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  • Sharp Ears

    Warning. Do not switch on BBC2. I have just come in and find a florid looking Andrew Neil speaking to Evil Personified, Henry Kissinger, on ‘Trump’s America’.

    • Republicofscotland

      So Kissinger the old devil himself, finds an ardent acolyte, in Neil who’s more than willing to prostrate himself, for the dark cause.

    • Sharp Ears

      The programme concluded with a tribute to Leonard Cohen singing ‘Democracy’ the lyrics of which are replete with irony.

      It’s coming through a hole in the air,
      from those nights in Tiananmen Square.
      It’s coming from the feel
      that this ain’t exactly real,
      or it’s real, but it ain’t exactly there.
      From the wars against disorder,
      from the sirens night and day,
      from the fires of the homeless,
      from the ashes of the gay:
      Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

      It’s coming through a crack in the wall;
      on a visionary flood of alcohol;
      from the staggering account
      of the Sermon on the Mount
      which I don’t pretend to understand at all.
      It’s coming from the silence
      on the dock of the bay,
      from the brave, the bold, the battered
      heart of Chevrolet:
      Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

      It’s coming from the sorrow in the street,
      the holy places where the races meet;
      from the homicidal bitchin’
      that goes down in every kitchen
      to determine who will serve and who will eat.
      From the wells of disappointment
      where the women kneel to pray
      for the grace of God in the desert here
      and the desert far away:
      Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

      Sail on, sail on
      O mighty Ship of State!
      To the Shores of Need
      Past the Reefs of Greed
      Through the Squalls of Hate
      Sail on, sail on, sail on, sail on.

      It’s coming to America first,
      the cradle of the best and of the worst.
      It’s here they got the range
      and the machinery for change
      and it’s here they got the spiritual thirst.
      It’s here the family’s broken
      and it’s here the lonely say
      that the heart has got to open
      in a fundamental way:
      Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

      It’s coming from the women and the men.
      O baby, we’ll be making love again.
      We’ll be going down so deep
      the river’s going to weep,
      and the mountain’s going to shout Amen!
      It’s coming like the tidal flood
      beneath the lunar sway,
      imperial, mysterious,
      in amorous array:
      Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

      Sail on, sail on …

      I’m sentimental, if you know what I mean
      I love the country but I can’t stand the scene.
      And I’m neither left or right
      I’m just staying home tonight,
      getting lost in that hopeless little screen.
      But I’m stubborn as those garbage bags
      that Time cannot decay,
      I’m junk but I’m still holding up
      this little wild bouquet:
      Democracy is coming to the U.S.A. ‘


  • Silvio

    If president-elect Trump winds down the new cold war with Russia, which war, cold or hot, will he chose to crank up in its place? The implications of a 2003 article from historian Jacques Pauwels, Why America Needs War , are that the US economy can only supply full employment, somewhat reasonable wages for the working class, and the expected sky high level of “gargantuan profits” for the one percenters when US government spending is ramped up to fight existing wars or to vigorously prepare to fight the next war, said to be just around the corner.

    Why America Needs War
    By Dr. Jacques R. Pauwels

    GR Editor’s Note: This incisive article was written on April 30, 2003, by historian and political scientist Jacques Pauwels. A timely question: Why Does Hillary Want War… ? And why do people support her? 

    During the Second World War, the wealthy owners and top managers of the big corporations learned a very important lesson: during a war there is money to be made, lots of money. In other words, the arduous task of maximizing profits – the key activity within the capitalist American economy – can be absolved much more efficiently through war than through peace; however, the benevolent cooperation of the state is required. Ever since the Second World War, the rich and powerful of America have remained keenly conscious of this. So is their man in the White House today [2003, i.e. George W. Bush], the scion of a “money dynasty” who was parachuted into the White House in order to promote the interests of his wealthy family members, friends, and associates in corporate America, the interests of money, privilege, and power.

    In the spring of 1945 it was obvious that the war, fountainhead of fabulous profits, would soon be over. What would happen then? Among the economists, many Cassandras conjured up scenarios that loomed extremely unpleasant for America’s political and industrial leaders. During the war, Washington’s purchases of military equipment, and nothing else, had restored the economic demand and thus made possible not only full employment but also unprecedented profits. With the return of peace, the ghost of disharmony between supply and demand threatened to return to haunt America again, and the resulting crisis might well be even more acute than the Great Depression of the “dirty thirties,” because during the war years the productive capacity of the nation had increased considerably, as we have seen. Workers would have to be laid off precisely at the moment when millions of war veterans would come home looking for a civilian job, and the resulting unemployment and decline in purchasing power would aggravate the demand deficit. Seen from the perspective of America’s rich and powerful, the coming unemployment was not a problem; what did matter was that the golden age of gargantuan profits would come to an end. Such a catastrophe had to be prevented, but how?

