There Is Another England 1079


Given the centuries of economic exploitation, political domination and depopulation, I perfectly understand why many Scots support any team at the World Cup which is playing England. But, with an English mother and two English grandparents who largely brought me up, I do not feel that way and I raised a glass at Harry Kane’s late winner. Let me tell you why.

My grandfather Henry was a lifelong socialist who had no illusions about the British Empire and its role in the World. Yet he was also a patriotic Englishman whose life, like so many of his generation, was largely defined by the struggle against Nazism, in which his only son had been killed. That focus on the Second World War partly explained his fondness for the Soviet Union, in discussing the abuses of which he would always remark “But you have to consider what came before. Given where they started, they are making progress”. He would recite “A man’s a man for a’that” to me as a small child and explain its meaning. Yet Henry would fly his St George’s flag proudly when occasion warranted it. I do not therefore automatically associate that flag with UKIP or with Essex man.

Because there is another England, that from which Henry sprang, the England documented lovingly by E P Thomson and vividly recorded by Robert Tressell, the England of William Hazlitt, Mary Wollstonecraft, the Putney debates and Thomas Paine. Michael Foot embodied the inherited wisdom of that tradition and it has re-emerged with unexpected vigour in the shape of Jeremy Corbyn, a man whose attraction lies in the very fact he encapsulates notions of basic decency that the English political elite had attempted to cast off.

I regard Scottish Independence as part of the continuing process of decolonisation. Ireland’s population will in the next decade overtake Scotland’s for the first time in centuries, and as of today Ireland’s GDP per capita stands 25% higher. Scotland can never achieve its potential without first achieving its Independence. But we can do that without wishing ill to our neighbours; some of them are quite nice.


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  • John Goss

    “Scotland can never achieve its potential without first achieving its Independence. But we can do that without wishing ill to our neighbours; some of them are quite nice.”

    The sentiment is fine. But there are those who wish ill to their neighbours. There is a lot of talk that Islam is the sole target of, shall we call it “New World Order” or “Full-Spectrum Dominance”. That is not true. You and I are equally the targets (especially I) and there are others.

    Many will not agree with this article. I can understand that. But can I ask you please before digging out a few phrases, and attempting to demolish them on behalf of whoever’s agenda you support, to scroll to the bottom where you will find a large number of covers from some of the longest established UK and US political glossies all carrying a similar message. The message is: “Blame Russia, Blame Putin”. So not just Islam.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/hating-putin-jewish-owned-media-final-update-economist-time-newsweek-and-rest

    • laguerre

      ‘Blame Putin’ is obviously a standard theme, but blame ‘Jewish-owned media’ is not right. For example, Dacre and the obscenities produced by the Mail, has nothing to do with the Jews. It is purely Anglo-Saxon.

      Frankly now, Scotland should go for independence. The catastrophe that England has become is not worth staying with.

    • Iain Stewart

      “You and I are equally the targets (especially I) and there are others.”
      Original idea there, being especially equal.

  • Dave Lawton

    The news today. And cover up.
    The Gosport War Memorial Hospital scandal that saw at least 450 people have their lives shortened, has probably been repeated at other institutions, a top health safety data specialist has said.
    Professor Sir Brian Jarman, head of the Dr Foster Unit at Imperial College London, told BBC Radio Four “it’s likely” that similar events were happening in other hospitals.
    In an interview ITV News Professor Jarman said he has signed another “ten mortality alerts,” which have been sent to hospitals.
    The relatives of those who died have called for prosecutions and are fundraising for a legal challenge.
    The role of the Dr Foster Unit is to analyse mortality rate data and provide alerts to the Department of Health for investigation, but Professor Jarman said information produced by the unit was not properly assessed.
    He continued that there is a culture of denial in the NHS and condemned the way whistle-blowers are treated.
    http://www.itv.com/news/2018-06-21/gosport-war-memorial-hospital-opioid-scandal/
    The EU created Common Purpose to place fifth columnists throughout the British state institutions and were involved in this cover up. This will be an uncomfortable truth for many. They also infiltrated the BBC years ago. Notice how they cut him off when he mentioned the name. This is a ongoing investigation. It`s Manslaughter or murder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=kMDmHQpeGC0

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Dave Lawton June 21, 2018 at 22:00
      ‘Eyewitness to medical murder of William Combes’:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd5-oH9RELM&feature=youtu.be

      Though Kevin’s allegations sound OTT, he has an impressive background; here is an award-winning documentary he made:
      ‘UNREPENTANT: Kevin Annett and Canada’s Genocide’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mbjHz-9ViE
      I have met him two or three times in London, but he is now barred from entering the country.
      There has been a huge cover-up of the Canadian genocide and ethnocide, perpetrated in State and religious ‘boarding schools’.

      • Dave Lawton

        Paul Barbara
        June 22, 2018 at 05:24

        Thanks for that Paul.Sadly there is a lot of it about and needs to be exposed.

    • Jo Dominich

      Hi Dave, thanks for this post. Professor Jarman is absolutely right, there is a chronic culture of denial within the NHS and they positively hate whistleblowers. People don’t understand that human life is cheap to the NHS – it is mostly an entirely self-serving bureacracy that has concern only to build empires within and reward themselves. Treatment of patients come way down their list of priorities. They way the elderly are talked about and treated by the NHS is truly scandalous. The public would be shocked to know the truth about how many older people go into hospital for a routine matter and come out unable to walk due to a lack of care, physiotherapy and poor medical practice. They are also severely bullied by consultants and staff to go into residential care (their families are also bullied) so as to save the NHS money. Shropshire, Shipman and now Gosport are far common than people think and the NHS is totally adept at cover ups, grabbing the media attention by reducing front line services whilst increasing management posts and quite frankly, don’t give a damn about patient welfare.

