UPDATE
I am prepared to acknowledge that, given the gate design, they could have passed through different gates in exact synchronicity and this may be a red herring. I am leaving this post up here as it is good to acknowledge mistakes. Please read my updated post Skripals – The Mystery Deepens
Russia has developed an astonishing new technology enabling its secret agents to occupy precisely the same space at precisely the same time.
These CCTV images released by Scotland yard today allegedly show Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov both occupying exactly the same space at Gatwick airport at precisely the same second. 16.22.43 on 2 March 2018. Note neither photo shows the other following less than a second behind.
There is no physically possible explanation for this. You can see ten yards behind each of them, and neither has anybody behind for at least ten yards. Yet they were both photographed in the same spot at the same second.
The only possible explanations are:
1) One of the two is travelling faster than Usain Bolt can sprint
2) Scotland Yard has issued doctored CCTV images/timeline.
I am going with the Met issuing doctored images.
UPDATE
A number of people have pointed out a third logical possibility, that the photographs are not of the same place and they are coming through different though completely identical entry channels. The problem with that is the extreme synchronicity. You can see from the photos that the channel(s) are enclosed and quite long, and they would have had to enter different entrances to the channels. So it is remarkable they were at exactly the same point at the same time. Especially as one of them appears to be holding (wheeled?) luggage and one has only a shoulder bag.
I have traveled through Gatwick many times but cannot call to mind precisely where they are. Can anybody pinpoint the precise place in the airport? Before or after passport control? Before or after baggage collection? Before or after customs? The only part of the airport this looks like to me is shortly after leaving the plane after the bridge, and before joining the main gangway to passport control – in which case passengers are not split into separated channels at the stage this was taken. I can’t recall any close corridors as long as this after passport control. But I am open to correction.
Please read my updated post Skripals – The Mystery Deepens
also weather in Moscow on March 2 was minus 11 / 15 Celsius and they are not dressed for that, so likely either not travelling from Moscow at all or just transiting Moscow from warmer climes like say Nazi Ukraine.
Also, why does police legend say 15.00 hrs?
That’s the arrival time I think.
I would guess that that’s the scheduled arrival time for their plane, and that it was delayed.
I think the two men are going through jet bridges. Some planes use more than one so it would be important to find out how many were used on the ‘Russians’ flight
Fair enough, but what are the chances of them being filmed at exactly the same second on each tunnel???
agreed this would explain why they have only hand luggage
“Can anybody pinpoint the precise place in the airport? ”
Yes: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1569164,-0.1626274,2a,75y,343.07h,71.69t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1syZ1o0TkX5OKUFO59cY4ahQ!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656
(Thanks to Anton P)
Notice there is a a small piece of a red security notice in the two photos. You will need to see the original police photos to see this. In only one of the four lanes is that possible. The one on the right as viewed from the exit. Two different photos of the same lane with the same timestamp. ???? I’d say in both images are fake.
Note that if you do take two jumps forward you can actually look up and see the video cameras hanging down from the ceiling.
They are definitely PTZ cameras, so there is no argument to be made regarding the camera angles.
Indeed, with those parallel gates it would be perfectly possible for two companions to walk through adjacent gates less than a second apart.
corkie: “In only one of the four lanes is that possible”
If you go here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1570431,-0.1626375,2a,75y,213.26h,76.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUp1hUa_MAdqhrCbrec0SJw!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656
you get an angled view into all four lanes.
Are you talking about the red-trimmed notice? Or the red “no-go” circles on the glass doors?
Either way, those are present on all four lanes.
Very good, but you really need to go two jumps forward and then spin the view 180 degrees, like so:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1570157,-0.1626565,2a,75y,166.56h,69.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1svV47ixbwSQnbQjlwIUFvnQ!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656
That’s pretty much spot-on.
But in your google view the tunnels are different lengths whereas in the photographs the tunnels look identical and the same length.
No, they are the same length, just staggered in their positioning.
Must have been the North Terminal – https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.161154,-0.1773495,2a,75y,195.93h,71.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skrDKt_hDawNNL1vh1ILPPw!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656
Well done, Anton. I was through them myself earlier this year.
Very suspicious. We’d better check your timestamp! 🙂
Doesn’t explain them going through different tunnels at precisely the same time.
