It’s the Real Thing 111

This video has been on all the major news networks, but I would like you to turn up the sound, watch the twitches and pay close attention to the very definite problems that the Crown Prince is having with his nose.

Here – apart from sniffing and a runny nose – from a treatment website is a list of some of the mental symptoms of cocaine abuse. An interesting take on the reckless Khashoggi assassination?

Mental state:
Unusual excitement
Poor judgment

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    • Paul Barbara

      @ Caratacus October 25, 2018 at 21:26
      Or better still, some REAL ‘Novichocks’. That’ll cure it!

  • Ros Thorpe

    I don’t think he’s necessarily on drugs but is struggling to maintain the official line. The twitching and odd involuntary tics are giveaway signs. Guilty people struggle to look innocent. He does not use the word ‘I’ because he can’t but an innocent person would start with ‘I did not do x’. Guilty people avoid using I and speak in ‘we’ or ‘they’ or generalities. His odd tics are more likely involuntary confessions rather than drug induced symptoms.

    • Herbie

      The story is supposedly that MBS was shocked by the international outcry.

      Thought he was safe and secure to do as he pleased. I mean, he’s been at this sort of stuff for a few years now, with little important criticism to trouble him.

      I’d say he’d be looking for something to quell the anxiety.

      But. The only real question is why it’s all so different this time.

      Looks like it’s a win for Globalism with Erdogan playing to their interests. Something about the sanctions, I suppose, and Qatar and the MB, the US Mid Term elections.

  • Paul Barbara

    Also, he seems to have be having trouble with his TONGUE.
    I can assure any of you that this is a Luciferian trait, totally involuntary on the part of the ‘person’ involved, and controlled by the subconscious. If you want links, you won’t get them. This is purely from my own observations during the last 50-odd years of my life.
    But if any of you have often been in contact with mental patients, or people with major disabilities, you will be aware of the phenomenon, far more noticeable than the ‘Crown Prince’.
    Also think gargoyles. And snakes.
    I personally have witnessed the most grotesque tongue protrusions, from seemingly ‘ordinary’ folk, including acquaintances, bowler-hatted passers by, and even nuns.
    It is not really surprising that MBS shows the tongue – flicking, albeit to a minor degree and not normally noticeable to Joe Public, but I see it, and log it.
    It is one of the signs of Demonic control of the person.

    • Herbie

      They’re weird, these elites, to be sure, but I think we’ve much more substantial critiques than speculation on tongues. You can undermine more substantial arguments by association with Lizardry.

      “Also think gargoyles. And snakes.”

      The “snake” symbol and narrative is very very old and part of our collective memory, according to Dr Jordan Peterson, He makes an excellent argument on this, combining Biology, Psychology, Evolution, History and Myth, and big dollops of Jung.

      The snake was once our main predator, when we lived in trees, and so we’ve got kinda like anti-snake stuff built in, otherwise we wouldn’t have survived.

      The snake later became a symbol of evil.


      They’re generally on the outside of medieval churches, little demons who look down upon you and dare you to enter, but you battle through and emerge in the beauty of the great cathedral.

      It’s a ritual.

      The practice of braving the demons to be in God’s house.

      • uncle tungsten

        In defence of snakes, they are remarkable andsomerimes beautiful creatures. The ancient occupants of Egypt revered them and they are common in their hieroglyphic languages. They were used in a variety of quasi medical and metabolic supports. It was an interesting aside though.

        My guess as to why the bad nose may have more to do with catching a cold from his intense round of meeting foreign visitors. After all there are more of them than Satan.

        Go easy on the snakes, they are our friends and certainly more so than war mongering humans

    • Jen

      You have to wonder also if MbS’s head spins 720 degrees when he gets up first thing in the morning … or after midnight as the case may be.

  • Jen

    I’m not convinced by his body language in the video that the Saudi Crown Prince is abusing cocaine. There would have to be more evidence from other videos and from people who know him well and who are in a position to speak about him and describe his behaviour and habits accurately without having to fear retribution. He may be acting the way he is because of nerves, guilt or impatience.

