So This is Self Defence? 197

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Warning: This video is very upsetting

I realise some of you may have already seen this. But I feel an obligation to post it. The Israeli tactic of blocking all communication from the ship and detaining the passengers for days allowed Israeli doctored pictures to be the only ones broadcast by the mainstream news media. Despite the crudity of the tactic, the MSM have happily gone along with the idea that once alternative footage finally became available, it was no longer “news”.

We of the new media therefore have an obligation to do what little we each can to expose the lies, propaganda and twisted agenda of the mainstream media.

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197 thoughts on “So This is Self Defence?”

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  • arsalan

    Richard Robinson

    The thing is Craig can’t tell too.

    He has accused me of false flagging as Michael.

    I have already told Angry that Michael does their cause more harm than good.

    I am not Michael, I think we have posted at about the same time now so he can check IPs and see they are different.

  • Arsalan

    Michael goes beyond my worst Parodies of a rabid Zionist.

    I think in this case truth might just be stranger than fiction.

    He might just be for real?

  • Larry from St. Louis

    Clark: “I think I can see muzzle flashes, but I can’t be sure because the SWF video quality is dreadful.”

    So you can see through the red target outline placed there by the video producers?

    Seems odd that they would deliberately obscure evidence that would tend to either prove or disprove the allegation, doesn’t it?

    They could have used an arrow – instead, there’s that red target outline. Why?

  • Michael Petek

    Arsalan, you f***ing twister, if you’re going to quote me, at least do it correctly:

    ” . . . all the men who were killed were mujahidin and therefore not protected civilians, because they were Muslim men PAST ADOLESCENCE AND RESPONDING TO THE CALL TO WAGE JIHAD.”

  • Clark

    Larry,

    I don’t care about that. I want a clearer video image, as I hope you do, too. However, there are also a lot of eyewitness accounts, and the four bullets found in this young man’s remains.

  • Arsalan

    MJ

    What he is saying is clear. It is just that he is so twisted we refuse to see it.

    What he is saying is Israel has a right to kill them. Not because the soldiers were defending themselves against the unarmed, but because the men they killed were Muslim men.

    What he is saying is Muslim men have no right to life.

    That anyone is allowed to kill them.

    Because he says, every Muslim man should be seen as a soldier, whether armed, whether unarmed. whether fighting, sleeping or shitting on a toilet.

    Basicly he is saying about Muslims what Hitler said about Jews.

    He is a Nazi.

  • Arsalan

    And look at his last post?

    The justification for killing Turks on a ship is Some people in Iraq killed some Christians during American occupatio.

    He fails to mention before American occupation, under Saddam the deputy leader was a Christian!!!!

    So was the head of the Army!

    There were Christian all over the government!

    When did it Change?

    When did Christian start being Killed?

    Under American Zionist rule!!!

  • Larry from St. Louis

    No muzzle flash. No ejection of any cartridge. No recoil. Absolutely zero evidence that the weapon was discharged.

  • Michael Petek

    In answer to your small question, MJ, what the hell I’m talking about is this.

    According to the manual of Islamic law, Ummdat as-Salik (Reliance of the Treveller), everyone is obligated to jihad who is a Muslim male, past the age of puberty and sane.

    The Mavi Marmara and Hamas were at both ends of a military chain of command, which makes the Marmara, by status, equivalent to a warship, though feigning civilian status. So were the men who were shot, as they had boarded the vessel in answer to the summons to jihad issued by Hamas.

    Pretending to be a civvy is perfidy and liable to get you shot in cold blood even after capture.

    Ummdat as-Salik also states that jihad is etymologically related to mujahada, which connotes war to establish the religion.

    If someone declares and wages eternal war against infidels, don’t be surprised if some of them hit back, kill the mujahidin and do all sorts of gruesome things to them.

  • Arsalan

    MJ

    What he is saying is “Kill all those Niggers”

    With the addition of a few words here from books he is to thick to read let alone understand.

    And this is the Zionist mentality, the Nazi mentality.

    If you want to understand how people kill the unarmed, whether in Nazi Germany of Zionist Palestine, this idiot is your answer..

  • Clark

    Larry is right. The video clip in Craig’s post shows a soldier preparing his gun. Craig’s clip is wrong by six seconds.

    Congratulations, Larry. This man did indeed live six seconds longer than the clip above indicates.

    And yes, Larry, maybe it was some other gun that is heard to fire, and the smoke was from something else. But ultimately, there is a body where there was a 19 year old man.

  • Larry from St. Louis

    “The video clip in Craig’s post shows a soldier preparing his gun.”

    “This man did indeed live six seconds longer”

    Evidence?

    Or should we just take your word for it?

  • Arsalan

    I said it before. For the Zionists it isn’t about whether the Zionists murdered the people on the ship. Because they already agree with any murder Israel will ever do, or has ever done.

    When they say “Israel didn’t murder” it is a false flag. Because even if Israel did murder they would support it. Just look at what Micheal patak is saying. He is calling for the killing of every Muslim man!

    And makes no secret of it.

    What he does is justify it.

    He justifies it by pointing at the Islamic religion, and justifies it by attacks on others.

  • Arsalan

    Larry you didn’t answer my question about Micheal, do you agree with him that every Muslim man should be killed or is he a Nazi?

    Larry if you don’t answer, I will take it that you share his Nazi beliefs because you are on the same side as him and refuse to distance yourself from him when asked.

  • MJ

    Michael Petek: I rather doubt that the ship was under Hamas control. That just sounds like panicky, post de facto Israeli propaganda to me. But even if it were true that the whole operation was under the Hamas control the point surely is that the ship was carrying nothing but food and medical aid, the passengers had no weapons and it was sailing perfectly legally in international waters.

    The lengths you are prepared to go to defend the indefensible is truly breathtaking.

  • Michael Petek

    Obviously, Arslan, you can’t read capital letters, can you?

    All people have to do is go to my previous posts under this head to see for themselves what a liar you are.

  • Clark

    Larry,

    are you in favour of a full and impartial international inquiry?

    Did you check the link I posted? If so, what do you think? It seems pretty clear to me. You were right, the soldier checks his clip. Then we hear four shots, but the camera is pointing elsewhere. The camera turns back, smoke, probably gun smoke, drifts towards the camera. OK, it’s not proof in itself. But I expect that this documents Furkan Dogan’s execution. How do you rate the balance of probability?

  • Clark

    I propose a vote. Is Michael Petek actually serious? I vote that he’s playing a part. I really can’t believe that he believes the things he posts. He quotes Borat!

  • Arsalan

    Mj

    To Michael PAtek it doesn’t matter whether the Ship was filled with Hamas, or not. As long as the people killed were Muslims, they can be killed.

    Why?

    Just look at his justifications:

    Justification 1:

    Muslims kill people, so if a Muslim, any Muslim any where kills someone. Lets say in Iraq. It is ok to kill all Muslims. So Israel was right to kill Muslims on that ship.

    Justification 2>

    He regards all Muslim men as fighters.

    So it doesnt matter whether or not they were Hamas. Because they were Muslim me, they can be killed.

  • Arsalan

    Larry you are refusing to distance yourself from him.

    Is it because you agree with him?

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