Counter-Revolution

by craig on July 4, 2013 8:49 am in Uncategorized

What we are seeing in Egypt is counter-revolution pure and simple, military hardliners who are going to be friendly with Israel and the US, and are committing gross human rights abuse.

Western backed counter-revolution is going to be sweeping back across the Middle East; do not be distracted by the words of the West, watch the deeds.  It will of course be in the name of secularism.  There is an important correlation between what is happening in Turkey and Egypt.  I made myself unpopular when I pointed out what the media did not tell you, that behind the tiny minority of doe-eyed greens in the vanguard of the Istanbul movement, stood the massed phalanxes of kemalist nationalism, a very ugly beast.  “Secularism” was the cry there too.

 

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  1. Yes, I agree, Fred, 8:18am, the caveman image deployed by Cryptonym was a bit heavy and personal. Such things ought to be avoided. Still, it’s so very ridiculous and cartoonish, it’s rather silly; Fred Flintstone, yes, ha, ha, blah, blah, blah. Crytonym should be cyber-whipped six-and-a-half times with a thick, black leather thong by a dominatrix dressed as a lizard. At least you’re not being accused of being a “ziofuckwit” or of wearing a tutu (not that there’s anything instrinsically wrong with wearing a tutu). Still, you’re quite right, ad hominems best avoided, as Craig advised.

    Speaking for myself, I am not a nationalist, I ahve a natural repulsion for flags and national anthems, and having been mildly opposed to it for many years, nowadays I keep an open mind about Scottish independence, though now it might be only way to minimise the damage of fundamentalist neoliberalism. I have little innate faith that our politicians won’t U-turn on most important thkngs (see also under NATO, Nukes…).

  2. Oddie, 7 Jul, 2013 – 2:32 am. It is because PressTV is reporting on news stories the owners of mainstream media outlets do not want you to see. The Bilderberger, Richard Branson, does not allow Russia Today on Virgin, to which I subscribe (but am thinking of leaving). It’s available on Freeview. The trouble is all the cables are Virgin and I could do without the hassle.

  3. Unfair to smear the move towards secularism. Secularism in the region is a logical and rational choice.
    Secularism would protect all faiths and none under the rule of law, in stark contrast to the various religious regimes that do not protect citizens of different faiths and of no faith.
    Unfair and misguiding to draw a connection between modern secularism and nationalism.

  4. It is because PressTV is reporting on news stories the owners of mainstream media outlets do not want you to see.

    You bet. US Foreign Asset Control Dpt. is hot on the tail of PressTV to stop it from ruining the bubble that the Western mejdia have so carefully built up around their audiences, keeping these poor audiences in near complete state of ignorance.

    Although an arch ziofuckwit Adam Szubin heading the AFCD, to begin with was coordinating his war on freedom of speech/press/expression through his mate Michel de Rosen, the French-Israeli CEO of Eutelsat (Europe’s satellite giant). De Rosen had been sending all manner of nasty letters with threats of hell fire and brimstones to other satellite owner operators in Europe and elsewhere. Informing these other companies about the EU sanctions on someone supposedly in charge of PressTV. This by default then had been made out to be an EU sanction on PressTV as a whole.

    However When EU commission was approached by the “Sanctioned Chap”, EU responded; there wre no Sanctions against PressTV! This fact however has not deterred the shameless ziofuckwit Michel de Rosen, who has changed his letter from EU sanctions to US sanctions in a heartbeat.

    This is the kind of gaming the system that these ziofuckwit bastards have been busy getting away with, while the world has sat by idle, and tried to reason and understand/explain away the supremacist, racist, and murderous motives of the ziofuckwits, all in the best possible way.

    ====

    At least you’re not being accused of being a “ziofuckwit”

    What are you on about?

  5. fedup, 11:08am, 7.7.13:

    It’s like Monty Python and “the Spanish Inquisition”!

    “Zio… No, I won’t say it. Z-z-z-z… I will not say it. Ziofu… I most definitely am not going to say it! No, I didn’t say it. No, not me. Must’ve just come through the ether.”

  6. Last month astronomers reported discovered three planets, similar to Earth, orbiting around a single star which may be able to support life.

    Researchers estimate there could be as many as 100 billion planets similar to the Earth in our galaxy, the Milky Way.

    Humanity has always got it “right”: Earth is flat, Earth is the centre of the universe, Sun goes around the Earth, Earth is the only planet with water, Earth is the only planet with life, Earth and its resources belong to a handful few wankers because they have bought the biggest army on the Earth!

    Whilst we are witnessing the mass murder of human beings, and the claims of; supremacy, secularism is good, religion is bad, human beings are crap, human beings destroy the Planet, ……. There is only one hundred thousand million other planets that don’t have water, are not centre of the universe, and do not have life on these.

    Is any of our killing technologies capable of repelling any other galactic marauders claiming to be the masters of universe, or have we just learned to beat on human beings, in a fashion after our ancestors; the monkeys, chimps, and the apes?

    =======

    It’s like Monty Python and “the Spanish Inquisition”!

    No its not!

    Your intonation of being; ” accused of being a “ziofuckwit””.

    Thanks for the laugh though.

  7. “It is because PressTV is reporting on news stories the owners of mainstream media outlets do not want you to see. ”

    For example?

  8. Departing Aircraft (United 285?):

    “United 885” it was. No doubt they saw this happen right in front of them.

  9. Flaming June

    7 Jul, 2013 - 2:26 pm

    They are all in it (the royal box)j together today – General Richards, Agent Cameron, Victoria Beckham……….

    :)

  10. Fred: the only bullying and intimidation in this odd affair was the ambushing of Susan Calman, by Miles Jupp, broadcast by the BBC, it was cruel, unfunny and quite deliberately done, I had never in years of News Quiz listening, going back to the days of Barry Took and Richard Ingrams, heard anything so ugly as this, and Ms. Calman not surpisingly handled it badly. If these supposed subsequent threats were genuine then it would be possible to substantiate them indeed it is important that they are substantiated and the source of them, if any, is identified unquestionably. I think the silence that has followed the media’s glee-filled exploitation of the claims of threats, tells us all we need to know about those claims veracity.

    Don’t let the fact the story is old and has no legs stop you, if it floats your boat.

