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In the week they took hundreds of pounds from people in severe poverty, MPs and Lords claim up to £3,750 each to return from their luxury holidays to spout off in honour of Margaret Thatcher. Meantime the media are busy classifying any potential protest or expression of opinion at the taxpayer funded funeral jamboree as “potential terrorism”.

Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question. But there is no question it is perfectly lawful. There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.


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  • technicolour

    “It is irresponsible of anyone to run a mainstream political blog without reasonable moderation.”

    What is ‘mainstream’, and what is ‘reasonable’? Are you exercised about the content (which is be perfectly understandable); or about the context? Would it be ‘permissable’ if this were a minority blog?

    As you’ve said, there’s nothing at all in CM’s posts or responses which suggests he endorses such stuff, in fact, absolutely the reverse. And the same holds true for the majority of posters here.

  • Anon

    Technicolour,

    I don’t believe Craig or the majority of posters here endorse such views. That said Craig’s treatment of the blog has been strange recently. But, as I said, it should be up to the police to sort it out as it is very clearly a police matter. I can’t leave it alone just because I think he might be a troll or provocateur. It would be better if Craig would simply say he has taken action he considers appropriate. But silence as usual so far,

  • Dreoilin

    This blog still has a moderator.
    Where is Jon? That’s what I’d like to know.
    Jon was doing a very good job in the past.

  • crab

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/feb/15/media-campaign-windfarms-conservatives
    Media campaign against windfarms funded by anonymous conservatives

    Secretive funding network channelled millions to stop state governments moving towards renewable energy

    “Promising anonymity to their conservative billionaire patrons, the trusts between them channelled nearly $120m to contrarian thinktanks and activists, wrecking the chances of getting Congress to act on climate change.”

  • crab

    http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/04/17/anonymous-raises-54798-through-indiegogo-to-kickstart-its-dedicated-news-site-for-youranonnews/

    An Indiegogo campaign set up by Anonymous to expand its news coverage through a dedicated site, rather than its existing Twitter and Tumblr services, has closed with over $54,798 in crowd-sourced funding.

    Anonymous launched the project with an initial funding target of $2,000, which the hacktivist collective said will be used to fund parts of the development process and initial hosting.

    The news site will be used to bring together breaking news, reports and blogs from independent reporters online under its Your Anon News branding.

  • Dreoilin

    If you search Google for the Irish Times + Thatcher, this is the first result that comes up

    “Thatcher: ‘The Irish are all liars’

    Irish Times ‎- 12 hours ago
    Former Northern Ireland secretary Peter Mandelson said today the only thing Margaret Thatcher ever told him was that the Irish were “all liars” …”

    but when you click the link you get this

    “irishtimes.com

    404. That’s an error.

    The requested URL was not found on this server.”

    I wonder why it was pulled?

  • Cryptonym

    It has been widely purported that Anonymous was/is an Israeli group; the recent widely reported ‘attack’ on Israeli computer networks by this group, has revealed nothing, inconvenienced that apartheid state negligibly or at all, in fact it amounted largely to a PR stunt, it all seems a bit too cosy that when their cover is blown, such a clumsy, indirect and ineffectual ruse serves as a denial or negation of extant suspicion. If that is the case then they shouldn’t need any funding from public appeals to continue serving whichever state’s insecurity services yank their strings, the US taxpayer would ultimately pick up the tab.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Conflict

    Hover over the double arrow Dreoilin >> and you will see the Irish Times page where former Northern Irish secretary Peter Mandelson said, ” ..the only thing Margaret Thatcher ever told him was that the Irish were all liars and not to be trusted.”

  • Habbabkuk

    From Doug Scorgie at 20h23 (in reply to Giles) :

    “What the fuck are you ranting on about?

    The only thing Margaret Thatcher took head-on was Denis Thatcher’s cock (apologies to the faint hearted).”

    ——–

    The above is the sort of filth which would no longer appear on this blog if I were moderating it.

  • crab

    I dont think anonymous has a strong Israeli contingent. It does seem difficult to fund and operate a news network anonymously ,the opportunity seems to have spawned unexpectedly from the smaller funding request from a particular channel -or ‘cell’ in computer terror hack crime speak.

  • Jives

    Giles at 7.32pm.

