Not Forgetting the al-Hillis 22281

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The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.

Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:

the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?

The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.

Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:

Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.

There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.

But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.

The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?

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  • michael norton

    Q

    14Oct 2.59pm

    well if it is the same Jean-Claude Deronzier he was living working in Gieres, which is slightly to the West of Grenoble, close to the universities, also not too far from Doussard.

    [ METHOD FOR CAUSING CONDENSATION lN DROPS 0N HEAT EXCHANGER TUBES [75] Inventors: Jean Claude Deronzier, Gieres;

  • Q

    @MN: We found Molliers at the University of Grenoble, too. Given the JC Deronzier research, it is likely that there is a connection between Alain and JC. How many JC Deronziers could there be in this area?
    I think the researcher JC and former Doussard mayor are likely one and the same, but I cannot prove this. The locals would know. The nuclear angle to this story is back on the table.

  • Tim Veater

    Perhaps a reminder of French justice is in order from Q’s ref above:

    “The case Alègre custody of shadows. The murders were reported as suicides by the police to the arrest of Alegre. Several witnesses said the killer has long been protected by the police and by the senior magistrate Pierre Roche. Former Constable Roussel are 191 unsolved murders in the area. The organization Stop oblivion brings together victims’ families, who continue to demand the truth about the case, citing “disappearances, assassinations and suicide disguised as surveys these truncated, distorted, sloppy, etc. ”

    Not finding or prosecuting murderers and subsequently finding the accusers or otherwise in the know, dead nothing unusual apparently, not to mention letting the criminal escape by helicopter.

  • Tim Veater

    Did anyone else notice that in talking about Ebola, Obama (how easy it is to get confused with names – not forgetting Boko Arama-drama) referred to the need for “swat-teams” to move in wherever a case appeared? Was this just a Freudian slip or is this part of some dubious plan for further controls/marshal law? It’s interesting how our Foreign Secretary (ex-Defence Minister) Hammond is using not-unlike phraseology, albeit toned down. ISIS and Ebola, whatever else you say about them, has certainly provided a convenient excuse for Britain to actively engage in two foreign parts, training and weaponising the Kurds in Iraq (our NATO “partners” Turkey non too keen on that as they treat them as “terrorists”) and sending troops and navy to West Africa, ostensibly to deal with the Ebola threat. Rather amazingly, both these areas are of course important oil producers.

  • Tim Veater

    From that one of yours Michael Norton
    16 Oct, 2014 – 4:02 pm

    “If there is no temperature there is no risk of contagion,” Health Minister Marisol Touraine told LCI television on Thursday.”

    Very iffy advice I would say. The disease has an incubation period of two or three weeks, although when the fever symptom evidence themselves death can be very swift (within 24 hrs) It is undoubtedly and potentially another “black death” if it were to get a hold. I suppose given our advanced scientific knowledge and treatment both effective vaccine and treatment may come on stream. In the meantime “primitive”, poor Africa is likely to be affected disproportionately.

    So this case illustrates some of the difficulty. The potential for contagion prior to symptoms; the huge number of people that can be unwittingly exposed during this time; and indirect travel routes making checking and quarantine procedures very difficult. When everyone travelled by steamer there was usually plenty of time for infectious diseases to show themselves. In a time of air travel this is no longer the case raising the risk. Medical checks on entry to a country, though desirable given the dangerous nature of the disease, cannot provide protection.

    Checks before boarding flights would be marginally more useful. Two weeks quarantine either before or after or a combination of the two, may become necessary despite the huge disruption and inconvenience it would cause. Given its character, it must be imperative to prevent it getting a hold here or anywhere other than it is already established. Bearing down on it in W Africa is an obvious priority.

    Although we are told it is contagious not infectious (direct contact with body fluids required) this is hardly any consolation given the virulent nature of the agent, able to still infect despite strenuous precautions in a modern isolation setting. If it can infect there, it can infect anywhere.

  • michael norton

    How many weeks would it take Eric Maillud to determine the identity of a man thrown down
    Les Gorges du Fier,
    about three miles from The Annecy police station?

  • michael norton

    The suspect was identified by bullet fragments found during the autopsy and socket discovered it six months after the events with the help of a metal detector.
    http://www.ledauphine.com/france-monde/2014/10/16/affaire-marcel-desbiolles-un-suspect-mis-en-examen

    Yesterday a 32 year old male was referred and indicted for manslaughter in connection with the Marcel Desbiolles case.

    Indicted late Wednesday morning after a prolonged detention of 48 hours, the suspect arrested in connection with the Marcel Desbiolles case, was put on probation. “He is a man perfectly inserted,” the prosecutor, Eric Maillaud.

    Aged 32, Matthew Voisin remains in Chablais, he is an employee of the company Evian mineral water and practice regular hunting.

  • michael norton

    Matthew Voisin, the shooter lives in Bellevaux, Haute-Savoie
    ( The arrested man claims not to have noticed anything for two and a half years?)
    http://www.francebleu.fr/infos/infos/haute-savoie-un-meurtre-elucide-plus-de-2-ans-apres-les-faits-1856322

    During his recent 42 hours in custody, the alleged murderer of Marcel Desbiolles told the police that during two and a half years,
    despite numerous press articles on this news item
    “At no time did he make the connection.”

    investigation was based specifically on ammunition used,
    unusual, long distance balls?

    This is very close to the murder of the carpenter in his boxer van,
    where the alleged shooter then committed suicide in custody?