  11. For those speculating about the plane emergency, my past boss has given his opinion:

    From Husam Alshamlan
    I was Aviation Safety Director for the State of Kuwait for years , and was an Accident Investigator for even more years , and I was always very reluctant to give an opinion on an accident before thoroughly looking at the data on the ” Black Boxes ” and taking all factors in any crash into consideration .
    On this occasion , I will make an exception . From the pictures that I have seen and the other limited information about the weather at destination and the runway conditions , I will venture an opinion .
    The crash was caused by a very heavy landing that caused the tail of the airplane to strike the ground first and make it brake off just aft of the pressure bulkhead

  12. The fucking cheek of it! Give MPs a pay rise or risk another expenses scandal, says Ipsa chief

    He said the decision would be “difficult” but the regulator “will not shirk our responsibility to make a determination simply because the task is difficult”.

    ie (we will do what the fuck we like)

    Dunchyou luv the smell of democracy?

    The practically free booze, meals, and perks as well as the expenses and now pay rises, hows about those MPs who can do better go and find a better remuneration they deserve there in the “private sector”, and let we the people apply for the MPs vacancy in the parliament?

    “Having a Parliament accessible to all, one which does not deter the less well-off from seeking election, one which does not require MPs without independent means to seek patronage, is crucial to the continuing health of our democracy.

    WTF are you going on about mate? Less well off? Their salary already is considered a fantastic salary by those of us less well off, if these millionaire wannabe bastards have ideas above their station; they can always seek alternative employment elsewhere.

    I will do the job for half their existing salaries mate, and I am sure others would join me in taking the said jobs too. This is beyond the pale, whilst these free loading bastards are ordering bedroom taxes, and cuts in pensions, and sickness befits, are all too happy to contract out their salaries to an “independent” outfit, and sit back and luxuriate in their new found worth.

    How much was the cost of this “independent” report? Hows about the MPs learn to live within their means and not to fiddle their expenses, and if they cannot live on the “poor” MPs salary, they can always find a part time job (but they have many revenue streams already), or better still; piss off and find a better job somewhere else, and let we the people have a crack at sitting in the parliament and harrumphing away.

  13. Flaming June

    7 Jul, 2013 - 5:15 pm

    Well Milipede E is spending his day of rest at Wimbledon in the royal box. Salmond is also there. Haven’t seen Cleggover or Pippa though.

    Mrs Beckham appears to be wearing some lingerie. Another footballer’s wife Colleen Rooney is also there with her husband.

    Mail is good for photos.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2357781/Wimbledon-final-Murray-sizzles-Centre-Court-goes-sets-Djokovic-temperatures-hit-40C.html

  14. Flaming June

    7 Jul, 2013 - 5:33 pm

    “We’ve waited 77 years for this”, says Ms Barker referring to the last winner of the men’s championship at Wimbledon. I did not know that Fred Perry was Scottish like Murray. :).

  15. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    7 Jul, 2013 - 7:16 pm

    Well, you’ll be pleased to hear that I’m back after a short trip.

    [Mod/Jon: post just used for sniping, removed. Please engage with just the issues, thanks]

  16. “Well, you’ll be pleased to hear that I’m back after a short trip.” Habbabkuk.

    Blotter, or windowpane?

  17. Everything but the kitchen sink (and Ken Loach). Do not rise, all (as the Queen Mother never intoned).

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    7 Jul, 2013 - 8:28 pm

    @ Suhayl

    No, it’s simply interesting to come back to the threads after a few days away and to notice that it’s as if one had never been gone. Bit like a bad university lecturer really – you can miss his lectures in weeks 3 and 4 but in reality you’ve missed nothing at all.
    But don’t let me spoil your appreciation and enjoyment :)

  19. Chris Jones

    7 Jul, 2013 - 9:30 pm

    @Fred – Maybe its time for you to start making full use of all your faculties. You have heard of psy ops and the like I take it? And I’m sure you are aware of the rather unpleasant habits of one of the worst examples of extreme imperialist eugenic nationalism,the British state, in the last 200 years? Maybe thats the kind of nationalism you prefer over the non imperial reasonable and democratic type?

    Talk about psy ops – heres a quote from the links demonstrating those lost cause mouth pieces for the British regime again:

    “Earlier this year the BBC admitted that a claim made by the presenter, that anti-English attacks had increased in Scotland, was untrue, but insisted it was not deliberate”

    …sigh

  20. Flaming June

    7 Jul, 2013 - 9:47 pm

    I have just seen a brilliant play performed by an amateur group which took the form of readings from news items of the time, local and national, letters, anecdotes, sound recordings and song about the life, and very tragic death by cyanide poisoning, of Alan Turing. Just as with Dr Kelly’s death, allegedly by suicide, no note was left.

    The earlier days of espionage and surveillance were outlined and the development of use of wireless signals.

    After the end of the WWI an establishment called GC&CS or GCCS was set up in London, the Government Code and Cypher School. the forerunner of GCHQ.

    The work of Turing at Bletchley Park (where GC&CS located) on the Enigma Code was described.

    Nothing changes.

    ‘The Code Breaker

    Apollo Theatre Company presents an original piece about Alan Turing who was key to cracking the German enigma code in WW2. He grew up in Guildford and the show comprises material such as local paper cuttings from the Surrey Advertiser at the time, as well as extracts from books about Turing and his work.’

    http://vimeo.com/68290523

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing

  21. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    7 Jul, 2013 - 9:53 pm

    “For me somehow, the words “Kissinger” and “principle” don’t seem to belong in the same sentence.

    There must be a good grammatical reason.

    Or maybe it’s the impossible logic of it.

    Just plain tautological.”
    _________

    A tautology?

    Surely not.

    Try “oxymoron”.

    Better still, invest in a good dictionary (I recommend the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary in 2 vols.).

  22. Is there a Flight 587 “blog” ?

  23. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    7 Jul, 2013 - 9:58 pm

    [Mod/Jon: removed excessive commentary about another poster, please stick to topics]

  24. Flaming June

    7 Jul, 2013 - 10:07 pm

    Yes Anon, from the following thread wishing Craig well, I spotted Salmond strategically placed behind Agent Cameron waving the Saltyre.

    Cameron is hoping that any reflected glory from his presence at Murray’s golden field of victory might detract from Theresa May’s who was all over the ‘medja’ today crowing about Abu Qatada’s deportation.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/07/article-2357781-1AB3808D000005DC-61_964x610.jpg

    We can see right through him.

    May now proposes to amend the Immigration Act, limiting the number of appeals and taking away the right to human life for some she doesn’t think should have it, and to replace the Human Rights Act with some sort of UK Bill of Rights. She is a dangerous woman. She longs to be PM of course.

  25. Edward Snowden, if you do not know about the Sauron programme you need to know.

    http://www.chronicle.su/news/snowden-unveils-nsa-spy-satellite-sauron-program-targeting-us-citizens/

    It is why you should sign the Epetition on my blog.

