Keeping Freedom Alive 1247

I want to make one or two points for you to ponder while I am in jail. This is the last post until about Christmas; we are not legally able to post anything while I am imprisoned. But the Justice for Craig Murray Campaign website is now up and running and will start to have more content shortly. Fora and comments here are planned to stay open.

I hope that one possible good effect of my imprisonment might be to coalesce opposition to the imminent abolition of jury trials in sexual assault cases by the Scottish Government, a plan for which Lady Dorrian – who wears far too many hats in all this – is front and centre. We will then have a situation where, as established by my imprisonment, no information at all on the defence case may be published in case it contributes to “jigsaw identification”, and where conviction will rest purely on the view of the judge.

That is plainly not “open justice”, it is not justice at all. And it is even worse than that, because the openly stated aim of abolishing juries is to increase conviction rates. So people will have their lives decided not by a jury of their peers, but by a judge who is acting under specific instruction to increase conviction rates.

It is often noted that conviction rates in rape trials are too low, and that is true. But have you ever heard this side of the argument? In Uzbekistan under the Karimov dictatorship, when I served there, conviction rates in rape trials were 100%. In fact very high conviction rates are a standard feature of all highly authoritarian regimes worldwide, because if the state prosecutes you then the state gets what it wants. The wishes of the state in such systems vastly outweigh the liberty of the individual.

My point is simply this. You cannot judge the validity of a system simply by high conviction rates. What we want is a system where the innocent are innocent and the guilty found guilty; not where an arbitrary conviction target is met.

The answer to the low conviction rates in sexual assault trials is not simple. Really serious increases in resources for timely collection of evidence, for police training and specialist units, for medical services, for victim support, all have a part to play. But that needs a lot of money and thought. Just abolishing juries and telling judges you want them to convict is of course free, or even a saving.

The right to have the facts judged in serious crime allegations by a jury of our peers is a glory of our civilisation. It is the product of millennia, not lightly to be thrown away and replaced by a huge increase in arbitrary state power. That movement is of course fueled by current fashionable political dogma which is that the victim must always be believed. That claim has morphed from an initial meaning that police and first responders must take accusations seriously, to a dogma that accusation is proof and it is wrong to even question the evidence, which is of course to deny the very possibility of false accusation.

That is precisely the position which Nicola Sturgeon has taken over the Alex Salmond trial; to be accused is to be guilty, irrespective of the defence evidence. That people are oblivious to the dangers of the dogma that there should be no defence against sexual assault allegations, is to me deeply worrying. Sexual allegation is the most common method that states have used to attack dissidents for centuries, worldwide and again especially in authoritarian regimes. Closer to home, think of history stretching from Roger Casement to Assange and Salmond.

Why would we remove the only barrier – a jury of ordinary citizens – that can stop abuse of state power?

I am worried that this abolition of juries will have been enacted by the Scottish Parliament, even before I am out of jail. I am worried Labour and the Lib Dems will support it out of fashionable political correctness. I am worried an important liberty will disappear.

I want to touch on one other aspect of liberty in my own imprisonment that appears not understood, or perhaps simply neglected, because somehow the very notion of liberty is slipping from our political culture. One point that features plainly in the troll talking points to be used against me, recurring continually on social media, is that I was ordered to take down material from my blog and refused.

There is an extremely important point here. I have always instantly complied with any order of a court to remove material. What I have not done is comply with instructions from the Crown or Procurator Fiscal to remove material. Because it is over 330 years since the Crown had the right of censorship in Scotland without the intervention of a judge.

It sickens me that so many Scottish Government backed trolls are tweeting out that I should have obeyed the instructions of the Crown. That Scotland has a governing party which actively supports the right of the Crown to exercise unrestrained censorship is extremely worrying, and I think a sign both of the lack of respect in modern political culture for liberties which were won by people being tortured to death, and of the sheer intellectual paucity of the current governing class.

But then we now learn that Scotland has a government which was prepared not only to be complicit in exempting the Crown from climate change legislation, but also complicit in hushing up the secret arrangement, so I am not surprised.

What is even more terrifying in my case is that the Court explicitly states that I should have followed the directions of the Crown Office in what I did and did not publish, and my failure to not publish as the Crown ordered is an aggravating factor in my sentencing.

If the Crown thinks something I write is in contempt and I think it is not, the Crown and I should stand as equals in court and argue our cases. There should be no presumption I ought to have obeyed the Crown in the first place. That Scottish “justice” has lost sight of this is disastrous, though perhaps as much from stupidity as malice.

My next thought on my trial is to emphasise again the dreadful doctrine Lady Dorrian has now enshrined in law, that bloggers should be held to a different (by implication higher) standard in law than the mainstream media (the judgement uses exactly those terms), because the mainstream media is self-regulated.

This doctrine is used to justify jailing me when mainstream media journalists have not been jailed for media contempt for over half a century, and also to explain why I have been prosecuted where the mainstream media, who were provably responsible for far more jigsaw identification, were not prosecuted.

This is dreadful law, and my entire legal team are frankly astonished that the Supreme Court refused to hear an appeal on this point. This excellent article by Jonathan Cook explains further the chilling implications.

Those articles which the Court ordered me to take down, have been taken down. But I was not ordered to take down this one, which was found not to be in contempt of court. I was also not ordered to take down my affidavits, which though slightly redacted are still extremely valuable. I swore to the truth of every word and I stick by that. At the time I published these, far less was known about the Salmond affair than is known now, and I believe you will find it well worth reading them again in the light of your current state of wider knowledge – absolutely nothing to do with learning identities, but to do with what really happened on the whole plot to destroy Alex Salmond (something the judgement states I am allowed to say).

Finally I urge you to consider this truly remarkable speech from Kenny MacAskill MP. Scotland’s former Justice Secretary, and consider its quite staggering implications. It tells you everything you want to know about the British Establishment’s capture of the Scottish government, that the mainstream media felt no need to report the main points he was making, which constitute a simply astonishing outline of corrupt abuse of power.

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  • nevermind

    Yesterday, on the 05.10.2021 the right to protest and free speech died under the hands of a visceral home secretary. This date will be seen in future as the start of the datk state, the moment England’s people went back to serfdom/ began to organise in new ways they never imagined.

  • Jon Cofy

    There are some things that are heavily suppressed on the internet

    “Mothers of Sons is a group of ordinary women whose sons have faced extraordinary ordeals in our unjust, anti-male legal systems and workplaces”

    Alex Salmond is but one example of this process.

