Detente Bad, Cold War Good 1634

The entire “liberal” media and political establishment of the Western world reveals its militarist, authoritarian soul today with the screaming and hysterical attacks on the very prospect of detente with Russia. Peace apparently is a terrible thing; a renewed arms race, with quite literally trillions of dollars pumped into the military industrial complex and hundreds of thousands dying in proxy wars, is apparently the “liberal” stance.

Political memories are short, but just 15 years after Iraq was destroyed and the chain reaction sent most of the Arab world back to the dark ages, it is now “treason” to question the word of the Western intelligence agencies, which deliberately and knowingly produced a fabric of lies on Iraqi WMD to justify that destruction.

It would be more rational for it to be treason for leaders to blindly accept the word of the intelligence services.

This is especially true on “Russia hacking the election” when, after three years of crazed accusations and millions of man hours by lawyers and CIA and FBI investigators, they are yet to produce any substantive evidence of accusations which are plainly nuts in the first place. This ridiculous circus has found a few facebook ads and indicted one Russian for every 100,000 man hours worked, for unspecified or minor actions which had no possible bearing on the election result.

There are in fact genuine acts of election rigging to investigate. In particular, the multiple actions of the DNC and Democratic Party establishment to rig the Primary against Bernie Sanders do have some very real documentary evidence to substantiate them, and that evidence is even public. Yet those real acts of election rigging are ignored and instead the huge investigation is focused on catching those who revealed Hillary’s election rigging. This gets even more absurd – the investigation then quite deliberately does not focus on catching whoever leaked Hillary’s election rigging, but instead seeks to prove that the Russians hacked Hillary’s election-rigging, which I can assure you they did not. Meanwhile, those of us who might help them with the truth if they were actually interested, are not questioned at all.

The Russophobic witch hunt has its first real life victim in 29 year old Maria Butina, whose life is to be destroyed for chatting up members of the NRA in order to increase Russian influence. With over 20 years of diplomatic experience, I can tell you that every country, including the UK and US, has bit part players of its own nationals who self-start in a country to make their way, and if they gain any traction are tapped by their national security service as potential “agents of influence”. I could name quite literally scores of such people, but have no desire to get anyone in trouble. The elevation of Butina into a huge threat and part of a gigantic plot, is to ignore the way the United States and the United Kingdom and indeed all major governments’ Embassies behave around the globe.

The war-hawks who were devastated by the loss of champion killer Hillary now see the prospect of their very worst fear coming true. Their very worst fear is the outbreak of peace and international treaties of arms control. Hence the media and political establishment today has reached peaks of hysteria never before seen. Pursuing peace is “treason” and the faux left now stand starkly exposed.

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  • Sharp Ears

    Great sympathy for the Greek people. They have withstood so many tragedies in recent times. Today horrific fires swept through forests surrounding Athens and have taken dozens of lives. Unimaginable. The world is burning up and we carry on regardless as if climate change is not happening.

    • N_

      Any suspicion of arson as there was with the fires in the Manchester area?

      When Britain “does a Greece”, people will be less resilient I think. There is a difference between countries where there have been famines in living memory (Russia, Ukraine, Greece, Netherlands) and ones such as (to take an extreme example) Britain, where there hasn’t been famine for a while and hardly anybody would agree with the statement that “the authorities are corrupt”.

      I did a (small) transaction in a post office today, and the woman demanded my ID and then copied the details into her computer terminal. This was after she had ordered me to fill in a form at a table on the other side of the room even though I was the only customer and she was one of two counter clerks. I commented on her recording the details, which is obviously a different operation from checking a person’s ID. She said she needed to type in the details because you couldn’t be too careful these days regarding “scams” and “money laundering”. I couldn’t resist observing to her that without money laundering the banks and the City of London would collapse. You should have seen the white-lipped look of hatred towards me that appeared on her face. Mustn’t criticise “sir, not in Britain! And d’y know what, the Tory poshboy elite aren’t grateful to people like her for her stupidity and loyalty. They aren’t grateful one bit.

      I didn’t bother mentioning to her that the glass pane through which we were communicating had lots of stickers on it trying to scam people into buy lottery tickets, plus a big notice claiming that the Post Office charges “0% commission” on currency trades, which is a total f*cking lie, since they charge a HUGE commission which takes the form of a spread.