    • lysias

      I don’t see why rebuilding America’s rebuilding its infrastructure, as Trump promises to do, could not be the economic functional equivalent of the warfare state, tyingup capital and labor, providing just as much in profits and wages. It would have to be financed somehow. But since building infrastructure, unlike weapons and war, creates wealth, I would imagine lenders could found for deficit financing.

    • Habbabkuk

      More seriously:

      Readers might be interested to know that the charity Centrepoint (which helps homeless young people with safe shelter, vocational training and so on) has launched it traditional Christmas appeal.

      I urge readers to investigate and to contribute if they can afford to do so. Every little would help.

  • Brianfujisan

    Ben Griffin ex SAS –

    ” We were attacking Families in their homes at night, Taking away their men to be tortured in prison, and this is the Opposite of what I had been told was the Job of a Brittish soldier ” –

    from about 14 mins in, of this great Video..from ‘ The Empire files ‘

    P.S the whole video is worth watching

      • Mark Golding

        Top Trump advisor :

        Samuel H. Clovis Jr.

        Age: 64

        Date of birth: Sept. 18, 1949

        Place of Birth: Salina, Kan.

        Grew Up: Medora, Kan.

        Current home: Hinton

        Education: Buhler High School; U.S. Air Force Academy, bachelor’s degree; Golden Gate University, master’s degree; Georgetown University, national security studies; University of Alabama, doctorate of public administration.

        Work history: U.S. Air Force, 1971-96; BETAC, 1996-97; Northrop Grumman, 1997-2000, 2003; William Penn University, 2000-03; Booz Allen Hamilton, 2003-04; Homeland Security Institute, 2004-10; Morningside College, 2005-present

        Political experience: Tea party activist; Republican volunteer; Fourth District convention chair, 2012; alternate, national convention, 2012; delegate, state convention, 2010-2012

        Civic involvement: Lecture series on the Constitution and government, 31 different lectures prepared and delivered. Celebration of the Constitution events.

        Family: Spouse, Charlotte Chase Clovis; two adult children; one adult stepson

        Religious affiliation: Roman Catholic

        Sam keeps schtum refusing to answer e-mails that pose a simple question:

        ‘Do you agree what Dick Cheney (Booz Allen Hamilton) did in ordering his aides Scooter Libby and Karl Rove to release the information about Plame’s identity was no different from Snowden’s decision to contact the press.?’

        A bizarre and ignorant silence to boot.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Now the NYT is reporting that Hillary won by around 2 million votes, most of the lost votes coming from the Pacific Coast!

    Some democracy.

    I’m leaving this plutocracy, once I settle matters with my sister.

      • Trowbridge H. Ford

        Talking about the ever increasing popular, wasted vote for Hillary. Has gone from 150,000 to 2 million. Far outdoes any previous election.

        And I taught American government, and its state and local government courses for years, so I am hardly just hearing about the Electoral College now.

        But I am hardly surprised that it doesn’t upset you.

        • Mick McNulty

          Many of the witch’s votes were from illegal immigrants, from votes switched from Trump, from dead people and from multiple votes, and from the unused ballots of those who didn’t vote. Take those votes away and she loses by millions.

          She would have forced war against Russia and once said, “We can obliterate Iran.” At least we should survive the next four years with Trump which we might not have done under the witch. As a lefty I’m not usually a billionaire’s supporter but really, what’s not to like about keeping the earth inhabitable a little bit longer?

          • Trowbridge H. Ford

            Oh right, Hillary stole all those wasted votes in the Electoral College count while Trump spouted endlessly about the election system being rigged against him unless he won. And then all those unexpected votes which the media didn’t have a clue about ended up in places like Michigan and Pennsylvania, putting him over the top in the Electoral College. And there is no interest in the media in determining where all his money went, even to the point of Trump not releasing even his own tax filings for the last 15 years.

            Guys like you will go along with any crap the media does manage to crank out.

