Vanishing Plane

by craig on March 17, 2014 7:39 am in Uncategorized

If the missing Malaysian plane landed, it must have done so with the collusion of at least one government.  The broadcast media is full this morning of ludicrous speculation that the plane has been landed in Afghanistan by the Taliban (the Uighurs having apparently gone out of fashion temporarily as Muslim scapegoats).  They are trying to tell us that a Boeing 777 could hedge hop under military radar for thousands of miles with nobody noticing.

What on earth is the interest of the media in propagating this absolute guff?  South East Asia is highly militarized.  Radar is hardly cutting edge technology.  The idea that a very large plane could overfly China, India or Pakistan without anybody being alerted is an absolute nonsense.  Other countries in the region, such as Burma, Indonesia and the ex-Soviet countries, also have effective airspace surveillance.

If the plane indeed took the “northern corridor” it must have had government connivance.  Otherwise, it took the southern corridor into the open sea and has gone down there.  That last is by far the more likely scenario, and either progressive malfunction of some kind, or crew or staff suicide, the most likely causes.

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  1. This is sound speculation. Suicide was my thought too, though why anyone would want to kill others is beyond my comprehension. If it landed somewhere at least one of the passengers would have used their mobile, another way those who monitor us could easily locate the plane. But there is still something strange about the way it has been reported.

  2. James Chater

    17 Mar, 2014 - 8:17 am

    Has anyone noticed the resemblance between these events and the story of Hergé’s Tintin book, “Flight 714 for Sydney”? Here a private jet flying from Jakarta to Sidney is hijacked and avoids radar by flying at a low altitude, before reaching its mysterious destination.

  3. More of the MSM crap.

    ‘Michael McCaul, the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee also said US intelligence was focusing on the two pilots.

    The senior US politician also suggested hijackers may have landed the plane and be planning to use it “as a cruise missile” in a 9/11-style terror attack.’

    with a helpful graphic of little red dots.×293.jpg

    McCaul is chair of the Homeland Security Committee.

  4. Fact:
    Whoever hi-jacked the plane, crew and/or terrorists must avoid any outside contact of the passengers. We learned from 9/11 that even a large number of very aggressive hi-jackers can not prevent passengers from using mobile phones or even launching an attack against the terrorist team itself. So he/she/they have to take them out first and quickly –

    – and probably did so by climbing to 45,000 ft and manipulating the survival systems in the cabin. This is working at FL 30 too, but goes much faster at FL 45 allowing the cabin people even less time to break into the cockpit. He/she/them then drop to a safer FL 20 or so to check the cabin. Now passengers would not be a problem anymore even when flying over land.

    As this can be done by one single aviator without planning and quite adhoc, the pilote suicide theory is not off the table.

    If this was a terrorist act, they sure learned their lesson from the Pennsylvania plane on 9/11.

    I do not believe ANY government being part in this other by utter incompetence. I do not believe in a terrorist act as someone would have claimed it already. I do not believe the plane landed safely somewhere. I believe the passengers were all literally “put to sleep” by a sick mind, before the plane touched ground. The latter might be the only comforting news in this tragedy

  5. David Cooper

    17 Mar, 2014 - 8:39 am

    Where do you hide a tree? If the 777 wanted to overfly SE Asian countries a false flight plan may have allowed them to fly the usual lanes under bogus id. I kind of suspect that when a plane arrives in controlled airspace the controllers don’t check that the flight really originated where it claimed if the rest of its details seem ok. Something like a delivery of an aircraft to new owners or a flight to a maintenance hub for a major overhaul – any one-shot deal that’s outside scheduled flight but won’t raise any eyebrows would do as the cover story.
    I think this plane is on the ground somewhere. If it was just a suicide, why so much complication?

  6. Eric Oliver,

    Even in a small fast military jet, you could not fly from Malaysia to Afghanistan undetected. Why do you think they bother to build stealth planes if huge airliners can fly anywhere invisibly?

  7. David Cooper,

    Yes, but I very much doubt you are the only person in the world to think of that. I think you will find that all non-scheduled flights in the relevant area on the day have by now been thoroughly checked out to make sure they did happen.

  8. Here is the report from the Malaysian Straits Times. Scroll down to shot of Malaysian cop holding up photos of the two guys who boarded with stolen passports. The shots are Photoshopped, both men have the same legs. How does that happen?