  • N_

    Have Russian intelligence really warned their British liaison that they hold a scan of Yulia Skripal’s bag taken at Moscow’s Sheremetevo airport, which shows it contained a perfume bottle?

    Which “oligarch” controls Sheremetevo at the moment? And how did he get on with Nikolai Glushkov?

    The words attributed to Charlie Rowley seem fake to me. E.g. “I went into the bathroom and found her in the bath, fully clothed, in a very ill state (…). It was just so unfortunate. I’m very angry at the whole incident“.

    That’s police talk, that is: “in a very ill state”, “the whole incident”. He may have signed a statement but I don’t reckon those are his own words. If he’s well enough to go shopping and give a statement, how come he’s not well enough to give a filmed interview? He’s a free man, not wanted for any crime, and the only people who say he was “targeted” are retards who don’t know what “targeted” means.

    Can one journalist, in the whole of Britain, perhaps notice that if we are to believe what is becoming the official story then Britain’s chemical warfare defences, which were paraded so well for the cameras, seem to have fucked up, unable to sweep a park after a foreign power attacked? So don’t expect the army to be that skilled at distributing tinned food and typhoid vaccine come Brexit.

      • Hatuey

        N_, I’m afraid your credibility is shot to pieces with this. You weren’t simply mistaken, you were as chronically wrong as it’s possible to be.

        Basically, your conspiracy theory looks rather silly now, doesn’t it? Can I assume you are intelligent enough to learn from this experience and consider that if you were so very wrong here you might be wrong in your other areas too with this sort of conjecture?

        My views on this novichok crap are well known — it’s a huge waste of time and effort and it will lead to nothing.

        You have demonstrated perfectly that by speculating, theorising, and discussing this subject, people run the risk of looking very stupid.


        • MightyDrunken

          Hatuey, N_ pointed out his own mistake. Shirley showing his ability to correct himself and his desire to find the truth. Why make such a pointless and mean post? Do you leer over people who have accidents and proclaim how stupid they look?

          You know what scientist do? They “speculate, theorise, and discuses the subject”, making (usually) testable predictions. They look for the answers and then often say, “I was mistaken here”. Then they try again.

          • Hatuey

            I’ve been reading this novochok junk for months on here, with it seems every crackpot under the sun delving into the most ridiculously stupid conspiracy theories.

            I meant it sincerely when I said I hoped he could learn from it. I hope others can too. A lot of people that I thought were pretty smart on here have allowed themselves to look very stupid over this subject.

            That they look stupid in itself doesn’t bother me in the slightest. What annoyed me was the way they hogged an otherwise useful forum with this fanciful self-Indulgent tripe; at a time when many vastly more important things were going on too.

            And let’s be absolutely clear on something that really shouldn’t need to be even spelled out amongst serious minds: you never, ever get to the bottom of anything that involves British security services. It’s an area that the government freely admits it won’t even discuss.

            Throw in possible Russia security involvement and it was clear from the very beginning in this case that you wouldn’t be able to reliably say that you know one single thing — that remains the case. The only thing we know for sure is that we know eff all.

      • MightyDrunken

        Good on Charlie, he has superior fortitude, going on TV so soon after a deadly attack of novichok nerve agent. The Skripals haven’t recovered yet?

  • Tony_0pmoc

    The current UK propaganda is completely repulsive, and so are the people who are making it, and so are the people they are writing about and illustrating cartoons about. Yes – you are all horrible.

    We voted to EXIT The EU, and that is What you Reprobates will Deliver, or We will have you all up in Court for War Crimes Against The British Public …

    As a Start…

    Do you want me to go on?

    Just do, what the majority of the UK Population Democratically told you to do.

    Or we might get rather annoyed with you…and you wouldn’t like that.

    All you politicians want us to like you. You want to be popular. You want us to vote for you.

    You are not doing very well.