          • Stu

            I’m no Hillary fan but I don’t she is stupid enough to rig the vote in California, Oregon and Washington.

  • lysias

    Significant shift in U.S. policy on Syria, as reported in today’s Washington Post: Obama directs Pentagon to target al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria, one of the most formidable forces fighting Assad. This is almost certainly a result of Trump’s victory in the election. My guess is that this is what Obama always wanted, but that he didn’t dare impose on the Defense Department for as long as it looked like Hillary was going to win the election.

    The war clouds are definitely receding.

    • michael norton

      I think you’ll find they are trying to eliminate their paid for goons so the world does not get to find out who paid the wages of the goons “U.S.A. moderates”

      • michael norton

        Will OBOMBER have to be taken to court for bombing Syrian troops at a Syrian Airfield?

        • michael norton

          The cruelest irony of a U.S.-led coalition strike that mistakenly killed at least 62 Syrian forces is that rather than damage the Islamic State, as the strikes intended, the coalition may instead been a boon for the terror group.

          The Syrian forces based near the eastern city of Deir el-Zour, the site of four strikes Saturday, were a buffer between the citizens of Deir el-Zour and the terror group. And if Syrian troops were hit by a coalition strike, it could lead them to retreat, creating an opening for ISIS to move onto a major city in eastern Syrian.

          In recent months, ISIS has made an increasingly aggressive push for the city, putting Syrian government forces on the defensive. While ISIS has launched strikes against the airport, near the site of Saturday’s strikes, the airport has always remained under Syrian government control.

          • lysias

            You beat me to the punch. I was about to say they did it on purpose.

            I had a part-time job transcribing CNN during the Kosovo War. Whenever the on-air talent referred to our bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade they invariably called it the “accidental bombing”. There must have been a memo telling them to add that word. Only later did we learn that it wasn’t accidental at all.

          • kief

            Is it possible to have a pseudonym like kief the Trump anarchic socialist, or does that need to be a sanctioned Party?

          • michael norton

            I was was administered to by a woman Syrian doctor after I had been axed in the face.

          • bevin

            It was no mistake: the Syrian Army was what the US and RAF were aiming to hit. And Al Nusra were informed in advance so that they could follow up the airstrikes and capture the base, which had long been holding out.

  • Sharp Ears

    Is Fallon fanning the embers hoping for a conflagration?

    Prince Charles opens British base in Bahrain

    “The Prince of Wales has opened the controversial Mina Salman naval base in Bahrain despite criticism of the regime’s human rights record and human rights organisations urging him to highlight the country’s abuses.

    At the end of last month, rumours were circling that a military base will open in Bahrain. British tabloid the Daily Mail reported the prospective opening of the port and that Bahrain has paid over £30 million to open the facility adding that Britain contributing approximately £7.5 million.

    The base, which was opened by Prince Charles yesterday, is the first permanent military presence in the region since 1971. It will be used by Britain’s Royal Navy alongside the US’ own large naval base.

    The Bahraini ambassador to the UK wrote in the British newspaper the Telegraph yesterday that the Naval Support Facility (NSF) in Manama symbolises a long alliance between the two nations.

    “With the region continuing to face difficult times, the British return to East of Suez is a reassuring sign that our countries remain steadfast friends and allies, with strong diplomatic, military and trade relations,” Fawaz Bin Mohamed Al Khalifa wrote regarding the opening of the base.

    The British government hopes that the Bahrain base will help the armed forces to send larger warships to the Gulf. According to Defence Secretary Michael Fallon, this will “reinforce stability” in the region.”
    11 November 2016

  • Silvio

    Oh no, Trumpsters! Exit polls show Hillary wuz robbed!

    Exit polls suggest that Trump’s big “victory” was stolen (just like Hillary’s nomination)

    These figures make quite clear that this election may have been “rigged” after all, just as Donald Trump kept warning except that it was rigged to make him president, and to maintain the GOP’s grip on the Senate.
    Thus Donald Trump, and the Republicans, arguably “won” this election just as Hillary Clinton, and the DNC, “won” her the Democratic nomination—i.e., by fraudulently “beating” Bernie Sanders in the primaries. (For the evidence of all those thefts, see “Democracy Lost,” from Election Justice USA:
    And so what’s needed now is not more windy speculation as to why Trump “won” and Clinton “lost,” or any further guessing as to what might happen next because of those ostensible results, or any more indignant assignation of the blame for them.