  26. Posting this here as I don’t want to disrupt the thread of Good Wishes on today’s post.

    Interesting example of blatant censorship in the Independent today, details here:

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/why-i-am-convinced-that-anna-ardin-is-a-liar/comment-page-8/#comment-416988

    Does anyone know what the Independent’s take-down policy is for below-the-line stuff posted by readers? Is it before or after receiving formal notification from an aggrieved party? (Apparently, the plaintiff’s counsel for one of the women in the Assange case (also the family lawyer for Sweden’s Prime Minister, Fredrik Reinfeldt) recently liaised directly with the Independent to place a press release. So I’m wondering if any take-down notification came from that direction?)

  27. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    7 Jul, 2013 - 10:48 pm

    Surely all of Britain – or at least those who love and cherish her and wish her well – has good reason to feel pleased with some of today’s news.

    Firstly, a Briton has once again won a major tennis tournament last won by another Briton 77 years ago. (NB – Briton : one of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).

    And then someone who very probably does not love and cherish Britain and wish her well has finally be deported after due legal process has been scrupulously observed regardless of the time taken to achieve this.

    ___________

    Not to forget the news of a couple of days ago which will be welcomed by people of whatever nationality – that of the conferral of sainthood on the late Holy Father. Rejoice!

  28. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    7 Jul, 2013 - 10:54 pm

    @ Mod/Jon

    Thanks for removing two of my posts and asking me to stay on (the) topic(s).

    What are the topics, though?

    Who sat in the Royal Box at Wimbledon, for example (see posts above)?

  29. @Habba. 9 40pm

    I never thought I’d ever have to say this but Habba, you are quite right.

    As you point out it is in fact an oxymoron. Like “Henry Kissinger-Nobel Peace Laureate” wouldn’t you agree?

    Now I’ll go and stand in the dunce’s corner and read this:

    http://www.zpub.com/un/wanted-hkiss.html

  30. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    7 Jul, 2013 - 11:13 pm

    [Mod/Jon: I deleted your post for focussing excessively on another poster – this time about a play, so hardly important. In this instance, an extended appeal to mod about trivial deletions is unwelcome, please discuss something with someone else.]

  31. BrianFujisan

    8 Jul, 2013 - 12:04 am

    Looks like another Truth Seeps out of the Cesspool of Lies

    A massive explosion last Thursday at a major Syrian weapons depot in Latakia, not far from the main port of Tartus, completely destroyed the facility and munitions stored there.

    Tartus is Syria’s main port. It is largely controlled by the Russian military, and the route by which all weapons transported by sea would enter Syria. As such, any advanced Russian weaponry would enter via Tartous and might be stored in the Latakia depot.

    Though the Free Syrian Army took immediate credit for the attack, it was not the responsible party.

    A confidential Israeli source informs me that Israeli forces attacked the site. The target were components of Russia’s SA-300 anti-aircraft missile system which had been shipped by Russia to Tartus and stored in Latakia.

    Richard Silverstein….At –

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/act-of-war-israel-attacks-syrian-weapons-depot-containing-advanced-russian-arms/5341940

  32. Latakia is 44 miles from Tartus, whether that counts as “not far” I suppose is relative.

    If those nasty Israelis destroyed the facility why aren’t the Syrians screaming about it and showing the evidence to the world instead of blaming it on a “technical problem” which, despite claims to the contrary, has been responsible for detonating Russian arms dumps in the past?

  33. Chris Jones

    8 Jul, 2013 - 1:51 am

    The Honourable Craig Murray said: “What we are seeing in Egypt is counter-revolution pure and simple, military hardliners who are going to be friendly with Israel and the US, and are committing gross human rights abuse.

    Western backed counter-revolution is going to be sweeping back across the Middle East; do not be distracted by the words of the West, watch the deeds. It will of course be in the name of secularism”

    …I can only sadly agree that these particular words are probably true despite the mass hope of 14 million people. But is it just me or has Craig slightly fine tuned the wording of this post? If he has I applaud him because, although as always, I have an enormous respect for him, it irks me when he automatically equates inclusive healthy nationalism/patriotism etc with badness and small mindedness when imperialist nationalism/fascism is all around including within the EU floundering super stateism…

  34. BrianFujisan

    8 Jul, 2013 - 3:57 am

    [Mod/Jon: removed, please keep to civil language]

  35. Flaming June

    8 Jul, 2013 - 6:43 am

    Radio 4 Today announced that Blair will be coming on the programme this morning to speak about Egypt which will be more of the same support for the USUKIsNATO line that the Observer printed.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/06/egypt-middle-east-tony-blair

    Why is he still being given these platforms? He is a broken reed and is completely discredited. His opinions are worthless.

  36. Flaming June

    8 Jul, 2013 - 6:52 am

    Golden (tennis) balls contd.

    A footnote. I see why Mrs Beckham got a seat. She and Murray share the same agent, Simon Fuller. He propelled the Spice Girls to fame and now manages Murray amongst his many other activities. Must be rolling in it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Fuller

    Murray will soon be rolling in it and is recommended for a knighthood by today’s tabloids.

    ‘Roger Federer has won a record 17 major championships, and the latest estimate of his annual endorsement income is approximately $65 million. Rafael Nadal has won 12 majors, and the latest estimate of his annual endorsements is $21 million. Djokovic has won 6 majors (4 of which being the Australian Open), and the latest estimate of his annual endorsements is $14 million.

    This September 2012 story from London pegged Murray’s endorsements at roughly $9.5 million…which does not account for any new deals signed after his U.S. Open victory.

    As such, and in light of his historic achievement at the 2013 Wimbledon Championships, expect Murray’s annual endorsement earnings to be at least on par with Djokovic by the end of fiscal 2013. And if 2-3 more majors follow in the coming years, eclipsing $20 million annually in endorsements is not impossible.’

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2013/07/07/andy-murray-boosts-future-endorsement-earnings-ending-britains-77-year-drought-at-wimbledon/

    Wow!

  37. At Salon

    “Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book”: The new warrior cop is out of control

    ‘SWAT teams raiding poker games and trying to stop underage drinking? Overwhelming paramilitary force is on the rise’

    http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/

  38. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    8 Jul, 2013 - 8:31 am

    [Mod/Jon, thanks for the moderation report, done]

  39. Flaming June

    8 Jul, 2013 - 8:32 am

    Escalation. 35 killed this morning in an attack by the military when the Muslim Brotherhood stormed a building where they believe Morsi is being held.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1112787/egypt-morsi-supporters-shot-dead-at-barracks

  40. @Suhayl Saadi “You’d like the CIA and the Mafia to be in control of a country.” Ideally countries should be in control of democrats who are not fascists, communists, Islamists, racists or any other groups likely to turn into persecutors and oppressors. Hence the permissibility in theory of the Kissinger principle, though it might often not be a good idea in practice. As for the Mafia, I wish that gangsters may repent of their sins and become useless as criminals.