      • Ian

        that is a wild exaggeration. Most people in the NHS fully understand why the savage cuts to councils and social care have resulted in the problems experienced with older people trapped in hospitals who need care. And while there anomalies, and executives who are management school idiots, most people have ver positive experiences of the NHS and its staff. They also understand the pressures they are working under, and consistently agree in polls that they would pay more tax to properly fund health care.

        • Jo Dominich

          Hi Ian, thanks for your response. Unfortunately, it is not a wild exaggeration. I have seen too much of how the elderly are treated in hospitals to be able to agree with you. It is not the case that older people are trapped in hospitals who need care are the result of savage cuts. Let’s be clear abut this. There have certainly been savage cuts to social services as a result of Cameron’s and now this Govt’s slashing of Local authority budgets. There have not, however, been savage cuts to the NHS Budget. In addition, the NHS has surreptitiously, since the introduction of the NHS and Community Care Act, passed over expenditure for services which they not only receive funding for but are health based services not social care. To name but a few, Continuing Health Care, District nursing tasks, rehabilitation services to name but a few. Social services do not receive any funding for these but are obliged to fund services to ensure the service user gets what they need. Two years after the Delayed Discharge Act was introduced, the DoH research found that social services were not responsible for the majority of bed blocking. The majority was due to failures within the NHS system i.e. that patients were waiting for rehabilitation services, for specialist medical services, for transfers to other hospitals, for further surgery, for X-rays and so on and so forth. It is indeed, not a fact that the majority of people have ‘positive experiences’ of the NHS and its staff. They don’t. What you never see is the number of complaints received, the length of time (i.e. up to 3 years) for the NHS to even deal with them (many of them serious complaints) and how they cover them up. Thousands and thousands of people are seriously dissatisfied with their GP services – many of which are failing practices. No civilised country should have a system whereby patients (unless you can pay privately then you get priority) should have to wait anything up to four weeks to get an appointment with the GP. There have been many well publicised cases where GPs have spectacularly failed to diagnose serious illnesses and/or make referrals for further assessment leading to many unnecessary deaths, permanent disability and other complications. Leaving the publicised cases aside, it is a worse malaise than you imagine with GPs, a lot worse than you think in fact. The NHS are not short of money. They have no financial controls within the system. Budget holders can spend their money on what they like – even create jobs for their in-laws if they want to – without any sanction when they go over budget and cannot deliver services. They misspend millions and millions of pounds of public money – mainly on themselves. I could go on but I won’t. It is entirely inappropriate to give the NHS any more money either from the Government or through tax payers – who are already getting a very poor service indeed from the NHS – until the NHS axe 60% of their unnecessary management jobs and create more beds and more front line posts. Let’s take the recent so called ‘winter pressures’ crisis. Rubbish. The NHS pull this stunt every year always with a different excuse. Did you hear any NHS spokesperson say if you give us another 20million pounds we will open a further 10,000 beds and employ a further 500 nursing staff. Did you hear one bona fide bit of evidence that there was a crisis at all – because I certainly didn’t notice one. No, they would take the money and I will tell you with absolute confidence what they would do with it. They would create three management tier posts to manage the crisis and not put a penny into resolving the issue by creating more clinical beds and posts. I am sick and tired of hearing sympathy for them. If Social Services were indulging in financial mismanagement on this scale – the Press would have savaged them, absolutely savaged them by now.

          • James Charles

            Someone agrees with you?
            “It is stressed that Dr Jane Barton is not accused of murder. Although she was knowingly wiping out patients at such a rate that successive Gov’ts concealed what she had done.

            We are told, again, that such practices are not happening at present. Oh yes they are, in so far as patients are being killed by reckless negligent Top Docs and it is being concealed by Gov’t.

            For God’s sake everyone, wake up. There is a pattern here which stretches back to the very beginning of the NHS: Top Doctor kills lots and lots of patients. Gov’t knows. Report confirms the worst fears. Report suppressed for at least 10 yrs. General public then told that it was a long time ago and it couldn’t happen now. It is happening now, but Gov’t is concealing it and will commission a Report in a few years time which will then be suppressed for 10 yrs…”

            http://www.drsallybaker.com/uncategorized/interesting-facts/

  • John Goss

    The following comment went into moderation.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/06/there-is-another-england/comment-page-3/#comment-756135

    as witnessed here.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/127161425@N07/42224288224/in/dateposted-public/

    Then the page flicked over. Somebody does not want you to see it. Ask yourselves why! I would not point this out were it not for the fact that the truth is being taken out of our hands. My comments are being shadow-banned everywhere, whether they have links or not embedded.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Sharp Ears June 21, 2018 at 20:47
      Perhaps ‘M*M’ has now been added to the algorithm. Doesn’t seem there’s anything else that would trigger an automatic ‘moderation’.

        • glenn_nl

          John – surely you’re not suggesting this site is controlled by “anti-Putin zio-owned media and its backers” ?

          Comments often go into moderation here, there’s nothing sinister about it.

          • John Goss

            I’m suggesting Glenn that MSM has an anti-Putin agenda.

            The shadow-banning attacks are normally associated with Facebook, comments on RT and elsewhere, and do not necessarily have anything to do with Facebook or the RT messaging service. However because I have proof of these (more than one proof) I have to be more vigilant than those who are in line with the MSM agenda.

            As others have commented, to be shadow-banned suggests you are doing something right.

        • Andyoldlabour

          John, that is an excellent article and summing up of the Dimbleby “fairy story” on Putin and Russia.
          I watched the programme and ended up shouting at the telly as much as I do when England are playing their usual brand of football. The difference between the two being that the England team are not hurting anyone, but Dimbleby, the paid shill for the establishment is doing a propaganda hatchet job.
          I hope that this Russophobia stops soon, but I feel that it is being pushed by the same cabal who took us to war in Iraq.

          • John Goss

            Andyoldlabour, quite right. There are too many still trusting our media, the good old BBC which put out nightly pictures of the protests on the Maidan, Kiev, until there was a change of government not supportive of Russia. Then, despite 10,000 having died in the first civil-war there for 100 years, did not find it newsworthy any more. Shame on Dimbleby’s BBC.

