pay due respect to the view of money-changers who would suffer severe dislocation if arrangements for conducting their legitimate business were to be subject to any violent disruption. It is, he added, perfectly natural and must not be condemned for decent people to be concerned to halt any possible influx of bloody foreigners.

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34 thoughts on “Outrageous to Criticise Pharisees, Says Archbishop

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  • John Goss

    Would appreciate a source link to enable fair criticism. What exactly did he say? I’ve missed this. The head of his church upended the tables of the money-changers and criticised them for turning his father’s house into a den of thieves. It is very bad monkey-business if the Primate seeks to challenge God on this teaching.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    While Welby is inherently pro-business, and pro-hierarchy, and as establishment as all-get-out, the fact remains that mass immigration (as facilitated by that arch-revolutionary, Tony Blair) is at least as much to the advantage of business as to its disadvantage. Cheap labour is always attractive for businesses. I think his opinion recognises the deep unease felt by a probable majority of those living here already that (a) our housing and social infrastructure is under extreme pressure already (b) there are only so many jobs in this economy and (c) – on the liberal side – it would be far better not to promote wars abroad which drive refugee flows.

    Call me a bastard – better men than you have – but I really fail to see why the man in the street has any moral obligation to provide Ethiopians with shelter while the number of rough sleepers who were born here doubled last year.

  • craig Post author


    It is not either or. There is more than enough wealth in this country for nobody to be homeless. The problem is the distribution of wealth.

  • John Goss

    I’m sure a link suddenly appeared on bloody foreigners that was not there before, because I looked for it. Naturally I cannot share his views on this any more than I could share his views on petrodollars being the fruit of all good!

  • Ba'al Zevul

    The problem is the distribution of wealth.

    Until those distributing it unequally – down to the relatives of the presidents of several African countries – can be induced to change their ways, there’s very little point in occupying that particular moral high point. The problem will persist, and as those with initiative and enough capital to pay the people smugglers are sucked out of those countries, get worse. I would also like to see some guarantees for the poorest presently here before extending a leg-up to the aspirants of other countries. This might involve redistribution our own wealth a bit. Up for that?

  • craig Post author


    You are not cracking up. It didn’t work the first time!

    Ba’al I don’t agree with your views but you are perfectly entitled to hold them. What anybody cannot do with any intellectual honesty is pretend that Welby’s view reflects the teaching of Jesus Christ.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    I have it on good anecdotal evidence from a man in the pub that 90% of C of E vicars are atheists, Craig…

  • Loony

    There is very little wealth in the UK. There is however a giant asset bubble fueled by money printing and zero interest rates. The UK is operating a gigantic ponzi scheme. A scheme that for the time being is being prevented from collapse by the exercise of raw power. No matter the depth of these machinations all ponzi schemes collapse always and everywhere.

    The only question is will the UK (and its obese friend the US) collapse relatively peacefully like Zimbabwe or will it launch a major war claiming that the defense of gay rights justifies the complete destruction of the planet.

  • giyane

    The Reverend who married us first time was an ex-tycoon like Welby, formerly head of an academic publishing house. He asked for a bottle of whiskey for his services.

    Perhaps you’d like to send Welby a crate of the stuff for services to neo-cons.
    Looks like Obama doesn’t like Teflon Dave non=sticking all the shit about Libya onto himself. Hollande’s probably even worse.

  • Ba'al Zevul

    Loony – emphatically agree. Worse, market capitalism relies on big busts (Viz alert). Also it relies on the illusory entity called growth. This is measured by the total value of all transactions taking place in an economic system, such as a country. Doesn’t matter what the transactions are, though it is incidentally important that they involve a big helping of debt. If we spent our lives selling each other shares in dogshit, that would still be a component of growth. More people, therefore = economic growth. Growth is good (for hedge funds), therefore more people must be good.

    Actually, I’m surprised Welby didn’t spot this and change his mind.

  • Loony

    I am not aware that Jesus Christ expressed any views regarding over population of the planet or regarding epochal mass migration.

    Given global population levels and rates of growth people in favor of mass migration need to explain how many people a country (say the UK) can accommodate. Is it 100 million or 1 billion or 2 billion or more. Whatever the answer is – why is it that answer and not some other answer.

    Where are people in the UK going to get food from? The answer is they will take it from other countries thus further impoverishing other countries and contributing to the feedback loop of ever more immigration.

    As Orwell said some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals could believe them.

  • Marcus

    They dumped them all in Middlesbrough and Stockton. That religious chap (for all I despise people like him) has probably been listening to normal people expressing their concerns, Craig. Something you never do (unless there’s some glory in it).

    I know you don’t care Craig, after all the whole borough is just full of simple-minded racists eh (unlike Scotland and the independence movement). People couldn’t possibly be genuinely concerned about the lack of funding from the south, the Steel industry dying along with the chemical industry.. the sudden, crushing, relentless “diversity” being pushed on everyone whether they like it or not. It’s because.. well.. racism. Stupidity. Lack of… class?