  9. KWN

    Not only that, they are both wearing the same kilt! Very strange, I agree, but I don’t think a serious attempt to deceive or they wouldn’t have left the 2mm white gap between the body and legs on the left hand photo.

  10. “Even in a small fast military jet, you could not fly from Malaysia to Afghanistan undetected. Why do you think they bother to build stealth planes if huge airliners can fly anywhere invisibly?”

    How about this theory?

  11. Craig

    ‘Not only that, they are both wearing the same kilt!’

    What are the odds of that! Two people travelling independently on a plane with stolen passports both wearing a kilt.

    Obviously a psyop.

  12. Some theories are on par with this historical gem

  13. Buenos Boca

    That Keith Ledgerwood link you posted is fascinating. But who is Keith Ledgerwood? He has no other posts that I can see.

  14. Buenos Boca

    Fascinating. I am not convinced it could really fly close enough to be a single blip on the radar screen. Even second world war radar could give an approximation of number of planes, and they were smaller and in close formation. But more to the point large jets have to stay a distance behind each other because wake turbulence can seriously affect lift – there have been fatal accidents from precisely that cause. So I don’t think it’s a practical.

  15. “Fact:
    Whoever hi-jacked the plane, crew and/or terrorists must avoid any outside contact of the passengers. We learned from 9/11 that even a large number of very aggressive hi-jackers can not prevent passengers from using mobile phones or even launching an attack against the terrorist team itself. So he/she/they have to take them out first and quickly – ”

    A cell phone would not work on an airliner over the Indian Ocean, they are too far from any transmitter. My phone doesn’t get much of a signal on my kitchen table and I can see the mast from my house.

    If the plane was fitted with a relay, which I doubt, it could be turned off.

    Which only leaves satellite phones and not many people have them.

  16. Craig,

    that’s right – eventually it will be detected and intercepted. UA 93 was quite some time airborne under the eyes of the most vigilant and powerful air defense in the world. In a state of national alert. In full daylight. Question: What might have been a realistic window of time/distance for any potential MH370 terrorist to fly undisturbed, in the dark, in this geopolitical area?

    Agree – they cannot fly forever undetected. This makes S-bound route heading for the Indian ocean more realistic.

    I wonder whether one already used high res infrared satellite imagery. The contrails (or better the exhaust fumes) can be easily detected as they would appear white or light grey… and hence would be the path of the plane

  17. After the “goodnight” reply the SATCOM (which was not switched off) ping must have been heard by someone for the next 6 hours at each hourly interval. The Malaysians have to be complicit in this matter, for FIVE DAYS they had 14 countries barking up the wrong South China Sea tree, deliberately, surely they were told/knew about the 6 additional pings.

    THAT THE PLANE HAD STILL BEEN IN THE AIR for the next 6 hours and would have been in either the North or the South “corridor” and not in the South China Sea search zone?!!

  18. I don’t know this Keith Ledgerwood but I can see he has been on Twitter (not very active) for a few years

  19. Surely climbing to 45,000 ft and suicide are linked? If one of the pilots wanted to crash the plane, they effectively showed mercy to the passengers by decompressing the plane at 45,000ft rather than put them through the horror of knowing they were going to crash into the sea and die.

  20. There is a word going on among commercial pilots that the plane carried a cargo of 10 metric tons of gold. A Polish airline pilot gave a press interview a few days back and confirmed that this is what pilots are hearing informally. He also said the procedures are such that the pilot learns about the cargo only when signing off at the point of departure, so planning ahead would be very tricky without the involvement of someone above.
    In this context, some people point towards the Malaysian transport minister who issued contradictory statements which were in odds with those being issued by Malaysian army and police and seemed to direct the investigations in the wrong direction. That’s of course only speculation. But engine failure, terrorism and planned suicide can already be safely ruled out IMHO.
    As to detection capabilities of South Asian countries, having worked in the region for several years and familiar wit the military there, I would not overestimate that. The countries of the region don’t live in a cold war scenario (except for India and Pakistan) and thus don’t necessarily run detection over uninhabited space 24/7.

  21. @Kashmiri – R u saying Tunku, the Malaysian transport minister who issued contradictory statements , was tanked up on palm wine? Clearly the fool was causing a lot of the Chinese relatives to be very very irate.

  22. “There is a word going on among commercial pilots that the plane carried a cargo of 10 metric tons of gold.”