    • Ian

      You did vote to leave the EU, by a small margin, which may have due to voter manipulation, fraud or just lies. However nobody voted on what the future relationship with the EU should be. So nobody can claim that their preferred version of brexit was endorsed by the people, least of all the hardcore Atlanticists like Fox and Johnson, who see this as a golden opportunity to align with the US, submit to their regulations and standards, and reconfigure Britain as a low wage, deregulated, asset stripped economy, with very little leverage in the world, begging China and India to allow us a trade deal which they will exploit to the hilt. Funny how you complain about EU regulation but don’t care a jot about succumbing to regulation over which we will have absolutely no say whatsoever, and not subject to any democratic scrutiny – Fox can set up and sign deals with no parliamentary scrutiny or debate. The whole exercise is a diminution of what little democracy we had, and the final destruction of the post war settlement – universal health care, education, social housing and welfare. No wonder the right are so excited, and have virtually ensured a no deal brexit.

      • Hatuey

        Both of you are correct. On one hand, Brexit must go ahead otherwise democracy is destroyed. On the other hand, Brexit is probably going to be a disaster, especially for the poor, at least in the short to medium term.

        But, Ian, here’s the big problem you have with this argument, as I see it. Life for many was obviously dire anyway and that was probably a huge motivational factor in the vote.

        At a guess I’d say something like 30 to 40 % of England’s population, especially in the north but elsewhere too, were virtually excluded from society through poverty. They’re the people that were forced to heat or eat, at the sharp end of benefits sanctions and constantly rising fuel and food bills.

        FFS food banks in Britain in the 21st century are an integral part of the welfare state. Think about that. The middle classes and the rest have sat back and watched this crap unfold without batting an eyelid.

        Whatever happens with Brexit, I hope and am confident that it will ultimately lead to improvement for those at the bottom, people who are every bit as human and every bit as entitled to have hopes and dreams as you and I have.

        As for the cocky aristocrats who think they are at the helm in all this, well, if I was in their shoes, I wouldn’t be too confident about plans that involved making life any worse for those below. With the EU out of the equation, it’s going to be very easy to see exactly who is shafting who in post-Brexit Britain. Dealing with those fuckers will be a lot easier than anyone currently thinks.

        • Ian

          You are living in cloud cuckoo land, then. There is zero evidence for your wishful thinking, while there is plenty of evidence that the poor will get even poorer. Your last sentence is particularly delusional.

          • Hatuey

            You don’t have and, of course, can’t possibly have any evidence that Brexit will make things worse for the poor. Logically it’s impossible to have evidence of something that has not happened yet. Just as I don’t have evidence that life will improve for the poor after Brexit.

            But my argument hinges on the belief that things for many couldn’t get much worse. The Brexit vote itself is evidence, alongside reams of social data on benefits, food banks, employment levels, working conditions, health, crime, earnings gaps, falling living standards, and more.

            Your belief that things will get worse for the poor is based on what, an ideological opinion on the EU? Please answer.

          • Ian

            Based on nearly every economic impact assessment that has been made, and there have been a lot. All bar one find plenty of evidence for job losses, lower standards of living, lower wages etc. The notion that the poor can’t get poorer is wrong – of course they can. And people previously not poor, or close to the margins, can fall into poverty. Just because people have a hard time now doesn’t mean things can’t get worse, or that it doesn’t matter what relationship we have with the EU. Most of their problems can be deposited at the door of this utterly inept shambles of a government for the last 8 years, not the EU, which has mitigated many of the worst of it, and has created many jobs.

          • Hatuey

            Ian, I’m not far away from agreeing with most of that. The thing is, we heard similar forecasts about Trump and the impact his policies would have. Last time I looked, the US economy had grown by around 7 trillion usd since he entered the whitehouse.

            I’ve read a million economic forecasts over the years that proved worthless, many them produced by the EU/EEC itself. You simply can’t call a forecast or a projection evidence, btw.

            Even during the Brexit campaign we heard forecasts about the impact a “no”vote would have immediately and most of them proved wrong. The same agencies that propagated those wrongs are now saying the same stuff about a “no deal”.

            I happen to agree, though, that for a time at least, living standards will fall for most. I hope it hits the middle classes hardest. And I expect that after a time there will be an opportunity to do things differently.

            I’m not saying Brexit is going to be good in any objective sense. But it might be less aggravating than what we called the status quo. And it’s about time certain tiers of society suffered and paid a price for their selfishness.