  • glenn_nl

    ” ‘Tender age’ Detention Centers” – jails for seized toddlers and babies:

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/780142/yes-seizing-migrant-babies-toddlers-locking-tender-age-detention-centers

    Maybe the Trump apologists will put on a better show this time around. Last night’s challenge to them over this only got exceptionally weak answers from the likes of Loony and Anon1. So let’s give them another chance.

    Lies told so far, by way of excuse :

    – It’s not happening (Yes it is)
    – OK, but nothing has changed – it’s a “Democrat” law (No, it’s a new Trump policy, not law at all)
    – The Democrats need to change the law (despite Republicans holding the White house, Senate and Congress)
    – We’re only implementing the Law (No they are not)
    – It’s a good thing that we’re doing!

    And that’s just from the White House, not his feeble apologists here. Maybe Loony will say the journalist broke down while telling on the story because she hates immigrants so much. You’re losing a bit of credibility here, mate – I’ve got to tell you.

    So come on, please – I want to hear your excuses for your hero on this one.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ glenn_nl June 21, 2018 at 22:2
      If the ‘orange critter’ thinks it’s such ‘..a good thing that we’re doing!..’, why is he back-tracking?
      Couldn’t be that his red-neck ‘backers’ have got the jitters about the upcoming elections, by any chance?

      • glenn_nl

        Paul: Republicans tend to back Trump no matter how racist and disgusting his policies. The leadership was counting on this to get out the vote, and probably thought it would prove popular. Clearly, they’ve lost their nerve. It won’t stop Trump worshipers/ apologists carrying water for them, of course.

        As you say – why reverse direction otherwise? It proves that all their excuses for this policy was untrue.

        Another explanation is that they were hoping to blame Dems for this outrage, and get them to agree to a much more draconian anti-immigrant law (which would forever after be blamed on them), and drop this child-snatching policy as a bargaining chip.

    • Loony

      In the unlikely event that you have any genuine interest in the situation on the US/Mexico border try watching this interview with Chris Cabrera on CNN.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-pEisDI7-8

      I think you will find that it answers most of your questions. So no doubt you will rapidly form the opinion that CNN are a fascist news organization dedicated to a slavish and irrational hatred of immigrants.

      • glenn_nl

        Impugn motives, duck the question, and make cheap insults – that’s all you’ve got.

          • glenn_nl

            Sure there’s evidence – your own words. Everyone knows what a racist bastard you are, stop being so coy, man up, and own it.

      • MightyDrunken

        Anon1 when did you lose your humanity?
        Did you enjoy it?
        Who took it away?

        • Anon1

          We probably have different ideas about what constitutes humanity, MD. I don’t believe that airing your various obsessions on a comments board constitutes humanity, but doubtless some people do. That’s the problem with the modern left – it’s just virtue signalling and pet prejudice dressed up as humanity. You wouldn’t know what I do for other people.

          It’s all a game anyway. Glenn simply wants me to either say that I don’t support Trump on this, so he can cry “Told you so!” like a little child, or support Trump on this, so he can call me a racist fascist or whatever.

          I really don’t care. Trump’s doing a good job for America and for Americans and he backed down on this policy anyway. Trump’s presidency marks the beginning of the end for the established liberal order and that’s what really gets Glenn. But it’s a far cry from the “literally Hitler” and nuclear Armageddon that we were promised by Glenn when he was getting so completely hysterical about Trump before and after the election.

          • glenn_nl

            This is going to be your response to every criticism I make about Trump, right?

            I wanted to hear your excuses for this policy of Trump’s. But you – and your equally fascist-loving chum Loony – have got nothing at all. All that crap right above from you is desperate smoke-blowing. If you had anything (other than “I don’t care”, of course), you’d be providing it.

  • laguerre

    I’m preparing my house now in France for receiving British refugees after Brexit day. It will be needed, I think.

    • Loony

      Why not take a few refugees that the Italians are trying to deport, surely that would fit better with most peoples understanding of the word union, a union that includes both France and Italy but will not include the UK.

      Like I explained earlier the EU goose is cooked – and your sudden desire to host refugees from outside of the EU when you have plenty already inside the EU tells all sane people all they need to know.

      • laguerre

        You fail to distinguish between refugees and migrants. Refugees i’ll accept, migrants not my affair.

        Remarkable that Britain’ s responsibility for the floods of refugees in 2015 is rejected. Keep the fuckers out, even if our actions led to them leaving. It’s all typical Brexiterism. Keep the fuckers out, we don’t need them.

        • bj

          Remarkable that Britain’ s responsibility for the floods of refugees in 2015 is rejected. Keep the fuckers out, even if our actions led to them leaving.

          Exactly.

          Actions have consequences.

          • Paul Barbara

            @ bj June 22, 2018 at 00:06
            ‘…Actions have consequences.’
            Exactly, as Tony Bliar’s bank manager will tell you.

    • Andyoldlabour

      Thanks bj, there is a lot of stuff to read through there. I think the government have tied themselves into knots with this case, and the media will just be told to bury it.

  • Daisy Walker

    Well said. A love letter of sorts.

    I long for my neighbours to show heart, I know it beats,
    But its drowned out, drowned out, at every level,
    I know decency – intrinsic tae yer bones,
    but its drowned out, drowned out, by media and tory drones.

    Ah England, yeh dinna ken, but the shackles’, the shackle’s yours.

  • Sharp Ears

    Kill. Kill.

    ‘US-led airstrike ‘kills 8 people’ in Syria’s Deir ez-Zor – state media
    21 Jun 2018

    At least eight people have been killed in Syria following an airstrike by the US-led coalition in Deir ez-Zor province, according to state-run television.

    The airstrike, which targeted the village of al-Shaafa, also destroyed a number of houses, as well as infrastructure, according to SANA.’