    There are no jobs here. The streets they have been moved to have been run down over the last few decades (they’ll be even worse now). I guess a housing organisation bought some of them and allowed the rest to crumble, maybe so they could buy the others for a better price. Who knows. Something stinks. As usual the north east of England gets a kick in the nuts.

    I have to wonder if the Scottish Independence vote is just to divide northern Britain up so it can’t fight back against the South. I also wonder if the watering down of the local population is part of the divide and conquer strategy too. That would make you part of it Craig. I really do wonder… either you’re barking mad, completely clueless, or maybe just a liar.

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    The Archbishop is quite correct.

    Let’s use the word correctly, shall we Craig, and not in the way it’s used on here by the likes of Mr Goss and others: to be a racist is to believe in the innate superiority of one race over another (or the innate inferiority of one race against another).

    To be worried about the social and economic effects of large-scale immigration – or even to dislike or fear, on a personal level, a change in the prevalent local “culture” – is not to be racist.

  • Clark

    Blatant deflection operation by the Daily Mail. Which of the following routinely stokes up fear of immigrabts – Justin Welby or the Daily Mail?

  • Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)

    The opening of Cabinet papers under the 30 year rule has shown that some Ministers – reacting to pressure from certain local MPs – were worried about the effects of immigration from the then Empire as long ago as during the Atlee govts.

    But those govts – and their Conservative successors – suppressed said doubts, put their heads in the sand and did nothing until the early 1960s. Their fear – if fear rather than insouciance was the factor – was not of being labelled “racist” (this is the insult of the 1980s onwards)but of endangering the concept of an Empire with one citizenship enabling entirely free movement to and from the mother country.

    Cf. Clive Ponting (“Whitehall: Tragedy and Farce”), Andrew Roberts (“Eminent Churchillians”), PRO Cabinet papers, etc…

  • Tony_0pmoc

    It’s highly unusual for me to agree with anything “The Archbishop of Enterprise Oil, Justin Welby” says or writes, but I agree with everything there…He could however have gone a lot further, but is probably unaware of who actually is responsible. It is the neocon controlled US Government, British Government, French Government and the EU that is directly responsible.

    We destroyed their countries. Even Trump knows where ISIS came from, and why they have never attacked Israel, and isn’t afraid to say so. “How come #ISIS never attacks #Israel.!? Becz the DOG doesn’t bite his own tale!”

    “This is one of the greatest movements of people in human history. Just enormous. And to be anxious about that is very reasonable.”

    What on Earth does Craig Murray see is wrong with that?

    Meanwhile can someone tell Spike on John Ward’s SLOG that he is a genius. I can’t for obvious reasons.


    spike@March 11, 2016 at 11:35 am


  • Geoffrey

    I’m not sure why you are criticising the archbishop,he appears to be on your side and big business and all those who benefit from cheap labour.
    Agree with Loony,Baal and Giyane above-the UK’s “wealth” is all smoke and mirrors-a 25% fall in property prices and we are all down the toilet ( Scotland as well).

  • John Spencer-Davis

    Craig Murray
    11/03/16 10:55am

    Just wondering if Craig’s quoting Noonan [“Tressell”] in this piece. Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

    “The country was in a hell of a state, poverty, hunger and misery in a hundred forms had already invaded thousands of homes and stood upon the thresholds of thousands more. How came these things to be? It was the bloody foreigner! Therefore, down with the foreigners and all their works. Out with them. Drive them b–s into the bloody sea! The country would be ruined if not protected in some way.”

    Robert Tressell, “The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists”, 1914.

  • Clark

    Habbabkuk, 12:08 pm – other aspects of racism are hostility or violence towards those seen as being of different race, or just disadvantaging them, treating them worse, blaming them for problems in society or asserting that they deserve or should expect such treatment or lesser rights. In a word, degrees of aggression, active and/or passive.

    Many psychological experiments have shown that aggression is a response to perceived threat, ie. the threat does not have to be real.

    Therefore I think that ‘racism’ has no clear boundary.

  • Clark

    The root cause is inequality, of course. Economic inequality, obviously, but also the vast international disparities of peace and security.

    Powerful governments have to be restrained from smashing up less powerful countries, by the people and by international law.

  • Rehmat

    I’m least surprised after knowing he was called the “first Jewish Archbishop of Church of England by The Times of Israel on June 18, 2013. The paper also claimed that Justin Welby (Justin Portal Weiler)
    was born into a German Jewish family and that his father bootlegged alcohol.

    Speaking at the ‘Board of Deputies of British Jews’ President’s Dinner on May 5, 2015, Justin Welby urged Christians to shield Jews from ‘antisemitism’.

    He said when it comes to intolerance toward other faiths – Christians are as bad at anyone at this – in fact, if I dare to be competitive, I think we’re worse.

    Welby apologized to the members of UK’s Jewish Lobby for the sins the Church and Christians committed against Jews during the last 2000 years.

    Welby also conveyed his disgust over one of his Bishops (Stephen Sizer) for blaming Israel for 9/11. He assured his Jewish audience that such behavior will never be tolerated as long as he leads the Church.