    One symptom of cocaine abuse from the link that CM refers to is sensitivity to light (because of dilated pupils). I do not see in the video that MbS is blinking excessively or trying to shield his eyes.

    And he definitely looks as if he’s not gone off eating.

    Here’s an old video (from 1974) of someone who was high on cocaine at the time of his interview:

  • nevermind

    Funny that? I just posted the very same observations, not knowing of what you wrote, I do not read or use twitter, the coverage of his nasal exercises yesterday were as obvious as an open book.
    Thanks Craig, regards to all.

  • Baron

    More to the point:

    Why wasn’t Khashoggi warned?

    The CIA said, immediately after the story broke up, that they had intercepted Saudi communications to kidnap him; If the Turks recorded the actual slaughtering they must have also been recording prior to it from K’s first visit to the Consulate three or four days prior to the last, for the guy, the terminal visit, the Consul or other staff must have talked about it, communicate with Ryiadh in those days. The hiring of the two planes, the arrival of the group made up of individuals close to the Prince, the discovery of the bone saw could not have escaped the attention of the airport officials.

    The Turks and the CIA must have known or at least suspected what is likely to happen, did nothing to warn K. Why?

    There’s more to the story than meets half an eye.

    • Hatuey

      And you can bet more will come out. More to the point, everything we hear about it going forward will be in the context of blaming Trump. It’s a total set-up.

      • SA

        You have mentioned this before. But this lacks finesse. It is neither the prime aim nor the cause of this episode. Everything that happens in foreign policy affect the US is now seen through this prism of attacks on Trump. The unprecedented thing here is that you have an impulsive narcissistic POTUS who shoots from the hip. When this policy suits, such as when he impulsively fired cruise missiles on Syria, those who usually criticise Trump, joined forces with him. In this hypocritical world nothing is clear.
        Now there is no hidden agend behind the murder of Jamal Kashoggi. MBS has just overstepped his supposed impunity. Yes he has done it before with imprisonment of many princes and disposal of others but what is different here is that he did it under the nose of an arch rival Erdogan. It is because of the insistence of Erdogan and the graphic detailed description of what intelligence he posses that the story could not be ignored. Many people seem to ignore how Erdogan is becoming one of the most cunning and dangerous player in the region. He has virtually neutralised the US and kept Russia at bay and no one is opposing his occupation of north Syria. As a member of NATO he can fall back on this alliance and also get advanced weapons from Russia.
        To see how determined Erdogan is in his ambition you just need to look up his speech following that of Putin and Rouhani in the Idlib related conference in Tehran. He turned the tables on both who thought that Erdogan will agree to some sort of arrangement to hand back Idlib to the Syrians but he made it clear that this will not be the case and the Syrians and Russians had to abort the impending invasion.

        • Laguerre

          “but he made it clear that this will not be the case and the Syrians and Russians had to abort the impending invasion.” That’s a bit over-demonising Erdogan, isn’t it? The planned invasion of Idlib is only postponed, not aborted, and not because of Erdogan, but because of the risk of a military clash with the US. Putin has done this frequently – he backs off, and comes back at another moment. There was a time when he withdrew all Russian troops from Syria, and then a few months later they’re back. It’s all standard Russian tactics under Putin.

          • SA

            You are always more optimistic about Syria than I am. First of all, it is very difficult to over-demonise Erdogan in his ambitions concerning Syria. He has proved a very wily manipulator of both sides and seems to get his way. It is all very well to say that the Idlib invasion has been postponed, but it is also clear that Erdogan has been supporting Al Nusra all along and will continue to do so. If he really wanted to crush Al Nusra he had 7 years not to supply them with arms.

