Crass 868

In the week they took hundreds of pounds from people in severe poverty, MPs and Lords claim up to £3,750 each to return from their luxury holidays to spout off in honour of Margaret Thatcher. Meantime the media are busy classifying any potential protest or expression of opinion at the taxpayer funded funeral jamboree as “potential terrorism”.

Whether protest at the funeral is tasteful or not is a fair question. But there is no question it is perfectly lawful. There is virtually no understanding of the very notion of civil liberty in the mainstream media.

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  • Komodo

    I thought this was particularly telling, John –
    “I am afraid that the way in which the processions now take place has been designed to avoid drawing attention to these tragedies.”

    These people were entitled to a military funeral…

    Re. “Irish liars” I have to ask myself whether Mandelson is a truthful person and whether I can believe a word he says. The answer is a resounding “No, no, no.” Quite apart from that, would an experienced and savvy Tory politician have given a hostage to fortune like that to a known slimeball and opportunist on the other side? I don’t think so.

  • Dreoilin

    “I am afraid that the way in which the processions now take place has been designed to avoid drawing attention to these tragedies.”

    Always proceeding towards the American way …

  • Anon

    ‘Like a nuclear bomb’: Deadly fertilizer plant blast devastates Texas town

    (CNN) — The full extent of the devastation will have to wait until the light of day Thursday. But residents of the small Texas town of West already know what to expect.

    “There are a lot of people that got hurt,” West Mayor Tommy Muska forewarned Wednesday night. “There are a lot of people that will not be here tomorrow.”

    A massive explosion at a fertilizer plant on the edge of the town killed at least two people, wounded more than 150, leveled dozens of homes and prompted authorities to evacuate half their community of 2,800.

    “It was a like a nuclear bomb went off,” Muska said. “Big old mushroom cloud.”

  • Habbabkuk

    @ John Goss :

    When you say “these people are scum” and then go on to say that it’s a waste of public money to bury them, I suppose you’re referring to Mrs Thatcher.

    If you are, then you’ll be aware that two of the examples you cite – Iraq and Libya – are somewhat after Mrs Thatcher’s time. The third example – the Falklands – can hardly be classed as an “imperialist war” unless of course you’re referring to the imperialism of the charming Argentinan junta led by the egregious General Galtieri.

    As to Equatorial Guinea, you’d do well to read up on that charming country and its even more charming dictator of the time.

    I’ve said it again and I’ll say it again : if you go around in real life spouting the same sort of nonsense as you do on this blog you will not win converts to your points of view but merely put people off. But I suppose you know that already.

  • Habbabkuk

    @ John Goss (08h56) :

    I’m rather dubious – to put it mildly – about the news you bring us that both President Obama and his wife surrendered their licences to practise law in order to avoid criminal charges.

    The link you supply is to a website of uncertain purpose run by a person of uncertain status; furthermore, the links given in that article either don’t work or get one no further. So the article is mainly one of assertions with no backup.

    Perhaps more importantly, I seem to remember that Republicans and others of that persuasion spent considerable time and effort to dig up the dirt on Obama before both of the last two Presidental elections. I somehow doubt that they would have overlooked something as obvious as your “source” is now claiming, don’t you?

    So I wonder why you posted it?

  • Anon is a disinfo site run by Internet hoaxer Sorcha Fall (David Booth)

  • Anon

    So the bill was amended to protect religions (primarily Christianity and Islam) from valid accusations that they incite hatred towards atheists and members of other religions.

    Most of the language in the Bible they were worried about is in the pre-Christian bit at the start.

    None of the amendments protect English Knight.

  • Mark Golding - Children of Conflict

    I wonder if agent Cameron will go to the George W Bush Presidential center dedication on April 25th? Might make a nice jolly for him. He could also visit nearby Pantex.

    Pantex began life as an industrial behemoth that employed thousands of workers to assemble nuclear bombs. It now disassembles the bombs and stores their highly radioactive plutonium pits in old bunkers on the property putting surrounding livestock, crops, rural residents and future children in jeopardy of environmental pollution for generations.

  • Jemand

    The US political system has lost all moral credibility on the subject of domestic terrorism. While the country loses over 30,000 of its citizens to gun violence every year, it has lost somewhere around 30 per year to terrorism since, and including, the events of 9/11. Attempts at gun control regularly fail despite many massacres, the latest at Sandy Hook which resulted in 20+ deaths, mostly children. I wonder how the US politicians who voted down the latest gun control bill will respond to the bombings in Boston.

    Gun Control Bill Fails –

    Gun Deaths vs Terrorism

  • Komodo

    Thatcher (‘Barking’ Mark): I see the deeply humanitarian replacement dictator Mark had in mind for Equatorial Guinea recently pulled six months in a Spanish nick for shipping arms to the EG rebels. Here-

    Though we can be quite sure, since Mark was involved, that democratic elections would have been held had the coup succeeded…indeed, Moto would have privatised the railways, sold the council shanties, set up a banking centre and peace and prosperity would have blessed EG for evermore. Just like here, only more so.

  • Komodo

    The Ritz Hotel (props; the Barclay Bros of Sark fame), where Thatch spent her declining months, apparently for free, has paid no corporation tax for 17 years, according to ‘Private Eye’ today.

  • John Goss

    Habbabkuk @ 11.11 am. The Thatcher’s are scum. They rose to the top on a platform of dirty-deals all concerned with money and many concerned with illegal arms deals. You might think it is right to depose a legitimate government but how would you feel if it happened to your government?