  • fedup

    There is a school of thought that condemns Jesus as a hooligan and a vandal whom caused disruption of the greet/useful/sacred work of the money changers as these were providing a very useful service to the pilgrims of Jerusalem!

    Archbishop of Enterprise Oil is pretty much of that ilk and judging by the harrumphing of the little Englanders whom have forgotten the pottery works rule1: you break it you own it!!!!

    While the “ordinary man” sat back and kicked his heels and watched on the telly the fireworks going off in Baghdad, Kabul and then some in the rest of the arc of instability, there was no hue and cry about any of the destructive dreams of our dear leaders busy shaking the Kaleidoscope!!!

    The starving, the wretched, the dispossessed, the ignorant, those living in want and squalor from the deserts of Northern Africa to the slums of Gaza, to the mountain ranges of Afghanistan: they too are our cause.

    This is a moment to seize. The Kaleidoscope has been shaken. The pieces are in flux. Soon they will settle again. Before they do, let us re-order this world around us.

    Speech of Tonykins bLiar, at the Labour Party conference

    But as ever the same bunch of bigots and part time supremacists afflicted with the malaise of the gold fish memory, soon forget that there were no mass migrations before the arc of instability was turned into a chaotic war zone, and it’s inhabitants cast in the four cardinal directions. Fact that now the immigrants are being seen as “weaponoised” then out comes the Archbishop to aid and abet “charity and brotherhood”, all the while making sure the first rule of the pottery works is pretty much left forgotten.

    Fact is unless people stop blaming the next wretched soul standing in the queue along with the rest of them, and start opening their eyes and see who are the culprits that have wreaked havoc on their lives this will be the scenario over and again.

  • Habbabkuk (for fact-based, polite, rational and obsession-free posting)


    “Habbabkuk, 12:08 pm – other aspects of racism are hostility or violence towards those seen as being of different race, or just disadvantaging them, treating them worse, blaming them for problems in society or asserting that they deserve or should expect such treatment or lesser rights. In a word, degrees of aggression, active and/or passive.”

    Those phenomena do not constitute racism itself – they are the consequences of racism as I (correctly) defined it.

  • Doug Scorgie

    Habbabkuk (la vita è bella)
    11 Mar, 2016 – 12:08 pm

    “…to be a racist is to believe in the innate superiority of one race over another (or the innate inferiority of one race against another).”


    What about “God’s chosen Habbabkuk? Are they racist?

  • Habbabkuk (for fact-based, polite, rational and obsession-free posting)

    Mr Scorgie

    Let me know if that’s meant to be a reference to the Jews, Doug, and then I’ll answer.

  • Johnstone

    Fears have also been raised about the added pressure which would be put on already stretched public services in the UK if more people are allowed to settle here.

    It’s BS

    The town where I live in Germany is going to be housing 500 refugees ultimately. A training center has been adapted as co housing since the emergency facility a gymnasium closed down. This represents the picture across the whole of the country. Towns people have mobilized to help with and the integration program, registration, shopping, transport, banking, language, doctors, dentist, schools and so on.
    When other helpers ask me about the UKs response to the biggest humanitarian crisis of our life time I say ..they found a place for a few thousand refugees…. its called Calais!

  • Habbabkuk (for fact-based, polite, rational and obsession-free posting)


    “Fears have also been raised about the added pressure which would be put on already stretched public services in the UK if more people are allowed to settle here.

    It’s BS

    The town where I live in Germany is going to be housing 500 refugees ultimately….etc, etc”

    It’s not necessarily bullshit, surely. Your example might prove no more than the fact that public services are less stretched in Germany than in the UK.

  • bevin

    ‘What about “God’s chosen Habbabkuk? Are they racist?”

    It rather depends upon what they feel that God has chosen them to do. It is possible that a culture might nurture and cherish the belief that God has chosen them to hospitable to foreigners, to give refuge to those in need and to protect them from injustice.

    There was a time when this, and a concomitant opposition to Iberian imperialism, was a belief shared by some west country protestants such as Drake. But it didn’t catch on, what with the slave trade, the need to make a living and so on.

    A similar sort of ideology could be found among some of the Imperialists of the Edwardian era. Attlee probably falls into this rough category. In both cases-in the days of the Raj and post 1945- attitudes towards immigration were coloured by the consideration that, after all, these immigrants were all coming from places to which the British had not only migrated but looted, too. It has always been difficult to keep a straight face while telling Caribbean East Indians or Africans to stay at ‘home.’

    So far as Palestine is concerned there is no doubt that many of the Zionist pioneers were idealists in the best imperialist mould and dreamed of living harmoniously with the indigenous population.

    Their opponents were the openly fascist Revisionists, of Jabotinsky and Netanyahu, and elements of racist religious sects: between the two of them they founded the fascist movements which currently run Israel and dominate what is left of intellectual discourse in that twice blighted land. And much of the western world.

    I suspect that God plays a very small part in the thinking of those currently ruling Israel. They seem rather to favour his ancient rival.

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