    Craig Murray is a victim of this process based on his determination to report the facts.

    It’s about time that the subversion of judicial process that began in the 1990’s is acknowledged

  • Jon Cofy

    Craig Murray’s 1st birthday in jail is on 17 October

    A party is being organised by the Craig Murray Justice Campaign

    “Whether you’re partying in person at the prison or joining the global Zoom party, there’s something you can do to celebrate Craig’s birthday!

    Secondly, you can join us to sing Happy Birthday to Craig, outside HMP Edinburgh. We’ll bring a piper, you bring your party hat!

    And finally, wherever you are in the world, you can join Craig’s online birthday party, with music and tributes to Craig from his friends and allies”

    There’s a big difference between “Justice” and “Freedom”

  • Jon Cofy

    I vaguely recall that it was reported that

    After Alex Salmond was found not guilty, Craig Murray instructed lawyers to apply to Clerk Dorian to lift the order preventing the publication of the names and identities, and any information likely to disclose the identity of the complainers in the Alex Salmond as a matter of public interest

    Can anyone confirm this?

    • Clark

      It is in Craig’s first sworn affidavit:

      111. As the accusers continued their public campaign against the verdict of the court, and continued their conspiracy after the verdict to destroy Alex Salmond politically from behind the screen of court enforced anonymity, I decided the time had now come to put before a court the question of whether that anonymity should be upheld even in these extreme and unique circumstances. The public interest in knowing that it was those in positions of great power in the Scottish Government who had colluded against Alex Salmond might well outweigh the general public interest in anonymity for complainers of sexual abuse.

      112. On 31 March 2020, I therefore contacted my solicitor to find a QC to draw up a petition to court for the court to decide. We received a draft application from Craig Sandison QC on 15 April 2020, funded at my own expense. I was considering how to proceed, particularly in the light of Covid lockdown, when I was astonished to find myself charged with contempt of court a week or so later.

      113. On 23 April 2020, two policemen came to my door and left on the doorstep a letter which, when I opened it a day later (early Covid precaution!), was from the Crown Office telling me I was charged with contempt of court.

      114. Remarkably, within minutes of the police arriving, I received an email from Kieran Andrews of the Times newspaper, stating that

      « The Crown Office has confirmed that it has started contempt of court proceedings against you in relation to the Alex Salmond trial. Would you like to comment? «

      We are not children. This is plainly a polite lie. Mr Andrews had not telephoned the Crown office that day and asked « I say, did you happen to charge Craig Murray with anything today ? ». What had happened was that the Crown Office, in keeping with its highly politicised and corrupt behaviour through all of the events which I have here recounted, had phoned a reliably anti-Salmond journalist and tipped him off about the charges against me. I believe that the Crown Office is deeply corrupt.

  • Clark

    Re: Tom Welsh, October 6, 19:13 (previous page) – The “case” against environmental lawyer Steven Donziger indeed seems very similar to the “cases” against both Craig and Julian Assange:

    – “I’ve Been Targeted With Probably the Most Vicious Corporate Counterattack in American History”:

    But for Donziger, that was nowhere near the end. Chevron, a $260 billion company, went to a New York federal court to sue him under a lesser-known civil—non-criminal—provision of the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. They later dropped their demands for financial damages because it would have necessitated a jury trial. That is something Donziger has been unable to get. Instead, Judge Lewis A. Kaplan, a former corporate lawyer whose clients included tobacco companies, became Donziger’s judge-and-jury in the RICO case. He heard from 31 witnesses, but based his ruling in significant part on the testimony of Albert Guerra, a former Ecuadorian judge whom Chevron relocated to the U.S. at an overall cost of $2 million. Guerra alleged there was a bribe involved in the Ecuadorian court’s judgement against Chevron. He has since retracted some of his testimony, admitting it was false […].

    – But Kaplan, who refused to look at the scientific evidence in the original case, ruled the initial verdict was the result of fraud. And he didn’t stop there. He ordered Donziger to pay millions in attorneys fees to Chevron and eventually ordered him to turn over decades of client communications, even going after his phone and computer. Donziger considered this a threat to attorney-client privilege and appealed the ruling, but while that appeal was pending, Kaplan slapped him with a contempt of court charge for refusing to give up the devices. When the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York declined to prosecute the case, Kaplan took the extraordinary step of appointing a private law firm to prosecute Donziger in the name of the U.S. government. The firm, Seward & Kissel, has had a number of oil-and-gas clients, including, in 2018… Chevron. Kaplan bypassed the usual random case-assignment procedure of the federal judiciary and handpicked a judge to hear the contempt case: Loretta Preska, a member of the Federalist Society, among whose major donors is… Chevron. Preska has, like Kaplan, rejected Donziger’s requests to have his trial heard by a jury of his peers. Both judges declined Esquire’s request for comment on Donziger’s cases, citing court policy.

    The struggles for truth, for peace and for the environment are all the same struggle.

    Truth, Justice, Peace.

    The link to the Esquire article was removed from Wikipedia by an editor calling itself “Neutrality”. However, such editors rarely have Wikipedia privileges sufficient to remove their actions from Wikipedia’s History; it can be worthwhile to examine their Contributions to see what else they have removed:

  • Republicofscotland

    The lying witness against Assange, Sigurdur “Siggi” Thordarson, has been arrested and is being held in a top security prison in Iceland. Will he be Jeffery Epstein-ed to shut him up?

  • Goose

    Journalists Maria Ressa and Dmitry Muratov have been named winners of the Nobel Peace Prize for their efforts to promote freedom of expression in their respective countries.

    Looks like another highly politicised decision. Is nothing sacred?

    A far braver decision would’ve obviously been to recognise the efforts of Julian Assange and Craig Murray. Such an award could’ve strengthened Assange’s position considerably. As if recent revelations of assassination plots and the arrest, in Iceland, of the key witness for the prosecution, weren’t grounds enough already, to end his senseless, seemingly indefinite incarceration.

    Needless to say, the hypocrisy of western media applauding this Nobel decision while these good men sit in jail is utterly outrageous.

