So This is Self Defence? 197


Warning: This video is very upsetting

I realise some of you may have already seen this. But I feel an obligation to post it. The Israeli tactic of blocking all communication from the ship and detaining the passengers for days allowed Israeli doctored pictures to be the only ones broadcast by the mainstream news media. Despite the crudity of the tactic, the MSM have happily gone along with the idea that once alternative footage finally became available, it was no longer “news”.

We of the new media therefore have an obligation to do what little we each can to expose the lies, propaganda and twisted agenda of the mainstream media.


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197 thoughts on “So This is Self Defence?

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  • Suhayl Saadi

    Abe, yes, I agree, it merits investigation. Furthermore, there is no evidence to date of any guns having been on board the ship, no evidence of anyone shooting bullets at the Israelis.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    What, Arsalan, you don’t think that Michael would be a sensation in Vaudeville? In fact, I see them as a duo; Lawrence of America could be the ‘straight’ guy. How ’bout it, guys? Think of it. Fame. Lights. That shivery feeling you get when you think of… J. Edgar Hoover.

  • somebody

    War Criminal & Warmonger Averts French Court Move…

    Ehud Barak cancels France visit due to flotilla commission

    Barak staying out of France because of flotilla

    Defense Ministry reports that Barak will remain in Israel until team of experts investigating flotilla raid announced. Over weekend, sail participants declared intention to sue defense minister

    Roni Sofer

    Published: 06.13.10, 12:09 / Israel News

    Defense Minister Ehud Barak unexpectedly announced Sunday morning that he will not be traveling to Paris for the international military exhibition, Eurosatory.

    The Defense Ministry reported that Minister Barak decided to remain in Israel until the team of experts investigating the raid on the Gaza-bound flotilla is announced.

    Over the weekend, French activists who took part in the flotilla to the Gaza Strip announced that they intend to file a lawsuit against Barak both in France and in the International Criminal Court in The Hague. Three members of French parliament have joined the effort.

    Barak was slated to leave Sunday morning for an official two-day visit to Paris, where he would inaugurate the Israeli booth at the international military exhibition and meet with defense and foreign ministers.

    On Friday, political officials said that Barak had no intention of canceling his trip, and that the legal department of the Foreign Ministry along with others in the judicial system were taking action to provide him with adequate defense should the case indeed be filed. However, at the last minute, Barak did indeed decide to cancel.

    Regarding his previous visit to Paris, Barak was harshly criticized by State Comptroller Micha Lindenstrauss regarding his delegation’s extravagant hotel expenses at the Paris Air Show in 2009.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3904272,00.html

  • McIntyre

    “Do you wear a raincoat?”

    I do indeed, when appropriate. I do not know Lawrence personally. Exposing fraudsters on the web has become something of a hobby for me. I’ll bid you G’day now.

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Good. Thanks, ‘somebody’.

    If the video were to be magnified, lit, cleaned-up, and slowed-down, it might just be possible to get some faces.

  • joe_rose

    Not that Craig cannot defend himself, but I would suggest that his association to holocaust deniers and 911 truthers is as close than his association to you, Larry: they happen to post comments in this board.

    By the way, if you and Michael here are the best the harbara can offer zionism is indeed in trouble.

  • Anonymous

    “A sign that Michael Petek is the Second Coming. Or possibly the Third Coming. Or possibly The Beast.”

    Michael Petek is the whore of Babylon, the mother of all Harlots.

    Or at least he serves her?

    Actually he does?

    Come to think of it he does!!!!

    Christian Zionist support Israel, because they believe it will speed up the rapture, bring on the rule of the antichrist, resulting in Christ coming to kill him.

    That means he supports Israel because he thinks Israel is the Whore of Babylon due to be lead by the beast!

    He does this thinking he will have time to change sides at the last minute when Jesus comes.

    He is knowingly serving the Whore of Babylon, the mother of Harlots.

    Hay guys, this isn’t an insult or a Parady. It is actually his beliefs, you can do a search for Christian Zionist theology to confirm it.

    Am I right Michael, is that what you are up to?

    When ever I read Islamic or Christian books about the rapture, I always found it difficult to understand how people could serve the antichrist when he is so clearly evil.