    “What, you mean death squads..?”

    I disapprove of such methods, and I am glad that I don’t have to authorise assassinations. On the other hand, I don’t mourn for Bin Laden or Awalaki, nor will I mourn if I hear of Zawahiri’s demise.

  41. @Chris “Maybe its time for you to start making full use of all your faculties.”

    I do. When I hear someone is being called a self loathing Jew for opposing Zionism I speak out and when I hear someone being called a self loathing Scot for opposing Nationalism I do the same. It is wrong, no amount of Nationalist propaganda or attempts to demonise the victim can make it right.

  42. At least 53 pro-Morsi protesters killed in Cairo

    The Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood says the death toll from the army’s Monday attack on supporters of ousted President Mohamed Morsi in the capital, Cairo has risen to 53, with five children among the dead.

    Meanwhile, news is emerging of two soldiers “arrested” and held by the Muslim Brotherhood supporters.

    This is hitting up, and there is an escalation by the Muslim Brotherhood calling on all their supporters to rise-up.

  43. I put this (first one) on the previous thread by mistake

    “The pilots of a passenger jet which crashed in the United States tried to abort their landing as stall warnings filled the cockpit moments before impact, according to safety officials.

    “Two people died and 182 were injured when the Asiana Airlines Boeing 777 crashed late on Saturday at the San Francisco International Airport. The plane was carrying 307 people.

    “Asiana said on Monday that the pilot was “in training” and that it was his first flight into the city at the controls of a 777.”

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/07/201376191550136917.html

    Also, video has emerged of the moment of impact

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBi8zR44OsU

    and yes, there is another plane virtually alongside, taking off

    And this from Ch 4 News

    “although he did not comment on reports that one of the Chinese teenagers who died may have been run over by an emergency vehicle.

    “According to the city’s fire department, “one of the deceased did have injuries consistent with having been run over by a vehicle”.”

    http://www.channel4.com/news/san-francisco-plane-crash-pilot-training

    Christ

  44. Flaming June

    8 Jul, 2013 - 2:03 pm

    She’s in charge.

    Theresa May to ban two extremist groups
    UK-based Minbar Ansar Deen and Nigeria-based Boko Haram are to be proscribed in the UK under terrorism laws
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jul/08/theresa-may-to-ben-extremist-groups

    ~~

    As Abu Qatada leaves, Theresa May vows to change human rights law
    ‘Wholesale changes’ to human rights legislation promised after lengthy legal battle that cost taxpayer £1.7m
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/07/abu-qatada-human-rights

    ~~

  45. Flaming June

    8 Jul, 2013 - 2:14 pm

    The Jillings Report into child abuse at North Wales children’s homes is finally released but it has been heavily redacted.

    ‘An inquiry by John Jillings was carried out in 1996 but shelved due to fears there would be compensation claims.

    The report was finally published following an FoI request by the BBC.

    The 300-page report was initially written in 1996 after it was commissioned by the former Clwyd County Council, which covered the areas now represented by Flintshire, Denbighshire and Wrexham councils.

    PDF download Jillings Report Part One[17MB]

    PDF download Jillings Report Part Two[14 MB]

    It had followed North Wales Police’s investigation into abuse claims in 1991 and the conviction of seven former care workers.

    But as more claims of widespread abuse in almost 40 homes emerged, the former Clwyd County Council commissioned Mr Jillings in March 1994 to investigate.

    However, it was never published.’

    Jillings report: ‘Extensive’ abuse at children’s homes
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-23199905

    There is this ominous line in the summary of the Jillings Report findings.

    ’12 children had died.’

  46. Flaming June

    8 Jul, 2013 - 3:06 pm

    The Lord is my Shepherd, I shall not want, etc.

    However. Not if you are Palestinian with a few sheep grazing on the hills of East Jerusalem.

    http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_communities_jerusalem_factsheet_june_2013_english.pdf
    Communities in the Jerusalem periphery at risk of forcible transfer | June 2013
    Small herding communities in the hills to the east of Jerusalem are at risk of forcible transfer due to a “relocation” plan advanced by the Israeli authorities.

    Search and arrest. Home demolitions. Displacement of Palestinians. Olive trees uprooted. Gaza fuel shortages. Delays at checkpoints.

    The lists of daily atrocities are endlessly logged by the Orwellian named Office for the Coordination for Humanitarian Affairs, Occupied Palestinian Territories/

    210 pages going back to 2005.
    http://www.ochaopt.org/generalreports.aspx?id=97&page=1

  47. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    8 Jul, 2013 - 3:12 pm

    “Theresa May to ban two extremist groups
    UK-based Minbar Ansar Deen and Nigeria-based Boko Haram are to be proscribed in the UK under terrorism laws”
    __________

    Presumably the Home Secretary is acting within the law and in acccordance with the powers given to her. Perhaps the poster is only giving us this for information (I had already heard it, thank you)but if not, what is the precise objection to her proposal?

    “As Abu Qatada leaves, Theresa May vows to change human rights law
    ‘Wholesale changes’ to human rights legislation promised after lengthy legal battle that cost taxpayer £1.7m”
    ________

    The point should perhaps be made that this affairs cost the taxpayer so much precisely because of all the appeal possibilities Mr Qatada was able to benefit from, in accordance with the law and due process.

    As to the promised “wholesale changes” to human rights legislation, perhaps commenters should wait to see which changes are proposed before condemning them sight unseen?

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    8 Jul, 2013 - 3:32 pm

    @ Mod/Jon (re my post at 08h31)

    Glad to have been of help and thank you for your prompt action.

    As I fully understand that you cannot be expected to be on the job 24/24 (the offending post was posted at 3 o’clock in the morning) and that certain posts might slip past you I propose, within my limited possibilities, to continue to help you in your task of ‘cleaning up’ and sharpening this blog by drawing your attention to egregious examples of offensive language and outright trivia (since I understand that the latter appear to have no place here either – cf. your post to me at 23h13 on 7 July).

  49. “I disapprove of such methods, and I am glad that I don’t have to authorise assassinations. On the other hand, I don’t mourn for Bin Laden or Awalaki, nor will I mourn if I hear of Zawahiri’s demise.” Abe Rene.