            I don’t rule out apocalyptic consequences but maybe that’s what it will take to bring about meaningful change.

          • Ian

            This sums it up quite well:


            There is plenty of evidence which is substantial, across all the major sectors of the economy, and I don’t think can be dismissed as ‘economists are always wrong’ – which btw they aren’t. There is some basic stuff like supply chains, new tariffs and other barriers – the lack of which has rebuilt areas like the car industry, and which will have no good reason to stay here post brexit – unless May does the impossible and stays in the CU. Fox’s murky deals, like the new TPP, which will bypass any scrutiny by parliament – another factor in the hard right’s calculation of brexit, is frightening, and will make the EU seem like the most benign, democratic organisation, in which we held some sway. There is just no debate about what the hard right are planning, and they studiously say nothing about it – which is one of the many areas where Corbyn’s Labour are negligent.

          • Calgacus

            Economists aren’t always wrong, but “economists” who use garbage economics refuted decades to centuries ago are almost always wrong. And that is most “economists”, who mostly produce their “economics” because following their policy recommendations makes the rich richer. And that is the sort of economics that produces doomsaying Brexit forecasts.

            If you want genuine economics that is interested in actual economics, look at “heterodox” economics – the sort that ran the world when it was much better run, during the postwar era, during WWII and the New Deal in the USA. The economics of Keynes and Marxists like Kalecki. Above all, its best developed and clearest strain – MMT. MMT economists do not cry DOOM, and like Bill Mitchell, tend to support it. Brexit cannot cause unemployment. Only the UK government, by not spending enough to employ the unemployed can cause unemployment. And as Keynes said – to Shaw – only people who have “fuddled their minds with nonsense for years and years” – the nonsense of the above garbage economics – can believe that there is any problem any negative effect with simply employing the unemployed. And there are enormous positive ones, far bigger than any conceivable negatives of Brexit.

            Whatever Brexit is, it is something. It is not paralyzed, “smothering negativism”. Once people see they can do Brexit, they might see and probably are seeing that they can just decide to set unemployment to zero by spending enough, which will instantly make Britain and its trading partners much richer, particularly the poor of Britain.

        • Enquirer

          Foodbanks are not part of the welfare state. They are a symptom of the failure of the welfare state, run mostly by volunteers, providing emergency food in a crisis. The new head of the Trussell Trust charity says “What I love about the Trussell Trust approach is that there is not an acceptance that we are a safety net that will always be there,” says (Emma) Revie, who joined the trust this year after a career in youth and overseas aid charities. “We have to be there because the statutory safety net has too many holes in it. We will catch as many as we can, but we want to not be here.” Trussell, she says, will never become “a pseudo-safety net that lets the state off the hook”.

        • Ian

          Ah, it’s so simple. If the major car manufacturers quite Britain and relocate in the EU, and if Fox signs us up to US deals which will allow their industry to undercut and put out of business much of the UK agribusinesses, then all we have to do is spend some more money. What on? More US and Chinese produce? Great idea.

  • Paul Barbara

    How evil can those Russkis be; the nerve of them, demining Syria.
    There should be a law against it, or at least, more sanctions.
    By the by, the US never did get round to demining Vietnam, or Cambodia or Laos – and people are still getting killed and maimed on a regular basis.
    But the US is ‘Exceptional’ – unaccountable, and ‘beyond reproach’, in a pigs eye. Bit like a certain ME country, and come to that, our own ‘good’ selves, the UK.
    Everybody is born equal, and is entitled to be protected by their governments, except for those poor b*ggers who happen to own some real estate or minerals that the ‘Exceptionals’ covet.
    Or who happen to become a thorn in their side, exposing their evil crimes (like Julian Assange, and others).
    But those Russkis! Obviously they have demined parts of Syria as part of a vicious evil PR attack on the West.
    Who, in their right minds, would accept that the Russkis did what they did for the benefit of the Syrian people?
    Clearly, if you believe that, you’re a Putin bot (or maybe even a ‘Novichocker’).

    • SA

      This obvious propaganda by the Russians who according to some western politicians, are incapable of doing any good. Moreover it was to portray the White Helmets, err sorry The moderate rebels (AKA as alqaida) in bad light.