    More at:

    See for details on how the software used in the USA’s computerised voting machines appears to be designed to facilitate vote rigging.

    • Tom

      The Leave campaign also made claims about the referendum being rigged before winning it. A diversionary tactic, perhaps?
      What we’re seeing now is the establishment’s themselves being thwarted by perhaps even more sinister outside forces – given that both Cameron and Clinton had the full support of the establishments of their countries. We’re also seeing a similar attitude of gloating at and rubbishing the losers.

      • Mick McNulty

        The losers on both sides ask for it by not accepting the results. Many Brits believe the 2015 General Election was rigged but you didn’t hear us say it should be discounted, we voiced our opinion and got on with life. Then came Brexit and all of a sudden the losers were talking about another vote – which is an EU mechanism to get the vote they want – the very EU we voted to get rid of. The Tories stole the election, we accepted it. Those who lost the referendum [which was still rigged!] need to accept it.

  • bevin

    Trump spent $17.3 million on election ads. Hillary spent $96.4 million.
    Including ads purchased by outside parties, the figures are:
    Trump $33.6 million. Hillary $156.6 million.Or slightly less than five times as much.

    • Trowbridge H. Ford

      Ridiculous claim. as it doesn’t account for the 800 million Trump’s campaign spent while Hillary’s spent over a billion.

      And Trump spent his money much more wisely, bribing all those replacements for the dead, departed and new voters, especially in Michigan and Pennsylvania, to register which put him over the top.

      The biggest corruption plot in US history.

  • giyane

    At last we can leave it to politicians to wield power, now that the free world has binned Clinton Bin Neo-Con.

  • nevermind

    US HQ at Bagram has been rocked by two suicide bombers this morning 5.30am and extra medical as well security forces have been drawn to there.
    This followed an attack last week on the German consular in Masar iSharif killing four and injuring 128, it was carried out as retaliation for 30 civilians killed in an air attack in Kunduz the Taliban said.

    lets see whether Trump carries on with wasting billions and getting nowhere fast. Just don’t get time to read Sikunder this week, too busy at present.

    • michael norton

      When Obomber got into the white house, he claimed he was going to shut Guantanamo
      did he do it?

      If he did not manage it, perhaps The Donald can close it.

      • Why be Ordinary

        Congress did everything it could to stop Obama doing it – would they treat Trump differently

  • Mick McNulty

    Somebody else mentioned it a while ago but there were no atrocities like mass shootings during the latter part of the US election cycle. That would be when it would be most useful, most noticeable, to commit atrocities to highlight a political cause, which all adds to the claim that every recent atrocity was a FALSE FLAG committed by the US Deep State. I don’t believe one Muslim or loner committed any.

  • Sharp Ears

    HiLLarious! A petition.

    Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19
    Over 3.364,000 signatures

    It whines on….

    ‘On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine – which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!

    We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states’ votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton. Why?

    Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. His scapegoating of so many Americans, and his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault, and utter lack of experience make him a danger to the Republic.

    Secretary Clinton WON THE POPULAR VOTE and should be President.
    Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason Trump “won” is because of the Electoral College.

    But the Electoral College can actually give the White House to either candidate. So why not use this most undemocratic of our institutions to ensure a democratic result?

    There is no reason Trump should be President.

    “It’s the ‘People’s Will'”

    No. She won the popular vote.

    “Our system of government under our Constitution says he wins”

    No. Our Constitution says the Electors choose.

    “Too many states prohibit ‘Faithless Electors'”

    24 states bind electors. If electors vote against their party, they usually pay a fine. And people get mad. But they can vote however they want and there is no legal means to stop them in most states.’

    A little like the Bliarites hoping to undo the Brexit vote.

  • giyane

    Trump sees Obama’s inability to implement commonsense in domestic and foreign policy and the US people respect him for talking about it. It doesn’t make sense for any country to borrow money to subsidise record low pay levels with working tax credit or other benefits which lure impoverished foreigners to the borrowed treasure.

    All you end up with is rich employers who don’t have to pay a realistic salary to the majority of their workers and vast trillions of debt, plus a better gene bank. And the UK people spoke. We don’t want, like Blair, policies that impoverish the nation and soak the rich at the nation’s expense. We want policies that serve the people, make us solvent, and put an end to the need for benefits.