    There hasn’t been much in the MSM but it’s looking like the bubble may be bursting in China. One large iron foundry has already defaulted and we’re feeling the effects in the Highlands of Scotland.

  23. China has been flexing its muscles in recent weeks. I think the flight has been diverted to Guam, in order to monitor Chinese detection capability and/or diplomatic reaction.

    I’m sure there will be some kind of cup of tea and sandwiches on Guam. I’m sure that China knows what’s going on. Obama wants to focus on the Pacific, so he has to prove that he is at least in the game.

  24. Kashmiri

    I am afraid SE Asia is full of states which are highly paranoid militarily – and pretty well equipped. Not just India/Pak. The Koreas, Indonesia, Burma, Malysia itself, Vietnam all have proper air defence systems.

  25. Craig: “Buenos Boca

    Fascinating. I am not convinced it could really fly close enough to be a single blip on the radar screen. […] But more to the point large jets have to stay a distance behind each other because wake turbulence”

    Flying a couple of hundred feet below the other aircraft would keep you out of its wake turbulence, allow you to see it (just about – particularly if you were a little behind as well) and merge the blips on primary radar. Military radar can measure altitude as well (civilian primary radar typically can’t – controllers use the altimeter reading returned by the secondary radar transponder for height information) but I suspect would not distinguish two targets like this except, perhaps, if they were very close to the radar head so the angle was steep.

  26. Ed Davies,

    I am genuinely unsure it would work – I am pretty sure two hundred feet below and behind would get you identified as two planes. Otherwise it would be a known military tactic and guarded against.

  27. The media are pushing guff because the governments involved, especially the USA and Malaysia, and their so-called experts are lying to it.

    The crash was still caused by cabin sabotage which oil rig operator Mike McKay saw and reported at the time, and Chinese seismologists noticed the consequences of when the vaporized debris finally hit the seabed floor, causing a minor earthquake.

    The disaster was to leave Beijing carrying the can as its citizens are now furious about the plight of the survivors of its victims.

  28. Buenos Bocas, a great site thanks it says more about the affaisr than anything else.

    I have worked with PAR’s CW, RoR’s, Ed Davies is right, you can fly as one blip, either slightly above or below another plane, but you would have to focus hard to keep exact distance at all times, the moment you lag behind a couple of hundred feet you previous return doppler would be replaced by a slightly different return and it would register on the screen.

  29. I have witnessed the merging of two aircraft into a single radar echo on Naval exercises. It is a proven military maneuver.

    I, myself am fearful as to where this aircraft (777-2H6ER) will be flown after a remote control refit.

  30. Keith Ledgerwood has the timings wrong.

    The plane turned off its ADS-B transponder off the east coast
    at 1.21 pm local time, or 1721 UTC, not 1621 UTC..

    It was then tracked by the air defence radar at RMAF Butterworth
    till midway along the P268 route at 2.15 pm local time, or 1815 UTC,
    not 1715 UTC.

    Moreover, he said MH370 relied on SIA68’s ADS-B relaying on
    its position to military radar in India as a single blip. Military, or
    air defence radar, is totally active and does not need the passive
    reception from any transponder to register a radar return on the

    The antennae sends out, or transmits, a radar beam, which bounces
    off the target and returns to the ground station, which of course
    shows up a a blip on its display. Both planes would definitely have
    been detected on primary air defence radar.

    And I don’t think that flying just 200 feet below and behind the
    Singapore plane would have been able to mask the Malaysian
    plane’s radar return.

    Modern air defence radars, which I am sure the Indians have
    along their eastern coast and borders, are 3D phased array
    radars which use sophisticaed electronic processing of radar
    returns, and would easily have detected two large airliners.

  31. I particularly like the lies about the plane’s captain – you know the political madman who put together his own practice module, so that he could divert the plane somewhere immediately after Anwar Ibrahim, the pro-demorcacy leader was imprisoned for sodomy.

    Then he was so eager to kill everyone on board that he deliberately turned off the transponder before he signed off that everything was okay – the only thing he could do which showed that it wasn’t.

    Jesus, what a madhouse world we live in!

  32. “Has anyone noticed the resemblance between these events and the story of Hergé’s Tintin book, “Flight 714 for Sydney”?”

    Yes lets blame the Belgians – no more bizarre than most of the other half cock theories that are flying around.

