There is no obvious reason why the Western powers should care whether it was the friends or the family of Mohammed which took over the leadership of his movement upon his death. However there is plainly an agenda led by the USA to support the Sunnis in their spiralling regional conflict with the Shia.
This is not hard to rationalise. The ultra wealthy members of the Gulf regimes continue to act as the West’s proxies in the region and provide harbour to its neo-imperialist armed forces, while at the same time maintaining themselves a obscurantist version of Islam which would have horrified Mohammed and breaks virtually every precept of the Koran, particularly as regards treatment of women and of minority religions within their territory.
In Bahrain the large Shia majority is brutally repressed with active western collusion; in Saudi Arabia the Shia minority in the East is degraded. Iran is the great Shia bogey, and the West is so determined to maintain it as “the enemy” that they refuse the most basic diplomatic openings. The UK turned down an invitation to be represented at the inauguration of a new more moderate President and hold initial conversations. Meanwhile, Shia groups have mustered the only effective military resistance to Israeli aggression, and in Syria a Shia friendly regime is under intense pressure from the West and its Gulf allies. Peculiarly, in Iraq Western invasion resulted in the installation of a Shia regime, but that was only one of the entirely unforeseen consequences of that most stupid of invasions, and the Western response is to try to split up the country and fuel multiple insurgencies.
Meantime the CIA have now got a controlled and pro-Israeli military dictatorship back in power in Egypt, while the extraordinary complicity of the mainstream media and entire political class in the United States has never been more evident than in the acceptance that the military coup will not be designated a military coup. The manipulation of Western public opinion in the Syrian chemical weapons episode has, rarely, been too blatant to work. But events in Turkey and Egypt have shown that western public opinion is easily manipulated by the “secularist” angle. No matter how ugly political forces are – and in Turkey the Kemalists are very ugly – call them “secularist” and hide the rest, and you can attempt to topple elected governments in their favour with the full throated support of the media cheerleaders.
Last night’s vote in the Commons is welcome, but a blip. It owes more to political tribalism than to principle. Miliband and New Labour did not oppose military action, they merely wanted to be seen to be dictating the terms. As neither Tories nor Labour were prepared to accept the other’s terms for military action, the anti war minority could combine with the tribalists of each to make sure everything got defeated. Good but fortuitous.
The media are still in full war cry. Ashdown has never been so ashamed, apparently. He is not ashamed by extraordinary rendition and our torturing people. He is not ashamed of our responsibility for the death of hundreds of thousands in Iraq, with 2,000 people a day still meeting terrible deaths. He is ashamed that we don’t respond to the deaths of children by chemical weapons, we don’t really know at whose hands, by blasting to pieces a lot more children. Well, Paddy, you are a merciless fool who thinks a spiral of death is the answer, and I have never been more ashamed that I was for most of my adult life a member of the Liberal Democrats.
Ashdown did say bitterly that there was now no point in having such large armed forces. Hallelujah! The danger to the establishment that people might realise that spending more on weapons systems than on hospitals is a poor choice, is one reason this is not over. Much is at stake for the security state. Expect a mounting barrage of propaganda on the need for action in Syria. This is just the start.
A spokesman for Rumsfeld on BBC24 just decried the lack of parliamentary discipline in Westminster. He added that the UK is still playing its part though, as US warplanes are now in Cyprus.
‘Am I a master-bater?’
Yes. You are the king of fling. And I thank you for the requested laff-trak.
Also found at Zerohedge
http://captiongenerator.com/6790/Hitler-Reacts-to-the-UK-Syria-Vote
So, Cameron can’t deliver his own divided party to the PNAC plan. Only Labour, the real Atlanticists, can deliver the votes necessary.
But then there’s the ongoing campaign of attacks by the Blair gang on Ed’s leadership.
Military aren’t happy campers either:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/30/syria-vote-politics-military-uk-role
Well, at least a decline in UK’s position in the world does augur rather better for Scots independence.
Oh Habby,
When will you ever learn that pompous,self-aggrandising windbaggery does not a master debater make?