    Obviously that’s lunacy for Blairites because in faux socialism it’s obvious that the state cow is there to be milked. The state cow is also there for neo-colonial projects, like surrepticiously wrecking distant countries that have a chance of becoming your competitors in cultural qualities and wealth. Libya was wrecked by the UK and French ground forces helping Al Qaida, and Syria is there to be further raped by the French Foreign Legion and the UK SAS.

    The last thing Theresa May is going to tell about Brexit is that it was a vote against Neo-colonialism of Germany and France in the European Union. The last thing you will hear in the next few weeks about Trump he represents is a popular rejection of Neo-colonialism. The neo-colonials want everyone to talk about immigrants, tax-cuts, trade agreements, anything in fact except the will of the people to end neo-colonial/conservative war on behalf of Zionists.

    The people of the world want peace, and the governments want war. What we will see in Donald Trump’s term of office is how, like Hammond and May, the US politicians frustrate the plain and clear mandate
    of the people for peace.

    • giyane

      If rival gardeners applied daily doses of paraquat weedkiller to eachothers’ dahlias, or one of them applied the poison themselves to their own garden, wouldn’t they get thrown out of the village fete? In future I will refer to Zionism as paraquat, in the hope of avoiding automated moderation threats.

      E,g, In order to make sense of Trump and what just happened it will be necessary to investigate for traces of the use of paraquat.

  • Anon1

    According to today’s Times, the anti-democratic EU has been threatening Britain again:

    EU warns May over Trump:
    ‘Delusional’ Britain will be punished if it seeks trade deal with president-elect


    Well, the delusional EU can take a running jump, because we’re leaving before the whole edifice collapses anyway. Mrs May should tell them to fuck right off.

    • kief

      Clapper is just another neocon bell-ringer.

      No one knows who leaked. I don’t know about Fukushima, but many other unexplained outages have occurred. Contractor laptops were infected en masse to be sure it got in Natanz. Those same laptops infected a major swath of the stand-alones, and according to insiders we came close to Harmageddon.

      It’s not over yet. I think all the autos that have had ‘stuck’ gas pedals are one of the examples.

    • Trowbridge H. Ford

      Of course, the releasing of the Stuxnet virus on Iran’s centrifuge system resulted in the murder of leaker John P. Wheeler, III who was in the process of telling ali-Resa Pahlavi, the heir to the Iranian throne who had given up on overthrowing its mulllahs, and who died questionably shortly after Wheeler’s murder, all about it.

      And the Fukushima disaster was again, like the Indian Ocean earthquakes and tsunamis of December 2004, the result of the Pentagon’s special attack submarines, most likely the USS Jimmy Carter, overcooking the sea bed with its lasers, causing the Tohoku collapse.,

    • kief

      My wet-dream months back was that he just might not be a redneck. He would shake up the status quo. It’s a bit early to reverse my feeling he’s what he seems, but some good signs he’s is actually going to do good. He showed no tells on the debates. I concluded he was full-leaded troglodyte and devolutionary.

      But his keystone campaign promise was to get rid of Obamacare. He isn’t.

      Then there’s this incredible bit of good news. The circle-jerk may come to some conclusion.

    • kief

      Truly Trump is the metaphor for unintended consequences.

      It’s true that you will almost never go wrong for not giving the reasons or explain why you voted for Trump, or didn’t vote for Trump. He’s an enigma wrapped in a mystery and delivered by the electorate.

  • Sharp Ears

    RT are running this on their banner headlines quoting one of the Wikileaks Podesta e-mails.

    ‘ Soros-fronted orgs among groups calling for anti-Trump protests (VIDEO)
    Some of the anti-Trump protests in the US have been organized by groups that were sponsored by Clinton sympathizer and billionaire George Soros.

    Some of the anti-Trump protests in the US have been organized by groups that were sponsored by Clinton sympathizer and billionaire George Soros.

    Among Wikileaks’ Podesta emails was a strategy document involving the Soros-supported and grassroots organizing and funding. issued a press release on Wednesday afternoon about the protests where they wrote “hundreds of Americans, dozens of organizations to gather peacefully outside the White House and in cities and towns nationwide to take a continued stand against misogyny, racism, Islamophobia, and xenophobia.”’

    12 November 2016

    Nov 12, 2016 01:32

    • Why be Ordinary

      Surely “Soros funded” – if it were Soros fronted we would know anyway and they would not have to tell us.