  33. It doesn’t matter how sophisticated the radar is by it’s very nature radar is a line-of-sight device. If the aircraft is below the horizon the most powerful radar in the world isn’t going to pick it up and it wouldn’t have to fly very low over the ocean to remain undetected by coastal radar stations. The British task force sent to the Falklands was severely handicapped by a lack of airborne radar, they could only see out to the horizon which enabled the Argentine air force to surprise HMS Sheffield.

  34. Thank you Tham, my concerns with flying close to another aircraft would be the automatic collission alert which would have indicated another aircraft within, I believe 1000 ft., if someone can collaborate that.

    Whatever behind a kidnap/steal theory, the pilot would have to leave his previous life behind and start anew somewhere, most likely with a full facial reconstruction and new identity, he will need accomplishes to get rid of the plane, its big and can be seen, military grade satelites can pick out any plane shape, civil or military.

    I maintain that it would be possible to fool the radar, whis is not looking in that direction but into the other direction, the south China sea. It is an avenue one should look into, both pilot and c o pilot would need passports and new names in any case. Building your own simulator is clever electronics, what else did he build? would be my question.

    Tham I never said that they needed a transponder, but to fly underneath or above the plane, slightly offset to the right or left, depending on where the ground radar is located.

    I find it somewhat sanctimonius for military top notch Awacs to be stationed in the indian Ocean some hours flight away from where they could have shone a light on this discrepancies between engine data and estimated flight patterns and we are hearing nothing from anybody.

    Such vaccum will make for all sorts of scenario’s

  35. Now the Malasyian authorities have changed these lies – the previous report about the captain signing off after the transponder was turned off has been rep;aced by the co-pilot signing off before the transponder was turned off.

    The whole lot of investigators should be put in the dock!

  36. Flying undetected because in the same blip radar screen as another plane is very unlikely.
    It would mean you know where the other plane is (you have to find it), you know the exact moment you fly exactly under that plane, you know its speed and have the exact same one and above all you know its destination and can follow the same route. You’ll be detected as soon as it takes another route and will have to find another plane to do the same again, adjusting your speed to its by tricky manoeuvres.

  37. I hope you’re both joking about ‘kilts’, or else you won’t pass your photo-intelligence exams. The bloke on the right is holding a bag at hip height, in front of his trousers. The chap on the left is wearing jeans or similar – you can see the waistband.

  38. One big mystery right now is why we’ve only been given the ping “arc” for the last received ping. They must have the arcs for previous pings which will provide further information.

    Yesterday CNN briefly broadcast that they had reason to believe the last two pings were on the same arc. Possibly even the same location and that indicated the plane could be on the ground. They haven’t mentioned it again. Of course if two or more pings were from approximately the same location it could also indicate a plane flying a holding pattern until the fuel ran out.

    Strange then that they haven’t published any other data on the earlier pings.

  39. Planes are difficult to hijack in the US, post 9/11. But much easier to hijack in backwater countries like Malaysia where playboy pilots open the cockpit cabin for impromptu visits by pretty, young ladies.

    I am now wondering if the plane might have been hijacked and flown to a location (abandoned airfield?) where the passengers were disembarked (and murdered, I suppose) and the plane refitted and refuelled to be later flown and merged with a busy route to the US where it can relive a 9/11 style attack. The new One World Trade Center building that replaces the original twin towers in New York is scheduled to open in mid 2014 – only three months away.

    What an extraordinary, spectacular attack it would be on the US on that day if it comes to pass.

    Looking at the Boeing 777 specs, I think it could be capable of flying the distance to the US from anywhere in the world. With extra fuel tanks replacing passengers, seats and baggage, it might be possible to fly an elaborate route that confounds air traffic controllers, inveigle its way into US air space and approach its target before a preventative response can be deployed.

    The three months leading up to the opening of the new One World Trade Center, would be needed to refit the plane for its destructive mission.

    [edit : I see others have speculated about this possibility]

    Then again, it could be a heist.

  40. I wonder whether some power other than China thought it was about time to hit China with a biggie, but Chinese security was far stronger than they thought. If so, we may soon see some effects on the stock exchanges.

  41. Possible Jemand considering $scads of ‘unable to be tracked’ transactions in Pentagon accounting. $Billions were paid down on the Twin Towers operation where a number of converted aircraft were forfeited.

