One of the tinier income flows of the “security industry” amongst the billions of cash they have made from the War on Terror, is the money they get from television punditry. This is a double whammy as they get paid to stoke up the climate of fear on which they thrive.
Sky News have had two different security “experts” on in the last ten minutes, both assuring us how deadly serious last night’s incident on Emirates was, and that the police response was “Proportionate” and necessary. The Sky presenters repeated the mantra of proportionate action too.
Complete bollocks. Common sense seems to have gone out of the window completely. I don’t know exactly what Al-Qaida teach their potential bombers in the Yemen. Apparently they don’t teach them that you can’t blow up commercial explosive without a detonator, in the case of the underpants bomber. The UK authorities apparently believe they also don’t tell them not to let the flight crew know about the bomb, before the plane takes off.
According to “security expert” Chris from Bolton, the men may have been making a joke among themselves which the cabin staff overheard. Something like “Did you remember the bomb Jim?” “Don’t worry it’s in the hold”.
The authorities are very keen to introduce suspect profiling, to make sure Muslims get worked over. Here is a clue for suspect profiling: terrorists don’t tell you about the bomb in advance.
“Huh?”
Technicolour, the word “shill” is a word that conspiracy theorists are fond of because it allows them to think they are talking in code. They mean, New World Order agents whose job it is is to argue on forums such as these against their harebrained conspiracy theories. If you expose their illogical theories then the easiest response for them is to accuse you of being part of the conspiracy rather than defend their silly ideas.
Other jargon includes COINTELPRO, disinfo agent etc…
See whereas I am just a bloke on the Internet laughing at Jaded and co. to him I am an agent trying to suppress him, a dissident. It’s a little fantasy of his.
I think he is talking to himself. Easy to do, kiddy stuff really, with multi IP’s… 😉
ISRAELHELLIES… I didn’t see anyone mention ISRAELHELLIES. Another straw man by angrysoba. Although some were rebellious, the Israeli’s were guided by God, and deserve respect. A generally good people methinks – despite the rebels. This current bunch of thugs crooks and criminals trumpeting the Zionist supremacist filth and global usury they use which is destroying the world (Inviting a war upon them by God) are completely different, unless you really do believe this modern day Israyhell is what God wanted it to be and he really allowed the Jews to indulge in usury to the animalistic Goym, but not amongst themselves.
It’s puzzling why atheists aren’t contesting the Zionist claim that they can commit genocide against the Palestinians because of a Biblical right – that is a perception that the Biblical right was before (in their eyes) they killed Jesus and rejected his message, whereupon they broke the covenant with God.
For over 1000 years Christian Europe refused usury. Always wondered by the history books praised the reformation.
it’s all gone mad!
“I didn’t see anyone mention ISRAELHELLIES. Another straw man by angrysoba.”
It was hyperbole. I’m laughing at you.
lwtc: was this not you?
“LOL.
technicolour in his scramble to a dictionary so not to have his potty ideas of anti-Semitism exposed, made a couple of typo’s in the the serch field and got a definition for “emetic”. and made a forced point to use it and show us all how clever he is. Hahahaha. No that’s not true, he’s always known what ’emetic’ means.
ISRAELHELLIES”
Really, this thread has got silly. Everyone stop insulting each other (or laughing at each other) or else. Or else what, I hear you cry? Or else you will end up frothing at the mouths into a perpetual vacuum; not a happy thought.
@Techni: Seconded.
Off-topic, but would like to refer back to AngrySoba on the quote – “dual-citizenship” (with its nudge-nudge wink-wink connotations). Thanks Angry for clearing up a few things above, but there is a legitimate debate to be had about the concept of dual nationality. I don’t think there’s anything underhand or unspoken about suggesting that dual nationality raises difficult questions of identity and loyalty. I’m not going to read the context in which it was originally made, though, because it was probably wafted about by a nutter.
Various commenters,
PLEASE, just take a few deep breaths and calm down.
I think that the vast majority of visitors to this site wish for a more peaceful world with less acts of violence or attempted violence, whether military or ‘terrorist’.
But things are often not as they first seem. Information is often inaccurate or misleading. We need clear heads to sort stuff out, and all the name-calling and insults just raise pulse rates and make rationality more difficult.