    The discussion was about Kissinger and also about Cuba. The death squads to which I am referring vis a vis Kissinger were those in ‘Latin’ America, run by the CIA, which routinely targeted and murdered innocent civilians, including health care workers, nuns, children, as well as anyone suspected of any kind of trade union or political activity opposed to their fascist agenda. To conflate these people with say, Osama Bin Laden is preposterous nd inhuman. One might refer to multiple countries in South and Central America over a period of many decades, but especially Guatemala, Chile, Brazil and Nicaragua.

    Wrt carpet bombing and Kissinger, the references would be to North Vietnam and Cambodia, and the mmass murder of many thousands of civilians, plus the destabilsations of Cambodia with further Killng Field consequences.

  50. I’m glad, though, that you disapprove of such methods. But if the Bay of Pigs had been successful – something you suggested you would have liked to have seen happen – we would have seen exactly those methods used on the civilian population of Cuba.

  51. Theresa May vows to change human rights law
    ‘Wholesale changes’

    Trouble is she has been in contraventions of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights up until now, from now she can make legal the illegal and get on with contravening the UDHR legally!

    – – – –

    Small herding communities in the hills to the east of Jerusalem are at risk of forcible transfer due to a “relocation” plan advanced by the Israeli authorities.

    Even nomads are not safe from the marauding hoards of the land stealing ziofuckwits.

    – – – –

    The Jillings Report into child abuse at North Wales children’s homes is finally released but it has been heavily redacted.

    Funny how the “insurance” companies still dictate on how these “reports” should be presented! (shades of Jimmy the kiddie fiddler Savile coverup?).

    – – – –

    “According to the city’s fire department, “one of the deceased did have injuries consistent with having been run over by a vehicle”.”

    Seems the US firefighters are being trained by the same outfit that trains their Police officers!

    The chaff surrounding this crash includes a great deal of efforts directed at deflecting any blame from the aircraft! This coming on the heels of other malfunctions of the various aircraft manufactured by Boeing could have some bearing on the rapid fire theories of the causes for the crash that are emerging.

    – – – –

  52. Flaming June

    8 Jul, 2013 - 5:04 pm

    Who are the nitwits in Cornwall who re-elected this councillor, possessor of the milk of human kindness? Not.

    Cornwall disabled row councillor Collin Brewer censured

    A councillor has been censured for his “grossly offensive” comments that disabled children should be “put down” and banned from council premises where services for the disabled are provided.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-23229088

  53. doug scorgie

    8 Jul, 2013 - 5:32 pm

    One for Blair watchers:

    “Tony Blair hired ex Israeli army intelligence officer despite envoy role”

    “Tony Blair has hired a former Israeli army intelligence officer to work in his private office, despite his role as Middle East peace envoy.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/10164523/Tony-Blair-hired-ex-Israeli-army-intelligence-officer-despite-envoy-role.html

    Related Articles on the above link:

    Blair rich project’s £4m Brazil deal
    18 Nov 2012
    Tony Blair strikes gold in Mongolia
    09 Jun 2013
    Tony Blair widens his web via the stock markets
    13 Jan 2013
    Tony Blair to advise next government of Albania
    19 May 2013

  54. Flaming June

    8 Jul, 2013 - 5:44 pm

    Galling Doug. And to think we idiot British taxpayers are paying £hundreds of thousands for his ‘security’.

  55. Flaming June

    8 Jul, 2013 - 6:02 pm

    Even the Mail sees through Cameron.

    The photo opportunity Cameron couldn’t wait for: PM rubs hands with glee as comes out to greet champion Andy Murray at No 10

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2358352/Andy-Murray-smartens-join-PM-Downing-Street-photo-opportunity-Cameron-keen-up.html

  56. A councillor has been censured for his “grossly offensive” comments that disabled children should be “put down” and banned from council premises where services for the disabled are provided.

    This chap needs his legs to be broken and then to be told; he ought to be put down!

    This kind of a wanker really boils my blood, the tosser probably could not hold onto his piss if he were to come across a couple of the lads in an dark allay; asking him for a light. Yet he has the temerity to advocate execution of the disabled and infirm. For the record, disabled children ought to be cherished as much as the able bodied children, for any child is a gift and any gift ought to be welcomed.

    ============

    … role as Middle East peace envoy

    Why do the medjia refer to bLiar as “peace envoy”? Whilst, his office is for him to be in charge of distributing the European funds allocated to Palestinians. Simply put the fox is in charge of the chicken coop. That corrupt bastard steadily will not be able to trust anyone other than his ziofuckwit associates, which he will eventually find this to be akin to jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.

  57. Flaming June

    8 Jul, 2013 - 7:05 pm

    Sketch: A day of worship for the almighty Theresa
    Michael Deacon watches MPs takes turns to congratulate Theresa May on the extradition of Abu Qatada.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10167255/Sketch-A-day-of-worship-for-the-almighty-Theresa.html

  58. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    8 Jul, 2013 - 7:45 pm

    @ Passerby (16h22) :

    “Theresa May vows to change human rights law
    ‘Wholesale changes’

    Trouble is she has been in contraventions of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights up until now, from now she can make legal the illegal and get on with contravening the UDHR legally!”
    ______________

    I really do wish that people would not simply write the first thing that comes into their heads but just think (and if necessary research)for a few minutes before spouting off.

    Firstly, the Universal Declaration is just that – a declaration. It is not “law” and has no legal force, and consequently contains no provisions for the implementation and enforcement of its 29-odd articles. It is – and this is not meant as a criticism – utopian in nature and there is no state on earth which has not been, since its adoption and up to the present, in “violation” of several (and probably in some cases, most) of its articles. Take, for example, its articles on the “right to education” or (my own words) a “decent standard of living”.

    There is therefore no question of the UK govt seeking to make “legal” the “illegal” or contravening the UDHR “legally”.

    Secondly, what I imagine Passerby is thinking of is what is commonly known as the European Convention on Human Rights and/or the UK’s Human Rights Act (2000).

    The former (ECHR)is a completely different animal from the UDHR : it lays down a (more limited, as compared to the UDHR) numbers of rights and sets out mechanisms and procedures (notably the European Court of Human Rights) for adjudication and enforcement of those rights within the Contracting Parties (ie, the States Party). Furthermore, its judgements have the force of law and are binding on the States Party involved in a case. The latter (HRA) is, essentially, the full incorporation of the ECHR into UK law, inter alia, that since 2000 actions under the European Convention (eg, an individual who feels that his rights under, say, Article 7 have been breached) can be brought directly in the UK courts and UCHR law is directly applicable in the UK; applicants need no longer go to Strasbourg to have their suits heard and adjudicated (however, they can still do so once all possible remedies in the UK courts have been exhausted).