Oh, yeah, well spotted. That’s a MUCH better fit, as it explains both the look-down angle of the camera and the security notice that can just be seen in the right-hand side in both photos.
a second is 1000 milliseconds.
if Russia send assassins they’d all be wearing wax Barbour Operative, Espionage and Emissary jackets.
What colour?
This from MOA
This is an obvious fabrication of evidence. What they did was to take 2 photos from the same tunnel using the same camera at different times, but with the camera rotated about 20 degrees between them (notice the slightly different fish-eye lens distortions). Afterwards they flipped one of the images horizontally and added time-stamps to the images, but forgot to change the times between them.
I reversed the above process, aligned the images and made a GIF animation to prove it, see https://postimg.cc/image/x1ixk7r4x/
These people are stupid.
Posted by: Norwegian | Sep 5, 2018 5:29:46 PM | 45
The camera is obviously of the PTZ variety i.e. it can Pan/Tilt/Zoom, hence the different angle between shots.
Indeed, if the software is sophisticated enough it will lock onto a face and then automatically Pan/Tilt/Zoom as the person moves down the corridor. I don’t think there is anything to be made regarding the different camera angles.
The time-stamp is another matter altogether: I can’t believe nobody has mentioned that you can juuuuuust see the top of another date-stamp in the still image of “Boshirov”. Clearly that is the time-stamp that the camera is putting onto the video stream, while the big-arse time-stamp has (I assume) been added later by the Met Police for Reasons That Totally Escape Me.
But since that original date-stamp is demonstrably truncated then that means that both videos have been cropped.
The only explanation I can think of for why that would be done is to avoid showing that original date-stamp/time-stamp.
That makes sense. By the way, there is a completely innocent explanation for why they would not have wanted to show the original timestamps: Because the camera’s clock was off. I think this is the case pretty much universally for CCTV cameras. They tend to go a little bit too fast or too slow, and to ignore the summer/winter time issue.
Doubtful. They are all sending their stream to a central server somewhere in the airport. I’ve installed many IP cameras and it is a simple setting to make them slave their clock to an external time source. Which is usually (not always, but usually) the video server itself.
Where are the other passengers.
How does the cctv image get a pause stamp
I suspect the stamps are from whatever the Met Police were using to review the video feed that was sent to them by the Gatwick security guys.
I doubt they were in the original feed.
Your memory is correct it is after leaving the plane and before passport control
No it isn’t. It’s on exiting airside into the public concourse area of Gatwick North Terminal.
See Anton P’s and david’s posts above.
There is no mystery about that, but the photos do look rather grainy, unlike the Google Streetview images.
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The google link I was sharing is actually from the South terminal. This is the one from the North – https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.161154,-0.1773495,2a,75y,195.93h,71.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skrDKt_hDawNNL1vh1ILPPw!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656
Right, the Maybot’s stooges have had all the truthful comments removed on this Indy article: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-salisbury-novichock-attack-russia-campaign-spy-a8524716.html Any1 here up to flagging the last remaining stooge’s posts too? I mean fair does eh? =)
This is a great article too: https://off-guardian.org/2018/09/05/skripal-case-suspects-named-questions-raised/
Lovely, prob sorted =)
So far none of this story has rung true or made any sense to me.
They sprayed the toxin onto the doorknob from a perfume bottle. Really? While wearing full protective gear or in civvies? And this Soviet era deadly super poison didn’t work on the targets. Was it past its sell by date?
They may be two different places. First there is the apparent difference in shadow shape at the bottom left of what appears to be the entrance. If these were parallel channels you might expect those two areas to be lit from different directions. Second there is the apparent angle of the black lines in the lefthand wall. They are different, indicating that the camera angles relative to the walls are different.
Edit: @David P’s Google link shows parallel and staggered channels. Excellent piece of work.
Sorry – I mean @David’s not David P’s.
Nice bit of thinking, @Craig, but parallel channels.
Notice there is a a small piece of a red security notice in the two photos. You will need to see the original police photos to see this. In only one of the four lanes is that possible. The one on the right as viewed from the exit. Two different photos of the same lane with the same timestamp. ???? I’d say in both images are fake.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1570429,-0.1626642,2a,89.7y,192.36h,83.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5aRAGxER5MlF-9kpw8ZyRQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Here is the right link which puts things straight and answers some of the questions – https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.161154,-0.1773495,2a,75y,195.93h,71.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skrDKt_hDawNNL1vh1ILPPw!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656
It’s the North Terminal
Back to the “exact” timing issue.