  42. A team of 20 key members of Freescale were on the plane. Electronic warfare?

  43. What was the final cui bono on Lockerbie?

    Kill hundreds to cover the murder of a few?

  44. What was the mission? Do the timelines match?

    Disbelieving family and friends of an ex-Navy SEAL who died of an apparent drugs overdose on the ship made famous in the movie Captain Phillips are convinced of a ‘cover-up’ and have called for a US investigation into his death, MailOnline can reveal today.
    The body of Mark Kennedy, a super fit, highly-decorated member of the elite fighting force, was found inside a cabin on the cargo ship Maersk Alabama – the vessel involved in a 2009 hijacking that ended with Somali pirates shot dead by SEALs.”

    Read more:
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  45. 1) Radar Interference,

    2) Target Modifications

    3) Changing Electrical Properties of Air.

  46. “For example, a U.S. intelligence assessment described to The Daily Beast by current and former U.S. intelligence officials, concluded any Israeli attack on Iran would go far beyond fighter plane airstrikes and would likely deploy EW against Iran’s electric grid, Internet, cellphone network, and emergency frequencies for firemen and police officers.

    “For example, Israel has developed a weapon capable of mimicking a maintenance cellphone signal that commands a cell network to “sleep,” effectively stopping transmissions, officials confirmed. The Israelis also have jammers capable of creating interference within Iran’s emergency frequencies for first responders.”

    In a 2007, “the Syrian military got a taste of this warfare when Israeli planes ‘spoofed’ the country’s air-defense radars, at first making it appear that no jets were in the sky and then in an instant making the radar believe the sky was filled with hundreds of planes.”
    Last year, it was announced that new stealth technology makes airplanes invisible not only to radar, it also renders them hidden to the human eye as well — “just like an invisibility cloak in a Hollywood sci-fi thriller,”

    – See more at:

  47. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t it the case that the arcs on which the plane must be are purely determined by the distance to the satellite being equal across all points? Therefore if this plane really were taken somewhere else far away, wouldn’t it be very unlikely that the chosen path would cross right through the area in which it vanished? Remember this is a not a flight path. To me this has been overlooked. I believe this is strong evidence that the plane was still very much in the vicinity of Malaysia/Indonesia at 8.11am and I do believe when it is found it will be very close to there.

  48. Thanks Ben – ECM or electronic warfare (EW) as it was known was a component of my profession and still remains a field of interest esp. blocking the guidance control systems of professional surveillance ‘drones’ RPV’s or UAV’s.

  49. Mark; I suspected as much. :)

  50. News outlets furiously reporting the backgrounds of passengers, also pilot and co.
    They insist someone with aviation communications and technology, turned off ACARS from WITHIN the cockpit.

    “Hackers and security researchers have warned for years of vulnerabilities in next-generation air traffic control protocols. But Teso focused on a different protocol called Aircraft Communications Addressing and Report System, (ACARS) a simple data exchange system that has evolved over decades to now include everything from weather data to airline schedules to changes to the plane’s flight management system.”

  51. The idea that a very large plane could overfly China, India or Pakistan without anybody being alerted is an absolute nonsense.

    So it couldn’t have happened over the US on 9/11 either. Which means …..

  52. The Freescale semiconductor engineers is a major lead as far as I’m concerned. It is already public knowledge that the US government is worried that electronic goods made in China can be designed to spy, and some of those Freescale engineers are US trained Chinese. Did somebody want them “disappeared”?

  53. ” Did somebody want them “disappeared”?”

    I blame the flight crew.. :)

  54. Distance form Kuala Lampur to Seychelles– 3400 miles.
    Range of 777 –5200 miles.

    Maersk Alabama?

  55. Why would Freescale enjoy a 52 week high on the ‘DJ?

    Wouldn’t the loss of 20 key engineers send it tumbling?

  56. Now that Washington has helped greatly to expand vastly the search area for the missing plane, presumed either hijacked somewhere far off, and crashed in the Indian Ocean, guess what happens now?

    It is scaling back its efforts, leaving them to the Aussies!

    Could be the wildest wild goose chase ever!

  57. Diego Garcia. Just sayin’.

  58. John Robertson

    17 Mar, 2014 - 11:42 pm

    “Diego Garcia. Just sayin’.” Does make one wonder why no one mentions this.