    • Kempe

      How many of those devices were unexploded barrel bombs or unspent cluster munitions that they dropped themselves?

      • Ray Raven

        You mean there was a hospital or a school left unmolested by a barrel bombs that failed to explode ?
        The eveel Syrian regime and their Rooskie supporters.

        What, no chlorine or Sarin or VX – but what about Novoshite ? Hmm, hmm ?

      • wonky

        Can people please stop singing that ole “barrel bomb” chorus over and over, pleease?
        That song was sh*te to begin with, when it first came out years ago.
        Give me one, just ONE credible source for exploded barrel bombs on a hospital. That, or switch the bloody tune already.
        And no, the white helmet songwriters are not a credible source. (They might soon be holding their band rehearsals in your next door neighbourhood, though.)
        Oh yeah, and please explain to a simple minded fool like me, when exactly did the f***ing Al Qaida (which keeps changing its f***ing brand name more often than f***ing Blackwater) become the West’s BFF and ally? Who bloody ordered this and why? Or did it just happen, undetected by all premium journalism, no fuss necessary? Last thing I remember was, they were/are THE ultimate enemy of our “way of living”! 911, remember? We, “the West”, started War On Terror Inc. over them, from Afghanistan all the way to Bataclan, remember? So now these people are our allies in our humanitarian attempts against the even eviler uber-ultimate uber-Hitler Assad and his ever-plotting puppeteer, the horned Overlord of the Underworld, Putin Himself? Again, how did that happen, who decided this, why was I not asked?

      • SA

        There is now ample evidence that the ‘moderate’ rebels, in conjunction with their al Qaeda colleagues and fellow in arms were heavily armed with weapons originating from US, UK other Nato countries and Israel. There are also strong indications that the hysteria and panic accompanying the liberation by the SAA of Aleppo, East Ghouta and more recently Dara’a were related to the possibility that some special forces from these countries were surrounded in these areas and that all the hysterical accusation of CW attacks always preceded the final surrender of these places. It is quite possible that these events, not really much covered in detail by our MSM but found in local ME and some Russian media, may have been covered over by Russia as a face saving favour to these embarrassed governments. I will leave you to do a bit of research to find out for yourself.

  • Paul Barbara

    Ominous developments re Julian Assange; I was there earlier today, but now seems imminent:

    I gave the Embassy a mouthful while I was there. Lenin Moreno is a traitor to his country, his countrymen and to himself. He’s taken the 30 pieces of silver (and the rest!).

    • Hatuey

      Shouldn’t you be giving thanks to the Ecuadorean embassy and people for putting him up over such a lengthy period? It’s not like there was a queue of countries looking to help in defiance of the US etc.

      What exactly were his intentions, to stay there forever? Maybe it’s best that he comes out, faces the music, and at some point goes on to experience a relatively normal life in the world.

      • Ishmael

        We did.

        He SHOLD be given asylum. This is all a violation of his human rights.

        You mean face this violation? This obvious miscarriage & piversion of justice by the UK government.

        Nobody who cars about justice should be advocating this. Julian (for himself and others) should resist “the music” all he can.

        • Ishmael

          It’s like saying look, see that gang of thugs aside your door? Wouldn’t t better if you just went outside and faced them?

          What kind of person says this?

          Abhorrent notion. …Sickening.

          • Brianfujisan


            Being forced from one from of Torture.. to another.. Like Chelsea was.
            and make No mistake, he will be abused.Finished off..the UK, did most of the Dirty work there

            I think about Jullian often.. Like when I was Stuck in a train just before entering Glasgow central for 25 mins in almost suffocating heat.. Glad I went though, to the George Square Anti Trump demo..

            Or other times, like I have Huge wide Open Spaces Right close by..Doon the Clyde coast… Over Lomond.. A couple of Hours to the Atlantic…It’s 7/8 hours to my fave Islands the Outer hebs.

            I could Never have Surved what Jullian has been through

          • Hatuey

            I suppose we got to the heart of our difference. If I had a gang of thugs outside my door, I’d be out to face them the day they arrived.

        • Hatuey

          If Gandhi was here, he’d agree with me. Only by confronting the unjust can the just prevail. If you spin it around like that, they should be worrying about him coming out, not him.

