The Embarrassing Referendum 282


I declared this blog an EU referendum free zone a few months ago. In the last couple of days I chanced to be in Edinburgh, Perth, Dundee, Banchory and Edzell on quite other business, and can report the remarkable fact that I did not see a single house or flat exhibiting a Leave or Remain poster. It is not just this blog, the entire country is an EU referendum free zone.

Personally I remain an EU enthusiast, but I am horrified by the arguments being put forward by the Remain campaign, and even more by the personalities associated with it. I could never display a Remain poster in case people felt I agreed with David Cameron. I strongly suspect that explains the mass public apathy, which friends tell me is no different down south. Whatever their views on the EU, people do not want in any way to be associated with George Osborne, David Cameron, Nick Clegg, Tony Blair or Peter Mandelson on one side, or with Ian Duncan Smith, Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson et al on the other.

There is a fascination in watching Tories pulling each others heads off. The level of intra-Tory hatred is really ramping up now. The Leave Tories have just worked out the Remain Tories are all liars. The Remain Tories have just worked out the leave Tories are all liars. The rest of us knew all the Tories are liars for years.


282 thoughts on “The Embarrassing Referendum

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  • Alan

    “Whatever their views on the EU, people do not want in any way to be associated with George Osborne, David Cameron, Nick Clegg, Tony Blair or Peter Mandelson on one side, or with Ian Duncan Smith, Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson et al on the other. ”

    But Craig, only last week you told us how you were having breakfast with Nigel Farage, Having breakfast with is more like “cohabiting with” than mere “association”. 😉

  • DtP

    To be fair, this was always just a Tory fight so it’s not really anyone else’s business whether they give a shit or not. If we could have had an internal Tory vote leading to a policy decision for the election then that would have been preferable but for some daft reason we’re all the other random punters.

  • Jim

    Seeing as Ba’al and the others are having fun posting links to classical Indian music concerts, I might be permitted to indulge myself too. There could arguably be a vague link between the title and sentiments of the song and the theme of ‘in or out’ too, if you strain hard enough. But mainly it’s an excuse to hear Linda’s voice and Richards guitar.

    https://youtu.be/HqViJyweNV0

  • Loony

    The banal inanity of the statements made concerning the EU are ultimately depressing in that what they really reveal is the death of any pretense of adherence to the democratic process. People are encouraged to form their views based on fear. Those with no fear are being bludgeoned into submission by an unending avalanche of garbage.

    Historically people across the political spectrum had grave reservations about the EU. This spectrum ranged from Enoch Powell through to Michael Foot.

    Corbyn has always been against the EU – but is now playing his allotted role in the world of make believe democracy. Meanwhile the UK intelligentsia continues to ruthlessly hunt down politically incorrect utterances from what remains of the working classes whilst ignoring the ongoing destruction of all aspects of Greek society and culture. Once Greece is completely destroyed it will be time to move onto Italy – and oh how surprised people will be that like the Aztecs the EU has an insatiable demand for ever more human sacrifice.

      • Loony

        No-one cares what Varoufakis thinks.

        That is why his party got a mandate for resistance from the Greek people, threw it in the bin and went to Brussels to surrender. All in less than a week.

        The EU has repeatedly made clear that Greece will obey orders or the Greek population will be destroyed. What is there not to understand as to how irrelevant the thoughts of Greek citizens are. “Obey or die” – It is a simple enough message, and is not really open to any misinterpretation.

          • Loony

            They care more about your opinions than those of Varoufakis.

            They care very much that you should never come to appreciate the full cruelty and depravity of the policies inflicted on Greece. Should you come to appreciate this then your opinions will also promptly be ignored and will count for nothing.

          • Shatnersrug

            He resigned because he slammed his fist down on the desk in front Schäuble who took great offence. It was insisted that V be removed for the good running of further talks. having been shot and paralysed Wolfie probably took physical displays of frustration very personally.

        • Phil the ex frog

          To be fair he did resign as a result.

          It is hard to take him too serious though. By all accounts, and I was in Greece at the time, the Syriza leadership really believed their case was reasonable and would thus be respected.

          If anyone can be arsed please bullet point his argument (I don’t have time to watch the video).