    /..
    US-led airstrike ‘kills 8 people’ in Syria’s Deir ez-Zor – state media https://www.rt.com/news/430490-us-coalition-airstrike-syria/

      • Garth Carthy

        The US hegemony are freedom fighters – fighting for the “Free Market” – fighting for the right to be greedy pigs – greedy for money – greedy for power. They dress this up with Nazi-like propaganda and call it democracy.

        • Jo Dominich

          Both comments – excellent. However, do not forgot Israel who are run by a Government who are also effectively terrorists and who are supported by the USA. Russia and China are looking positively intelligent, forward thinking and rational as a contrast – the two most demonised countries by the West.

          • Andyoldlabour

            I totally agree Jo, but kind of lump Israel and the US together, in fact I don’t know where one starts and the other finishes.
            I think US foreign policy, particularly over the last 70 years has been disgusting – pure evil. How many millions have died as a result of their “exceptionalism”?

  • Sharp Ears

    70 years ago today, the Empire Windrush docked in Tilbury with 1027 passengers from the West Indies on board.

    They were badly treated here and were subjected to racial prejudice. ‘No Blacks, No Irish, No dogs’ said the signs on the boarding houses.

    The ship caught fire in the Mediterranean in 1954 and sank with the loss of four crew members.

    Q. Has Mr Javid sorted out the British citizenship status of the people yet? No.

    Q. Has there been any improvement in this country’s racism? Very little.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Sharp Ears June 22, 2018 at 09:21
      Where are all the ‘normal suspects’ who spring up in defence of anything to do with the ‘Exceptionals’?
      Unfortunately, that article, harrowing as it is, does reflect the attitude of a large part of the ‘Exceptional’ public.

      • Jo Dominich

        Sharp Ears, horrifying is the only word, truly horrific and it looks as though justice will not be served either. The USA left the UN Human Rights Council to protect this nation and these people. It seems ‘abuse of human rights’ only applies to countries they deem to be anti-USA. In fact, it isn’t an abuse of human rights – that’s too polite – I can’t think of an appropriately strong enough statement other than it is a horrific, inhumane, terrorist, depraved act of a nation run by a terrorist government who have little or no respect for anything other than their own right to kill, abuse, torture and massacre Palestinians and Arabs.

  • Republicofscotland

    Judicial corruption in Russia is widespread.

    “zakaznoye delo”, or prosecution to order – is “widespread and endemic” in Russia.”

    “So endemic is this procedure, that a rough tariff can, apparently, be put on how much each legal intervention would cost you in bungs and bribes to the appropriate officials. Opening a criminal investigation against a competitor might set you back $20,000 to $50,000.”

    “If a paramilitary police raid on a company office is what you’re after, then this might be bought for $30,000 in Putin’s Russia.”

    http://www.thenational.scot/news/16306962.How_a_Scottish_sheriff_stood_up_to_Russia_s_bent_legal_system/

  • Loony

    Hey it is time to celebrate – for today brings great news for all those whose love of the EU is balanced by a visceral hatred of all things Greek.

    The Germans have confirmed that so far Germany had turned a profit of 2.9 billion euros on the Greek debt crisis.

    http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2018/06/21/germany-profit-greece-crisis/

    Obviously this is mere chump change to a country that is running the worlds largest trade surplus – currently coming in at a pleasing $287 billion. But every penny counts as they say. All done of course through remarkable efficiency, and absolutely nothing to do with the economic destruction of Southern Europe which has the happy consequence of providing Germany with a much cheaper currency in which to price its goods. It is truly a virtuous circle, where all money heads to Berlin.

    It is all going so well that no doubt some money will be made available to launch a further assault on the racist and xenophobic British who are acting to end this fantastic altruism on the part of the Germans.

    As it was once, so shall it be again for there is nothing new under the Sun.

    • bj

      I’m having a hard time figuring out how you’re weaving sarcasm into statement and vice versa.

        • Loony

          No – I am of the opinion that the loans should never have been made and that there should have been a debt jubilee. This is opinion is predicated on the simple observation that debt that cannot be repaid will not be repaid.

          Anyone who looks at the numbers realizes that paying this debt is simply impossible. The only reason to keep Greece trapped in the eurozone is to weaken the euro and thus aid German exports.

          It is all a jolly game for the Europeans most of whom do not have a clue – and those that do are totally isolated. But fear not for the big kid on the block is making his move. Step forward Donald Trump and the US of A. Watching those responsible for this debacle get crushed is going to be good for the soul.

  • Séan

    I enjoyed your reasoning behind your support of England. I too have an English mother who’s parents were also English and who I loved dearly, but my father was an Irishman who I also loved dearly, and I grew up in England with a level of race hatred in the 70’s which no child should suffer, both from the children at school and a number of the teachers (Irish were the Muslims of the day back then). So never mind how much I love my mum, or the memory of my English Nan I can never wish England well because of the abuse I received. So I will be cheering Panama on Sunday and after that the Red Devil’s of Belgium, and may England truly get what she deserves.

    • John Goss

      I remember that Séan and apologise on behalf of those who gave you a bad time. Another aspect I remember was that the Irish in general were the butt of many jokes which must have been particularly hard for a child. Yet I recall too how good-humouredly Irish people seemed to tolerate this unacceptable behaviour. People like Dave Allen turned it to their advantage.

      But please don’t take it out on the English soccer team. They are from a different generation, young and talented. And revenge on others is not a healthy pursuit when the real targets of your angst are from another era..

    • Anthony

      Sean, Harry Kane’s dad is from Connemara – he’s one of your own. And lots of the players would be encountering discrimination were they not brilliant at football. It is not a team of John Terrys and Jack Wilsheres.