    It would seem this person has been arrested, after the recent murder has taken place.
    Note Eric Maillud, again

  • Q

    @ Michael Norton: Oops, the range is closed. Better fire off a fews rounds in someone’s yard. A story that’s harder to swallow than Evian Water.

  • michael norton

    http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/c6c4e834-bcad-11e1-94e6-c43e25c2bf42/Meurtres_dans_les_jardins_du_Chablais

    Haute-Savoie samedi 23 juin 2012

    Peaceful hamlets near Thonon-les-Bains was the scene of three murders and one attempt. Any shooters targeting retirees. No link has yet been established between these cases

    He sweats, press hard on the pedals, nods. The road to the Hermitage, above Thonon, is steep. “The Road Map-Cabaret, you know?” No sorry to put a foot down, the cyclist, 70, says he knows because he lives in Lonnaz, a hamlet above. “You come for the murder? Since this dirty business, I do not lag behind in my garden, I ride my bike, it’s less dangerous “He looks at the lake in the distance, shrouded in mist.” Marcel, I saw him once in a while, a man without stories, a bon vivant who had his hand on the heart. It’s a crazy who killed, there is no other explanation “He cycles and runs.” Do not write my name, everyone is afraid here. ”

    Monday, May 14, 2012, around 16h, Desbiolles Marcel, 76, retired Stationery Geneva, was hit in the chest by a bullet while gardening. He died a week later. The mystery remains to this day total. His family, wife, children, grandchildren, are walled in silence.

    Path Plan-Cabaret, a dozen houses are alike, grass, closed shutters. The son of the electric bell of Desbiolles are torn, to deter journalists. What’s happening on the mountains of Chablais? It’s an old lady – she also did not give his name – met her at the butcher of Armoy, the large town from above, who replies: “The newspapers are saying that there is a serial killer draws on pensioners home, four or five people in all, it traumatized us. ”

    Specifically, four victims of snipers. A series that began in 1995 by Pierre Marchal, shot him in the back, at his home in Lugrin near Evian. Then Jean-Pierre Mayor, sixty, in October 2009 target of two shots to ten days apart at his home in Post. He survived. Then Jacky Meynet, 60, was killed May 16 by a bullet in the neck while he was dining in the kitchen in Champanges. Finally Marcel Desbiolles. The brigade search Chambery, investigating, is tight-lipped.

  • michael norton

    I am not suggesting any of these murders has any thing to do with what happened up at The Slaughter of the Horses in 2012 but it is a bloody frightening place to live, local nutters for local murders.

  • michael norton

    If Eric Maillaud lived in Liverpool,
    I doubt he would have to sort out quite so many murders/manslaughters/suicides in such a short timescale, I am beginning to glimpse what he is up against
    but does he not have some body else who could take the pressure off him?

  • michael norton

    Hmmmn:
    Well the first in this sequence is said by the locals to be Pierre Marchal,
    shot on his property in October 2009.
    Just a cotton picking moment
    http://www.libramemoria.com/avis/le-dauphine/haute-savoie/2009/10/20/avis-jean-claude-deronzier?Page=2

    “Our” sequence also started in October 2009!!!

    Not only that Pierre Marchal was shot a minute distance away from where the most recent murder occurred of Jean-François Hauteville.

    I smell co-joined sequences!!!

  • michael norton

    I hope the 32 year old man who worrks for Evian water does not hang himself over the next few days, that would be too much of a coinsidence— even for Eric Maillaud.

  • michael norton

    Sorry, a couple of decades out with the murder of Pierre Marchal
    the eX-Chief Inspector of Evian.

  • Tim Veater

    An interesting development that SAH might have been aware of. Its precise roll is still not known by the general public but it must have been doing something in two years circling the earth, presumably piloted by a couple of humans?

    “The X-37B program has been an orphan of sorts, bouncing since its inception in 1999 between several federal agencies, Nasa among them. It now resides under the air force’s rapid capabilities office.

    The plane that landed Friday is one of two built by Boeing. This is the program’s third mission, and began in December 2012.

    The plane stands 9.5ft tall and is just over 29ft long, with a wingspan under 15ft. It weighs 11,000lbs and has solar panels that unfurl to charge its batteries once in orbit.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/17/secret-space-plane-us-air-force-x37b-lands-california?CMP=fb_gu

  • Tim Veater

    Sorry it’s unmanned (silly me) as per following:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_X-37

    Of course it only goes to prove the Americans can fly a plane in space and bring it safely down to earth without a pilot. It was made by Boeing with links to Chevaline actors and to MH370 of course.

  • michael norton

    http://www.letemps.ch/Page/Uuid/c6c4e834-bcad-11e1-94e6-c43e25c2bf42/Meurtres_dans_les_jardins_du_Chablais

    This link has now decided to occlude itself behind a paywall for me.

    Specifically, four victims of snipers. A series that began in 1995 by Pierre Marchal, shot him in the back, at his home in Lugrin near Evian. Then Jean-Pierre Mayor, sixty, in October 2009 target of two shots to ten days apart at his home in Post. He survived. Then Jacky Meynet, 60, was killed May 16 by a bullet in the neck while he was dining in the kitchen in Champanges. Finally Marcel Desbiolles. The brigade search Chambery, investigating, is tight-lipped.

    Does anybody know anything about this Jean-Pierre, who it claims was shot twice but srvived, he, it seems was targetted in October 2009, same time as Jean-Claude Deronzier,
    from Doussard.

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