          • Laguerre

            I am not optimistic; I just don’t believe in the omnipotence of either the US or Erdogan. I think you’re exaggerating what Erdogan is capable of doing. His main interest is to beat down the Kurds outside Turkey who might help their relatives within the country. His interest in al-Nusra is limited, and permanent expansion of Turkey to the south is out of the question, though many conspiracy theorists like to think it. It would impossible in the modern day to integrate such a large number of Kurds and Arabs into Turkey – he’d bring down his own government.

        • Deb O'Nair

          “the Syrians and Russians had to abort the impending invasion.”

          The Syrian army taking back control of a part of Syria is not an invasion.

          • SA

            Sorry Deb, you are quite right. I was writing under time constraint at the time and couldn’t find the right word. Liberation is the one.

      • SA

        And then of course there is this conundrum. Having made Saudi Arabia indispensable in order to keep the price of a barrel of oil from reaching $400 by the sanctions against Iran, the US and U.K. can hardly start attacking SA (disclaimer I SA have nothing to do with Saudi Arabia which we should perhaps refer to as KSA for the sake of clarity. Also by the same token we should refer to South Africa as the RSA), and there is also the other matter of the supply of armaments. The U.K. has always refrained from criticising KSA as in the case of the film Death if a Princess which caused a major row and as in the case of Thatcher and Blair both diverting the course of justice to protect their allies.
        This also explains the rather low key stance adopted by this government hoping it will blow away before any real damage is done.

    • Isa

      In total agreement . It’s pure logic that if all was set up to record the murder then the same surveillance was there prior to it .

      The CIA knew and the Turkish knew . None did anything to prevent it.

      The theory that makes most sense to me / that the Saudis in power were discontent with the crown prince for a while , as was the CIA , and that this was a planned coup aided by the CIA with the aim of substituting the prince .

      The media full on interest on this is unnatural if you analyse their non coverage of Yemen . It is planned and it serves a purpose of USA foreign policy and domestic policy as well .

      Furthermore I think most lowered their analysis and evidence demand as this is Saudi we are talking about. We have been presented no palpable evidence and you will excuse me but the babchenko fiasco is well present in my mind to accept anything at face value . It is likely it did happen but I want evidence it actually did . Sad but this is what crazy U.K. , USA or Ukraine farces have done to the public .

    • Yonatan

      There is the dog that didn’t bark. Why on earth did he go to the Consulate? How much pressure was applied by his (self-)alleged fiance? Will she disappear from view just like Anna Ardin?

    • kashmiri

      @Baron: Why? Simple. Because there was so much more benefit for Turkey in NOT warning him.

  • Gary

    Interestingly, when people lie the lining of their noses becomes inflamed causing is to be itchy. Often you will see people involuntarily scratching their noses when being asked ‘awkward questions’ It takes a lot of practise, or a truly psychopathic nature to overcome this reflexive action.

  • frank

    Holy cow. Has Craig Murray really sunk so low so as to use this kind of nonsense in some kind of smear? What’s next, body language interpretation? Horoscopes?

    It’s one thing to not like MBS, it’s another to lose all credibility with these kind of infantile smear tactics.

  • Sharp Ears

    Same old. Same old. Ever the arms salesman.

    Duke of York ‘eager to work closely with Saudi Arabia’
    October 26 2018,

    The Duke of York was in Abu Dhabi this week to promote his entrepreneurship scheme

    The Duke of York has raised eyebrows by expressing his eagerness to work more closely with Saudi Arabia days after it admitted killing the journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

    In an address to young people, Prince Andrew hailed the success of his scheme to promote entrepreneurship in the United Arab Emirates and said he hoped that Saudi Arabia would soon join the initiative.

    His comments came as western leaders and executives boycotted an investment conference in Saudi Arabia over its involvement in Khashoggi’s murder. Liam Fox, the international trade secretary, pulled out of the “Davos in the Desert” conference last week, saying the time was not right for him to attend. Saudi Arabia admitted yesterday that the murder was planned.