  59. Completely agree. The most likely scenario is progressive malfunction of the aircraft, with the plane eventually crashing into the sea. The media’s theories of the aircraft being flown for thousands of miles undetected are laughable, and their smearing of the pilots without any real evidence is disgraceful. What happened to real journalism rather than printing every rumour that came along? I really can’t for the life of me understand why anyone still pays for newspapers – you might as well buy a comic.
    I sometimes wonder whether all the technology around us has just left many people unable to think for themselves, so they graft reality on to the latest trashy film they have seen.

  60. After I read Mr. Murray’s utterly ridiculous statement about the Myanmar air defense, I think it is a good thing to remind him how some punk 19-year old kraut by the name of Matthias Rust, managed to sneak past 500 miles of state-of-the-art Soviet air defense and land in the middle of Red Square!

  61. I’m not so sure the plane couldn’t have flown undetected over some of those countries. The way things are supposed to operate and the way things actually do operate in those places are often very different things. Especially when technology and state-run bureaucracy are concerned – both of which would apply to airspace surveillance. You also have the problem of negative results fatigue in such a system – the operators on the ground are looking for something that in their experience never happens, like a plane flying a totally unexpected route. So without very carefull training and drilling they will soon get bored and stop looking properly. Or switch the systems off to save money. Or neglect maintenance so half the system doesn’t function as it should. Come on, this is India, Pakistan, Burma, Indonesia, various -stan’s we are talking about. Perhaps not so much China, but even there, the recent aircraft carrier launched is hardly a marvel of military technology.

    (I do believe The US and European systems will now be on high alert and anybody trying to get an unexpected, 777-sized flight into their airspace will be given a welcoming party.)

    Still, for the pilots or supposed hijackers to have anticipated which countries would be watching and where and planned a strategy around that is pretty high-risk for them. Also, if they flew over land at 5,000 feet you would expect at least a few ordinary people on the ground to have noticed a massive jet flying low overhead and with the blanket news coverage put two and two together and reported something. Even the most remote areas must now have heard this story.

    I like the gold idea above – or perhaps something or somebody else of value on the plane that nobody is thinking / being told about? It has the makings of a good conspiracy theory and something that SPECTRE would put together in an old James Bond movie. A massive boat ready to open its bows and suck the crash-landed jet in?

    Progressive malfunction is not possible from what we are told of the deliberate nature of the aircraft movements, system shutdowns, and the lack of any kind of communication attempts by either crew or passengers. Although maybe that’s been misjudged and the explanation really is that simple.

    For pilot suicide, it’s a rather complex plan. “I’ll take myself and 200+ others and try as hard as possible to leave no trace so nobody figures out what’s happened to us.” Rather than simply a last “F*CK THE WORLD” cry and into the sea? Who knows what goes through a suicidal mind, but possible, I guess.

    At this point, it seems all bets are on…

  62. Got it – ALIEN ABDUCTION.

  63. “I like the gold idea above…something that SPECTRE would put together in an old James Bond movie.”

    Similar to the plot of the 1993 film Cliffhanger, where a plane is hijacked by insiders for its consignment of banknotes.

    In 2005 Helios 522 flew for over an hour on auto-pilot with no communication from crew or pilot due to hypoxia caused by a cabin pressure leak, only crashing when it ran out of fuel.

  64. I predict that soon this thread will ground to a halt (as it gets replaced with other newsworthy items) but you are always welcome to continue your rants at the record-braking thread with soon (this week) 20,000 comments, which primarily deals with the Al-Hilly murders, which happened 1½ years ago, but also takes up other current issues.

  65. IMHO, the plane wouldn’t have been taken North because they wouldn’t risk confronting so many national air defences. That makes it likely that they went South, and the most likely place is Indonesia, since the Islamists that organised the Bali bombing are there. So if the plane is intact, I would expect it to be under wraps in some remote region of Indonesia, to be used as a weapon. I hope I’m wrong.

  66. Sorry for submitting my opinion here:

    This was a criminal gold heist, perhaps supported by a few governments or by bribed and/or blackmailed members of a few governments.
    Of course i am no insider but i am having friends in the ukraine who know a lot more than the media do.

    feb 27th/28th 2014
    The Chinese ambassador to the ukraine meets the new foreign minister of the ukraine for an urgent talk in kiev regarding the unpaid chinese $ 3 billion loan (given to ukraine in 2012). That loan was contractually secured by the ukrainian gold reserves (33 metric tons).
    So far the ukraine had repaid $ 150 million worth of grain only, although they should have delivered one billion us $ worth of grain by now.
    The chinese ambassador requests an immediate repayment of that loan due to the turmoil and political uncertainity of the ukraine.
    They negotiate and agree to extend the repayment of that loan if the gold reserves were to be stored in china immediately. That was an urgent call and an ultimatum.