  • N_

    According to the Guardian, “Over the coming weeks, the government will unveil around 70 other contingency measures issuing advice, some of it likely to be alarming, to households and businesses on how to prepare for crashing out.” (emphasis added)

    • N_

      I was trying to underline “some of it likely to be alarming”.

      I watched the 1980 “Protect and Survive” series of films this evening.

      • Brianfujisan

        Reply ↓
        July 23, 2018 at 10:22
        Unfortunately the “National” doesn’t say which western countries the White Helmets will be relocated to. I’d like to know. They are unlikely to live the normal life of refugees.They may keep their structure and continue to engage in what they do: propaganda in support of mass murder.

        Are they…could they be…coming to EU countries that might collapse, such as Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain? Could they possibly be coming to Britain?

        Thanks N

        and yes The Uk is, apparently one of the destination relocation countries.

        check this –

        Peter Ford responded:

        ” The government statement contains two bare-faced lies.

        The White Helmets most definitely have not assisted all sides in the conflict. From the beginning they have only ever operated in rebel-held areas. Government controlled areas have the real Syrian Civil Defence and Syrian Red Crescent. This is quite a big whopper on the government’s part. It goes without saying that the media will not pick up on it.

        Secondly the White Helmets are not volunteers. They are doing jobs for which they are paid, by Western governments. They have a press department 150 strong, bigger than that for the whole of the UK ambulance service. Their claims of saving over 115,000 lives have never been verified. The co-location of their offices with jihadi operation centres has been well documented.

        Apparently the government are lying because they are nervous of being accused of importing into this country scores of dangerous migrants who have many times been reported to be associating with extremists (social media is rife with self-propagated videos of their misdeeds such as participation in beheadings and waving ISIS and Al Qaida flags), and wish to whitewash them.

        The White Helmets’ dramatic exfiltration leaves many questions unanswered

        1. Why was it deemed necessary to evacuate this particular group in the south when other groups of White Helmets simply got on the buses to Northern Syria when military operations concluded in Aleppo, Eastern Ghouta and elsewhere, and when similar exodus by bus has been arranged for rebels in Deraa?

        2. Why should White Helmets be considered to be more at risk than combatants, many of whom have either ‘reconciled’ or been bussed out? In the demonology of the government side the White Helmets are not seen as worse than other jihadis.

        3. Might the British government have been afraid of this particular group being caught and interrogated, revealing perhaps the truth about alleged chemical weapon incidents?

        4. Will they now be foisted on to areas of the UK already struggling to absorb migrants, or will they go to places like Esher and Carshalton?

        5. Will local councils be informed about the backgrounds of these fugitives? Will local councils be given extra resources to absorb them and cope with resulting security needs, bearing in mind that Raed Saleh, leader of the White Helmets, was refused a visa to the US in 2016?”

        Top Photo | Members of the so-called Syrian Civil Defense, also known as the White Helmets, pose for a photo.

        Vanessa Beeley is a contributor to 21WIRE, and since 2011, she has spent most of her time in the Middle East reporting on events there – as a independent researcher, writer, photographer, and peace activist. She is also a member of the Steering Committee of the Syria Solidarity Movement, and a volunteer with the Global Campaign to Return to Palestine. See more of her work at her blog The Wall Will Fall.

        • Ishmael

          Adding fuel to the fire?

          Though I wonder who is more happy about this, after watching the latest Novara Media intellectual masterbation fest. The left or the right.

          I know they both say they are not happy, but are they really concerned? Do they really have solutions or are they just the same ideological snake oil salesmen?

          IMO technology has always been a nonsense, “labour saving appliances”. What a load of codswallop. All they have created is a class detached form any labour, that totally disconnects them (they may as well be a head in a jar, or a robot) others working more than ever to make this shit, (other haman robots) & others with nothing to do.

          And again they sell this crap, “this time” technology will save us. “luxury communism” ..Its just that we where not “ready for it” before.

          We didn’t have the capacity to serve everyones needs? Bullshit.

          The left sold us pup, and they haven’t changed, Still not quite their yet, you must put up with your shit for a few hundred years yet. In the mean time send us your donations so we can help you.