    • Andyoldlabour

      Sean, we are not all like that. I went to secondary school in the early to mid seventies, and although English with a Northern Irish mum, I was also bullied and abused at the English Roman Catholic school, mainly by the ignorant animals in the B class who wanted to join the British army when they left school, so that they could do a bit of “Paddy bashing” – that shows you their level of intelligence.
      Strangely enough, I again witnessed the same kind of conversation/rhetoric when I visited Carlsbad California in 2006. Some work colleagues and I went to a local sports bar, and there was a large group of US Marines from Camp Pendleton, and some guy said – “Can’t wait to get to Iraq so I can shoot some ragheads”.
      Some people are born evil, some people just develop a talent for being evil.

    • Herbie

      “(Irish were the Muslims of the day back then)”

      Yup.

      Very similar operation in many ways.

      Bur remember that by the 90s the Irish, or more particularly Irishness, had become the coolest thing on the planet.

      That’s media for you. They can turn it against you or for you or whatever they want.

      Depending on what they want to achieve.

      “All the world’s a stage….”

      Divide et impera.

      Etc.

  • Republicofscotland

    Poroshenko pandering to the far right violent sects in Ukraine.

    “It sounds like the stuff of Kremlin propaganda, but it’s not.”

    ” Last week Hromadske Radio revealed that Ukraine’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is funding the neo-Nazi group C14 to promote “national patriotic education projects” in the country. On June 8, the Ministry announced that it will award C14 a little less than $17,000 for a children’s camp. It also awarded funds to Holosiyiv Hideout and Educational Assembly, both of which have links to the far-right.”

    ” The revelation represents a dangerous example of law enforcement tacitly accepting or even encouraging the increasing lawlessness of far-right groups willing to use violence against those they don’t like. ”

    “Since the beginning of 2018, C14 and other far-right groups such as the Azov-affiliated National Militia, Right Sector, Karpatska Sich, and others have attacked Roma groups several times, as well as anti-fascist demonstrations, city council meetings, an event hosted by Amnesty International, art exhibitions, LGBT events, and environmental activists.”

    “On March 8, violent groups launched attacks against International Women’s Day marchers in cities across Ukraine.”

    ” In only a few of these cases did police do anything to prevent the attacks, and in some they even arrested peaceful demonstrators rather than the actual perpetrators.”

    http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/ukraine-s-got-a-real-problem-with-far-right-violence-and-no-rt-didn-t-write-this-headline

  • Sharp Ears

    Boycott Hewlett Packard.

    Why?
    HP provides and operates much of the technology infrastructure that Israel uses to maintain its system of apartheid and settler colonialism over the Palestinian people. Hewlett Packard Enterprise is the prime contractor of the Basel system, an automated biometric access control system employed within Israel’s checkpoints and apartheid wall. The ID cards distributed as part of this system form the basis of Israel’s systematic discrimination against Palestinians. HP technology helps the Israeli navy enforce the siege on Gaza. In November 2015, HP split into two firms: HP Inc. for consumer hardware (PCs and printers), and Hewlett Packard Enterprise for business and government services. Because the companies share facilitates, branding and supply chains, and collaborate in a wide range of ways, both remain deeply complicit with Israeli apartheid. HP has been described as the “Polaroid of our times”, a reference to huge mobilisations against the use of Polaroid technology used for the South African apartheid regime’s passbook system. Polaroid’s 1977 withdrawal from South Africa marked a turning point in the international effort to end apartheid.

    https://bdsmovement.net/boycott-hp

    “Gaza. Gaza. Don’t you cry. We will never let you die”. (Those words are in vain in the light of the recent slaughter)

    https://www.ochaopt.org/

    • John Goss

      My computer is Hewlett Packard. I am opposed to Israel’s apartheid regime. I am sure all technology today has inbuilt facilities to do almost anything. I can only hope for the collapse of the dollar and high-technology being placed in the hands of those who invented it rather than those who paid for specific technological spyware.

      • Paul Barbara

        @ John Goss June 22, 2018 at 11:44
        So is mine, but if I ever get another one it won’t be.

      • Herbie

        The problems aren’t HP specific. They’re rather more Intel specific.

        Hardware backdoors on the chips themselves.

        Control of networks etc.

    • Alex Westlake

      If you’re computer uses an Intel processor it uses technology which was developed in Israel. This blog appears to be built in WordPress, a CMS which uses php, which is largely made in Israel.

      Posted on my HP laptop.

      • bj

        The processor part is correct. What with all the recent severe Meltdown and Spectre class vulnerabilities, that should be all the more cause for thought, these days.

        The PHP part is really far fetched. The Zend engine in PHP was developed by two Israeli’s, but it’s open source, on Github, for all intents and purposes.

      • Sharp Ears

        @ 12.10

        We have heard all of that many times before from your pals on here.

        Israel tech using the American people’s tax dollars presumably for their inventiveness. Have to agree the Israelis are bright. Such a shame they are so cruel to those whose land they took and occupied.

      • Herbie

        Didn’t see this before I posted above.

        But yes, this is the problem.

        That and the cyber security rollouts across the Western world.

      • joeblogs

        Alex:
        Nonsense.
        Project Paperclip, in which German scientists were transported to USA post-1946, were used to develop the US lead in rocketry, electronics, and microprocessors – the latter achievement led to the Silicon Valley we all know of today.

    • Nevermind, Duke of Doggerland

      That would mean boycotting Norfolk CC, sharp ears, they contract their IT and proprietorial software from HP…:) and it is frequently out of order.

  • quasi_verbatim

    You can achieve nothing without independence and nothing before it so I suggest a Unilateral Declaration in some hallowed Scottish spot by good men and true, if such can be found (do not invite Quisling).

    This declaration will be greeted by worldwide acclaim as, unlike Ian Smith’s Rhodesia, you do not seek to suppress the blacks. A concomitant application to join the European Union will be fast-trackef, whatever the rulebook says.

    Allow a decade for the full resolution of the constitutional, political, economic and diplomatic implications of Statehood. For immediate support a timely resurrection of the Auld Alliance should be considered. Religion is no longer a problem, Macron is gung-ho and elements of the new European Defence Force might be needed to secure the border.