    Why could’t they see the person they serve is the antichirst..

    But the issue is, people like Micheal serve him with their eyes wide open. Serve him knowing exactly who he is and what he is, with the mistaken belief they can change side in the last minute!

    I also found it difficult to understand how people like micheal could serve a country as anti Christian as Israel.

    But I understand now, He is serving who he believes is the whore of babylon, thinking the Anti Christ will come to lead that country and then he will be able to serve the antichirst to spead up the rapture!

  • Michael Petek

    Me and Arsalan a double act on stage?

    Give over!

    You’d have to pay both of us.

    With Omid Djalili, you only need to pay one.

  • Larry in the Cathouse

    Our Hasbarat Shills Utd. seem to be in some disarray.

    Get back here,Craig and get censoring now!

    They’re sayin’ I ain’t got no balls!

    Get your butt back here now!

  • Clark

    Apostate,

    Freeborn,

    Steelback,

    Juniper,

    Tungsten

    I do not believe that the Jewish Holocaust of WWII is a lie. Nor do I believe that there is a Jewish conspiracy to subjugate the world. I find the articles you have linked to offensive.

    I denounce your tactic of posting under multiple names as an abuse of the open policy of this site.

    To any reader,

    though I lack conclusive evidence (IP addresses), I am totally convinced that the five names listed above are all the same person.

  • Arsalan

    What I am saying is it isn’t the likes of freeborn etc who attack the memory of the people who died in the holocoast. It is the likes of Larry and Michael, who use their deaths to justify the deaths of others who piss on the graves of Hitlers Jewish victims.

  • Arsalan

    Freeborn and co is a friend who I/we have major disagreements with. But we can work togeather because he/they do not call for the deaths of anyone. He/they are against people being killed and oppression.

    He/they don’t support what hitler did, I never heard him say such a thing or read it on his links.

    So he is not the enemy, he is a friend that we disagree with.

    Larry, Micheal and the other Zionists are the enemy, they support deaths, torture and war.

    They support hate and strife.

    When the Zionists say Israel has killed no Palestinians, they all ways make clear that they wish Israel did. And they will still support Israel if it did.

    Micheal makes it clear that he supports the killing of ALL MUSLIM MEN.

    He has said this many times. And LArry has never attacked him for it even when asked.

    Freeborn has never called for the killing of all Jews, no one here has.

    Because We all know the real Jews are on our side.

    The real Jews were on those boats being beaten up by the same Zionists who shot the turks. The real Jews are always at the front of our antiZionist demonstrations.

    We all know this.

  • technicolour

    Arsalan: they are ‘against oppression’? You know that the people who deny the Holocaust also tend to hate Muslims, don’t you?

    I must have missed those comments of Petek’s. I suggest you email Craig with them and ask for a retraction or a ban. Other rpoblems with him aside, I have never heard Larry argue for the killing of anyone.

    You are getting confused with the Jewish issue, my friend (and I feel friendly towards you). You are starting to believe your own propaganda about ‘real Jews’. I understand, about the Israeli regime, since in the same way Bush et al were patently not ‘real’ Christians. But most Jewish people are sick to death of slaughter and hate and have no idea what to do about it. Just as you had no idea how to stop Blair from attacking Iraq. I don’t see any comment from you on the recent peace protests inside Israel, for example. Would that be because they don’t suit your agenda? Please don’t be blinded.

  • Anonymous

    What we now need is an attack by Israel on Iran….come on you know you want to do it……

  • Craig

    Larry,

    I deleted some holocaust denial comments tgis morning but I’ve bben watching the World Cup since. It’s one of the few things I do delete.

    I haven’t said anything about the video showing someone being shot four times. What it does show undoubtedly is Israeli soldiers repeatedly kicking something or someone on the floor while pointing their guns at it or them. Without more analysis it is not plain if it shows them shooting.

    Given the context and othe rinformation we have available, we can be reasonably sure it is a person they are kicking and covering with their guns. Plainly that person is in no position to threaten them and the one thing this video indubitably does not show is Israeli soldiers acting in self defence.