          Fucking leaches.

          Sry, I’m just really ready to kick some “vanguard left” ass atm. Bunch of self serving cunts….can’t they see that?

  • Sharp Ears

    Thatcher the Milk Snatcher morphs into Treeza the Squeeza.

    Theresa May just revived one of the most toxic Tory policies of all time
    July 24th, 2018

    ‘Theresa May was crowned Iron Lady II when she secured leadership of the Conservative Party without so much as a vote in 2016. Since then, we’ve witnessed a woman with all of Margaret Thatcher’s callousness but none of her skill: a Poundland Thatcher. But with her latest move to cut free milk for nursery school children, May is a worthy successor to the original ‘milk snatcher’.

    Thatcher, Thatcher, milk snatcher
    In 1971, then-education secretary Margaret Thatcher ended free milk in schools for children over seven years of age. It was a howlingly unpopular policy which haunted Thatcher for the rest of her life. In fact, 19 years later, when her own health secretary Ken Clarke proposed scrapping milk for nursery school children, Thatcher balked.’

    • Sharp Ears

      ‘Holiday hunger should be the shame of this government and it isn’t’
      Kids’ clubs are stepping in to fill the gap and stop children going hungry during the school holidays, as families struggle with austerity

      ‘With three million children at risk of hunger during the school holidays, the Trussell Trust has warned that food bank use spikes each summer. And last year, 593 organisations running holiday clubs across the UK provided more than 190,000 meals to over 22,000 school-aged children.

      Feeding Britain, the charity set up by two Labour MPs, Emma Lewell-Buck and Frank Field, expects to provide meals for 27,000 children in 79 clubs across England this summer. In pilots in 2017, it provided a total of 43,314 meals in holiday fun clubs across eight areas, including Birkenhead, South Shields and Cornwall, in the summer holidays and October half term. Feeding Britain works with existing local charities, community groups, councils and others in the community providing funding and toolkits on how to run and roll out pilots, and creates networks for practical support. The clubs run in community centres, church halls, schools, children’s centres, libraries and parks, and they host games and activities for children, alongside breakfast, lunches, and lessons about food and nutrition for the young attendees.’

      • Ishmael

        Hungry children? ha, in my day……

        They are sick bastards who run this …Mess.

    • Rocky

      I seem to recall the Wilson Government stopping all the milk to high schools in 1968. ‘Wilson, Wilson’ the milk snatcher doesn’t have the same ring to it mind you.

  • Sharp Ears

    Garudian’s Russophobia continues. This from:
    Marie Mendras, a professor at the Paris School of International Affairs (Sciences Po) and a research fellow at the French National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS)

    Vladimir Putin’s Russia is a creaking ship. Don’t fall for the propaganda
    Marie Mendras The united front seen during the World Cup is an illusion. Putin fears the convergence of grassroots and an elite opposition

    Oh dear Marie! Has Vladimir bitten you on your bum?

  • Dave

    Why did Cameron promise to hold an In or Out referendum? The popular explanation is for internal party reasons, but alternatively it was because he expected Remain to win and this result would supersede the still live but seldom mentioned promise by Lab and Con to hold a referendum on joining the Euro-currency. That is, if Remain had won UK would have rapidly progressed to joining the Euro as part of the fiscal union to save the Euro/EU project.

    • Rocky

      Nevertheless, its what the majority of the country wanted and voted for. That’s democracy my friend.

      • Dave

        I’m not objecting to the outcome, I’m just pointing out the referendum was more likely held to progress UK joining the Euro.

    • Sharp Ears

      Your namesake is on the speech circuit like BLiar.

      How much do you think Cisco’s paying erstwhile Brit PM David Cameron?
      He’s set to headline networking kit firm’s CIO golf-a-thon

      He also went off to China, again following in BLiar’s footsteps, lining his capacious pockets.
      Cameron faces scrutiny on UK-China fund
      Former PM met Hammond before London and Beijing endorsed business venture

      In between his money making (already rich – Panama Papers) he is sitting in his designer shepherd’s hut writing his memoirs, as if anyone will be interested. He is a revolting spiv.

  • quasi_verbatim

    Teletrash is slavering over treason law for returning Jihadis and White Helmets.