Do try better,sweetie…hmmm?
I imagine the Atlantic Bridgers will be seething.
Although Gove,the scheming little prig,will no doubt be calculating a move on the Tory leadership.
Where is Werrity anyway?
Maybe he’ll write a gushing foreword to Foxy’s new meisterwerk?
I think habby and anon are pimply spads in the Cameron/Hague axis.
That would explain it all falling apart:
“No 10 and the Foreign Office think Miliband is a fucking cunt and a copper-bottomed shit.”
Dear, oh dear. Bad losers, eh.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/30/david-cameron-accused-miliband-siding-russia
Did John Kerry actually just say ‘Domessus/Domestus’?
When hammond and paxman agreed on yesterday’s newsnight that chemical weapons have only been used once in the last century they not only forgot the previously mentioned:
* USA used napalm in vietnam
* USA used napalm in iraq
* Saddam’s killing of tens of thousands of iranians aided by us intelligence
* Israel used white phosphoros on palestinians
They also forgot that britain used napalm in macedonia in 1948:
http://www.pollitecon.com/html/reprints/Commemorating_the_British_Napalm_Bombing_of_Gramos_and_Vicho.html
You are absolutely correct, Craig.
Listening to Kerry speaking, it’s away to start very shortly.
When will this madness stop?
Has there been any reaction to the vote, from Blairio?
With Britain rapidly declining in the world, some may ask themselves what’s the use of Blair. Very damaged goods.
There’s been quite a mood shift amongst public opinion and elites will no doubt wish to reflect those concerns, not least because they’re there in military and intelligence circles too.
Blair seems the most public of the old gang still standing.
I do hope he doesn’t get scapegoated for recent Western crimes, but I can certainly see the temptation.
Woohoo!
Kerry just said the worlds most heinous weapons should never be used on the public!
The US just promised to never use any of their WMD’s!
“The US just promised to never use any of their WMD’s!”
Agent Orange/Agent Blue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange
This revolting offensive and disgustingly cruel comment should be taken down.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/08/30358/#comment-
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In Occupied Palestine 28 August 2013
Wednesday, 28 August 2013
Zionism in practice
Israel’s Daily Toll on Palestinian Life, Limb, Liberty and Property
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Israeli Navy opens fire on Palestinian fishing boats off Rafah
Tear gas casualties trapped in their home
Israeli Army issues orders for destruction of 8 Palestinian wells
Israeli Army home invasions and surveillance photography
Israeli Army stun grenade sets fire to Palestinian home
Settler militants invade Palestinian farmland – uprooting olive trees and bulldozing crops
19 Palestinians shot dead by Israeli forces since beginning of year
Night peace disruption and/or home invasions in refugee camp and 5 towns and villages
1 attack – 12 raids including home invasions – 1 beaten – 2 injured
3 acts of agricultural/economic sabotage
3 taken prisoner – 13 detained – 108 restrictions of movement
Whenever Kerry attempts to speak i just see bullets,bombs,missiles and mouldy baked beans tumbling out of his mouth.
The link to the comment.
30 Aug, 2013 – 5:36 pm
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/08/30358/#comment-426413
Kerry. We know when the missiles were fired. We know where they were fired from. We know everything.
Pity he never said who actually fired them. At least he managed to mention North Korea in his rant.
I informed here the words of an informer in Syria conveying the inside track as to chemical weapons a year+ ago… a little game of frame up. 😉
When Rumsfelds spokesman decried the lack of UK parliamentary discipline he was,in effect,decrying democratic process in action.
Hypocritical warmongering ogre.
Habby and his tag-team only popped in for a wee while earlier.
Methinks they’ll be off invading other blogs and fora awhile trying to convince that Kerry is a paragon of virtue and truth…
Lolz
Fucking Paddy has gone to seed, bloated, and freckled and going fucking senile, he moans; “what is the point of having a large military?” Well Paddy welcome to the fucking reality; none, nada, zilch, nowt, no fucking point in having a fucking large military, we are a fucking Island Paddy remember?