  • nevermind

    Much thanks to Clark and Brian for the links.
    Donzigers case seem to show a possible corrupt relationship between the US judges, their possible vested interests in Chevrons performances.

    whilst Craig’s case is between a corrupted, far too close relationship of politicians to their legal advisors.
    Both courts use the contempt of court charge, without corraboration, existing presedences or any tests applied to the validity of their reasoning.
    Yesterdays rebuke from the supreme court with regards to Scotland democratic controls and reforms is indicative of Westminsters plans to obstruct any of Scotlands options at self determination, to stop it being able to sustain its economic needs with Europe, i.e. the two port developments, a serious and urgent matter for a country that voted to Remain, not to speak of siphoning off Scotlands assets, re wiski,gas and oil.

  • Republicofscotland

    This shows us just how political the Nobel Peace Prize has become, when the likes of renowned journalist Craig Murray and Julian Assange languish in prisons, both men ill, for upholding real journalism, and telling the truth.

    “Journalists Maria Ressa and Dmitry Muratov have won the Nobel Peace Prize for their fights to defend freedom of expression in the Philippines and Russia.”

    Of course the Nobel Peace Prize, was politicised years ago, when the likes of Henry Kissinger and Barack Obama both received it.

    Assange and Murray should be freed immediately and given a Nobel prize for groundbreaking journalism in a ceremony in Stockholm Sweden, though I wouldn’t be surprised if Julian Assange refused to go to Sweden, after the machinations of its prosecution services.

    • Ian

      The injustice done to Craig and Julian doesn’t actually mean that the two recipients didn’t deserve the prize. They too have fought, with real threats to their lives, the authorities in their countries, at considerable risk to themselves. Read about them if you don’t know, but don’t denigrate their courage with your whataboutery.

      • Johny Conspiranoid

        If they are all of that why are they happy to be associated with this parade of murderers? The whataboutery helps us to assess what they are really about.

        • Clark

          “If they are all of that why are they happy to be associated with this parade of murderers?”

          Possibly because they don’t understand the politicisation of the prize. Possibly because the significance of the prize was not something they ever had time to look into. Possibly because, after long struggle to be heard, they seized the exposure before they had time to fully assess.

          “The whataboutery helps us to assess what they are really about.”

          No, it helps us to assess the prize, and the media that promote it, and why those media promote some over others. Only those journalists themselves can know what they are really about.

          Such guilt by association is the flip side of attempts to denigrate others by highlighting that they appeared on Russia Today, or even on the Alex Jones’ show. Journalists denied media access by the establishment they expose constantly face this dilemma; whether to be heard or to risk being smeared.

          • Johny Conspiranoid

            I wouldn’t agree with guilt by association but I think there is such a thing as reasonable suspicion by association.

            “– The whataboutery helps us to assess what they are really about.”

            No, it helps us to assess the prize, and the media that promote it, and why those media promote some over others.”

            Having assesed the prize and the media we can proceed to asses those who are associated with them.

            “Only those journalists themselves can know what they are really about.”

            but the rest of us might want to guess and that guess should be informed by our knowledge of the things they are associated with.
            So I have no objection to anyone pointing out that Alex Salmond appears on RT. It doesn’t work as denigration because they fail to point out what is wrong with RT that you should be suspicious of it. If they could I might be suspicious. The Alex Jones show I have my doubts about and anyone on it.

          • Clark

            We should always apply scepticism, and association may help us to direct our scepticism. But claims must be judged on their merits and failing, judging against facts, lest we be misled by mere ad-hominem. “The greatest liar in the world can tell us that the sun is rising, but that does not mean that it isn’t”.

      • Republicofscotland


        Show me where in my comment I denigrated the recipients?

        Of course it comes as no surprise that Russian journalism is on the radar, as are all things Russian by the West. We’ll never see the the likes of Daniel Hale, Edward Snowden or Chelsea Manning, or even John Pilger, win a Nobel Prize. It’s akin to the ICC always trying and convicting warcrimes from Africa or anywhere but the West, especially the US and UK. It just doesn’t happen.

    • Stevie Boy

      Maybe more accurate to rename this particular Nobel prize as the US/CIA sponsored dissent prize ? These people may have put their lives at risk but the cause they support is suspect because of the obvious political slant. The whole show stinks of hypocrisy.

    • frankywiggles

      The committee clearly rates peace with Russia very highly. Surprising in that case they have still to reward all the peacemaking efforts of two of our own bravest journos, Luke Harding and Carol Cadwalladr. Maybe next year.

        • frankywiggles

          I am. They’re a pair of security state-Integrity Initiative propagandists, peddling lies in order to poison international relations. But among the types who bestow these prizes they are two of the most highly respected journalists in the business.

          • Clark

            “They’re a pair of security state-Integrity Initiative propagandists, peddling lies in order to poison international relations”

            Oh dear, here we go again. See above.

            Cadwalladr’s work on Cambridge Analytica and SCL seemed informed and conscientious; maybe that is why the Integrity Initiative sucked her in; it would certainly discourage any further whistleblowers from contacting her, and encourage suspicion about her work – “There. Neutralised.” Harding’s lamentable output seems essentially naive and emotive, his occasional references to “facts” typically attributed to anonymous security service sources.

          • Clark

            The thing about propaganda is that it has to reveal real things from time to time or it loses credibility.

            So always consider the system over and above the individuals. Macrocosm dominates microcosm.

          • frankywiggles

            It’s not ad hominin but observable fact. For years both have been peddling unsubstantiated claims about Russian responsibility for Brexit and Trump. They have been two of the key actors in a Guardian-MoD disinformation initiative to blacken Russia in the minds of British liberals. I find it amazing how resistant some of Craig’s readers still are to his constant exposure of these propagandists.

          • Clark

            Franky, I wouldn’t know as I don’t read the Guardian unless someone links there. But I did read some of Cadwalladr’s articles about Cambridge Analytica; a commercial company specialising in psychological manipulation of voters through personalised Facebook advertising campaigns, optimised by algorithmic psychological profiling of Facebook users’ online behaviour. This looked like conscientious journalism to me, based on the testimony of a whistleblower who had worked within Facebook.

            As you said, this insidious method was used to promote a Leave result in the UK EU referendum, and Trump’s initial election victory. But I don’t understand why you describe this as “Russian responsibility” because, if I remember rightly, Cadwalladr reported Cambridge Analytica to be a US-UK company based upon the British company SCL, a frankly sinister private-sector election-influencing outfit formed by retired senior UK military officers – very clearly election interference with British roots rather than Russian.