What timing issue? Two people are walking along side each other. They go through different corridors. The average walking speed is 1.4 metres per second. They pretty much continue walking along side each other. I would actually be more odd if the timing was different in that case.
So unless one of them stopped to make sure novichok was still secure, they should be in front of the camera at the exact same time.
hey Craig
I was in Gatwick not long ago, I think these are the customs channels, I think it is not implausible that if two people were travelling together they would split and go through two neighbouring channels simultaneously.
In my view actually faking evidence is the very last resort of the authorities. If you fake evidence you can get badly caught out. They can conceal, destroy and misrepresent evidence all day long but actually faking it is very dangerous. Plus, the people who know what is going on are best kept higher up from the people who actually carry out the work, the latter just follow orders and keep quiet and don’t think about what they are doing if they want to keep their jobs.
And yet STILL they clearly faked it. Sheesh, shows you just how idiotic they are.
“The mainstream media will be all over this like a rash tomorrow!”
“I’ll do the jokes.”
I wonder whether these two gentlemen had any contact with Nikolai Glushkov or Roman Abramovich.
Dear Craig,
Over at Moon of Alabama, in the comments forum attached to Bernhard H’s post on the same photo, a commenter “Norwegian” has said that the two photos are of the same tunnel (but with the camera angle rotated about 20 degrees between the two images) and one photo has been flipped horizontally to its mirror image. Then the time stamps were applied.
“Norwegian” reversed the flip, realigned the images and made a GIF animation to demonstrate his point.
https://postimg.cc/image/x1ixk7r4x/
“Norwegian’s” demonstration fails. Look at the first metre or two of lefthand wall after the entrance.
The corridors seem to be different lengths. The camera lens smudges differ. And if you look at the metal gate (open) right where the men are, one is slightly closed (more obvious in the non-cropped images, where you can see both arms of the gate).
It’s a different corridor, different camera. The time stamps may well be faked, no way to verify that, but the pictures aren’t.
Another great spot by Craig and other bloggers.
The two photos are not only Keystone Cops funny, in their photoshop ineptness, but also why are the images lacking clarity?
Steam. It looks like the airport authorities have boiled a kettle of water in front of this security camera.
Or maybe it is not steam that obscures the clarity of these photos, but ghosts/spirits.
May and her Inept Spooks.
What kind of document is the Metropolitan Police statement supposed to be? An appeal for information? A piece of grandstanding? Or some old shit they reluctantly drafted on orders when someone bent their arms behind their backs?
“Our rationale for linking the two investigations [Salisbury and Amesbury] is primarily based on the following four facts:
(…) Secondly, the nerve agent is one of the rarest chemical warfare agents in the world and its discovery, twice, in such close proximity is beyond a coincidence.”
What would the police know about the relative degrees of rarity of rare chemical warfare agents? That’s not their field.
“On the 14 March the Prime Minister said there is no alternative conclusion other than that the Russian State was culpable for the attempted murder of Mr Skripal and his daughter. We now need to hear from the public.”
You what?? Who advised the PM? A crime was committed. Weren’t the police involved somewhere along the line in the briefing of the British government’s chief executive? If you pick these two sentences apart, what they are saying is that the PM said X and now they need to know what “the public” says – will it be X or will it be something else? That sounds more like a psychological warfare question than a question that needs to be determined by a police investigation.
“(…) named by the CPS today as Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov to contact police. Both suspects are approximately 40 years old, and are Russian nationals who were travelling on Russian passports.”
Surely if they are known to be Russian nationals then their names must be known. Are their names “Alexander Petrov” and “Ruslan Boshirov” or not? And if they were entered Britain on Russian passports, then the Home Office must have issued them with British visas. What’s this “approximately 40 years old” crap? You have to put your date of birth when you apply for a visa.
What was their cover?
The police say the two men stayed in the same hotel room? Was it a twin or a double room, a family room, or what?
seemingly Fawlty Towers rented them a ‘Morecambe & Wise type’ two single beds scenario.