    Unfortunately, treason law was abolished by Tony Blair.

    But, if brought back, could it be applied to Moggies?

  • quasi_verbatim

    Locked in a room in his safe house, not allowed outside, weird clicks on his phone, heavily medicated, no access to visitors, pre-approved DVDs on his TV…

    Poor Charlie. And all because the lady loved NovSpray.

  • Isa

    Who gave evidence in private to the judge in the Litvinenko case ? Christopher Steel

    Who is responsible for the dossier ( now proved incorrect ) stating Russia bribed FIFA for the the World Cup? Christopher Steele

    Who is responsible for the golden shower dossier ? Steele

    Who allegedly worked with Pablo who is Skripal’s handler ? Christopher Steel .

    This man keeps popping up as a common denominator .

  • quasi_verbatim

    Charlie: a “sealed box” and “cellophane wrapped” but he’s “struggling to remember where he found it”.

    Boots parfumery counter? Cross-channel ferry? Debenhams?

  • Paul Barbara

    ‘An open letter from a Salisbury resident to Asst. Commissioner Neil Basu’: sident-to-Asst-Commissioner-Neil-Basu

    ‘….The lack of CCTV footage is very odd, since:
    a) CCTV footage of Mr Skripal on 4th March certainly does exist (for example, I know for a fact that there is clear footage of Mr Skripal feeding ducks with some boys near the Avon Playground, at around 1:45 that day).
    b) Releasing such footage is surely exactly the sort of thing that is likely to jog peoples’ memories and lead to the kind of information requested by Mark Rowley.
    The second point is with regard to Mr Skripal’s and Yulia’s movements on the morning of 4th March. Many early reports stated that investigators were trying to establish their movements, but one of the things that had hampered this was the fact that they both had their mobile telephones switched off.

    I understand that at that time, these details might have been puzzling, and indeed I get the sense that investigators were keen to find out as much as possible about the movements of the pair, so that they could:
    a) Put an end to the media speculation and
    b) Relate these details to the general public, again in the hope that the information given out might lead to vital information coming in.
    Forgive me for sounding somewhat facetious here: Mr Skripal and his daughter are both alive. In fact, both have been awake and well for around four months. It is not as if they died, taking with them the secret of their movements on the morning of 4th March to the grave….’

    A well-put together letter, which no doubt will be met with an anodyne waffle.

    • bj

      Of course there is a contradiction –but one with a twist– in the letter: if the police have talked to the Skripals about their whereabouts, there’s no reason anymore to ask the public.

      But the twist is: the three facts –taken together– that the public aren’t actively involved AND that the Skripals are alive AND the death of Dawn Sturgess means that the police must be taken as culpable for her death.

      How so?
      Because the Skripals being alive AND no public involvement can almost only*) mean the Skripals cooperated with the police BUT were unable to lead to a breakthrough. But that would have made a public involvement by the police compulsory; the fact that they didn’t makes them culpable for the consequences of failing to do that.

      There’s another possibility: the Skripals being alive AND no public involvement means the Skripals are being treated as suspects, and they aren’t talking.

      That could implicitly mean that the whole ‘State actor’ narrative came apart at some point, or was wilfully grabbed upon, and this fact may never come out

      Then Yulia and Sergei can never make pubic ‘we’re suspects, not victims, have to be bought off, etc..

      Where would the police be at all if I hadn’t decided to dust off my Cluedo kit.
      Glad to assist.

    • Michael McNulty

      People have been convinced the Skripals are alive but no proof of that has ever been provided. Yulia could have made that video earlier and even if produced later she could have been killed after. And Sergei has never been seen so how can anyone say he’s alive?

  • Dave

    The false flags have become so transparent it must be done on purpose to intimidate the public. Doing it this way means no establishment loyalist could ask a pertinent question by mistake because they can all see its fake and means only a traitor (who deserves the consequences) would ask a pertinent question. Hence the absence of any pertinent questions from a loyal MSM. And everyone is forced to acquiesce with compulsory national minutes silences being held for the victims of all the false flag events, although not yet for Dawn.

    • lysias

      It’s the combination of transparent lies and uniform media acceptance of them that’s the killer.

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