    What a frankly absurd and myopic post.

    Thatcher’s legacy had a natural continuum through,Major,New Labour and our current mob.

    If she won the arguments then why,after 34 years,is the country still ravaged by debt,unemploment,the widening of the gap between rich/poor,child poverty and the banker’s abysmal casino capitalism?

    Are you seriously suggesting she won the arguments?

    Get a grip man.

  • Richard II

    @Dreoilin, just Google for a Torygraph article entitled:

    “Lady Thatcher warned the Irish are ‘all liars’, says Lord Mandelson”

    LADY effing THATCHER; LORD effing MANDELSON.

    What a stinking country with its ladies and lords and kings and queens.

    LORD SIR LADY KING QUEEN BARONESS BARON MANDELSON said:

    “She said I’ve got one thing to say to you, my boy. She said, you can’t trust the Irish they’re all liars, she said, liars, and that’s what you have to remember so just don’t forget it.

    My mother is Irish!

    Up yours, Thatcher – let’s hope death isn’t the end. Even in our high-tech world, scientists still can’t explain how matter – how particles moving about! – create conscious experience: colour, sound, flavours, pain, sense of self, etc.

    Life is short. All these evil c*nts will die one day. At least Shakespeare had the honesty to acknowledge that NO ONE knows what happens after we pop our clogs:

    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    But that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscover’d country from whose bourn
    No traveller returns, puzzles the will
    And makes us rather bear those ills we have
    Than fly to others that we know not of?

    Britain today: utterly crap!

    SORRY, CRAIG, IF THAT DOESN’T MEET WITH YOUR APPROVAL. I HAVEN’T FORGOTTEN YOU ATTACKING ME FOR NOT BLABBERING ON LIKE YOU ABOUT HOW SODDING WONDERFUL BRITIAN IS: playing cricket and “the sound of leather against willow”.

    Like everyone involved in politics, you only care about yourself.

    And your death will come soon enough. SO PONDER THAT INSTEAD OF ATTACKING PEOPLE FOR NO REASON.

    YOU’RE MORTAL, NOT A GOD!

  • Cryptonym

    Mark G @ 11:53 pm

    No thanks, on the email. I have seen enough claims that all is not what it seems with this group, to enforce some skepticism on their objectives or motives, this recent cyber-kerfuffle fizzled out with no-one any the wiser and suspicion not lessened but heightened -though the group’s statement was quite strong, they seemed painful truths the Israeli state slickly and routinely evades, assisted discreditably by our msm. I wouldn’t be sure of trusting easily an anonymous news source, for the simple reason of its very anonymity; at least with the slimy mogul mainstream outlets, error, malign disinformation and ceaseless noise are all there is to them -knowing this and treating it all as just so much tripe, comes naturally to all in time.

  • King of Nothing

    The BBC have-your-say on the thatcher funeral was shut down – after 666 comments. Surely a coincidence.

  • BrianFujisan

    A Libyan Twitter user touched a nerve—and received thousands of retweets and worldwide media coverage—by tweeting “Please don’t be a ‘Muslim.’” The backlash began shortly thereafter, with the New York Post falsely implying that a Saudi national was being questioned for his possible role in the attack. The next day, a plane departing Boston Logan Airport returned to the gate and two passengers were forcibly removed because they had been overheard speaking Arabic before takeoff.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-boston-bombings-in-context-how-the-fbi-fosters-funds-and-equips-american-terrorists/5331872

  • Jemand

    Re The Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 (ie Outlawing Emotions Act)

    “The bill contains wording to amend the Public Order Act 1986: 
    Section 29A Meaning of “religious hatred” In this Part “religious hatred” means hatred against a group of persons defined by reference to religious belief or lack of religious belief
    Section 29B: (1) A person who uses threatening words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, is guilty of an offence if he intends thereby to stir up religious hatred.”

    “Critics of the Bill (before the amendments noted below, adding the requirement for the intention of stirring up hatred) asserted that the Act would make major religious works such as the Bible and the Qur’an illegal in their current form in the UK.”
    . . . . 