But Paddy is pissed off we didn’t tag along and go on a hunting party with the US on behalf of the ziofuckwits who don’t like to see Assad win. That is why Paddy is questioning the necessity of the large military. Paddy then waxed lyrical about how he sorted out Kosovo, yeah Paddy the place is still up the shit creek and the natives are looking to have another round or two, that is time and place permitting.
To cite Kosovo as an example is as good as watching Dr. Crippin lectures on new painless dentistry methods.
The mejdia however have proved to be so reluctant to give up the beating of the war drums regardless of the fact that Parliament has voted no, which brings up to the point will the fuckwits in the said medjia be prosecuted when justice and sanity prevails, under the charges of supporting war and mass murder?
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!) 30 Aug, 2013 – 5:36 pm
“Anon, see how I confound my interlocutors! My inexorable razor-keen logic crushes their petulant cavils like an armoured IDF bulldozer crushes the skull of a Palestinian infant. My incisive insights cling to their credibility like gobs of ropy desert spittle from a mob of yelping blacks cling to a scurrying Palestinian granny. Am I not a master debater?”
Shit I hadn’t read that comment. I say leave it up. We can link to it every time he claims the moral high ground. Which is all the fucking time of course. To be fair he doesn’t make any claims to modesty.
Yeah, Phil.
I say leave it up.
The Israelis must be fuming. All that money spent, for what.
There’ll be renewed questions about the power of the Israeli lobby to subvert democracy, and hopefully now in the US too.
Looks like the peeps are waking up at last.
Might have had better luck had they not tried to destroy our democracy, civil liberties and human rights.
Talk about pushing your luck.
Anyway, now that we’re withdrawing from this policing the world nonsense, can we have’em back.
That’s your best bet for re-election now Dave. It’s all domestic from here on in.
TV pundits are now saying the vote in Parliament might have been different, if the ‘document’ released by Kerry was available yesterday.
What has changed? Nothing!
Was there a chemical release in Syria? Probably.
Did the ‘document’ add anything to the debate? No.
We still don’t know who was responsible.
Yep agreed,leave the comment up.
Horrible,truly horrible.
TV pundits are another of those groups who’ve feasted well on the murder, maiming and destruction they’ve urged upon the world.
It’s precisely because they’re only puppets to the psychopathic cause, with little other value, that they continue to mime the same old song.
They now know no other.
So…A couple of days ago the “body count” in Ghouta was 330. The Brits vote not to ride shotgun with the Meister, and all of a sudden Kerry raises that to 1455.
Without the Brits, military action has become a harder sell to the US public. So up goes that all important total. Is it high enough, though?
Maybe go for the round 5k and have done with it John. Kids too. Almost exactly the same numbers and ratio of adults to kids as were butchered during Cast Lead. Who’s writing this script?
Pannell’s VT. Hmmm…something not quite right about it. Perhaps more eyes on it will reveal all. How were the injured ferried all the way from Damascus to Northern Syria, where Pannell was reporting from?
“Anon, see how I confound my interlocutors! My inexorable razor-keen logic crushes their petulant cavils like an armoured IDF bulldozer crushes the skull of a Palestinian infant. My incisive insights cling to their credibility like gobs of ropy desert spittle from a mob of yelping blacks cling to a scurrying Palestinian granny. Am I not a master debater?”
Keep it. The reality is the obscenity, not the words of antipathy or the diseased thinking which produces them. It’s a monument to suppressed rage, disguising itself as a hapless fool who celebrates life with a rather disturbing perversion.
Looks like the masked blatherer has beaten an own bush Mary – it sounded like a ‘thank-you’ note.
Bon débarras!
Juteman 30 Aug, 2013 – 7:13 pm
“TV pundits are now saying the vote in Parliament might have been different, if the ‘document’ released by Kerry was available yesterday.”
Paxman said within minutes of yesterdays vote that things might have been different if the panorama footage had been broadcast half an hour earlier.