    I suggest B-day, end- March 2019, while the English are distracted as they descend into chaos.

    • Charles Bostock

      “A concomitant application to join the European Union will be fast-trackef, whatever the rulebook says.”

      I wouldn’t be too sure about that.

      And course Scotland, as a future member of the customs union and single market, would have to satisfy the EU that it would be able to police its land border satisfactorily.

  • Republicofscotland

    Meanwhile as the incompetent British government staggers from one fiasco to another over Brexit, there’s a real possibility that a no deal scenario could be looming.

    Airbus, are becoming jittery, and are contemplating the consequences of a no deal.

    “Airbus employs 14,000 people at sites including Bristol, Portsmouth and North Wales, and a further 110,000 jobs could be affected through the supply chain.”

    Of course the hard Brexiteers in the Tory party, won’t care much about other peoples job losses, getting in the way of a hard no deal Brexit.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-airbus-no-deal-leave-eu-talks-job-cuts-engineering-europe-planes-a8410961.html

    • Jo Dominich

      RoS. You are so right about the Tory party not caring much about other peoples job losses – the only thing Treason May is interested in is staying in power – that’s why the Tory rebels on Brexit will not vote against it – just to stay in power. This Govt are still deluded (as Barnier correctly said) that they will miraculously, at one minute past minute on Brexit day – will be able to conjure up all these Trade Agreements. May is more interested in the Party than the people of Great Britain. Typical Tories. Airbus will go and will be followed by some of the car industry and others. All for the sake of keeping the rabid extreme Brexiteers in her own Party happy.

  • Nevermind, Duke of Doggerland

    That special relationship is slowly becoming a myth and soon Terrorezza will join in with Trump once she has divided ireland by going backwards and scraping the Good Friday Agreement, just like Donald has done with the UN Human rights act and the US association.

    Should a country outside the Human rights agreements be allowed to sit on the Security council spouting rabid comments?

    Some in Europe seem to wake up to Donald Quacks loony tweets.

    “No, this U.S. president was never a partner. He is a hostile opponent. We should finally start to treat him as such and act accordingly. Summoning the U.S. ambassador for a formal protest would be a good first step. Furthermore, relations to this U.S. government should be reduced to a bare minimum. It is also no longer necessary to pretend to be on friendly terms. Germany and the European Union should abandon polite self-restraint when dealing publicly with Trump and his government. We can’t completely cut off the channels of communication, but they should be used sparingly.

    We have long known that we could no longer rely on the United States under Donald Trump. Now, though, it has become clear that we have to protect ourselves from him.”

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/donald-trump-s-attacks-on-germany-the-enemy-in-the-white-house-a-1214058.html

    • Vivian O'Blivion

      Trump throws two Starburst sweeties at Chancellor Merkel and says “don’t say I never give you anything”.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VKjlPty36a8

      I’m frankly astonished that to date, someone hasn’t taken a bullet to terminate the “Comander of Cheese” (© K. Conway).

  • Republicofscotland

    Is there no one in Trumps administration that has a ounce of political naunce? The FLOTUS, heads to Texas to visit a immigrant detention camp, wearing a long green coat with the words, “I really don’t care do you?” Written on the back.

    The Whitehouse hurriedly releases a statement out regarding the faux pas, saying it’s to do with fake news.

    Surely a certain decorum is required from the FLOTUS. It’s a kin to Philip May accompanying his PM wife wearing a jacket with a rather tasteless slogan on the back of it.

    • glenn_nl

      It’s quite deliberate, and in any case – Melanoma Trump used to be a model, she’s acutely aware of everything that she’s wearing. The idea she just slung on a $39 jacket without giving it a thought (and nobody else mentioned the questionable taste) is ludicrous.

      It’s deliberately saying this message to the fascists, general racists and Trump supporters (I repeat myself) that “we’re with you – we hate foreigners too!” – this entire exercise has all been about gaining political support, besides the steady programme of increasing fascism.

        • Vivian O'Blivion

          An entirely plausible thought. If you are trying to conduct your business as normal and there is a lunatic sat in the corner smeared from head to foot in their own feces it would be kind of distracting.
          I am always wary of using these American political terminologies. I suspect you have to be culturally immersed for a number of years to really understand them. The subtleties of “gas lighting” eludes me. One of those things that is hard to define but you know it when you see it? See also, “dog whistle” and “pork barrel”. If Melania’s coat was supposed to be “dog whistle” then they will have to redefine dog whistle to include megaphones.

          • Herbie

            “The subtleties of “gas lighting” eludes me”

            It comes from the 1944 film, “Gaslight”

            https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036855/

            A progressive undermining of another person’s sense of what is real and what is not.

            The Arts themselves, for example, inhabit this phenomenon.

            “dog whistle”

            “political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different, or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

            These will have been previously media coded cultural references, semiotics. Lain down for future harvest.

            “pork barrel”

            That’s just looking after your own constituency, in terms of Fed funds and location of prisons, weapons manufacturers etc.

            A form of Clientalism, I suppose.

            “If Melania’s coat was supposed to be “dog whistle” then they will have to redefine dog whistle to include megaphones.”

            That’s right. It ain’t proper dog-whistling if it uses megaphones.

            And arguably, it ain’t no sort of dog-whistling if outsiders notice it.

            You’re right.

            Complete cobblers.

      • Vivian O'Blivion

        “Melanoma”, yeh Glen, I’m always making that Freudian slip. I guess it’s her proximity to a cancerous growth.

      • Macky

        Inside info or just malicious gossip;

        “From an insider: “The protest jacket that Melania wore (I don’t really care, do you) was a message to her husband who had criticized Melania for taking a position about the separation of migrant children that undermined the position of the president. She threatened to leave him.”

        Tweeted by KimDotCom

  • Sharp Ears

    The last act of the Salisbury theatrical is being played out. The all clear has sounded. P Charles and the Croc Wife have visited today.