            I suppose you could be lumping in the above with reporting I’m unaware of, but it would seem incongruous, if Cadwalladr were a long-term anti-Russia propagandist, for her to suddenly but temporarily switch onto exposing British election interference, so I’m somewhat confused. Since you seem more familiar with Cadwalladr’s journalism than I am, was Cadwalladr unfairly anti-Russian before her Cambridge Analytica / SCL story, or does it look more likely that influence has been applied to her since then? Please take into account that there is fair as well as unfair criticism of Russian parties, and that no one, not even journalists, are impervious to the propaganda environment in which we are all immersed.

            If, in citing examples, you wish to avoid posting links to the Guardian which would also inadvertently promote it, this service provides a convenient method:


          • Clark

            Franky, the following article may provide useful background:

            How the UK Security Services neutralised the country’s leading liberal newspaper
            By Matt Kennard and Mark Curtis, 11 September 2019


            Both propaganda and revealing hidden influence are ongoing processes; I distrust any simplistic “goodies versus baddies” interpretation, because that is a key element of propaganda itself.

          • Jimmy Riddle

            Clark – Many thanks for the Consortium News link. This article, about D-notices and about taming `The Guardian’ explains an awful lot.

            I now begin to understand how Lady Dorrian could make a distinction in her judgement between journalists working for a `respectable’ newspaper and journalists who used alternative methods of publication.

            Clearly this is already well understood in government and legal circles – the only thing that Lady Dorrian failed to appreciate is that officially it’s actually supposed to be a secret.

            A very informative article!

          • frankywiggles

            Clark posts that Matt Kennard article as if he disapproves of MoD/Integrity Initiative propagandists like Carole Cadwalladr.

            Do you get the impression he disapproves of her, Jimmy?

          • Clark

            Frankywiggles, engage with arguments rather than commenters please; it’s a moderation rule 🙂

            Or should I start hinting that you’re a shill for private election interference companies launched by retired spooks?

          • Clark

            Frankywiggles, a brief explanation. When I first saw Craig’s moderation rule to “engage with arguments rather than commenters” I found it so sensible that I decided to apply it more generally. Therefore I engaged with Cadwalladr’s claims, the evidence they are based upon, and the findings of further investigation they led to, rather than trying to classify Cadwalladr personally as either propagandist or not.

          • DunGroanin

            Agree with Franky.

            The Cidswallop straw woman played the convenient ‘liberal’ patsy Judy for the Fartage Punch.
            The SCL revelations had appeared elsewhere first.
            The rest of the ‘whistleblower’ testimony was carefully shifted through and allowed FB and their liberal British capo – Clegg to cover up their role in the referendum and general elections – the ZuckerBorg allowed to not have a proper appearance before the various powers.

            Her function was to play the liberal left PC personae which was used to con many a red Waller to drink from the poison chalice of BrexShit who were told that such liberals hated the working classes and were only interested in their own European easy living.

            Carol can easily be judged by what she has written/said about Assange and Craig Murray and Salmond and the SNP conspirators – and of course integrity initiative, NOTHING.

            Crocodile tears and limited hangout doesn’t count.
            She was a young operative in the Yeltsin era Russia sent to colonise it – they have not got over their failure.
            Her regular summer ‘journalism camps’ are the jamboree of these little scouts.
            Why give her the time of the day whilst she daily hides behind her DS groaniad woke persona?

          • Clark

            DunGroanin, fair enough; I didn’t know all that because the only work of Cadwalladr that I had read were a couple of her early Cambridge Analytica articles.

            Nevertheless, it confirms my point. Had frankywiggles criticised Cadwalladr’s articles, preferably with facts and links, rather than Cadwalladr herself, I would have learned about the other matters you’ve mentioned. I had no idea that the SCL revelations had appeared elsewhere first, let alone anything about her “woke persona”. Frankywiggles assumed that all readers would already know what he knew himself; consequently, I applied scepticism.

            I know it’s a lot to ask people to impart information rather than opinion – people seem subconsciously to follow the appalling example set by the corporate media – but for the sake of all readers, current and future visitors to this thread, would you please fill in some appropriate links? Please remember to prefix any links to with “dump”, to deprive them of advertising revenue 🙂

        • frankywiggles

          “As you said, this insidious method was used to promote a Leave result in the UK EU referendum, and Trump’s initial election victory”.

          I said no such thing; and those claims were thoroughly demolished last year in a report by the UK Information Commissioner’s Office. (A report Carole Cadwalladr and her whistleblower predicted would validate their whole Cambridge Analytica “Trump=Brexit=Russia” conspiracy).

          I doubt you’ll accept it, given your rationalisation of her membership of the fanatically anti-Russian propaganda outfit the Integrity Initiative, but Cadawalladr was a Russia-obsessed Cold Warrior long before her Russia-blackening Cambridge Analytica stories. Shevis still pushing her her “Trump=Brexit=Russia” conspiracy as we approach the year 2022, despite a continuing lack of evidence. In fact Boris Johnson has also lately been pegged by Carole as a “Russian asset”.

          Naturally the demolition of her Cambridge Analytica stories has inflicted zero reputational damage. She continues to be revered as one of the brightest stars of western journalism, like her stablemate Luke Harding, and no doubt always will be.

          • Clark

            Of course I’ll accept it, if I see evidence. I’m going by memory here; maybe I do remember Cadwalladr making brief, vague references to “Russians” but only as an aside and only in a minority of her articles, and that I found these references incongruous because the part of her story based on insider testimony was about SCL with British military connections that had been deployed to influence elections, in Africa and maybe elsewhere I think, and how Cambridge Analytica grew as a transatlantic partnership between SCL and Bannon. I definitely remember being surprised when I saw her name on the list of journalists connected with Integrity Initiative.

            Thanks for the links. In particular I shall read the ICO report carefully. I’m already expecting a “damage limitation” exercise, because whether or not these “known Russian agents” came to feature significantly or be more clearly identified, and whether or not Cadwalladr’s work was anti-Russian before, the Cambridge Analytica articles exposed psychological election meddling by British and US private-sector spook outfits – in my opinion, private-sector spook agencies should be illegal. At the time, the plethora of “Russian meddling” coverage seemed to me hypocritical, since Cambridge Analytica / SCL were so clearly US/UK outfits.

            Nothing is ever simple when spooks intersect with propaganda, and we never get all the facts.