Taking sides DOES NOT HELP. Having ‘sides’ is what makes ‘false flag’ operations possible, and thus makes the consideration of the ‘false flag’ possibility necessary.
If we truly want peace, we each have to start with our own emotional state.
None of us can think of all possible explanations for any given event, so it’s good to have different mind-sets examining things from differing perspectives. We ALL have value here.
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Glow-in-the-dark,
I deliberately followed those links, specifically to find out if they led to any malware. Thanks for your concern. I was cautious, and used a non infectable and disposable operating system. So far, they’ve lead to nothing at all, the URL does not get resolved. I shall continue to check them out. But I agree, most users should avoid clicking on them, in case one turns out to be nasty.
I thought ISRAELHELLIES were fruit flavoured sweets you get in little plastic packets .. ah, no, those are JELLY BABIES, sorry..
I’m glad to see that some other comments have come in, calling for calm, while I was typing my own.
It was actually angrysoba at January 10, 2010 1:06 PM who said it. My post refered to the Israelites who do deserve respect as do those fine updatanding Jews who once again participated in the Viva Palestina aid convoy. Here’s a lovely pic…
http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/Viva_PalestinaII/George%20Galloway.jpg
Amazing how theres no answer to why suspected criminal Doron Almog wasn’t arrested while sitting in a plane stationary on the runway in a British airport, yet drunk idiots sitting on a plane just about to take off for Dubai were.
Incredible.
lwtc247,
a comment bearing your name at 1:35 does end with ‘ISRAELHELLIES’.
It’s funny how much Muslim hatred and anti-Semitism and conspiracy nuttery pass by on this site without comment, but once someone calls it out, all of a sudden there are multiple calls for people to calm down.
It’s also fun to see presumably non-believing British persons team up with British Muslims who believe that God is on their side.
lwtc: There are lots of answers; the police were too scared; the politicians didn’t want to provoke an international row with an allied government; both in any case are disinclined to arrest the rich and powerful and violent and would far prefer to tackle a couple of drunk commoners. And, on top of that, once the UK starts arresting other people for war crimes, its own government would have to explode with self-contradiction.
Why you persist in believing that this is some kind of pro-semitism rather than sheer selfish pragmatism is beyond me. As are the dots you use in ‘semitic’ and for which I have yet to see an explanation. I am not convinced by your reference to ‘fine, upstanding Jews’. It sounds both patronising and somehow unpleasant.
lwtc247,
regarding the non-arrest of Doron Almog:
‘lets them try again’ at 12:36 suggests that the authorities were avoiding appearing ‘antisemetic’.
And I think Technicolour’s comment at 12:42 concerns this incident, too. Technicolour seems to suggest that it was Doron Almog’s association with a government lead to his protection, whereas the the ‘drunken jokers’ enjoyed no such status.
(My apology, Technicolour, if i’ve misinterpreted your comment).
TIP TO ALL (especially if your pulse is elevated):
Slow down, read back over previous comments.
larry, it is not funny. it is a sad fact of life that some people have been driven mad by propaganda and hatred. if you don’t like it, and who does, deal with it, please.
Hello Larry,
how are you feeling today?
“I think MS & MJ are different by the way”
Correct. The clue is in the second letter. A small but crucial detail.
The Nazi camps were indeed monitored by the IRS, until 1943 at least. My point was that the Gulags didn’t even get a visit.
Demonise me for mentioning it to your hearts’ content if you wish, but please don’t marginalise the suffering of the millions whose stories can never be told.
@Rob:
“Thanks Angry for clearing up a few things above, but there is a legitimate debate to be had about the concept of dual nationality. I don’t think there’s anything underhand or unspoken about suggesting that dual nationality raises difficult questions of identity and loyalty.”
Maybe not universally, sure. But certainly in the context it was meant in a nudge-nudge wink-wink manner.
“As are the dots you use in ‘semitic’ and for which I have yet to see an explanation.”
Technicolour. I don’t think there is anything untoward about the dots you saw in “se mit ic”. The dots are there because you pasted a dictionary definition of the word which shows the syllables and which lwtc6473 copied and pasted in his/her response.