      • kief

        She’s still enamored with the Witch-killer and gives great credence to the compromised upload.

  • Resident Dissident

    Of course no one in the Russian political establishment is sickened by Putin’s corruption as he is just setting the standard to which they aspire – and they know of course that nothing of their wrongdoings will be reported in the Putin controlled media – which is of course not a claim that can be made about the US media whatever its faults.

    No intelligent person with liberal or progressive views can of course well the election of Trump with his racist, misogynist and proto- fascist views – of course many here are more than happy to join his alliance with those who share his views such as Farage, Le Pen, Wilders, Orban, Assad and Putin – since lets make no mistake anything that does harm to Western democracies will get their support.

    • kief

      And wrongheaded support without an inkling of the long-term consequences of a political crap-shoot they see as only good. As you see I have tentatively amended my opinion, based on BEHAVIORS, not words with no substantiation. The vast majority here are deluded. And their shit don’t stink neither. 🙂

      • Resident Dissident

        “Sorry, but I think that the Western media is worse than Russia’s”

        Why? Because it allows the publication/airing of alternative views? Many journalists have exposed/commented on the corruption of the Clinton’s in the US media – where are the Russian equivalents?

        • Trowbridge H. Ford

          Where are of the views about Trump’s massive bribery of the American electorate?

          Or where are all the expressions of interest in its covert warfare, especially its use of space weapons?

          Or where does it express any interest in its conspiracies, particularly of its own leaders like JFK, MLK, RFK, etc., ad nauseam, only dismissing any ideas about them as loony tunes?

          I can go endlessly on, but I have really serious things to do today, like clean my apartment, walking my dog, go shopping, etc.

      • lysias

        You obviously also disagree with me, and I have four degrees from very respectable universities.

        I don’t want to identify those universities, as I don’t want to make it too easy to identify me. But, as I’ve already said on this forum that one of them is Oxford, it does no harm to mention that again.

        And another thing that I have already mentioned is that I am a retired officer of the U.S. Navy.

        So your presumption that the mere possession of credentials implies agreement with you is clearly faulty.

        • Trowbridge H. Ford

          Why volunteer your alleged education when it wasn’t necessary?

          Like which ones? If true, you have nothing to lose by naming them, as you are not supplying your name.

          And I know a retired Captain in the US Navy who only finished high school.

          And I know all kinds of loons who went to respectable institutions of higher learning who never learned anything from them. And I only learned from them after a stint in the US Army, and two years working for a newspaper.

          • lysias

            So now you admit that people who have studied at college may very well disagree with you.

            Which was my point.

          • Trowbridge H. Ford

            You were disagreeing with RD.

            And my complaints with college attendees is that they had no real opinion at all, just nonsense.

            I always encouraged coherent conservative opinions by others, though I am a radical.

          • kief

            I had a Medical Sociology Prof who was always preening his degrees and research triumphs. The grade for the semester was open-note final exam…..notes from his lectures of course. Most arrogant blowhard I ever met.

    • lysias

      I didn’t vote for Trump. I voted for Jill Stein. But I certainly welcome the fact that the threat of war with Russia has disappeared with Trump’s election.

      • Resident Dissident

        The right often fall out with each other – remember how Erdogan and Putin were good buddies for a long time.

      • Trowbridge H. Ford

        Right, tell that to war monger General Flynn, Trump’s likely Secretary of Defense.

        And if Trump is such a peacemaker, why didn’t you vote for him?

        Did you ever finish high school, much less go to a college in the University of Oxford?

        • lysias

          I never considered voting for Trump because I didn’t want it to be on my conscience that I had voted for him if he proceeded to turn himself into a dictator, as his opponents were predicting. And anyway I didn’t agree with a lot of the policies he was advocating.

          I voted for Jill Stein with enthusiasm because I agreed with her on almost every issue. Now my conscience will rest easy.

          And I am very glad that neocon warmonger Hillary did not win. “We came, we saw, he died, (cackle).” The words and the laugh of a psychopath.

        • kief

          He’s already used the code word “International Bankers’ in a speech a few weeks back.

          I don’t think the jury is in that issue either.

    • kief

      If Trump continues to make a mockery of his ‘promises’ he hasn’t long to live. Either he’ll die in a plane crash, or the stress will debilitate his health to an early demise. Perhaps he could be lynched by conservatives.