    But where is Mr Skripal?

    PS We never heard any more from Tatyana.

    • John Goss

      “But where is Mr Skripal?”

      He’s in Porton Down prison caged with the other guinea-pigs, if they haven’t done him in.

  • Paul Barbara

    As though seperating children from parents and penning them up wasn’t bad enough, it seems the private facilities are forcibly drugging many of them:
    ‘Immigrant children forcibly injected with drugs, lawsuit claims’:
    https://www.revealnews.org/blog/immigrant-children-forcibly-injected-with-drugs-lawsuit-claims/
    ‘…Children held at Shiloh Treatment Center, a government contractor south of Houston that houses immigrant minors, have described being held down and injected, according to the federal court filings. The lawsuit alleges that children were told they would not be released or see their parents unless they took medication and that they only were receiving vitamins.

    Parents and the children themselves told attorneys the drugs rendered them unable to walk, afraid of people and wanting to sleep constantly, according to affidavits filed April 23 in U.S. District Court in California.

    One mother said her child fell repeatedly, hitting her head, and ended up in a wheelchair. A child described trying to open a window and being hurled against a door by a Shiloh supervisor, who then choked her until she fainted.

    “The supervisor told me I was going to get a medication injection to calm me down,” the girl said. “Two staff grabbed me, and the doctor gave me the injection despite my objection and left me there on the bed.”………’

    But refugee children are not the only ones being snatched – US citizens can have their children taken into care for the flimsiest of reasons, as indeed can British citizens right here in blighty. It is often a measure of punishing parents for not toeing some line, and also for increasing the supply of vulnerable children for the paedo rings.

    • Paul Barbara

      And more of same:
      ‘US court documents reveal Immigrant children tied down, hooded, beaten, stripped and drugged’:
      https://countercurrents.org/2018/06/22/us-court-documents-reveal-immigrant-children-tied-down-hooded-beaten-stripped-and-drugged/

      ‘..The lawsuit filed by the nonprofit Washington Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs declares that young Latino immigrants held at Shenandoah “are subjected to unconstitutional conditions that shock the conscience, including violence by staff, abusive and excessive use of seclusion and restraints, and the denial of necessary mental health care.” As a result of “malicious and sadistic applications of force,” the youth have “sustained significant injuries, both physical and psychological.”

      A Honduran youth sent to Shenandoah when he was 15 said in his statement, “Whenever they used to restrain me and put me in the chair, they would handcuff me… [They] strapped me down all the way, from your feet all the way to your chest, you couldn’t really move… They have total control over you. They also put a bag over your head. It has little holes; you can see through it. But you feel suffocated with the bag on.”

      A 15-year-old from Mexico who spent nine months at Shenandoah described similar treatment.

      “They handcuffed me and put a white bag of some kind over my head,” he said, according to his sworn statement. “They took off all of my clothes and put me into a restraint chair, where they attached my hands and feet to the chair. They also put a strap across my chest. They left me naked and attached to that chair for two and a half days, including at night.”…..’

      And of course, the US invasions and supported military coups set the stage for the horrendous state of the countries these kids are fleeing from. The US create the problem, magnify it through the MSM, then create the ‘solution’, incarcerating and brutalising the victims.

    • Sharp Ears

      Apparently there is no system in place to restore the right children with their parents. No database. No records. The adults were given receipts for their wallets and papers but nothing about the children.

  • Sharp Ears

    Kay Burley who was so unpleasant to Craig has been sucking up to the US Ambassador in his new Embassy in Nine Elms leading up to Trump’s visit in a month’s time. G.d help us all.

    Kay meets… US ambassador to the UK
    http://news.sky.com/video/share-11413220

    He is ‘Woody’ Johnson, a scion of the Johnson & Johnson family, and enormously wealthy. He is 71 and acquired a new younger wife in 2009. He also said a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. That fits.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Johnson

    • Charles Bostock

      “He is ‘Woody’ Johnson……He is 71 and acquired a new younger wife in 2009.”

      Good for him. Didn’t Craig do the same (good for him too)?

  • N_

    @Craig – I don’t know whether you saw the comment in which I told of how several of my football-following Scottish friends are supporting England in the World Cup and not only that, but they are encouraging me to join them in doing so, even though I have no interest in sport. I was touched.

    Those Scots who support “whoever’s playing against England” need to be called out. They shouldn’t be tolerated as “comrades who make mistakes”. Fine of course if they choose to support Brazil or whoever the hell they want (better still if they chuck their TV sets in the bin), but that’s different.

    Agreed about Michael Foot. Damned shame Labour didn’t win the 1983 election. Worth mentioning that he was the MP for the Welsh constituency of Ebbw Vale, which he took over from Aneurin Bevan. I loved it that when the Blairite centre tried to impose their own candidate in that constituency much later, the Labour branch told them “We chose Nye Bevan and Michael Foot, and we think we can be trusted to choose our representative this time too, so you can fuck right off” – and then they ran their own guy as an Independent who crushed the Blairite official Labour candidate by 9000 votes. Of course “Ebbw Vale” and “Nye Bevan” and “socialism” meant little or nothing to the public relations types they were arguing with…

    • Sharp Ears

      Sickening. No elegance. Any lower, she would have been on her knees.

      She was at the Windrush service this morning. Her hypocrisy knows no bounds. As the Home Secretary for all of those years, she could and should have done something to right the wrongs on the Windrush Generation’s lack of British Citizenship. She was wearing white!
      .

  • Vivian O'Blivion

    Trump tweets about “phoney stories of sadness and grief” coming from the border detention camps.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393625-trump-dems-telling-phony-stories-of-sadness-and-grief

    Offspring of a multimillionaire, privately educated, gifted a fortune by daddy, waited on hand and foot by a small army of flunkies, dodged the draft on a fraudulent medical certificate, outright racist, but don’t tell him about your suffering, know HIS pain.