    This is what should be referred to by commenters when they talk about breaches in “human rights law”.

    Has the UK been found to have violated THIS human rights law? Certainly, and on several occasions. As have many if not all of the States Party. And there have been no instances, to my knowledge at least, of States Party not bowing to the judgements of the ECtHR.

    So : when the govt talks about its intention to substantially change “human rights law” it is referring to either the ECHR or to the UK’s HRA. Given that getting changes agreed to the former would take years if not decades (if feasible at all) and given that the UK has no intention of “withdrawing” from that Convention (this would be politically unfeasible) and that so-called reservations on the ECHR can only be entered on signature or ratification but not subsequently, I should imagine that it is changes to the UK’s own Human Rights Act are what is being considered. And we shall not know what these envisaged changes might be until they have been proposed.

    Conclusion : please refer to what should be referred to (ie, more precision, please) and let’s have less hysteria and fewer wild accusations while awaiting concrete proposals.

  59. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    8 Jul, 2013 - 7:56 pm

    Posted at 19h05 :

    “Sketch: A day of worship for the almighty Theresa
    Michael Deacon watches MPs takes turns to congratulate Theresa May on the extradition of Abu Qatada.”
    _________

    Well, if I were a vulgarian, I should say “the girl done good”, but since I am anything but, I shall simply add my congratulations to those of the MPs for the achievement (scrupulously following due process) of something which had eluded God knows how many Home Secretaries before her (Home Secretaries with physical balls, by the way).

    AFTERTHOUGHT – is there anyone here who feels strongly that Mr Qatada should NOT have been deported? Happy to discuss.

  60. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    8 Jul, 2013 - 8:00 pm

    “For the record, disabled children ought to be cherished as much as the able bodied children,..”
    _________

    If not more so, in my opinion, for their need is even greater.

  61. Tweet

    “A marriage made in hell: #Monsanto buys #Blackwater – Really toxic mercenaries”

    http://politicalblindspot.com/yes-monsanto-actually-did-buy-the-blackwater-mercenary-group/

  62. The International Bill of Human rights or Universal Declaration of Human Rights, ought to be printed on the back of every bag of sugar, and cereal boxes. For without any such a safeguard, the total bastards and psychopaths in charge will pay lip service to human rights, whilst contravening every moral, and legal imperatives concerning our inalienable rights as a human being.

    The following is a distressing account of such an abuse. It must be noted that the tradition of fasting and rejecting food in the face of injustice, is to be found in more than one culture. Those of Irish descent perhaps would be more familiar with this concept.

    The tyranny of the concentration camp in Gitmo

  63. “AFTERTHOUGHT – is there anyone here who feels strongly that Mr Qatada should NOT have been deported? Happy to discuss.”

    Must be me then again H. It is a case I’ve been following, for although the media portrayed and portray him as a villain, I have heard no substantive evidence from MSM.

    Here are two parallel cases I wrote about in May.

    http://newsjunkiepost.com/2013/05/03/is-hatred-of-islam-the-uk-home-secretarys-religion/

    I also raised a FOI request regarding questions that have been bothering me in the Abu Qatada case, not least of which is the suggestion that he worked for the UK secret services.

    https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/abu_qatadas_crime_or_crimes#incoming-400219

  64. the best analysis yet:

    8 July – Thierry Meyssan: Does Morsi’s fate foreshadow that of the Muslim
    Brotherhood?
    CAPTION: Of 84 million Egyptians, 33 million took to the streets to celebrate the military coup
    So when it became clear that its allies were overwhelmed by the street, Washington ordered them to give way to the prefabricated opposition…
    Ultimately, what characterizes the “Arab Spring” (Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria) is not instability, or culture, but the solution envisaged by the imperialist powers: the rise to power of the Muslim Brotherhood.
    This secret, allegedly anti-imperialist organization has always been politically controlled by London. It was represented in Hillary Clinton’s cabinet through Huma Abedin (wife of Anthony Weiner, former pro-Zionist U.S. Representative), whose mother Saleha Abedin leads the global women’s branch
    of the Brotherhood. Qatar has bankrolled operations for more than $15 billion per year (!) in addition to the media coverage of the Brotherhood, who in late 2005 was given charge of the Al-Jazeera channel. Finally, Turkey has provided policy expertise with communication consultants…
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article179282.html

  65. Chris Jones

    9 Jul, 2013 - 3:15 am

    @Fred “When I hear someone is being called a self loathing Jew for opposing Zionism I speak out and when I hear someone being called a self loathing Scot for opposing Nationalism I do the same. It is wrong, no amount of Nationalist propaganda or attempts to demonise the victim can make it right.

    Your point doesn’t make any sense. What your on about is intolerance and lack of respect for freedom of opinion and speech – I’ve no idea why you decide that its the same thing as nationalism or people who want the best for their country. You do realise that all of this world is currently made up of various countries, including the current ‘british state’, which means that the whole world is therefore nationalist? How have you worked out which country is good nationalist versus bad nationalist countries? Have you got a natiometer?

  66. Flaming June

    9 Jul, 2013 - 7:39 am

    Israeli doctors to advise US on Guantanamo hunger strikers

    Israeli doctors have been invited to the US to share their experiences of handling hunger-striking Palestinian prisoners as Washington comes under fire for its force-feeding of Guantanamo Bay detainees who refuse to eat.

    Officials from the Israeli Medical Association have been invited to the U.S. to present policy makers there with their methods of handling hunger strikers, as the U.S. administration comes under fire for its own practice of force-feeding of Guantanamo Bay detention camp prisoners who refuse to eat.

    /..

    http://www.france24.com/en/20130708-israeli-doctors-advise-us-guantanamo-hunger-strikes

    Note the use of the word ‘handling’.

    They have had a lot of practice.

    ~~~~

    In 2009 over 700 doctors attempted to get an Israeli doctor Yoram Blachar removed as president of the World Medical Association.

    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/croakey/2009/06/29/israeli-president-of-the-world-medical-association-comes-under-fire/

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/21/doctors-israeli-torture-yoram-blachar-resign

  67. Flaming June

    9 Jul, 2013 - 7:48 am

    So funny.

    The Lloyds building, one of the bastions of the city boys in our capitalist system, is acquired by the Chinese.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23236928#

    A snip @ £260m.

  68. “How have you worked out which country is good nationalist versus bad nationalist countries? Have you got a natiometer?”

    There are no good and bad countries, there are only good and bad people.