Could have been a single room and they slept in the same skinny bed at the same time.
Went to sleep at the same time, got up at the same time and even brushed their teeth at the same time with the same toothbrush.
🙂
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/09/05/12/4FBA238C00000578-6133853-image-m-100_1536145805322.jpg
this image looks manipulated also, the weird leg shape and shadow under the foot look wrong..
this software thinks its manipulated along with a couple others shown to us..
http://imageedited.com/
The man who may be Alexander Petrov is wearing different jackets in the Gatwick and Salibury shots. Just pointing it out.
The guy in the upper picture has his left hand clasping the handrail of an escalator. His body posture also indicates that his right foot is one step above the other.
No sign of an escalator in the picture of the other guy.
I assume the pictures are composites, the smudging helps to disguise the sharp edges.
So, here it must have been the North Terminal, which answer concerns about the red panel and the staggered corridors.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.161154,-0.1773495,2a,75y,195.93h,71.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1skrDKt_hDawNNL1vh1ILPPw!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656
Rather embarrassingly, Mr Murray has now got us all engaged in some slightly abstruse variety of those “spot-the-ball” competitions once popular in tabloid newspapers.
However, while sadly no cash prize is here offered, there’s ample scope to make a complete tit of yourself by expounding all manner of ill-conceived hypotheses, extravagant extrapolations and spurious tinfoil millinery in general.
In this version, one need look no further than the tubular chrome anti-backflow gates to locate the ball. They are at slightly differing “degrees of openness”. Clearly, as seems pretty obvious, the “time stamp” is the same because the two blokes were making their way out of the airport together (as you might expect, these GRU chaps carrying deadly poisons like to stuck close together, whahaha!)
That two mates leaving the airport together walked along two adjacent anti-backflow channels at the same time – to the second – doesn’t seem terribly odd, in fact one would put it at an evens chance. A second is a long time even at shuffle, and those channels are by design quite cramped/short. Best not to further invoke synchronisation problems of time stamps, best not to. The synchronicity of time stamps (as you might hope, if not expect) would therefore appear to have been OK, precisely because of Craig’s so-called “anomaly”. To paraphrase, it’s just a pile of horseshit.
A free year’s subscription to “Football Conspiracies Weekly” for me?
I do of course concur that the whole novichok affair is also horseshit, but such Alcan™ headgear toting just makes you look a bit silly.
Don’t talk sh*t, @James.
@Craig has posted a hypothesis and asked people for their thoughts. Many responses and much of the discussion has been useful and intelligent. That’s a great way to work.
I’m afraid I’m not the one talking shit on this occasion, and for you to describe the content of this post a “hypothesis” is grandiose at best.
At worst, this kind of badly-conceived post, together with the vapid discussion it certainly has promoted is exactly the sort of own-goal which undermines the thought-provoking hypotheses authentically worthy of discussion elsewhere.
That seems not only to be my opinion, and I query the motive for your invective. “Horseshit” appears to be a favoured Craig-ism, and I fear that in this case he’s the one who trod in it, to put it charitably.
I do wonder about the motivations behind much of Mr Murray’s output, but if provoking a large number of responses, generally of low quality, and highly repetitive, he certainly hit the jackpot with this horse.
That does not sound a “good way to work to me.
As I said, it’s embarrassing.
“As I said, it’s embarrassing.”
So you comment on here because…?
Wow there is a lot of commentators on this article so quickly. Touched a nerve.?
Craig Murray is Class.
Always wanted to be an investigator when I was a kid 😉 That’s why
No, we’ve all been banned from commenting over at the usual MSM sites like The Fraudian and The Not-Independent.
Banned from the fraudian online help group #METOO…..lol
Check out the strap of the shoulder bag in the upper picture:
Above the buckle the strap seems to be transparent, the pattern of the jacket is clearly visible through it.
No amount of dirt on a camera lense would have this effect.
The strap runs under the collar/lapel of the jacket.