          • Clark

            Franky, OK, so far I’ve only briefly scanned some of your first link and the first part of the ICO letter, but far from demolishing Cadwalladr’s original articles they find that data abuse and micro-targeting are actually far more widespread, indeed commonplace, ie. Cadwalladr found the tip of an iceberg. It does appear that the ICO found the Russian connection to be overstated, but that this wasn’t their field and they passed it onto crime prevention authorities for further investigation. Various organisations were fined for data abuse, two of them pro-Brexit organisations.

            Russian connections wouldn’t surprise me, but note that “Russian” isn’t synonymous with “Kremlin”. Anyone rich and powerful seems capable and likely to be meddling in anyone’s elections; weren’t the Conservative party found to have accepted a lot of Russian oligarch money for their election campaign?

            This is about the mega-wealthy having undue influence over the opinions of the rest of us. So maybe democracy is hopelessly fucked and it’s time for sortition.

          • frankywiggles

            I tell you what Clark, the people I take most seriously as believers in democracy are those who strain to discredit and overturn referendum results they don’t like. They are to democracy what handpicked Integrity Initiative propagandists are to honest reporting.

          • Clark

            Frankywiggles, ah, I think I understand now; you’re stridently anti-EU are you?

            The UK EU referendum was a shambles, because neither outcome had a plan; ‘Remain’ needed no plan and ‘Leave’ didn’t have one. It was basically Cameron’s publicity stunt to silence the anti-EU wing of his own party, but it backfired. Now the people of the UK face the consequences, as we head into winter with no gas storage (thank you Labour and Tories) and, for the first time, no guarantees of energy support from the European mainland. A long cold spell and things could get very tough indeed. A simple referendum was the worst way to handle UK membership of the EU; there needed to be a process whereby ‘Leave’ was defined.

            Cadwalladr’s Guardian article from the Twitter link you posted is sadly misguided; as you have said, she indeed seems obsessed with ‘Russia’. Nick Matthews further down her Twitter thread shows far more sense:

            “Excellent work but the big tech platforms are US owned. The Russian, British and American people are all the victims of this global oligarchy.”

          • Clark

            As for UK ‘democracy’; it has been dysfunctional since long before the EU referendum. And democracy can’t possibly work without proper news media.

            But tell you what, instead of scrutinising structural failings, let’s all just take one of two sides and have a big punch up, eh? That’s sure to fix everything.

          • frankywiggles

            Ah yes, you’re all for proper news media now as well as democracy. Again, very convincing after scorning the independent reporting of the Grayzone in order to fiercely defend the Integrity Initiative’s finest.

          • Clark

            So that’s “everything is either black or white” and yes to a ‘democratic’ punch-up, I take it? (sigh)

            Show me where I “scorned” Alex Rubinstein’s article.

  • Republicofscotland

    On the Nobel Prize winners its interesting to to note that the Kremlin congratulated the Russian recipient on winning the award, one wonders if the Whitehouse or Ten Downing street would do the same if Craig Murray, or Julian Assange won the awards for investigative journalism, but then again both are in prison for doing so.

    The TelegraphKremlin congratulates ‘talented’ journalist on Nobel Peace Prize for exposing crimes of Putin regime (8 Oct 2021)

      • Stevie Boy

        Michael, I would suggest your basic assumption is flawed. You assume the Nobel committee is unbiased and just pick from those nominated. Unfortunately, the evidence shows that the problems lie deeper and the Nobel committee itself is probably tainted by corruption.

      • Courtenay Barnett


        Based on the criteria of speaking truth to power, being ostrasised and ultimately being imprisoned – relative to the two journalists who were just awarded the Nobel Prize – I believe that Craig Murray would be an excellent candidate.

  • Twirlip

    (Hat tip to Raskolnikov in The Lifeboat News.)
    Chris Hedges, “The Anonymous Executioners of the Corporate State” [Wed 6 Oct 2021]

    “The courts in all tyrannies are dominated by mediocrities and buffoons. They make up for their intellectual and moral vacuity with a zealous subservience to power. They turn courtroom trials into opera buffa, at least until the victim is shackled and pushed out the door to a prison cell. They fulminate in caustic tirades at the condemned, whose sentence is never in doubt and whose guilt is never in question.”

        • On the train

          I have been trying to get a card to Craig each week, but my most recent has just been returned…no reason given. I had got the address correct and the postage was right. Does anyone here know why this would be ?

          • Twirlip

            His address changed recently – could that be it?


            “We’ve just been informed that Craig has moved cells. If you want to write to him, the new address is:

            157095 C Murray
            H M Prison Edinburgh
            33 Stenhouse Road
            EH11 3LN

            Thanks for all the letters and emails so far!


            (BTW It looks as if people are posting comments by using the “Reply” button on the most recently posted comment, rather than scrolling up to the top of the page. It’s a pity there isn’t a button at the bottom of the page.)

        • Jimmy Riddle

          JeremyT – thanks for this, but I don’t really understand Craig’s answer to his own question – *why* can’t he go back and reclaim Switzerland? Seems like a good idea to me.

          Actually, Switzerland might be a good place for him to move to after he gets out of prison. He could state the truth about matters pertaining to Scotland without risking imprisonment for the crime of doing very good journalism.

          Perhaps he could return to Poland, where the judiciary is clearly corrupt – but not as corrupt as Scotland.

  • Pooh

    October 13, 2021 at 11:18

    “(BTW It looks as if people are posting comments by using the “Reply” button on the most recently posted comment, rather than scrolling up to the top of the page. It’s a pity there isn’t a button at the bottom of the page.)”

    I concur.

    • Tony_0pmoc

      Pooh, After posting here from 2009, well until occasionally fairly recently ( a few of my posts got through),,,,

      Things have seemed to have got not so good here recently…

      And yet many times here since 2009, the comments have been absolutely Brilliant

      But now not so good.

      Clark My Former Sparring Partner – Used to be The Morderator Here on the inside – one of Craig’s Mates…

      Is talking to himself…or disectting litle bits of the meanings of what some people said….

      I know I can be as boring as shit, but you can’t blame me, cos it seems I am banned from posting here most of the time.

      The reason that this blog has gone to shit is because Craig Murray is not writing here.

      I miss him. I hope he is O.K.

      In Jail?????

      I might disagree with some of his political views

      But he has not done anything wrong.

      I know the world has gone mad…

      But Jailing Craig Murray is Really Taking The Piss

      When are they going to let him out, or at least write articles on his blog from his jail cell…

      Can I text him, in his jail cell???