      Perhaps he’s gonna keep one half placated his SCOTUS choice and abortion foes will be gleeful, Progs will melt down but be happy with minor changes to Obamacare. Of course I’m speculating, not signing with blood it’s all true and verifiable.

    • kief

      Do you think Trump will pardon Assange? I hope so. I want him out of there. He’s stewing in his own proverbial juices and needs a breath of fresh air for his health and ours. I don’t want any more tainted uploads fucking with the concept of Anonymous and Wikileaks.

      If journalists just published everything given to them without vetting it some way…..well…we’d have the Media of Today. 🙂

        • kief

          You are aware that Sweden wants him, and the US wants him, right? I have a feeling all Trump has to do is call Sweden and it’s all over.

        • Clark

          “How?” – (1) disband the Grand Jury and (2) absolve Chelsea Manning on the grounds of public interest.

          There is about zero chance of Trump doing either.

          • Trowbridge H. Ford

            The only thing that comes to mind in this regard is Clinton pardoning Al Schwimmer whose mistakes about Iran-Contra arms running resulted in Palme’s assassination, and that most risky non-nuclear showdown with the Soviets.

            Special Counsel Lawrence Walsh sent him to prison for trying to force those Hawk missiles through Sweden without a user certificate for wanting them.

            Schwimmer explained the pardon by stating that he had broken the sanctions against arms shipments to Israel though never even charged years before when it was just getting started.

            It was a pardon for a non existent crime he had done to hide ones he had.

            Of course, our media never explained the hokus-pocus.

  • Mark Golding

    Navin Nayak, head of the Clinton campaign’s opinion research division thinks James Comey Is partially responsible For Trump’s win:

    Clinton aide Huma Abedin and her husband, former Rep. Anthony Weiner. Weiner had been under federal investigation over allegations that he traded sexually explicit messages with an underage girl. Abedin and Weiner separated last August.

    Another hat in the jungle…

  • Republicofscotland

    Boris Johnson, who’s moonlighting as the British foreign secretary. Has informed EU ministers that he won’t, be attending a meeting with them to discuss Trumps presidential win.

    Instead Johnson, will continue with foreign affairs as usual on Monday. Johnson has the canny knack, of upsetting people and his blatant snub, aimed at EU ministers will go down like a lead balloon.

    Reading between the lines, it seems Johnson, and May are emboldened, by warm words allegedly exchanged between president-elect Trump and the Tory government. However, there’s the small matter of Brexit, on the horizon, and snubbing EU ministers, certainly won’t help when it comes to negotiations.

  • Republicofscotland

    Meanwhile Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, has compared Donald Trump’s win, with the Tory mantra in the UK.

    Corbyn says that Trump, like the Tories doesn’t offer any soultions, to important questions such as low wages, or underfunded public services, but like the Tories, he (Trump) would rather lay the blame at someone elses door.

    Mr Corbyn added that Trump had also touted slogans, a trait often used by the Tories.

    No doubt May and Trump, will get on like a house on fire, both have acted in what could be described as a xenophobic manner, both have tried to marginalise certain sections of society, and both in my opinion, will continue to protect the rich, and keep wages to a minimum.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    I can well believe that Paul Joseph Watson comes from Sheffield, but I thought he had been Alex Jones’s sidekick for about 10 years. To be honest, I could never stand Alex Jones – mainly due to his voice and other personal reasons.

    Paul Joseph Watson, however – from the little I can find about him – claims to be only 26 years old (nearly 27). Does this mean that Alex Jones took him on as an apprentice?

    Very few people under the age of 50, can put on a performance like this, unless they are an exceedingly good musician.

    Don’t worry about his politics (which you probably won’t agree with) just look at his performance.

    This is well worth watching unless you are one of the complete and utter morons he is referring to.

    The Kid’s got style, and unlike Alex Jones, I really like his accent.

    “The Truth About the Trump Protests”


  • Republicofscotland

    Re Donald Trump, it would appear he has no problem, with nepotism.

    “A quarter of Donald Trump’s transition team are members of his family.”

    “Ivanka, Eric, Donald Jr and son-in-law Jared Kushner will all help the President-elect

    “Mr Trump has filled the 16-member executive committee with his daughter Ivanka, his sons Eric and Donald Junior, and his son-in-law Jared Kushner.”