    The duke was in Abu Dhabi on… paywall

  • John Monro

    I don’t know any drug users to comment on how they use their noses. but maybe he just has hay fever. As to the list of possible symptoms or signs of drug abuse listed, there’s half the world’s politicians could have several of these – they’re actually requirements of political success, pre-existing sociopathy only needed.

      • Not

        My impression before reading here. Am aware of the world of royalty in the middle east from informal , will not say which countries, so there is no surprise if so. I’ll repeat as I said before, these people are manipulable. Another one but via other means, goodbye Muscat as Qaboos invites a certain questionable leader . Oman is or was about the most sensible country in the region, this is too low and it will be noted given the current policy the invited leader stands for. It does not bode well.

  • J

    I’m quite enjoying the reactionary response to this blog post.

    One can almost hear the hackles of middle class cocaine users rising. They can object to Saudi for many reasons, not least their appalling habit of funding extremism across the world, extremism which has proven extremely useful Western interests in the long term. Not least their role in blowing up WTC1,2 & 7 as if on cue, and erasing Pentagon records of what was at that time a few trillion missing from the budget (which has since risen to $21 trillion.) They can even follow along with otherwise sensible critics of MSM who are becoming entrenched behind an odd line of defence of MBS because apparently, his guilt “is what the media want.” But the characterisation of a mass murderer as a coke head, that’s apparently beyond the pale.

    Has it ever occurred to such critics that with public trust in MSM at a record ebb, the only strategy they have left is to occasionally tack against the wind, their course otherwise unchanged? Presumably MSM have already realised that their strongest appeal to reactionary critics is to appear as one in favour of a story.

  • J

    The article below is so very enjoyable, it deserves the widest possible audience:

    As FAIR has noted for years, one of the primary ideological functions of US corporate media is to maintain the mythology that the US is a noble protector of democracy and arbiter of human rights. When material facts—like wars of aggression, massive spying regimes, the funding and arming right-wing militias and the propping up of dictators—get in the way of this mythology the response by most pundits is to wave away these inconsistencies, ignore them altogether or spin them as Things That Are Actually Good.

    There is, however, another underappreciated trope used to prop up this mythology: that the US political class does bad things, not because bad things serve US imperial interests, but because they’re corrupted by sinister foreign actors.

    As more information about Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi’s brazen murder at the hands of the Saudi government comes to light, some in the US press are positioning Saudi Arabia as having “corrupted” Washington—as Khashoggi’s own editor lamented on Twitter last week. It’s a reassuring narrative, and one that will likely grow increasingly popular in the coming weeks: The Saudis have “corrupted,” “played” or “captured” an otherwise benevolent, values-based US government.

    While it’s refreshing that some are starting to challenge the United States’ grotesque alliance with the Saudi theocratic monarchy, it’s important to note that it’s not a product of a foreign boogeyman, but core to the US imperial project. Historically, the US hasn’t embraced despotic regimes despite their oppressive nature, but precisely because of it.

    In a report on why Khashoggi’s killing was unlikely to fundamentally alter the US/Saudi relationship, NBC News (10/17/18) casually threw out this highly contestable claim:

    Adam Coogle, a Middle East researcher with Human Rights Watch, said the longstanding economic and security ties with Saudi Arabia have forced the US to tolerate a lot of questionable Saudi behavior.

    It’s difficult to tell if the words spoken are those of Coogle or NBC reporters Rachel Elbaum, Yuliya Talmazan and Dan De Luce, but the reader is left with the same net effect: Due to “economic and security ties” somehow outside of its control, the most powerful country in the history of the world is “forced” to “tolerate” what’s called “questionable” behavior—a phrase that sweeps together the wholesale destruction of Yemen, the beheading of dissidents, the disappearing of women drivers and the brutal murder of Khashoggi. (In the case of Yemen, to “tolerate” means, among many other forms of active support, providing targeting instructions for a vicious airstrike campaign.)