      He will know its me, though I have never met him or phoned him up. I have too much respect.

      I will quite happily jam on here with words with anyone…if whoever the moderator is here allows me to write, so that it actually appears…

      What is the problem with talking if you have different views?

      Surely that is the way to resolve problems and hopefull stop fighting and being divided, by the shit that has been programmed into our brains


      • Twirlip

        “I know the world has gone mad…

        But Jailing Craig Murray is Really Taking The Piss”

        Someone should put that on a placard. 🙂

      • Giyane


        Hi. I see that something looks like the old Alien with big teeth and Weeny Segoura is appearing on LED advertising signs. Looked at from the point of view of the Alien the only purpose of its contact with human beings is to impregnate them with Alien kind.

        Tory Unionists have effectively destroyed Alex Salmond’s vision of Scottish Independence and impregnated the SNP with their big dream of venture capitalism, using the Scottish Independence slogan.

        The Alien of corporate capitalism is a dangerous beast and the best thing to do is to keep a low profile , while the Aliens have Craig inside. Anyway your comment has been allowed.

      • mark golding

        When are they going to let him out, indeed Tony. And tomorrow (Sunday) a champion of freedom, one who demanded change from the state of perpetual war that our governments keep us in, exposing the shrinking of our public spaces and civil liberties and the perpetual expansion of the national security state, is, alone on his 68th birthday, isolated, separated from his children, parted from the interminable love that has cherished and sustained him for time.

        Actually Craig is a champion, a paragon of prominance, willing to risk the full weight of the state crashing down upon his head while the rest of us remain relatively unscathed, touched only by the fact that those with an iota of power as go-betweens might suppress a word, a voice, important issues and palpable advice.

      • Clark

        Hiya Tony. Yeah, it’s a bit quiet on here without Craig around.

        Hey, it was Craig’s arguments that changed my attitude. He always finds and highlights the critical detail that the establishment all somehow fail to mention, so these days I’m a stickler for details. And he always gives credit when due, even to those who oppose him, and vice versa, so I take his moderation rule “tackle the arguments not the person” very seriously.

        Craig’s a clever bloke, and so’s Assange. If they lock up all the clever ones we’ll be left with nothing but stupid.

  • Republicofscotland

    Its time to cancel your Netflix subscription, hit them where it hurts in the pocket.

    “Netflix will begin streaming a brazen hatchet job on Julian Assange and WikiLeaks for its American subscribers on October 24th, just three days prior to a significant court date in Assange’s fight against extradition from the UK to the United States on October 27th.”

    • T

      It is an old smear job from 2013: “We Steal Secrets” by liberal filmmaker Alex Gibney. On first release Wikileaks issued a comprehensive, line-by-line refutation of the propaganda.

      They pointed out that even the film’s title is highly misleading. It is from a statement made by former CIA director Michael Hayden in relation to the activities of US govt spies, not in relation to Wikileaks. “…Not even critics in the film say that Wikileaks steal secrets.”

    • Giyane


      Do you remember the false flag terror raid at Jameah Islameah with dozens of blue flashing lights in the East Sussex countryside? A raid which eventually gave credibility to May’s illegal extradion of Abu Hamza to one of these evil US jails with facilities for human survival.

      Prior to that the imam had been letting the police use his private land as a training ground. The trap was set and the hype was well over the top by any standards.

      The question is, how far are British imams and British politicians prepared to climb up the rectum of US imperialism to get brownie points?

  • Tatyana

    Haaaallooooeeewww! 🙂
    Have you folks kept freedom alive today yet?
    I’ve got exciting news today! I got Covid! And, I survived it !!! That was an extremely worrying and entirely new experience. Ah, congratulate me please on having it over!

    • Tom Welsh

      Good for you, Tatyana! I am sure we are all delighted that you are well.

      As a matter of interest, how can you be sure it was Covid? (That is a serious question).

      • michael norton

        Hello Tatyana, sorry to hear you have contracted covid, about one in seven of U.K. people now have or have had covid, it is rife.
        best wishes Michael

    • DunGroanin

      Were you Sputniked?
      Trying to find data on efficacy on all the vaccines is almost impossible here.

      I had Covid early 2020 – it wasn’t like any cold or even bad flu I have had through the years and it took a good six weeks for most of the after effects to disappear – I am fairly certain there are some long term effects still coursing through my body 18 months later!

      Glad you are recovered and ready to celebrate our Ambassador to Her Majesties Prison a hearty birthday tomorrow.

    • Tatyana

      Ah, I got Sputnik vaccine back in April and I was supposed to be immune for 6 month. So, I decided to get a new dose in October and I went through the annual medical check ‘dispanserisation’ they call it here in Russia.
      I guess it was there in the clinic that I caught Covid.
      Well, I felt I’m freezing in my workshop, so I went home earlier then usual. It was getting colder and colder in my house, so I guessed to use a thermometer. All Saturday and Sunday I had 39.5 Celsius fever and not a single cough or wet nose – nothing at all. On Monday I visited clinics, they are in the next building and have special department for virus-like patients.
      The doctor said it is virus, they forvarded me to X-ray and on getting the snapshot of my lungs they forwarded me to Covid center for computer tomography. It showed 17% ‘matted glass’ lungs damage. So they knew it’s Covid before the test was ready. By the way, the test result appeared negative, no virus DNA found.
      Ok, they prescribed antibiotics, immunity modulators, vitamins and handed me some strange medicine that makes blood ‘more liquid’, to avoid fibrosis.
      The next day on Levofloxacin I had my temperature nearly normal and just returned to my daily routine.
      No other symptoms except for high temperature for 3 days I had.
      Now I’ve finished my pills and I had a notification in our state’s digital service that I had Covid, I’m now immune for another 6 month and I have a QR code to show in case of going abroad or something like that.
      On Monday I’m visiting the doctor for the final test and maybe they advise some new appointments for rehabilitation.
      That was so scary, though I’m happy it was in a very moderate form. Give me Covid any day, I prefer it to my common spring/autumn bronchitis, which is absolutely drastic illness.
      I feel quite well and happy and full of energy. And I wish you all stay safe and please take care and wear your mask and wash hands.

      • DunGroanin

        Thanks for that T. If there are any published studies in Russia about the different vaccines / efficacy / safety/ unvaccinated and previously infected, and how they are responding to the current strains of CoV2 , would you kindly put a link up please.