          • Loony

            No-one knows why he resigned. Maybe he resigned on principle or maybe the EU ordered Tsipras to procure his resignation.

            Of course the position of Syriza was reasonable that was why it was rejected out of hand. The EU is ultra extremist and has nothing but dripping contempt for reasonableness.

            If you view the EU through a prism of “fairness” then you will lose always and everywhere.

  • Loony

    Why not vote to stay in the EU – it enhances our security don’t you know.

    Why not continually irritate Russia – they must be made to pay homage to our moral righteousness.

    But whatever you do, never mention to the people that senior NATO planners estimate that Russia could win any war in Europe in a maximum of 60 hours.

    • Alan

      “Russia could win any war in Europe in a maximum of 60 hours.”

      And being accustomed to a cold climate, they’d also be far better equipped to survive the ensuing nuclear winter.

      • lysias

        Only if one of the sides were crazy enough to be the first to use nukes. Any sane person should be able to realize that military defeat is preferable to a nuclear holocaust.

    • Phil the ex frog

      ” senior NATO planners estimate that Russia could win any war in Europe in a maximum of 60 hours”

      Well if a senior NATO planner really did say that it was only to convince you more tax dollars should be spent on the war machine. Or an April fools joke.

      • Alan

        No joke!

        http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/02/05/report-russia-defeats-nato-in-baltic-war-game.html

        STUTTGART, Germany — A Russian offensive on NATO territory in the Baltics would overwhelm underarmed alliance forces in a matter of hours, leaving NATO with a harsh dilemma: Launch a long, bloody counteroffensive or concede defeat.

        That is the conclusion of a new report by Rand Corp., which conducted a series of elaborate war games from summer 2014 to spring 2015 with the assistance of numerous American military commands and experts.

        • bevin

          Alan, the article quoted makes Phil’s point: the Rand Corporation has been warning us that the Russians could take over Europe in days, since it was set up. It has made mints of money by ringing the changes on that basic message. So, in a much higher order of magnitude, have the famed MIComplex, beavering away, on a cost plus basis, to catch up with the enormous output of a Soviet/Russian defence industry less than an eighth its size.
          Even allowing for the obvious efficiencies of a central planned non profit system it is clear that the “threat” from Russia has been bogus for decades.
          In fact Russia never wanted to invade Europe and, when forced to do so, almost ruined itself in the effort. Since 1945 all the threats have been going the other way. And so they are now: Russia is being rapidly encircled by NATO, accompanied to the bleating of warmongers claiming to have been threatened by a state which has retreated hundreds of miles in the past twenty years.
          And all because a lot of money is made by the arms industry, and even more by keeping the people paralysed with fear as their pockets are being picked.

          • Alan

            “Even allowing for the obvious efficiencies of a central planned non profit system it is clear that the “threat” from Russia has been bogus for decades.”

            A Cabinet Office study of 1959 summed up thus:

            ‘General interests of the West will be: (1) excluding Sino-Soviet infiltration and keeping local governments and populations on our side or, at least, benevolently neutral; (2) developing trade and guarding access to raw materials’.

            http://www.markcurtis.info/

            I’d say that nothing has changed much over the years. Rand Corp is just following “policy”

      • nevermind

        Senior NATO planners will also be absent from the front line, but instead queuing for their seat in some doomsday bunker.
        This talking up of tensions, because Russia is responding to deliberate NATO’s expansion to its doorstep, is not helping to advance any debate or dialogue. Their estimation is also wrong, because the economic imperative for Russia is to stay in business with Europe, one of its best customers, including Britain, deny they might well do, but they are buying Russian gas and Gazprom rules OK here.

        I think that these Generals are doing the bidding of right wing Hawks and the industrial military complex who can’t fathom that Russia should be selling all these resources it has in its country, and not them.
        So the least they can do is try and nibble away at its borders, agitate others to do the fighting, hallo Kiev, and generally keep the world at war so it can forward its agenda of full spectrum dominance.

        So fuck senior NATO planners, as Ms Nuland so graciously expressed herself.

          • Jim

            Aha! I see your supervisors have crafted something slightly more literate. I’m impressed!

          • Macky

            It seems the Habbu-Clown has a rival for the delusional buffoonery crown.! 😀

      • bevin

        Troll Pot strikes again.
        NO I haven’t seen his twitter feed. Nor have I examined his laundry or the contents of his stomach. All of which distractions would postpone the business of engaging with his arguments.
        But then that is what trolling is all about.

        • Jim

          Christ, are you still at the shrine? Twitter is one of the means for propagating his deathless ‘arguments’.

      • bevin

        The article in question isn’t by Neil Clark. It quotes him:
        “…I urge anyone interested in Labour’s 1983 manifesto, to read Neil Clark’s excellent article “Not so suicidal after all.”
        “Clark peels away the propaganda to expose a simple but heartbreaking truth. The 1983 manifesto was not a suicide note. It was a prescription for the vaccine this country needed to stop it getting sick…”

        Now, maybe the Troll JIm disagrees with Clark’s judgement of the 1983 manifesto. Many (mistakenly) do and they make arguments which Clark, inter alia, answers.

        The problem with the troll’s intervention is that it doesn’t address the argument but proceeds quickly to ad hominems and smears. Clark is characterised as a “shill” for RT. The term ’employee” would be more precise, though less polluting.

        And RT, a state sponsored medium whose content ought to be judged on its merits and compared with reports in imperialist sponsored media, is condemned as being uniquely biassed. Which is untrue, used properly, RT is a valuable news source and one to be bookmarked, along with such media as the NY Times, Irish Times, The Guardian and a various other capitalist enterprises, as well as Press TV and so on.

        What is interesting and rather sinister is that JIM has been banging the anti-Assad war drums for the past two days. And he is not alone. I am beginning to suspect that after a period of cowed sulking the NATO/wahhabi trolls are emerging again to provide ideological smoke for a joint attack by Turkey and Israel on Damascus . We know that the Al Qaeda forces, untroubled by the alleged opposition of the US and NATO, are massing in Aleppo, we know that the Turks are becoming increasingly aggressive on the border. And we know that the US has become addicted to using its wahhabi proxies to attack Israel’s enemies, so it is no surprise that the duty troll is screaming for bombs on Damascus and more massacres of Christians, shia and mainstream sunni muslims for human rights and the Great Helmsman of Blairism and islamophobia.

        • Jim

          No the article isn’t by Clark, well spotted there Bevin. It merely references him approvingly, somewhat like yourself and Paul Craig Roberts.
          What is interesting is the apparent disdain the writer has for the concept of actually winning an election. A novel position.

          I’m interested in the voices of those Syrian activists from the initial stage of the uprising whose voices you strangely have no interest in. Odd that. And again, I’ll take the veracity of Amnesty International any day of the week over the propagandising piffle you types seem to love. ‘Moon of Alabama’? ‘global research’? ‘The Saker’? Give me a break.

  • Roderick Russell

    CM – “The rest of us knew all the Tories are liars for years.” Yes, and the other political parties as well.

    It is part of the Westminster system where the real influence of MPs is very limited, and the very real power exercised by, behind the scenes, establishment oligarchs is hidden. Intelligent MPs must know the truth. And if they don’t, then issues like mine where the rule of law is outrageously overridden, when it doesn’t suit the establishment, should open their eyes. It seems that MPs have to promote the canard that the country is a democracy to get elected – they therefor have to be either liars or idiots.

  • YouKnowMyName

    in the event of a brexit, will the dastardly EU mount a gladioli campaign inside the UK?

    some history: http://www.cryptomuseum.com/spy/gladio/index.htm

    but that was a long time ago, (round about the time of the last vote in/out)

    (BTW the museum is asking if anyone can send them a photo of the Telefunken base-stations BS-5000, BS-7010 or the E-1800/A receiver to add to their collection of all the other secret stuff! I’m sure some here can oblige. . .

  • Republicofscotland

    What I find utterly remarkable about this EU referendum, is its persistent scaremongering. Scaremongering that Westminster spewed out copiously during the Scottish referendum.

    I for one don’t believe a single word that comes out of the mouths of both camps. It was only a few months back that David Cameron threatened to pull the UK out of Europe, now he’s waxing lyrical about EU benefits.

    I’m beginning to think independence from Brussels and Westminster, a given is the best way forward for Scotland.

    • Richard

      Well, that has the virtue of consistency, which is totally absent from the S.N.P.s current position.

      Actually, it may not be a bad option. Scotland could actually be something like another Iceland, which it will never be if it remains in the E.U. either within – or probably especially without – the U.K. The current S,N.P. position is to keep banging on about “independence” while emphasising their desire for a separate (and that is the right word) Scotland to remain a province of the E.U./Fourth Reich. I have really no idea why nobody calls them on that tripe.

  • Guano

    “Whatever their views on the EU, people do not want in any way to be associated with George Osborne, David Cameron, Nick Clegg, Tony Blair or Peter Mandelson on one side, or with Ian Duncan Smith, Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson et al on the other.”

    Yes, indeed. Nor do they want to be associated with the childish arguments that are being made. The fact that the PM is taking a leading role gives the debate a special dynamic that discourages most other politicians from taking part.

  • Chris Rogers

    Being opposed to Europeans slaughtering one and other and loyal to a European idealism, I’m afraid to say any illusions one had with regards the European Union were utterly destroyed circa 2010 when we witnessed the onset of the Euro Crisis and the EU’s/ECB’s response to said crisis, be it in the Baltic States, Ireland, Italy, Spain or Portugal. The final straw for me at least was the ‘bank bail-in’ in Cyprus and Greece – to say the EU is anti-democratic is an understatement.

    As such, and whilst I have a huge degree of sympathy for the likes of Varoufakis and all those who are part of Diem25, the fact remains it seems the EU is incapable of ‘self-reform’ – epitomised by the elevation of the tax evader Juncker to the top job in the Commission, hence anyone who really is left-of-centre should be voting ‘Leave’ on 23rd June, as only a massive kick up the arse to the EU may change its current trajectory, which certainly does not favour the common man. All the BS from the Remain camp, all neoliberal to a man (woman) just strengthen my resolve given nothing, and I mean nothing, has actually been said positive about the EU, which is worrying in itself.

    • nevermind

      what’s the difference between Greece and Cornwall, Chris? both are living on hand outs and are not allowed to prosper. Blame Goldmann Sachs and complacent politicians who play games rather than serve us.

  • Phil the ex frog

    Bloody hell. The Delta Avengers have blown up a whole friggin oil rig. Not to be found on any news source.

  • nevermind

    Here are the experiences of a Spiegel Journalist inside the Brexit movement. Far from me to say he’s lying, he’s probably embellished some of his views, but hey, he is a European.

    “The great thing about doing battle against Europe is that you can learn something new every day. For example that the EU is to blame for the war in Ukraine and is likewise to be blamed for the fact that Britain was unable to protect itself from recent floods. That, at least, is what it says on the flyers passed out by the local UKIP chapter in Haywards Heath.

    Not only that, but I have also learned in the last few weeks that the EU plans to swallow up the British Isles and make them part of a super-state. The EU, say Brexiteers, increases the danger of terror attacks, makes British beef 36 percent more expensive and is making it possible for 76 million Turks to soon be allowed to come to Europe. If Britain decides to stay in the EU, says Secretary of State for Justice Michael Gove, then “we’re voting to be hostages locked in the back of the car.”

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/brexit-from-the-inside-the-movement-to-leave-the-eu-a-1093895.html

    • Andy

      “The great thing about doing battle against Europe is that you can learn something new every day. For example that the EU is to blame for the war in Ukraine ”

      The EU supported the pro-EU opposition parties, bank rolled Klitschko. The EU trade agreement have benefited the EU but not majority of the Ukrainian population. It was promoted as a gate way to Ukraine joining the EU which was a lie. The western media claimed Ukrainians supported the agreement but half the population, the ethnic Russian in the east, were opposed, for economic reasons.

      The EU turned a blind eye to ultra-nationalists/Neo-Naizs who were leading the protests in Kiev. After the killings in Maiden the EU brokered a deal, a transitional government and elections for the end of the year. The opposition tore up the deal and took power in a coup, the EU immediately recognized the new regime. The new regime, backed by the EU, then declared anyone who opposed them were terrorists and sent the army east to put down the opposition.

      The EU is partly responsible for the war in Ukraine.

      • Loony

        The EU did not turn a blind eye to the neo-Nazis of Ukraine – they actively supported them, and continue to do so.

      • nevermind

        utter shite Andy, and Klitschko was a mere poster boy, always rejected by the Kiev aoligarchs, but the EU is very definitely was responsible for the cease fire and subsequent keeping of the peace after Mrs. Nulands friends excessive arms deals and shooting down of a plane.

        Anybody who thinks that we, as in NATO, are going to have a war with Russia over some neocon dream merchants hot flushes at night, should think again. And if Estonia feels threatened citing a Russian speaking minority, they should join the west, put their tax up by 2 % and fund their own military might. Another point, nobody in Europe will go to war because some rotting generals try to scare us witless.

    • Chris Rogers

      Nevermind,

      Whilst i’m opposed to the hysteria of the Tory ‘outers’, as much as I am by the blatant lies of the ‘Remain’ neoliberal and neocons, the fact remains that the West did cause the Ukrainian crisis and the EU was central to this – the Ukraine now being a failed state. Further, perhaps if this German journalist had instead embedded himself with the unemployed youth, that is to say under 30s, in Spain, Greece, Baltic States and other Euro member states suffering under EMU, he may have had a better story as to the failings of both the EU/EMU and the ECB, which effectively is the Bundesbank despite the Italian Goldman clone Draghi being at its helm.

      Indeed, knowing a few German journalists, they are usually impressed by what peers can get away with in the UK, particularly when its blowing the lid on stuff, which is frowned upon in Germany as its supine media usually rejects hard hitting stories and brushes them under the carpet, a classic expel being the Volkswagen debacle last year. Perhaps this hack should have met some real lefwingers with real concerns about the EU and European project to actually understand what’s at stake – most of us being firm believers in a European brotherhood, rather than an artificial political construct that mimics the USA. Indeed, anyone one opposed to EU Federalism need but hold up America as a classic example of what goes wrong – alas, our Brexit leaders are too stupid or supine to the USA to use there example as a benchmark for dysfunctional federalism.

      I’m happy for a EU confederate state structure, but not a federal structure that impinges on my sovereignty, given the EU elite care not one iota what the electorate across the member states actually thinks, hence, why bloody support it?

      • nevermind

        If you;re not happy change it, Chris, nobody will ever get what they want out of any deal.
        Question is, are you European or are you following a fracked out society’s agenda that has no answers for its own divided society, or are you with history and tradition when it comes to trading in Europe?

        • Chris Rogers

          @Nevermind,

          If we actually had ‘SOCIAL’ or indeed the ‘PEOPLE’ at the heart of the European Project I’d be onboard and voting Remain. Or, lets put it another way, Jacques Delors was very much a European Federalist with Political Union central to his Presidency of the EU, at least he had a concern about the ‘Social’ element, which could have been expanded upon greatly. Instead, we seem to have lost the ‘Social’ element as the EU’s institutions were hijacked by our neoliberal friends, who’s ideals are anathema to this poster. If I thought we could reverse this trend, heck lets fight for it. Alas, given the EU’s contempt for any and all democratic votes and referendum it would appear change from the inside remains impossible, which is why I’d rather start again, and if that means voting ‘out’, then out it is if this choice is actually in the best interests of all who aspire to a ‘Social’ Europe, one at peace with itself, and its neighbours.

        • Loony

          It is not the only source – you can look up a “non loon site” for yourself. The message remains the same

          • Loony

            Jim – I am not your research assistant – you want information? Look it up for yourself. Your unwillingness to verify expressed opinions does not impact on their credibility

      • nevermind

        Not quiet as much as the T pot rags here, Loony, but sufficient enough to steer some Krauts towards neocon goals.

    • Richard

      You mean that the guy has only just learned that there was a coup in Kiev and that Crimea and Donbass revolted? How does he earn his living?

      The East and its relative wealth were the very regions that the E.U. technocrats were running their sliderules (I’m rather old-fashioned) over. Their clients in Kiev are “shelling their own people”! But I guess that’s only bad if people Washington and their puppets don’t like do it.

  • mog

    ‘Brexit will bring war to Europe’, they say. However, there already is a war going on (-an economic one) between German banks and European nation states (via the IMF):
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/24/the-financial-invasion-of-greece/

    I was talking on my doorstep to an advocate for the ‘Another Europe is Possible’ campaign who admitted that he was conflicted about opposing TTIP and TISA yet at the same time backing the Remain vote. He defended his position by stating that IN Europe we have the ‘protection’ needing Tsiparas’ signature on any T-treaty. However, he is currently selling Greece in defeat, so it doesn’t inspire any confidence in this voter.

    The T-treaties will make left of centre policies or government permanently illegal on the European continent. If you (like me) see the defeat of these secretive plans as the greatest priority, then how to vote?

    • Loony

      Vote to leave. Not that it will make much difference as the current regime is in its last days. There are threats on all fronts and sooner or later one of them will trigger some form of catastrophe from which recovery will be impossible.

  • Republicofscotland

    “A Swedish court has decided not to drop an arrest warrant against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange.

    The organisation asked the Swedish legal authorities to revoke the arrest warrant following a decision by a United Nations working group that he was being unlawfully detained.”

    Is Obama pulling the strings behind the scene? More than likely in my opinion.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3608451/Sweden-refuses-revoke-Assange-arrest-warrant.html#ixzz49gprRk1w
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    • Loony

      Even when measured against the insanity that is the west Sweden stands out as being more insane than the rest. It is a shame for Assange but they have maneuvered him into the orbit of possibly the most insane state in the world.

    • lysias

      Obama is a figurehead. It’s the U.S. national security state that is pulling the strings.

    • Republicofscotland

      Lysais/Looney.

      It does look like the US is not giving an inch on the Assange affair, especially with Sweden defying the UN.

      That one act alone, shows just how shall we call it persuasive, US powers have become in Europe.

  • fwl

    Varoufakis said that neither Greece not Britain would vote to join the EU now, but once in we should stay in and seek to temper the right.

    I pay attention to his views. He is a good bloke and intelligent, but I tend to disagree with the above conclusion. He is referring not to the new the far right parties (who are sent to Coventry as in recent threat to Poland and warning to Austria), but the centre right.

    • Loony

      Varoufakis could not even stay in his own government.

      Yes he is intelligent and he is a good bloke. His problem is, he is too good a bloke and so is unable to comprehend the pitiless malice which informs all EU relations with Greece.

  • Hard Reality

    Let’s face facts, they are no more going to allow us to leave the EU than they were going to allow Scotland to vote for independence. Like Stalin once said, it matters not who votes; just who counts the votes.

    “Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
    Those who count the votes decide everything.”

    • laguerre

      “Let’s face facts, they are no more going to allow us to leave the EU than they were going to allow Scotland to vote for independence.” So what’s the argument for leaving the EU? Idiot Tories are producing idiot arguments on both sides. That’s not a reason to throw everything up in the air, and put us all at risk, for no particularly defined obvious advantage.

        • Hard Reality

          Furthermore, anybody who deludes themselves that the EU is a left-wing organisation, in any way, shape, or form, has their brains up their backside, and that includes Craig and Jeremy Corbyn.

          • Hard Reality

            Oh but of course, it wasn’t Craig who was put on a three day week thanks to Ted Heath, and it wasn’t Craig who lost his house home and marriage thanks to the E.R.M.

            Remember the E.R.M.?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday

            In politics and economics, Black Wednesday is 16 September 1992, when the British Conservative government was forced to withdraw the pound sterling from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM) after it was unable to keep the pound above its agreed lower limit in the ERM. George Soros, the most high-profile of the currency market speculators, made over £1 billion[1] in profit by short selling sterling.

            In 1997, the UK Treasury estimated the cost of Black Wednesday at £3.4 billion,.[2] In 2005, documents released under the Freedom of Information Act revealed that the actual cost may have been £3.3 billion.

            Oh yea, and George Soros, behind all those colour revolutions that have cost so many lives…

          • nevermind

            Hard reality means less agricultural subsidies. Every time Tory’s are challenged on this issue they are flinching. They know that we can’t compete on the skewed world market without dole money.
            Hard reality means that you are better off in Europe as a farmer.

      • Hard Reality

        “So what’s the argument for leaving the EU?”

        It’s funny how the only politician (including Craig) who remembers the ERM and Black Wednesday is one of “those idiot Tories” by the name of Priti Patel.

        Craig, of course, would have been doubtless living in a government mansion at the time; no worries there.

          • Hard Reality

            “So all you’ve come up with, is insults.”

            If I were to embark on insults, I am sure they would get deleted. Feel free to check out “Black Wednesday”, the ERM, and Ted Heath and the three day week, when I was “all right Jack” and working seven days a week, no doubt the same as Craig, who was “all right Jack” in the diplomatic service

      • Richard

        Nothing is put at risk.

        The defined and obvious advantage is that bad policies and laws can be changed. At the moment, it doesn’t matter who or what you vote for and if you stay in Europe it never will matter, you will continue to get what you are given and like it.

  • Republicofscotland

    I find this article by RT news, hypocritical, stating that “thought police ” could just be around the corner in the UK. Habb aside who is a “thought hawk” Russian authorities have a long and illustrious history of locking up anyone, who steps out of line by introducing thought provoking articles.

    Finally it’s not say that what RT news is reporting may not be true, its more of people with glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, kind of thing.

    https://www.rt.com/uk/344204-prevent-radicalisation-thought-police/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

  • Mark Golding

    ALL LIES

    While agent Cameron picks his nose and weighs his “best partner in the West” past comment over a pint of beer with Chinese premier Xi Jinping on the sidelines of G7 in Japan, Nobel nuclear peace prize winner, Barack Obama will also muse over his post Ise-Shima Summit trip to Hiroshima where the needless US atomic slaughter of over 200,000 Japanese civilians took place many coffee breaks ago; percolating in Obama’s soul might be the fact that Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said he would not visit Hawaii and Pearl harbor (he knows the aerial attack was orchestrated by Britain and America) albeit more importantly O’bomber’s neocon orders (with help from agent Cameron) must be to stir up more trouble over Russia’s refusal to give back the South Kuril Islands, which the USSR took from Japan after the Second World War, any time soon.

    Of course beyond a shadow of doubt, if Moscow vacates the islands and hands them over to Japan, it’s a dead certainty that American warplanes and naval vessels will soon be crawling all over them and US submarines and carriers could enter the Sea of Okhotsk through the Kunashir Strait in the ongoing hunt for Russian SSBN’s.

    To be a little more positive, my tip to Vladimir and Shinzo would be to sign the long lost (50’s) peace agreement, think of energy, those excellent Japanese high-quality binoculars from Shinzo and that beautiful painting from Vladimir with love.

    Hiroshima? Okinawa? pivot to Asia strategy? all bollocks – remember we must look forward, not backward… else we might have to prosecute war criminals and torturers – still that’s not G7 business, is it?

    • fwl

      That is not a dead cert. The far right in Japan who campaign for the return of Japan’s island have a confusing relationship with the US, who oversaw the rise of the yakuza (a lawful trade association) at the expense of the unions. Yet they are not entirely supportive of Japan’s reliance on US military ie it’s slightly emasculating.

      Its not a dead cert but a possibility.

      • Ba'al Zevul

        WTF? Yakuza lawful? Come off it.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakuza

        Although yakuza membership has declined following an anti-gang law aimed specifically at yakuza and passed by the Japanese government in 1992, there are thought to be more than 58,000 active yakuza members in Japan today.[7] Although there are many different yakuza groups, together they form the largest organized crime group in the world.[8] (Wiki)

  • Patrick Haseldine

    I know you’ve given up on 38 Degrees petitions, Craig, but I created the following EU referendum petition yesterday (38 Degrees disowned it today). It could do with some help (only 5 signers so far). What about a CM endorsement?

    THREE SUGGESTIONS FOR ABSTENTION (https://www.facebook.com/groups/920801448024359/permalink/974869122617591/)

    1. Sign this 38 Degrees petition and abstain from voting in the 2016 EU Referendum;

    2. Abstain from signing the petition and abstain from voting;

    3. Abstain from signing and vote both ‘Leave’ & ‘Remain’.

    (https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/abstain-from-the-2016-eu-referendum)

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