    March 6th/7th 2014 night
    Several witnesses see in Borispol airport (kiev) several trucks arriving and loading heavy boxes into an unidentified transport aircraft. There are already many online rumours on the web that this is gold and that it would be carried to the FED in NY. The airplane did depart shortly after midnight but i have heard from witnesses that it didnt depart towards west but towards east (direction asia and it could be tracked flying south east as long as it was in the ukrainian airspace).

    March 7th estimated 8pm local time (+8) that plane arrives in Kuala Lumpur.
    In kuala lumpur the cargo is received and checked by representatives of Asia Pacific and ANZ bank who received a gold import licence from china in january 2014. Earlier than 2014 most gold to china was carried via Hong Kong and their Hong Kong Asia Pacific branch and a chinese bank.

    March 7th 11pm (3 hours later)
    The gold is signed as cargo for MH370 to peking and loaded into the 777.
    (For safety reasons china imports gold via Asia Pacific capital and carries that gold by commercial airlines only since never in history before pilots of commercial airlines did deliberately depart into other countries or to other destinations. Private planes, however, with two pilots only, had deliberately diverted often before and had stolen the freight).

    March 8th 0:21
    MH 370 is taking of

    One hour later the plane is highjacked (either remotely or by the pilots or by PAX) and diverted to an unknown destination.

    Btw, this was done in the same way as Semion Mogilevich had got his private nuclear bomb. However those were military planes at that time but no commercial passenger planes.

  67. Ba'al Zevul (Flight MH370 was Downed by a Giant Squid)

    18 Mar, 2014 - 10:32 am

    Q. “What on earth is the interest of the media in propagating this absolute guff?”

    “I am hardly the only stick-in-the-mud to observe that the impending takeover of Crimea, a precise piece of geopolitical logistics and confrontation with a full menu of international implications – journalistic red meat – has been blown away by a story with no evident meaning, other than the likely bleak fate of most onboard.

    It is, of course, an ideal story for the current journalism era because it costs nothing. Nobody has to go anywhere. Nobody has to cover the wreckage and the recovery. Not only is the story pretty much all just theories – but theories are cheap.” (Michael Wolff)

  68. I think it was a malfunction, the news of which would cause massive losses to the airline industry. So feet were dragged in the hope that one organisation or another would claim responsibility for it. For some reason, this time, no one did.

    Both the Malay and the US know something that they don’t want others to hear.
    Something that will destroy Malay Airlines and Boeing.

  69. @Kashmiri
    17 Mar, 2014 – 10:22 am

    Do you have a link for the media interview of that polish pilot?
    Thanks in advance.

  70. Good comment (the long one), DavidH.

    Re gold heist, I imagine that planes only carry enough fuel plus a safe margin to make their scheduled journeys. The amount of fuel would be based on numbers of passengers, baggage and cargo.

    If ten tonnes of gold was part of the cargo, I would expect that to be reflected in the amount of fuel that was rationed for the flight. 

    Anybody know how we can find out how much fuel the missing plane was carrying?

  71. The plot is working like a charm for the culprits with the relatives of the 150 Chinese victims threatening a hunger strike if their authorities don’t come up with more information about what happened to their loved ones, and threatening to march on mass to the the Malaysian Embassy to get some answers for the sabotaged airplane from its ambassador.

    IAnd I see that the site’s biggest prevaricators are getting involved to spread the confusion.

    Just remember you read it here from me about what really happened, and why the plane and its 239 passengers will never be found..

  72. Ba'al Zevul (Jolly Boating Weather!)

    18 Mar, 2014 - 11:54 am

    THCF ventures –

    “Chinese seismologists noticed the consequences of when the vaporized debris finally hit the seabed floor, causing a minor earthquake.”

    If it was ‘vaporized’ in the air, it couldn’t cause an ‘earthquake’ on the sea floor. If it caused an ‘earthquake’, it wasn’t ‘vaporized’. