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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • Q

    If you look around the Haute-Savoie, there are quite a number of Cottet Dumoulin names in menuiserie. There are musicians, and there is a Cottet Dumoulin with Griffon hunting dogs. FWIW.

  • Q

    From the 2008 elections:

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/the-romance-is-over-france-punishes-sarkozy-s-party-in-local-elections-a-541880.html
    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/03/sak-m13.html
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/sarkozy-s-party-sobered-in-french-local-elections-1.281477

    Regarding the last article, nursery schools are mentioned. A nursery school in Lugrin caught fire. A mysterious fire also burned the mayor’s three cars. Political or personal — “accident” or not?

  • michael norton

    It was said, that it was suspected that there were more than one person involved.
    Probably because a shot gun and a bullet gun were used.
    I wonder how many people in Aiton prison immediately commit suicide, not many I’d bet?
    Seems rather suspicious.

  • Q

    On page 88 of “Vercors 1944: Resistance in the French Alps” by Peter Lieb, there is a map showing the retreat of the German army from the French Alps in 1944. This shows the route taken from Albertville to Bourg St-Maurice, to the south of Mont Blanc. It has occurred to me that the mountain people may have known not only where the Maquis cached their weapons (Montgirod, for example), but where the Germans left weapons as they retreated.

    There could be secrets still hidden in those mountains after all these years.

    This regiment held Annecy. Note the war crimes in Ugine.

    http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Polizei_Regiment_19&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dss%2Bpolizei%2Bregt%2B19%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D597

    http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Polizei_Regiment_19

  • michael norton

    I would consider it highly suspicious.

    Let’s step back a little and look at the Savoie and Haute-Savoie.
    Let’s take a time scale running in parrallel with the World Economic Crisis.
    (Which is certainly affecting France.)
    Which came to a head in 2008.

    The Maire of Doussard, Jean-Claude Deronzier, who is also the president of Faverges, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faverges#mediaviewer/File:Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Faverges_%28entr%C3%A9e%29.JPG
    and chief majistrate of the area, falls off a local cliff, nothing further is said in public?
    A car in reverse gear with the engine running is apparently found with three adult occupants double tapped and shot in the chest.
    A local cyclist is adjacent with seven bullet wounds, a child is shot and bashed.
    On the same day a previous husband of one of the victims is also found dead in his car with the engine running – on a different continent, he is not given an autopsy?
    A few day later “Twig” drives his car down an embankment, whilst sitting in the back seat and is found dead, we are not told what he was doing or who was previously with him?
    The home of the Communal-Tournier’s in home-jacked ( the son’s of Mr.Deronzier are married to the daughter’s of Mr.C-T.
    Nicole is shot dead in her own home, this happens one week after the E-Fit is released?
    A man who may have been having a liason with the sister of Sylvain Mollier is found shot dead in his flat, yet six months later this man’s name is not made public,
    even though it has been said it was most likely suicide?
    A person is hurled down a gorge and drowned, then clibs up the cliff and hangs itself, yet no name is given.

    All these events in this area but officially not connected?

  • michael norton

    I expect I left relevant stuff out,
    like the fact that Sylvain Mollier is pivotal in all this:
    He is related to Mr. Communal-Tournier;
    he works in the Nuclear Industry,
    yet we have not been told officially what work he does
    or why he was on a three year break;
    we have not been told his back story;
    what is the significance of the suicided eXparatrooper/mountainman/legionnair/Sapeur-Pompier
    who was involved with the sister of Sylvain;
    what weapon or weapons was used to kill the Mollier family aquaintance,
    why no recent photograph of Sylvain, when one has been supplied for Mr.&Mrs.al-Hilli,
    why no photograh at all of Mrs. al-Hilli’s mother;
    what is the significance of putting Eric Maillaud in charge of all these unexplained deaths?

  • michael norton

    The first death in this sequence

    is the unexplained death of the Maire of Doussard Jean-Claude Deronzier
    in 2009.

    Why is so little publicly known about his death,
    which I think is significant.

    If we could find motives for Mr. Deronzier’s death,
    it may well open up the underlying reasons for the following
    unexplained murders in this part of Eastern France.

  • Q

    Don’t you think it odd that a Jean Claude Deronzier holds this patent:

    http://www.google.ca/patents/US3878885

    How many can there be, connected to Ugine?

    I don’t know if this paper on desalination plants is connected to him:

    http://www.lenntech.com/abstracts/347/experimentation-and-modelling-of-an-innovative-geothermal-desalination-unit.html

    There is someone with the same surname here:

    http://patentsobserver.com/public/author/show.action?toShow=DERONZIER+ALAIN

    Back to JC:

    http://www.chasseursdesavoie.com/InfoliveDocuments/bulletin/chasser_81.pdf

    Another hunting club!

  • Tim Veater

    “Mr Hauteville was a keen hunter, and French police soon arrested and placed farmer Mr Cottet-Dumoulin under investigation.
    They lived in the same Alpine town – Lugrin – and were both hunters said to be in dispute over a number of issues, including some £12,000 which Mr Cottet-Dumoulin had lent Mr Hauteville.
    But today Mr Cottet-Dumoulin’s body was found hanging in his cell at Aiton Penitentiary, close to Albertville and Chambéry. Police said there were no suspicious circumstances.”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790143/hunter-held-connection-gun-murder-french-builder-50-miles-three-britons-shot-dead-dead.html#ixzz3G7tFYrCc
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    Now these two deaths could be totally unrelated to the Al Hilli saga despite certain similarities in the “modus operandi”. What similarities? Victim killed in car behind wheel. Engine still running. Shot in the head. Remote forest road. Money allegedly involved. In the same region of France. Eric Maillaud put in charge. Victim and alleged assailant similar age group. Forestry/farming connections. Gun/hunting involvement. “Respected” civil position. Suspect commits “suicide”.