Not surprised by the non-arrest of Doron Almog. Far too much of a political hot potato, and I doubt the police were really prepped for it either.
Pinochet was let go in the end, remember? An al-Meghari was convicted despite the fact he was probably not guilty, and released without appeal on spurious grounds.
The truth is international law is an ideal that is quickly sacrificed for national self-interest whenever the opportunity arises. Nevertheless, the excuse of the British police (“that they feared a gunfight”) is not only clumsily dishonest – it puts the UK constabulary in a particularly bad light.
technicolour, check out your own post at 11:09 AM.
asoba: cheers about the dots; was puzzled.
MJ. Oh God. OK, let’s start. Have you read Corrie Ten Boom? She was held in a Nazi concentration camp. Her family died. No visits from the IRC. No “regulation” (really, that word makes me ill). This is from a reputable site on the Holocaust. What have you got against this view of how the IRC operated?
“The IRC did insist that it be allowed to visit concentration camps, and a delegation did visit the “model ghetto” of Terezin (Theresienstadt). The IRC request came following the receipt of information about the harsh living conditions in the camp.
The IRC requested permission to investigate the situation, but the Germans only agreed to allow the visit nine months after submission of the request. This delay provided time for the Nazis to complete a “beautification” program, designed to fool the delegation into thinking that conditions at Terezin were quite good and that inmates were allowed to live out their lives in relative tranquility.
The visit, which took place on July 23, 1944, was followed by a favorable report on Terezin to the members of the IRC which Jewish organizations protested vigorously, demanding that another delegation visit the camp. Such a visit was not permitted until shortly before the end of the war. In reality, the majority were subsequently deported to Auschwitz where they were murdered.”
You must know that even when a care home in the UK is investigated, the staff know in advance, and change everything to make it look good. You really think the IRC would have been allowed to investigate concentration camps, never mind ‘regulate’ them? Why?
of course from what I read, the gulags were equally terrible, before you say I missed that point.
Rob Lewis:
I also think its legitimate to raise questions about members of government holding dual citizenships. My own view is that there is nothing wrong with individuals holding dual citizenships (I would love an EU passport for work/travel), but this changes when you enter government. At the very least there should be laws requiring members of government to recuse themselves when dealing with issues that are relevant to both states.
Craig:
I have noticed a few times that you blog about an issue that has been big in the UK press but not really reported elsewhere. Any chance you could include a link to the issue when this is the case. As an international reader I occasionally have no idea what you are referring to.
@CheebaCow: your comments on dual nationality reflect my own opinion too. It would do the world a power of good if such measures were universally implemented.
Technicolour, MJ
I don’t _think_ MJ is an apologist for the Nazis. MJ, are you?
I suspect that Nazi apologists have constructed a false case, starting from a few facts. MJ refers to those facts, and becomes falsely tainted.
MJ, did you suggest that the camps were IRC _regulated_? I thought you wrote _monitored_.
Please folks, lets try to find what we have in common.
technicolour: the IRC monitored all the camps in the first couple of years as its own records show. My apologies that the word ‘regulated’ gave offence; I know it’s not quite right. I was referring to the fact that the IRC set down protocols for the treatment of detainees to which the Nazis adhered to some extent at first. Thank you for ackowledging that my point really was about the Gulags. Unlike the Nazi camps so little is said about them these days and one reason for that is that they were not properly documented.
Now it’s ‘monitored’; originally it was ‘regulated: MJ’s original comment was
“eddie: you could include Stalin’s Gulags. Some reckon they were even worse, not only because of the numbers but because they were not visited and regulated by the IRC.”
Monitored, or regulated; someone who has obviously not researched the whole deathly subject throws out statements designed to persuade themselves or others that the concentration camps were not so bad. They were locking people up in concentration camps, MJ. Have you heard of the Final Solution? Have you read about what they did? The forced abortions? The experiments? The genocides? They were mad. Do you think they would have allowed themselves to be monitored or regulated by the IRC?
“I don’t _think_ MJ is an apologist for the Nazis. MJ, are you?”
Absolutely not. One of the vilest, most despicable regimes the planet has ever seen.
I do find it a little odd that one cannot state a simple, well-known and easily verifiable fact about the Nazi camps without having to answer that question.