    Can one imagine NBC News or a Human Rights Watch researcher ever saying, “The longstanding economic and security ties Russia has with Syria have forced Putin to tolerate a lot of questionable behavior from Assad”? It’s an agency-free, blameless construction, reserved only for the United States. Similar to how the US never chooses to go to war, but is constantly “stumbling” into it, Washington always means well, but can’t help engaging in large-scale, highly sophisticated mechanized violence.

    Vox’s Matt Yglesias (10/19/18) joined the revisionism, writing, “The realities of Cold War politics got us involved in deep, long-term cooperation with a Saudi state that is not otherwise a natural partner for the United States.” Never mind that the US/Saudi partnership predates the Cold War by about 15 years, the idea that dictators or sectarian regimes in the Middle East aren’t “natural partners of the United States”—especially during the Cold War—is a total fiction.

    The trope of foreign corruption of the innocent empire, of course, predates Khashoggi’s death. Vox’s Max Fisher (3/21/16) insisted in March 2016 that Saudi Arabia has “captured” Washington, and this was the reason “we” had strayed from “our values.”

    The article treated the US/Saudi alliance as some kind of mystery, rather than the logical outgrowth of a cynical empire that is not motivated by human rights but uses them for branding. “America’s foreign policy establishment has aligned itself with an ultra-conservative dictatorship that often acts counter to US values,” Fisher insisted. What “values” are those? He never really explained, but went on:

    What explains the Washington consensus in favor of Wahhabist autocrats who often act counter to American values and interests? Some in the Obama administration, based on what they told the Atlantic (and on my own conversations with administration officials), seem to believe the answer is money: that Saudi Arabia and other oil-rich Arab states have purchased loyalty and influence.

    Obama administration officials who back Saudi crimes and sell them billions in arms aren’t to blame; it’s some nebulous Saudi lobby, Obama administration officials insist, with money that somehow they are powerless to resist.

    Clearly Saudi money—like pro-Israel money—has influence around the margins (or else, one assumes, they wouldn’t spend it), but the idea that the US wouldn’t be backing violent dictatorships if it wasn’t corrupted by some sinister foreign actor has no historical or empirical basis. US backing of Saudi Arabia predates its current public relations machine by decades, a machine that exists largely to influence the scope and depth of the US/Saudi alliance, not the fact of it.

    Fisher even vaguely acknowledges this (“no one is ordered by foreign funders to express a certain viewpoint. Rather, they described a subtler role, in which money amplifies preexisting norms and habits that favor a pro-Saudi consensus”), but this undercuts his thesis entirely—that Saudi Arabia somehow undermines America’s “values” rather than manifests them. But Fisher doesn’t appear to earnestly be trying to understand the nature of this alliance; he appears to be tasked, instead, with ameliorating cognitive dissonance, with preserving US human rights mythology by treating it as a foreign-contrived anomaly, rather than a natural extension of a largely violent and arbitrary global empire. Then comes the kicker:

    US still provides direct support for Saudi actions that undermine the regional stability America desires, for example by backing the Yemen war against Americans’ better judgment.

    What Americans? Where? The Obama White House at the time, as Fisher notes in the next paragraph, backed the war entirely. So who are these mysterious Americans whose “judgment” is against the Yemen war? He never says. These good, wholesome Americans who believe in US “values” are somehow never in charge, but are nonetheless always being corrupted by dastardly foreign actors.

    • Jon

      Thanks J – that is some good material. It’s much in the same vein as Media Lens, and I should read both more often.

  • Yonatan

    Have a look a Daniella Westbrook’s nose – after 10 years of cocaine use. Vasoconstriction effect on the nasal septum is clear. No so with MbS. Maybe Ms Westbrook has a more delicate and susceptible nose? However, a speaker rubbing their nose is typically a classic indicator of too many porky pies.

    • Sebastian

      Maybe he knows to follow Scottish government advise on the matter, and irrigate his sinuses after. Those two one sided facial spasms around the nose look like a bit of a give away to me ! Perhaps our Craig has led a more worldly life than some of his commentators ?