    If unrelated, these similarities are strange to say the least.

    One of the strangest strangenesses (!) is the uncanny resemblance of the late Mr Cottet-Dumoulin’s facial features to that of the published “photo-fit” (that wasn’t actually a photo-fit) of the helmeted biker, introduced into the story belatedly (one year late) only as a result of the claimed ONF mole on the BBC Panorama programme. We have already had a lookalike in the arrested trained marksman Eric Devouassoux, 48.

    Does everyone in the Haute Savoie look alike?

    Then as you point out Michael Norton we had the case of the questioned suspect, ex-legionnaire, who although subsequently cleared of any connection to the Chevaline crime, was so disturbed by being questioned by police, that he shot himself after leaving a suicide note, the contents of which have never been revealed. EM (how he must question his role in life sometimes) incredibly wasn’t sure whether it was six or seven pages. Or was it seven or eight – I can’t now precisely recall? Even more amazingly the police statement that there were signs of an altercation at the scene caused not a moments hesitation in Eric’s mind that just possibly foul play was involved. Even before the forensics were in, he had determined this was definitely suicide. These tough Legionnaires obviously have a very sensitive side!

    Now returning to the recent death in prison custody of Cottet-Dumoulin, we have to ask how was it allowed to happen. It is internationally acknowledged that the state has a duty of care in such situations. Was he considered a suicide risk? Was he under observation and how? How long before he was discovered? Who entered his cell and when? What records are required and kept in his case? How come in a prison used to such things, was a suitable ligature available? Who discovered him and what resuscitation techniques were applied if any? What post mortem tests/examinations as to cause or chemicals?

    All these questions need to be answered but will they. Any murder/suicide requires them. The fact that these events cannot be separated from the Chevaline ones until proved otherwise, makes it even more imperative. We are all aware that in any conspiracy to kill, particularly if these are initiated by state organisations, not only the victim target is at risk but also witnesses who might give away sensitive information, know anything about the operation, as well as the assassins themselves, are at great risk. That the recent fatalities and earlier ones might fall into one or more of these categories cannot be ruled out, as Eric appears to be able to do with such confidence.

    Are the French interested/concerned? I somehow doubt it. More likely a Gallic shrug of the shoulders and “c’est la vie”, or more appropriately, “c’est la mort”! Where official channels of investigation appear to be so incompetent and unsuccessful, alternative ones appear to be the only hope. It would be a very brave newspaper or private investigator who would risk his life looking into this corrupt and dangerous world, so we should not hold our breaths. Only a huge French or British outcry with the outrageous situation is might get results, and how likely is that?

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  • Q

    JC Deronzier the inventor was one busy bee. Check out his seven patents on IPEXL. Microwaves? The one registered in Canada mentions Atomic Energy France. So was the late mayor of Doussard a researcher at a certain Ugine lab? Was his sudden demise an accident, really? It’s highly suspicious that Sylvain Mollier and Said al-Hilli were together when they were murdered. Was the late JC known to both?

  • Q

    There is also a Michel Brun, inventor, in the same field. Ring any bells?

    The assignee on one of JC Deronzier’s patents is France’s atomic energy body. So how did he fall off a cliff, if this is the same man? (And I think it is.)

  • Q

    Pechiney Ugine-Kuhlman is a uranium ore processor with interests in Niger. Is this our link to JC Deronzier, and a bigger picture?

  • JorgenNielsen

    Kuhlman absolutely, definetely a Jewish name. Don’t get me started about Uranium, Niger, and Iraq, which Israel and its lobby wanted to attack so badly.

  • michael norton

    Pechiney Ugine Kuhlmann

    a French monopoly in the metallurgical and chemical industries.

    In 1971, Ugine-Kuhlmann merged with the Pechiney firm, which specialized in nonferrous metallurgy; thus, Pechiney Ugine Kuhlmann, the largest Western European aluminum company, was formed. In the mid-1970’s the company controlled approximately 10 percent of the production of primary aluminum in the capitalist world and 80 percent of the production of dyes in France; it had a corner on approximately 75 percent of the aluminum market, 70 percent of the copper market, and 65 percent of the stainless steel market. More than 55 percent of its production capacity is located outside of France. The company extracts bauxite in France, Greece, the USA, and certain African countries.

    In 1976, Pechiney Ugine Kuhlmann had a turnover of $4.7 billion, and it employed 97,000 persons.

  • michael norton

    Yes the similarities and the differences.
    s1 same prosecuter d1 four corpses, as against one corpse
    d2 only one weapon, as against two weapons
    s2 all had chest shots d3 scene found by Ex-RAF man, ordinary man
    s3 all had head shots d4 villain found
    s4 driver at the wheel d5 weapons found
    s5 engine running d villain suicides
    s6 vehicle in reverse gear
    s7 semi remote wooded area crime scene

  • michael norton

    Of course Sylvain Mollier would have known
    the Maire of Doussard Jean-Claude Deronzier,
    J-C was also the President of Faverges
    as well as being the chief majistrate of the area
    but JC was also a cyclist as is his wife.

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