    • Clark

      Tatyana, good to see you and congratulations on your mild dose and swift recovery. I expect it was your Sputnik vaccine that kept your symptoms mild and helped you recover quickly. None of the vaccines seem to stop people getting infected, but the hospital admission and mortality figures clearly show that they do reduce the severity.

      • Tatyana

        Thank you Clark. My thoughts are the same, I believe I had some more alerted immunity cells in me after the vaccine. Nobody said vaccine would prevent the contagion, they always said we may have more chance to survive easier.
        Oh, I panicked when I knew! I really have a dangerous job, much dust and polishing fibers in the air around me, fine steel wool dust, and I burn sulphur+potassium for the oxidation and this makes very dangerous gas, which turns into sulphuric acid mixed with the vapor in the air, or, inside of me if inhaled! It can literally make holes in my lungs if I forget the respirator.
        So, well, I panicked, I didn’t know how will I do with this virus. I even thought it’s time to prepare my last will and distribute my property 🙂
        The doctor said perhaps it’s because I was close to the end my 6 month immunization time, that’s why I got it in that form. If it were in the beginning, most probably I would not even notice any symptoms.

        • nevermind

          Great to hear you are back among the living and that Sputnik works as well as the other vaccines on offer in the world.
          Your job seems to require a direct fresh air fed mask, rather than filtering polluted air. I hope that you are now over it.
          Our family also suffered from it, one after the other, thanks to a visit from relatives who did not know they had it until it was too late, they were already in our house.
          But we are all over it now after a 10 day enforced home isolation, we suffered two nights of sweat, raised temperature but are now slowly regaining our energy.
          Just in time for COP26… the dirtiest squid game ever.

  • Jm

    Gore Vidal called the Nobel Prize Committee “those master ironists of Northern Europe” after they awarded Kissinger the Peace Prize in 1973.

    The fix is always in.


  • mark golding


    “If you have to be persuaded, reminded, pressured, lied to, incentivized, coerced, bullied, socially shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, punished and criminalized … If all of this is considered necessary to gain your compliance — you can be absolutely certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest.”

    Highlights from long-serving civil liberties defender David Davis MP speech during Big Brother Watch’s event during Conservative party conference 2021:

  • pete

    I continue to visit this site to read the comments as well as Craig’s Twitter feed that lets me know how many days he is in prison and the Craig Murray justice site that focuses on the legal aspects of freedom of expression. I hope people will find time to read the contribution yesterday from Mohamed A. Elmaazi regarding Craig’s case and the situation for independent voices in the media, see:
    Which highlights the precarious state of independent journalists.

  • michael norton

    As Craig is now over 60 and as he is of poor health and as he was a white collar worker, non violent, as covid is rife in his hold, there ought to be reasonable grounds for his briefs to request the release of Craig.

    • mark

      I have no doubt whatsoever that Craig will be back within the moment when he has done his alleged ‘ penance ‘

      Meanwhile things move on and no doubt yet again Craig will make his thoughts known to all.

      The only reason he is in the situation he finds himself in to coin a phrase is because he is an arch defender of Julian Assange.

      That is all and explains everything.

      So far as far as we know the Yanks don’t have a form of words to attempt to prosecute Julian apart from the Espionage Act despite Julian being an Australian and not a US Citizen.

      Boris is of US birth and Obama is NOT (according to the former) an American citizen and Joe knows this and despises Johnson hence no US Trade Deal.

      If you remember the US sit com called Soap you will be confused – meanwhile there are no comments on the Guardian or the Independent re: David Amess and the BBC re- jigged their schedules last night to remove Have I got News for You.

      Too late for the latest story but no criticism of the Tories can be allowed.

  • Pooh

    A very happy birthday to you, Mr Murray!

    Life is a tightrope. so keep your balance. Regard the moon, it hangs above the lawn. Regard the lawn, it lies beneath the moon. ()



  • nevermind

    Having family around for the day and we shall take a toast to honor your birthday today. Have sent you a little video yesterday, unfortunately I can’t report the first Canary win this season, despite them having the better chances and running rings around the Seagulls from Brighton in the second half.
    Happy birthday from Norfolk Craig,

    • BrianFujisan

      Great to hear you are all better Nevermind…
      And having family around..

      We are away at a caravan with a good view over the Clyde… had a big party last night for my birthday whips is also today.. was bloody rough this morning.

      Got a wee card off to Craig on Thursday

      Happy birthday Brave Craig


    • Giyane


      Thanks to the link to George Galloway. You don’t hear the brainless imams discussing the bonanza of logistical support from the British Government for terrorism in Libya, Syria , Iraq and Afghanistan. You will never hear them regret the destruction of these civilisations from their armchairs in the UK.

      And you will never hear anybody else discuss the fact that ISIS has branches inside China. The discussion on Craig Murray makes it crystal clear that Sturgeon is directly to blame. Fighting talk.

  • mark golding

    Cameron’s wee birthday poem; a ray of pure light to fill a dark void:

    “The sun shines
    Right on my eyes
    And so do yours
    Reflecting your twinkling image
    And across the horizon
    Arises a new down
    An image so amazing
    An image like never before
    Taking away all woe
    From my mind.
    What lies behind the corridor
    Is a message to never lose hope
    And in the near future
    Which is yet to come
    Is endless fun
    With everyone.”

    • nevermind

      Thanks for the link that confirms once again to the public that a non criminal civil prisoner is not partial to the usual benefit of a tag or early release to avoid him getting seripusly ill in Saughton.
      Maybe the high profile COP26 could/should be used to highlight the ongoing revenge by the sour pusses in the SNP and their implicit partners in the judiciary.


  • DunGroanin

    Did you come across the Obsessive Groans interview with ‘Stella Moris’ ?

    Hattenstone does a reasonable job but still manages to stick a few lies in and leaves out the lies of the Guardian itself and its cabal of DS stenographers who get wheeled out to bash anyone who actually threatens the status quo.

    Anyway here are some highlights. Pre change of name to Stella, Sara Gonzalez Devant is reported in the interview:

    “I had read all the documents and it was clear that this was a political case and that he was innocent. The Swedish authorities were behaving in a way that was inexplicable, refusing to question him. Then it came out that they were being advised by the Crown Prosecution Service not to question him in England. The CPS was pushing for Julian to be extradited, which was also inexplicable.” She shows me a document obtained through a freedom of information request in which a senior CPS lawyer tells his Swedish counterpart “not to get cold feet” over the extradition.”