  • Sharp Ears

    2 hrs ago
    Khashoggi’s fiancee says not planning to go to White House
    ISTANBUL (Reuters) – The fiancee of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi said on Friday she did not accept U.S. President Donald Trump’s invitation to visit the White House because she thought it was aimed at influencing public opinion in his favor.
    In an interview with Haberturk TV, Hatice Cengiz said she would not go to the White House until the United States was sincere in its efforts to solve Khashoggi’s killing, demanding that all those responsible be tried and punished.
    6 hrs ago
    Turkey’s Erdogan issues ‘final warning’ on Syria
    ANKARA (Reuters) – Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan on Friday issued what he said was a “final warning” to those who would endanger Turkey’s borders, saying Ankara was determined to focus its attention on Syrian Kurdish fighters east of the Euphrates.

    Erdogan, who was speaking to a group of provincial leaders of his AK Party in Ankara, said Turkey would focus its attention east of the Euphrates in Syria, rather than the Manbij area, citing the presence of the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia. Turkey regards the YPG as a terrorist group.

    Turkey demands Saudi Arabia reveals where Jamal Khashoggi’s body is
    Recep Erdogan steps up the pressure and claims he has more evidence, ahead of meetings by the two countries’ public prosecutors.
    12:55, UK,
    26 October 2018

  • Zed

    The valets at the Sheraton in Seattle used to joke the street value of cocaine doubled when the mayor of Mecca was in town for cancer treatments. His ‘staff’ were some wiry scary folks.

  • Observer

    It would appear that this coke thing runs in the family:

    “Colonel Lees, author of A Handbook of the Al Sa’ud Ruling Family of Saudi Arabia, told Rudaw: ‘The Saudis will never admit that MbS (Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman) was culpable but this does not mean that he is in the clear. I believe that the king – assuming he is in one of his “clear” periods – will get rid of MbS by replacing him.”

    PS Very good lateral thought, Craig. But tell me please, if you understand, why are there so many arseholes on your blog who take you so literally? Serious question.

    • Shatnersrug

      Craig was clearly a bit tipsy when he posted this! And I salute him for it. Everything is so serious all the time.

      But have to say, when it comes to cocaine they all do it, elites that is. Why wouldn’t they? It’s a rich mans drug.

      We only hear about the ones that can’t control it

  • SA

    The line seems to be now that you can’t stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia because all it does is give the Russians and Chinese the chance to fill the gap. This is an argument that has been used in many contexts and there is an element of truth in this. Would the answer be that all arms sales should be certified by the UN?

  • Deepgreenpuddock

    MANY YEARS AGO ,there was a scandal in the thatcher era where vast amounts of tax money was given to john de lorean so that he could build the stainless steel ‘de lorean’. it was supposed to provide employment in the troubled soon became obvious that de lorean used the money to fund his playboy lifestyle. So much for the supposedly ‘business astute” thatcherite tories. a friend who was familiar with drugs and drug takers bust into raucous laughter as we watched an interview of de lorean,who sniffed and dabbed his nose all through the interview. On enquiring, the friend explained that it was very plain that de lorean had a very expensive cocaine habit. He wondered how any senior politician or civil servant, sho were dealing with de lorean could have failed to recognise these symptoms.
    Itt begs the question were (some of) the politicians and officials part of the scam?

  • Dungroanin

    Off-Guardian article with interesting comments (not mine).

    The latest news of the 4-way meeting between Putin, Erdogan, Merkel AND Macron (!?*) is BIG news – ignored by MSM. Al-jazeera at least manages to give a much bigger picture covering most of the developments. For example reporting :
    ‘A final statement from the four leaders also rejected “separatist agendas aimed at undermining the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Syria as well as the national security of neighboring countries”.’

    * Macron being there must be representing FUKUS & SIS (SaudiIsraelState) – the losers in the Syrian debacle – the bankers man!

  • Chris Abbott

    If I were him, after this debacle, I’d be worrying about my neck rather than my nose.

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