  • Habbabkuk

    @ John Goss + Komodo re. Equatorial Guinea :

    I fully accept that the proposed replacement for the then mad dictator wouldn’t pass too close scrutiny either. But I think it’s fair to say that that the mad dictator was a particularly vile specimen of the species and that few, whether inside EG or elsewhere, would have mourned his passing.

    As to the point about deposing a “legitimate government : your point would be more valid if it were really the case of a legitimate government, but I have some doubts as to whether the mad dictator’s set-up could have been classified as such.

  • Habbabkuk

    re. the Obamas and their licences to practice law :

    thank you to Anon for that take on the website

    re. John Goss’ comment – I’m not going to read the article given in your link again, but speaking from memory one or two of the things said might be correct, eg the bit about Obama having mixed up the declaration of independence and the constitution. But I’m still fairly sure that ther claim that the Obamas were facing legal action is a canard.

  • Habbabkuk

    Article 87 a) of the Code on Political Musicology (or is that Musical Politology):

    1 Mendelsohn = an infinity of Mandelsons.

  • Anon

    Keeping this in the old thread

    Some of the people in the 4chan photos with earphones and backpacks appear to be (or are pretending to be) employees of “Craft Security”

    Motto “Despite what your momma told you… Violence does solve problems.”

  • Herbie

    Habbakuk begs:

    “Can those determined to do the dirt on Mrs Thatcher really not find anything better than this….?”

    Here’s quite a comprehensive account of her crimes against humanity, and notice that she very enthusiastically goes well beyond the call of duty…

    “But Thatcher’s arming and funding of the Iraqi tyrant at the height of his criminality is only the tip of a very bloody iceberg.”

  • Habbabkuk

    @ Exexpat :

    “Something for you habbacock (aka the barnacle on the ship of humanity)”


    If I’m the banarcle then you’re something nasty in the bilge water.


    Seriously, though : why should the article you link to be of interest to me? After all, judging from your posts, it’s you and like-minded posters who seem to be obsessed with Mossad.

  • John Goss

    Michael Culver, you’re welcome Sir. I know this might upset a few, and there may be sound valid reasons, other than trolling, as to why some remain incognito, but it’s actually good to have people who are not ashamed to write under their own names. It’s nearly always the principled ones who do.

  • Habbabkuk

    @ Herbie :

    Thanks for that interesting link. It has the merit of providing a concrete underpinning for criticising Mrs Thatcher’s actions. Unlike the silly post I was castigating earlier on, part of my answer to which you quoted.

    Look, I think the point about Mrs Thatcher was that she was certainly no saint and certainly not perfect in her actions, whether on the domestic front or in terms of foreign policy; no sensible person could – or should – claim that. But it is equally pointless and foolish to go to the other extreme and cast her in the rôle of the Devil incarnate (again, on both the domestic and foreign fronts). Like most politicians – or for that matter people – she was a mixed bag.

    I could of course write more but hey, there’s a new thread and so I’m going to leave it at that.

  • A Node

    Bill Still has just been deleted from Wikipedia for the 3rd time. A separate page on his award winning documentary “The Secret of Oz” has also been deleted. His other documentary “The Money Masters” is in the process of being deleted (
    I think he has been deleted because his financial theories question the role of bankers in world history. Wikipedia says he has been deleted because he is not noteworthy enough.

    Timmy Mallet is deemed noteworthy enough to have a Wikipedia page.
    Presidential candidate (2012) Bill Stills isn’t.
    Let’s compare their achievements:

    Bill Still is a movie producer and author with over 130,000 copies in print whose ideas for monetary reform are supported by economists such as Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman, Joseph Farah (founder and CEO of WorldNetDaily), Peter Schiff (President of Euro-Pacific Capital), Byron Dale (author and monetary reform expert), Ellen Brown (author ‘Web of Debt’), James Robertson (head of the Inter-Bank Research Organization, author), Prof. Nick Tideman (VA Tech University School of Economics), Prof. Michael Hudson (President of The Institute for the Study of Long-Term Economic Trends, Distinguished Research Professor of Economics at the University of Missouri, Kansas City and author of Super-Imperialism: The Economic Strategy of American Empire), and Prof. Quentin Taylor (professor of political science at Rogers State University). Bill Still stood (unsuccessfully!) as a Libertarian candidate in the 2012 US presidential primaries.

    His movies have won a number of awards, in particular ‘The Secret of Oz’ which won the Best Documentary Award at the 2010 Beloit International Film Festival, the Silver Sierra Award for Excellence in Filmmaking at the Yosemite Film Festival, and the Silver Screen Award at the Nevada Film Festival.

    Still’s movies demonstrate historical evidence that most of the world’s economic and political problems can be solved by eliminating fractional reserve lending and debt-based money. To this end he has proposed a bill called the Monetary Reform Act.

    Timmy Mallet:born 18 October 1955, Marple, England) is a television presenter, broadcaster and artist in the UK. He achieved cult status on BBC Radio Oxford and Manchester’s Piccadilly Radio and later on TV-am. Mallett is most notable for his striking visual style, involving loud shirts, colourful glasses and the giant pink foam mallet, labelled ‘Mallett’s Mallet’, as well as his ‘utterly brilliant!’ and ‘blaaah!’ catchphrases.

    Wikipedia …. losing credibility by the minute.

    The Secret of Oz
    The Money Masters

  • A Node

    I’ve just watched a long report on Channel 4 news about the explosion in a fertiliser factory in Texas. There was no speculation about the cause except for a reference to an incident in 2006 when some dangerous gas escaped.
    No mention was made of the fact that it happened 20 miles from the site of the Waco seige and one day before its 20th anniversary. Given the Boston bombing and the historic frequency of homegrown violent incidents around Patriots’ day, I’d have thought it was worth considering.

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