    – It is important that last bit isn’t permanently memory holed because it happened under Starmers CPS as did the non prosecution of anybody about Saville… there are people within the CPS who have convinced themselves that no such memo existed; and that it was ok to destroy the communications between the countries whilst the case was active but UNCHARGED. Back to the interview:

    Simon skirts around before going full DS BS with

    “ His relationship with the Guardian soured over the decision to bring the New York Times into the collaboration, and he was angered that the Guardian investigated the Swedish allegations, rather than supporting him unquestioningly. He was also furious about details published in a Guardian book, WikiLeaks: Inside Julian Assange’s War on Secrecy. Meanwhile, all five media partners condemned his decision to publish Cablegate unredacted..”

    – Which as we all know is lies. Simon does state that :

    “ In November 2019, Sweden dropped the rape investigation (the deadline for bringing charges on the sexual assault allegation expired in 2015). But it provided little comfort for Assange. By now America was set on extraditing him.”

    – that paragraph proves that the whole ‘rape’ investigation was made up from day one and charges could have been made if they had any case up until 2015 but the Swedes hadn’t made them because there was nothing to charge him on and they hadn’t even bothered to interview JA further in the U.K.!! This is followed in the interview by some crocodile teared pleas to not ‘prosecute’ Assange by the same backstabbing liberal NeoLib conmen and women’s of the western media who have been shitting on him for over a decade!

    “ Moris says she is sick of these mealy-mouthed defences. She suggests that mainstream news organisations jumped at the opportunity of working with WikiLeaks, then distanced themselves from him as soon as the going got tough.”
    “ Julian has been in prison for two and a half years, with him facing 175 years for publishing arguably the most significant publications in journalistic history, for doing his job, and there are still these ambiguous, half-hearted defences …” She trails off, despondent. “They should just stick to the principle and all the personal issues with Julian’s agreeableness can be discussed once he’s released.”
    Moris admits she is angry and says it’s important for her to control it. “What matters is saving Julian’s life and there not being a precedent set and used against the rest of the press. The future of living in a free and open society is at stake.” She looks tearful, and sounds desperate. ”

    – Concludes Hattenstone. It is not the complete and honest statement of facts and Simon has avoided criticising or even highlighting any of his Groaniad colleagues bonkers Assange bashing. But it is worth reading to track how they are recasting the narrative- hell apparently Baraittser is cast as someone who has no desire to see miscarriage of justice …incredible, maybe Simon should do a full interview with her!

  • mark golding

    I applaud the celebration of Craig’s speech “Don’t Dream The American Dream” at the @OxfordUnion which shows much of the person we can’t wait to welcome back among us.

    I myself point the finger at the so called ‘people who shape the world’ and invite the Oxford Union to debate Craig Murray’s dubious and outlandish incarceration.

    In 2013 at the Oxford Union, Craig not only warned about the ‘approaching disaster’ from climate change, he gave emphasis to the control of freedom in a sense from the machinations involved in nourishing the American war machine or the Military Industrial Complex in the United States and Britain on the pretense of an existential threat from terrror.

    Clearly then one must strive to dichotomize what is real and what is fake when confronted with the impact of actions by radicals known to the intelligence services or targeted by Prevent, the Government deradicalisation programme like the recent murder by Ali Harbi Ali Kullane, a possible agent of al-Shabaab al-Mujahideen in Somali which has links to another agent, Samantha Lewthwaite.

    In all this I believe evil arises in the absence of individual, critical thinking, using empathy, to decide how one’s actions will affect other humans.

    Critical thinking can be disabled using group-think techniques to control the populace. Indeed many voices exist for the group-think that the US should rule the world for the benefit of those who profit from the US dominating our planet. It is those voices that attack and attempt to undermine the determination and influence of Craig Murray, a messenger and medium of truthfulness.

    Craig Murray and ‘Don’t Dream The American Dream’ –


  • Antonym

    COP26 in Glasgow on 31 October – 12 November 2021 is a perfect international spotlight to exhibit present Scotland’s darkest secret: the one and only British isles political thought prisoner Craig Murray in Edinburgh. 2021 = 1984.

    How about some political & judicial climate change?

    • T

      They are instead using it to promote its sponsor Jaguar Land Rover. It is said that if the world’s SUVs-4 wheel drives constituted their own nation it would be the 6th highest polluting nation on earth. In 2019 the sale of SUVs reached 40% of total car sales worldwide.
      That’s COP26.

  • mark golding

    The Online Safety Bill online at:

    will be presented to Parliament before year end. In it’s current form it is a good example of the best of intentions (protecting children from hurtful & injurious content) leading to the very worst of outcomes.

    The Bill tasks Silicon Valley Internet providers with a ‘duty of Care’ to remove content judged ‘harmful’ else face huge fines from OfCom, in the role of super-regulator with new powers (and a new chair) enforced by the Secretary of State on a what was once a somewhat independent communication regulator. This means of course judgments that should be reserved for UK prosecutors and the courts will be outsourced to these global tech companies.

    Interestingly this Bill contains exemptions for journalistic content emphasizing the dilemma, the double bind, the gotcha, of who does and does not qualify as the press or a legitimate journalist.

    Clearly the threat of colossal fines or even jail time for Directors will cause tech platforms to overreact, prompting them to remove content that is perfectly legal. Worse still, politicians and journalists are opted out of the law, enhancing the unhealthy two-tier system of press and citizen journalism online that previously damned Craig to a place in hell.

    • Tom Welsh

      “The Bill tasks Silicon Valley Internet providers with a ‘duty of Care’ to remove content judged ‘harmful’…”

      Judged by whom? And on what grounds?

      • mark golding

        Exactly Tom using ‘harmful’ as key is rather loose, nebulous even hypothetical. In other words failure to define what constitutes ‘harmful’ material in the Bill would result in many perfectly legal posts banned.

    • Robert


      Tried to put whay you say in my own words – but can’t match your work skills. I applaud both the sentiment and the presentation.

    • Johny Conspiranoid

      “it is a good example of the best of intentions (protecting children from hurtful & injurious content) leading to the very worst of outcomes.”

      Only if we assume that the stated intentions were the real intentions rather than the actual outcomes being the real intentions. There’s a lot of it about.

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