  • Clark

    Arsalan,

    I basically agree with you. I have two criticisms of Apostate under his various names. I followed his ‘goodnewsaboutgod’ link by ‘Freeborn’ at 6:56 PM, to a page that blames and accuses Jews in general. And I regard his use of multiple names as essentially dishonest.

    The posting of such links plays into the hands of violent Zionism by giving them grounds to shout “Antisemitism!”. And his posting under multiple names, that appear to be five people backing each other up amplifies the problem, opening us to accusations of being ‘infested with antisemites’.

  • craig

    clark

    what are the timings of the offending entries? I’ll delete them. Holocaust denial and racism are red lines.

  • Clark

    To be fair to Apostate (Freeborn), about a fifth of the way through, the ‘goodnewsaboutgod’ article makes a distinction between “elitist Jews” and “rank and file Jews”. He is welcome to study such stuff himself, but I see no place for it here, where it is counter productive. Israeli atrocities should be criticised in their own right, not as some extension to a conspiracy theory about WWII.

    Craig,

    comments around June 13, 2010 6:56 PM, that’s the one with the link. Look and see what you think.

  • craig

    I gave censored various comments. Arsalan calm down abd stop calling anyone who disagrees with you a Nazi.

  • Steelback

    The sad thing re-Mr Murray’s deletions of Holocaust revisionist material is his assumption that none of it could possibly come from Jewish sources.

    A typical example of precisely the Hollywood Holocaust propaganda the establishment left absorbed with their mother’s milk.

    Edwin Black who wrote The Transfer Agreement re-how Nazi-Zionist collaboration during the 1930s built the infra-structure of what became the Israeli state-is Jewish.

    Hennecke Kardel who described the same collaboration in Hitler:Founder of Israel-is Jewish.

    David Cole who went to the Auschwitz “extermination” camp and returned adamant that it was no such thing and said so on the Phil Donahue Show was hounded into hiding by B’nai B’rith/ADL thugs-is Jewish.

    Why Mr Murray are you censoring Jewish researchers and abetting Zionist lies and propaganda?

    Obviously you take the patently ethnocentric line that all Jews are Zionists.

    P.S. Can you answer the question you were asked about 3 hours ago-are you or are you not running a Holocaust-fundamentalist website here?

    Anti-Zionist Holocaust researchers are rotting in prison because they challenge-and fully document their evidence-the indecently threadbare Holocaust establishment narrative.

    You are deleting all references to Zionist involvement in international finance,Reform Judaism,the Holocaust,911,7/7 and all the other crimes against humanity for which there is abundant evidence they are responsible.

    Just how long do you really think it’s going to be possible for you remain in denial?

  • Suhayl Saadi

    Michael – if it was Michael and not some other astral body – yes, Omid Djalili is superb!

    I agree, Clark, just as come of Michael’s comments (though I’m never sure which of them emanate from Michael Petek and which from Beelzebub or the spirit of Farrokh Bulsara) make it more difficult for aggressive pro-Israel commentators to be taken seriously herein, so some of Apostate’s make it more difficult for critics of the Israeli state’s actions to make those criticisms without being tarnished with the same brush, as well as increasing the risk of the site being unfairly and LOUDLY ‘branded’ at every available opportunity (as you’ve pointed out and as has been demonstrated very recently in this thread).

    I’m not sure whether either of those points requires censoring of the relevant comments. I think, though, on balance it’s better to try and do what you’ve suggested, I sense, and what Craig’s doing and achieve a sensible modulation wit some basic ground-rules. It’s a blog, therefore it has an opinion wrt certain matters. If people want to read stuff ‘beyond the red flags’, there are plenty of other places on the web to find it.

  • Apostate

    Holocaust denial is a red line!

    What the…?

    Are you taking it upon yourself to invent hate laws that haven’t even been passed yet?

    Holocaust fundamentalism is an infringement against free speech not to mention it’s an insult to people’s intelligence.

    Is there anything else you want to censor,Mr Murray?

    You just trashed your liberal credentials Big Time!

    How pathetic!

    Like any historian worthy of the name is going to start researching a topic by giving a prior guarantee s/he will not challenge the establishment narrative?

    What sort of historical research is that for God’s sake?

    Excuse me while I vomit….

    Any Niall Ferguson books you want to recommend?

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