  • N_

    Of possible interest in the Skripal case: there is a “neurological rehabilitation service” in the Salisbury area run by the Steiner cult (“anthroposophy”) – the Glenside Hospital for Neuro Rehabilitation, Warminster Road, South Newton, Salisbury. This is part of the Glenside Care Group that was bought by the cult’s Raphael Hospital. One of its interests is in patients emerging from comas.

    The “Neurobehavioural Unit” at Glenside is authorised to admit patients detained under the Mental Health Act.

    Someone should make a list of consultant medics who belong to this cult.

    The cult also controls what used to be known as Winterbourne View hospital near Bristol. I have yet to find out whether it controlled its former owner, the company called Castlebeck which owned it at the time news leaked out about how patients there were being abused and tortured.

    • Sharp Ears

      Good find N_. Glenside is part of the extensive and varied portfolio of the Bowmark Group.
      https://www.bowmark.com/portfolio/1024993/glenside-care

      DIRECTORS –
      MR PRADEEP LASITHA DISSANAYAKE
      MRS ELIZABETH ANNE FLORSCHUTZ
      DR GERHARD ULRICH FLORSCHUTZ
      https://companycheck.co.uk/company/07505006/GLENSIDE-CARE-GROUP-LIMITED/companies-house-data

      https://www.bowmark.com/type/portfolio

      Amultiple large company structure for Bowmark so hard to interrogate.

      https://companycheck.co.uk/search?term=bowmark+capital

      https://www.bowmark.com/team
      ‘Charles ind is a managing partner of Bowmark and co-chairman of the Investment Committee. He established Bowmark in 1997 and has jointly led the business with Kevin Grassby since 2000. Prior to Bowmark, he worked in investment banking with Morgan Stanley in London and New York, and in strategic management consultancy with the Boston Consulting Group. He has a first class degree from Oxford University and an MBA with Distinction from Harvard Business School.’

      ‘Kevin Grassby is a managing partner of Bowmark and co-chairman of the Investment Committee. He has jointly led the business with Charles Ind since 2000 and has over 25 years’ experience as a private equity investor. Prior to Bowmark, he was a founding partner of Nash, Sells & Partners, the mid-market private equity firm, and previously worked in strategic management consultancy with Booz Allen & Hamilton. He has a degree in chemistry from Oxford University and an MBA from Harvard Business School.’

      A pair of smart alecs.

      Another of these private equity set ups which have proliferated in recent years, acquiring companies and assets as knockdown prices and flogging them on when the time is right. Their spiel always reads as if they are benefactors. Actually, they are vultures.

  • Anon1

    Everyone put money on Russia to win The World Cup! Putin’s rigged it!!! Blatter is his guest and the Russians will secure corruption to become no. 1!!! Screencap this.

    • Paul Barbara

      @ Anon1June 22, 2018 at 16:31
      I suppose a possible reason you haven’t commented on Sharp Ears June 22, 2018 at 09:21 comment:
      ‘This is unbearable and almost unreadable. Such hate in their hearts.

      Ali is on the grill!’ Israeli settlers celebrate burning of Palestinian baby
      June 21, 2018
      http://mondoweiss.net/2018/06/settlers-celebrate-palestinian/
      is perhaps that you hadn’t noticed it; so I’ve reproduced it. A few others, like Charles Bostock, also appear to have missed it.

        • Paul Barbara

          @ Walt King June 22, 2018 at 20:24
          The inverted comma is correct, but there should be an inverted comma before ‘Ali’.
          However, there is no way to correct comments once put up.

    • Anthony

      Strange in that case how the only penalty awarded in a Russia game was against them .. for a foul that started outside the box. But if Putin’s rigged it why not lump on large on Russia? Then you could post a picture of your betting slip on here to show everyone how convinced you are of what’s going to happen.

      I’ll look out for it.

  • N_

    Melania Trump wears a jacket printed with the words “I really don’t care. Do you?” (I’ve applied standard English punctuation and spelling) when visiting some of the child victims of the US government’s immigration policy who have been locked up in cages after being separated from their parents, in flagrant violation of international humanitarian law.

    Doubtless Trump fans on Twitter and in other areas of idiot world will be calling her critics “librul morans” and typing things like “its justa coat lol” as they reach for their references to Hillary Clinton and George Soros.

    The more sussed will realise that the deliberate use of mutually contradictory messages continues apace. Cf. how Google and Yahoo routinely try to entice viewers to watch videos of e.g. babies falling out of windows and other horrendous things happening to people. By no means entertainment, by no means meant to desensitise and dehumanise, to encourage cruelty and fascism; on the contrary, wholly “educational”, right?

  • Tony_0pmoc

    This website today, is getting rather heavy to read. Nearly all of you are chucking virtual mud (or is it sh1t ? ) at each other. It is nearly as bad as it was about 5 years ago, when I voluntarily, not only banned myself, by blocking it on my own computer, in an obscure way, and also instructed the moderator, how to ban me from his side.

    If we dig, we can all find horrible things, about any society, any group of people, any religion, any political philosophy, any technology, any country or any belief.

    I admit, I may at times have been as boring as sh1t, and may also on occasion, at least attempted to take the p1ss, but in a humorous way, or that was the intention.

    Anyhow, my wife and I are going camping again, and there was one little tent, we were trying to find. I texted my son, and asked if he knew where it was? He gave me the wrong answer, but we eventually found it. I asked is there a reason, why your computer and screen are still on? He said, well yes, my girlfriend (wife) probably forgot to turn it off.

    “I will turn it off in a few minutes.”

    His wife and kids are coming round soon.

    Our son is currently on a boat, several thousand miles away, yet he can still turn the computer off and on in his bedroom, and no doubt also his servers in various data centres in various parts of the world.

    Now, that is Technology, and he can obviously sell it too, make a profit, and pay his taxes.

    Otherwise he would be on the dole, like I suspect most of you.

    “Mungo Jerry – In The Summertime”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvUQcnfwUUM

    Tony

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