Yes, this looks strange. But it really doesn’t make sense to fake that strap, does it? I think it’s much more likely that this is a result of image compression. This can produce all sorts of strange artifacts. I believe it’s not unusual for a pattern to be interpolated in this way. This is because JPG (and also MPG and other video compression algorithms, which are based on the JPG algorithm for individual frames or for the differences between frames) makes a Fourier transform of the image. I.e. it represents the image as a superposition of waves of different frequencies. In high quality, some high frequency, low amplitude waves would have corrected the ‘transparent’ part. But for low quality they were discarded, causing the artifact.
I know it sounds weird if you haven’t encountered this before. But if it’s done intentionally, even more is possible. I have seen a photo editing example (for command line open source software) where a young tree trunk was removed from a photo of a forest. The plants behind the missing tree trunk were interpolated so perfectly that you couldn’t see the photo was doctored. And this was done with a single command. The only difficulty was to identify the wavelet that had to be deleted from the image (the wavelet of the tree trunk in question).
Hans Adler, you are trying very hard to dismiss my observation by using technical jargon. But as the biggest part of the photos is nice and clear there is no good explanation for the disappearing strap!
The whole exercise has been scripted by SIS they were involved in trying to frame Trump and distroy his chances of election in 2016.
Take a close look at Christopher Steele background, clients, income, connection etc.
The current head of CIA Gina S…. was chief of London CIA bureau that year. Look at the accounts of obis and see when the money came in.
The fbi boys Peter S (lover of Lisa page) visited London that year alongside his boss Andy McCabe. Sergei would have talked to anyone to earm more $$$$$ and he knew of what he created for the trump dossier. Where was Pablo Miller that weekend, did he arrange for these guys to fly in like a couple of patisses for a face to face to hand them some cash for a quick visit.
The whole exercise has been scripted, with information being released in a timely manmet.
Mark Urban (bbc diplomatic editor) and Pablo miller servered in the the royal tank regiment together (as stated by Craig previously.
Why is Mark Rowley still out of sight, (he those I think he was a Wiltshire police informer) who was manipulated by the police to do what he was told, otherwise he would be banged up as a local drug dealer.
The police Sargent where is he, still on holiday in Australia with his family, enjoying a nice life.
There are too many holes in this story. The MSM does not want to ask the questions, they are all in the govy pockets waiting for there gongs, hence playing the game and silence.
I don’t know if this has been pointed out before:
The word “PAUSE” is in exactly the same font as the timestamp. It follows that these timestamps are very obviously not original but have been added by some software used to playing the videos. This is so obvious that I don’t think it indicates a fake. More likely a bug in the software: The timestamps might not update at all when advancing through the video frame by frame.
If it IS indication of a fake, then it’s a fake that was SUPPOSED to be obvious. But I find it hard to believe that.
Stay calm and …cinap.
Read a good book instead eh? The narrative is in pieces.
It’s was got at the SAME corridor!
Proves:
1. Go to google street view:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1570389,-0.1626798,2a,75y,190.43h,71.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbDP9F6o9-mzp9-7ExjG-Lg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
2. Search metal panel from right side — all corridors have it except last one (right):
http://i68.tinypic.com/2aihdnp.png
http://i67.tinypic.com/20z9qbb.png
3. Look at police shots — all photos with empty corridor without metal panel. It’s THE RIGHT corridor:
http://i66.tinypic.com/27ww01j.png
There are four channels, not three.
The last TWO channels on the right are without the metal panels. Those were the two these guys went through.
Think this might explain it http://www.marcoairportfacilities.co.uk/case-studies/kaba-specialist-gates/2/
If they didn’t go back to Bow from Salisbury on 4 March, what happened to their bags? At Heathrow at 7.28pm they appear to have more bags than at Salisbury at 4.11pm.
It is customary in Russia to go on a shopping spree after spraying Novichok around somebody’s house 😉
One of the guys is left handed and one is right.
The side at which the shoulder strap is on for the guy in the blue jacket suggests he is right handed, there is another image of him at a train station with the strap on the same side and he is using his right hand to pull his trolley. If this is the case then flipping the image would suggest he is left handed, but look at his trouser fly, it is clearly opening to the left in the flipped image.
However, the guy with the beard has his strap on the preferred side for a left hander and appears to be left handed in the photo at Heathrow airport security.
For these reason I think it is unlikely that an image of the guy in the blue jacket has been flipped, if so both men would have to be left handed and he would have to be wearing girls jeans – no Russian assassin would be seen dead in girls jeans.