    Haven’t you seen me criticising the British government here? Haven’t you seen me criticising Cameron, Haigh, Clegg and Blair? Haven’t you seen me criticising the Nationalist organisations like the BNP, EDL and Zionists everywhere? Haven’t you seen me criticising the American government for persecuting people like Bradley Manning because they are not Nationalists, because they put their humanity before their country.

    You can tell the bad people, they are the ones who make death threats against people who say what they don’t want to hear.

  69. “Fred however is no innocent abroad: emerging from some cave, with matted locks and his once fine garb reduced to rags, clutching tightly a sheaf of well-thumbed last season’s newsprint, some slightly soiled with indeterminate stains of organic origin, and has clipped out this very piece with his bare gnashers, and though now shaped like a pie crust, this article had fired a laggard neuron or two in his noggin -he thinks he scents something, his hobby horse is set a-rockin, knees-trembling, this new scent it mixes with the odours emanating from his full library of learned chip wrappers as they fly in all directions. It’s the holey-grail of a discarded smear campaign -ripe for reanimation, ‘McEureka’ he cries.”

    There is your evidence of Nationalist bullying and intimidation.

    There is my evidence of an utterly humourless Englishman. They do exist, though we sometimes deny it.

    *stirs vigorously*

  70. @Suhayl: “The death squads .. were those in ‘Latin’ America, run by the CIA..”
    Nonsense, this is Communist propaganda. The death squads were responsible for their own misdeeds. The CIA tied to *discourage* the use of torture in Chile.

    “To conflate these people with say, Osama Bin Laden is preposterous and inhuman.”
    By no means. Islamist and Communist regimes are both unworthy of humans and worthy of destruction.

    If the Bay of Pigs invasion had succeeded, Cuba would have been a free democracy. Too bad it still groans under an antiquated and unworkable regime. But Cuba has one good feature: state medical care, and even more impressive, the system of free medical training for doctors from Africa, which must have raised Cuba’s moral ‘capital’ widely. This is one influence which Cuba could beneficially exert on America.

  71. abbabkuk (La Vita È Bella!) 8 Jul, 2013 – 8:00 pm

    Wake up H. I have engaged you in debate.

  72. You can tell the bad people, they are the ones who make death threats against people who say what they don’t want to hear.

    Seriously, though, if you’re getting death threats, tell the police. The SNP is committed to nonviolence, and this used at any rate to be inscribed on the membership cards*. You may be enduring the attentions of a splinter group – they’re mostly laughable – or, as I have suggested before, of nonpartisan Scots who just don’t like you. But death threats are illegal.

    * The SNP rightly feared the Establishment’s conflating it with Irish nationalists such as the IRA

  73. Sorry Habbabkuk. Must have been a silent H. So yes let’s hear some reasoned debate about why Abu Qatada should not be home with his family in London. Do you know something I’ve been trying to find out, like why the media keep smearing him? Or was he a British government agent who left the service? I want to know why he is being forced abroad when there are so many white shits who are passed over by the government and allowed to stay.

  74. Thanks, Doug, for the Blair link.
    TB was already a busted flush as far as the Pals are concerned. His bias in favour of the money wonderful and not at all apartheid democratic beacon was noted some time ago. This will not have surprised them at all.

    There’s an inherent contradiction in what Blair claims to be doing here. On the one hand, he’s gung-ho for the economic development of the West Bank and maybe even Gaza to take place, ably assisted by venture capitalists –

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/83a0b46c-c629-11e2-99d1-00144feab7de.html#axzz2YX8of5xr

    On the other, he is visibly uninterested in redressing any of the injustices to which Palestinians have been subjected for the last 60 years. (Loadsamoney makes everything all right, y’know. It made it all right for me -TB)

    And also on that other hand, the vast investment dangled in front of the Palestinians takes no account of the actuality; the blockade of Gaza, and restrictions on West Bank movement and trade outside Israel. If Palestinian trade and production are strangled (as they are), what return on investment will be possible? Tony dreams that all difficulties will melt away in the presence of money, but they won’t, because, as is patently obvious to anyone else, the Israelis aren’t in the least interested in Palestinian prosperity – quite the reverse.

  75. John – H keeps strange hours. There may be two of it. I don’t feed it these days.

  76. “You can tell the bad people, they are the ones who make death threats against people who say what they don’t want to hear.”

    And the hypocrites who try to condone it.

  77. Flaming June

    9 Jul, 2013 - 10:08 am

    B.Liar is speaking on Murnaghan/Sky News at the moment. Yet another platform is given to the wear criminal.

  78. Does seem a lot like a counter revolution beginning with a judge who was originally appointed by Mubarak and who lifted the ban on members of his dictatorship and NDP party taking part in elections. Add to that him re-appointing the Chief Prosecutor sacked by Morsi for acquitting all of Mubarak’s security officials of charges or ordering protesters killed.

    Morsi when backed into a corner by the refusal of the opposition to negotiate unless he agreed to all their demands (including his own resignation) first did began to ally with some dangerously extreme Islamists like the group that carried out the Luxor massacre, but making the military and Mubarak’s former appointees the kingmakers by letting them divide and conquer everyone else doesn’t seem wise either.

    My blog post on this with lots of links and more details below
    http://inplaceoffear.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/power-sharing-among-all-parties-is.html

  79. And the hypocrites who try to condone it.

    You talkin’ to me, mate?

    What part of “tell the police” and “it’s illegal”, don’t you quite understand? Or is it “condone” that’s giving you trouble?

    Even your being a monumental pain in the arse doesn’t justify the issuance of death threats, Fred. You are quite entitled to object to them, to the full extent the law permits, nay, encourages. But they are not, repeat not, the policy of the vast majority of Scots nationalists, and, in particular, are not condoned by the SNP.

    So stop smearing, eh?

  80. …the wear criminal.

    Is that a reference to his childhood in Durham, Mary? Or to his abominable dress sense? Either way, good one.

  81. “What part of “tell the police” and “it’s illegal”, don’t you quite understand? Or is it “condone” that’s giving you trouble?”

    Which part of the link Mary posted didn’t you understand?

    Or did you not bother to find out what this discussion was about?

  82. Komodo, at 9.19 a.m. Me neither normally, in fact the Abu Qatada case is something I think everybody should be aware of, and I know on this blog most know that this is just another of Theresa May and David Cameron’s miscarriages of justice, so if that generates a debate it’s job done.

    Two of it? God forbid. However I’ve been missing the witty retorts of Sophie. We could do with others from that stable. So I don’t see it so much as me feeding the T but the T giving me feed lines.

  83. Flaming June

    9 Jul, 2013 - 11:18 am

    Yes my typos can be quite apt. He was wearing a very smart suit….