    So the bill was amended to protect religions (primarily Christianity and Islam) from valid accusations that they incite hatred towards atheists and members of other religions. How convenient. For a successful prosecution against a preacher who incites followers to hate atheists, it would need to be proven that he had an intention to incite hatred by using threatening language. Intention can be a very hard thing to prove when the only evidence is a bunch of words, often spoken in a foreign language with manifold interpretations and a defence that posits an unintended misspeaking by the defendent.

    This law is an empty gesture.

    As posted by Anon, above –
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_and_Religious_Hatred_Act_2006

  • guano

    Cryptonym

    ‘Your version of islam, what you say you’ve become, is one where what a person thinks or does is not important, the measure of their worth or merit is their religious purity, with you alone as the main arbiter of who is true or otherwise,…’

    It’s a tenet of the Islam mof the Gospels and the Qur’an that what you have in your heart, what you believe, is what produces your thoughts and actions. So if you believe that God is in charge of everything, and that God can help you and others can not, it brings you straight up to the nub of your problems.

    The Qur’an states that it is not the Mujahid that kills the enemy but Allah kills them. That’s a difficult concept and it’s very different from your description of tanked-up trigger-happy Muslims in Syria.

    They have established that their cause is just: Assad and his uncle has murdered and tortured millions, and he poses as a Muslim in order to fool the Sunni Muslim majority when in fact the Alawi sect has been recognised for centuries as no part at all of Islam.

    Maybe you are envious of the fact that religionists can take direct action while most of us remain paralysed. Please note that the justification for this direct action is based not just on the falsity of the Alawi beliefs but also on the Assad dictatorships’ cruelty. That’s not Muslims making themselves the sole arbiters over others. There are 2 criteria,neither from one’s own mind: 1/ The teaching of the Qur’an and 2/The evidence of history/now.

  • Komodo

    Paul Flynn – April 11th>

    “There is great respect for Margaret Thatcher as a political personality, and history will judge her as a great Prime Minister. Many of her attributes that have been described today will be seen by most people here as great virtues. Her role was to alter the appearance and persona of England—rather than Wales or Scotland —in the world, but there has been a cost to that. The cost of punching above our weight militarily is that we spend beyond our interests and we die beyond our responsibilities.

    There are two deaths that we should be talking about today. Of course we should be talking about Mrs Thatcher, but we should also mention Lance Corporal Jamie Webb of 1st Battalion the Mercian Regiment. He was 24, and he died on 25 March. He was repatriated to this country last Thursday. I do not know whether anyone saw any publicity about that, or whether any attention was paid to the event. He was the 441st of our soldiers to die in the Afghan war. I have visited Brize Norton and seen the sensitively conceived arrangements there. I cannot think of any way in which they could bring greater comfort to the bereaved families of those who have fallen in the name of this country, but I am afraid that the way in which the processions now take place has been designed to avoid drawing attention to these tragedies. Today, along with that of Margaret Thatcher, we should remember the names of the 441 who died for their country, one of whom was Jamie Webb. We should remember their sacrifice and reflect on the fact that the spirit that leads us to punch above our weight often has tragic consequences.”

  • Habbabkuk

    re Peter Mandelson quoting Mrs Thatcher on the Irish (“they are all liars”) :

    As Kempe has already hinted, I would take anything Peter Mandelson said with a barrow-load of salt.

    Can those determined to do the dirt on Mrs Thatcher really not find anything better than this….?

  • Abe Rene

    @King of Nothing ..666..Surely a coincidence..

    Well, if we’re being going to be made to choose between martyrdom or taking a brand of allegiance (or injected chip, more likely) to some Kim Wrong Un, perhaps outwardly a handsome prodigy who has risen spectacularly among political elites, seizes international political control following a period of chaos, we should be prepared.

    I recommend the film ‘Six: the mark unleashed’ starring Stephen Baldwin.

  • John Goss

    Komodo, Paul Flynn is right about the deaths of British servicemen, not just in Afghanistan, but in all imperialist wars, Falklands, Iraq, Libya, and in all the other evil coups aimed at overthrowing legitimate governments, by, for example the CIA, but more topically by the convicted criminal, Mark Thatcher, who sought to overthrow Equatorial Guinea. These people are scum. And wasting public money on burying them is diabolical.

    Some on this blog should consider the above before eulogising over their heroes and heroines.

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