    Maybe Trump, will also employ Michelle Obama to pen his wife’s speeches.

    • kief

      There is a logic to it. Who should he trust for advice? Spinning wheels busy making wool out of whole cloth have many hands at work.

      • Republicofscotland

        Yes I suppose you have a point there, however, is it the image (does Trump even have a respectable image I wonder) that he want to portray to the outside world.

        What will the American public make of jobs for the family, especially if those same American’s can’t find work themselves.

        • kief

          If i read him correctly he doesn’t care what people, outside his family think. But I have seen glimpses of humanity, like when Ted Cruz was almost lynched during the Convention. Trump came out from backstage so the audience could see him give Cruz a thumbs’ up. Later, it was learned he truly was convinced the crowd was gonna get him.

          • Republicofscotland

            “If i read him correctly he doesn’t care what people, outside his family think. ”


            Don’t take this the wrong way, but I hope you haven’t read him (Trump) correctly. What kind of POTUS, will he be if he doesn’t give two hoots about the American publics wishes. I hear you say a typical one.?

            Still I can’t quite see, or take seriously for that matter, Ivanka Trump, giving a important speech to world leaders, or convince foreign businesses to invest in America.

            Unless of course someone writes her proposed speeches for her again. I suppose the Donald could threaten them with some form of wall (Israel excluded as they’ve already illegally built theirs) if they don’t play ball.

          • kief

            I didn’t say he didn’t care. Like me, he isn’t needy or approval seeking. There’s a difference.

  • Republicofscotland

    One aspect, I do like about Trump (if he’s true to his word) is his threat not to come to the aid of other Nato nations, if they’re attacked.

    Nato in my opinion, has become far to big for its boots, acting like a self appointed world police force, deciding who gets toppled and who doesn’t.

    Don’t get me wrong, Nato served a purpose, at one time but now 67 years, and 28 nations later, Nato, is a cumbersome entity that rides roughshod, over nations, that they decide need Nato intervention.

    If Trump decides to ignore Article 5 a core Nato prinicple that see’s other Nato nations come to the aid of another under attack. Then the other 27 Nato members would think twice before issuing a collective threat.

    Still Trump, ever the businessman (whether he has the acumen is another matter) has hinted that any Nato nation under attack, would need to pay the US, to intervene in a military sense.

    • Anon1

      Trump’s point was that if Nato members expect the US to come to their aid, they should pull their weight and pay their way witin Nato – something most of them aren’t doing at present. Yet again you haven’t a clue what you are talking about.

      • Why be ordinary?

        Listen to what Trump has been saying, not just in the past two years but over the past two decades. As far back as 2000, Trump (or his ghostwriter) declared in a book that European conflicts ‘are not worth American lives. Pulling back from Europe would save this country millions of dollars annually.’ Last July, he suggested he would think twice about defending any Nato member who was attacked – something that the Nato treaty implies America should do.
        Instead, his response would depend on whether the country attacked had ‘fulfilled their obligations to us’, whatever that means. In the only foreign policy speech he gave during the entire campaign, Trump deliberately used the expression ‘America first’ – a slogan famously used by American isolationists who wanted to keep the US out of the Second World War and which may now calamitously signify ‘Britain alone’ as far as the new administration is concerned.

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  • Tony_0pmoc

    We are living through strange times.

    I honestly didn’t think Theresa May was going to take BREXIT seriously – but she seems determined to implement the Democratic will of The British people.

    Meanwhile, from two different sources – it appears that US Policy has already been changed re Syria.

    Now of course I have read the counter arguments, that the President of the USA has no real power at all, and is just a puppet of The Deep State – The Ruling Elite…

    If you think Leaders of countries have absolutely no real power to change anything, and democracy is a complete illusion – a view that I have largely held – since my kids told me not to vote for any of these horrible people…then check out a bit of history…

    Or ask the Russians…

    Who is still the most popular leader even in the USA?

    Putin comes up Trumps in almost every honest opinion poll conducted in the USA over the last few years…

    Its like Black is White and Left is Right

    Its just that neither ordinary Americans nor ordinary Europeans can stand these complete and utter insane Warmongering Neocons that infiltrated us and were in control.

    Maybe I’m being too optimistic. The slugs, and the slime will still remain.

    Beer works quite well, and is far more ecologically friendly than slug pellets.

    The slugs die happy – and the birds continue singing whilst eating their dead remains.


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