    Remember his tie up to Arnault/Louis Vuitton http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1242106/Critics-accuse-Tony-Blair-profiting-office-Louis-Vuitton-billionaire-friend-offers-high-paying-job.htm

    ….and a silk shirt and looked as if he had been scrubbed and buffed up. I seem to remember that they closed the Kensington High Street store so that he could help himself to whatever he chose.

    He was as loquacious as ever this morning. There is an extract of him speaking on Murnaghan. Can’t see a link. It is entitled
    Video: Tony Blair: ‘Democracy is not just a way of voting it’s a way of thinking’ on http://news.sky.com/world

    ~~~

    There are problems at Air Traffic Control HQ at Swanwick. Flights in the South of England are being affected.

  84. Which part of the link Mary posted didn’t you understand?

    Which one? Of very many.

    … what this discussion was about?

    …is ambiguous to say the least. Granted.

  85. “Which one? Of very many.”

    So you jump in with your vicious ad hominem attacks branding people utterly humourless Englishmen and you haven’t got a clue what we’re talking about then.

  86. So you jump in with your vicious ad hominem attacks branding people utterly humourless Englishmen

    Woohoo. I rest my case, m’Lud.

    Sometimes I understand why trolls find this enjoyable…

  87. …and dare I even mention, er, vicious ad-hominem what-you-said about the SNP’s leader being a “beached whale”?

    lol

  88. Flaming June

    9 Jul, 2013 - 1:03 pm

    If Blair approves of Miliband’s actions, as he did this morning on Sky, then you know Miliband is wrong.
    Miliband Vows To Reform Labour’s Union Ties
    http://news.sky.com/story/1113175/miliband-vows-to-reform-labours-union-ties

    Billy Hayes of the CWU speaks out.
    Ed Miliband’s reform plans rejected as ‘dog whistle’ politics by union leader
    Proposed changes in link between the Labour party and unions condemned by CWU boss as attack on ordinary people
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jul/09/ed-miliband-reform-labour-union-link

    Q. Where is the Labour funding coming from? The next thing we will be hearing of demands for state funding of elections.

    Steve Bell’s take on it yesterday.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cartoon/2013/jul/08/len-mccluskey-davidcameron

  89. “…and dare I even mention, er, vicious ad-hominem what-you-said about the SNP’s leader being a “beached whale”?”

    So you don’t understand what ad hominem means either then.

  90. Kempe 7 Jul, 2013 – 4:15 pm

    I missed your link to the Guardian article. Yes it did report on the shooting by the FBI but probably after a lot of pressure from readers who wondered why the story was available on RT (30 May) and was not published till 3 June. What you have to ask yourself is would the Guardian have published this story without Russia Today. It is why these alternative news outlets are so important.

  91. “If the Bay of Pigs invasion had succeeded, Cuba would have been a free democracy.” Abe Rene.

    And what on earth makes you imagine that? Similar regimes were in power, or took power (via the USA’s help) all over ‘Latin’ America during this period and in just about case, they smashed anything resembling “free democracy” and turned the continent into an ocean of blood.

    I agree with you, though, about the health, etc. stats.

  92. It is OK, he is our son of a bitch

    “Our intent is take these soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines and intelligence officers to go from tactical-level operations and decision-makers to direct leadership roles,” said Bill Waddell, director of the command and control group and the cyberspace operations. “They have gotten promoted for being decisive and getting things done. Now they come here, and they have to get ready for roles where some of them will be general officers, admirals or on the staff of a senior leader.”

    Or even leaders all by themselves and their buddies with guns and tanks.

  93. “Yes it did report on the shooting by the FBI but probably after a lot of pressure from readers who wondered why the story was available on RT (30 May) and was not published till 3 June. What you have to ask yourself is would the Guardian have published this story without Russia Today.”

    Even the Fail covered the story when it first broke on the 22nd.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329001/Ibragim-Todashev-FBI-agent-fatally-shoots-suspect-Orlando-knew-Boston-Marathon-bombing-suspect-Tamerlan-Tsarnaev.html

    Earliest Gruniad story is dated the 30th May also:-

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/30/father-chechen-man-killed-fbi-inquiry

  94. BrianFujisan

    9 Jul, 2013 - 5:55 pm

    Bliar Being forced down our Throats again

    Great piece fron John Hilly

    What’s more contemptible: Tony Blair’s latest views in the Observer/Guardian on support for the military coup in Egypt, or the Observer/Guardian giving him such uncritical space to air them?

    A small sample of Blair’s shameless chutzpah:
    “So what should the west do? Egypt is the latest reminder that the region is in turmoil and won’t leave us alone, however we may wish it would.” (Emphasis added.)…..

    http://johnhilley.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/observerguardian-once-more-with-feeling.html

    Mod/Jon

    Sorry about rantings at daft o ,clock Monday morning…one too many, Numpty Me

  95. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    9 Jul, 2013 - 5:57 pm

    @ John Goss (and Komodo, at the end):

    “abbabkuk (La Vita È Bella!) 8 Jul, 2013 – 8:00 pm

    Wake up H. I have engaged you in debate.”
    ___________

    Have you?

    I have found two posts from you on the subject. The first refers to two “parallel cases” (by linking) and also links to a FOI request through which you pose a number of questions about Abu Qatada; the second repeats a couple of the questions in your FOI request and adds a reference to “white shits” who have not been deported.

    Now you may not agree with me, but I don’t think that is an appropriate start to a possible debate. I asked the question “does anyone here think that Qatada should NOT have been deported?”. You have identified yourself as one such (I think we can assume this from the spirit if not letter of your posts) and should now go on to give reasons and arguments for why you hold that opinion. I would then carry on by either agreeing, refuting or disputing. My point is that your two posts neither respect the proper structure of a “debate”, nor does their substance constitute the first element I mentioned above (ie, the “why I hold this or that opinion”).

    Whether or not this post is the end of the matter, I would though like to thank you for responding (and in a civil manner). Both are quite rare occurences on this blog, not only when I’m involved but also when on occasion two or more of the Excellences fall out over something (cf the above ongoing spat between Komodo and Fred :) )

    Which brings me to my thought on Komodo’s post, which was :

    “John – H keeps strange hours. There may be two of it. I don’t feed it these days.”

    It’s surely an unworthy thought, but…..when you don’t have a valid answer or explanation in response to something someone else has said, isn’t it a rather convenient way out just to say “I don’t discuss with Trolls”? A bit like a dog cocking his leg at the lamppost : you’ve left your little marker but you haven’t engaged further.

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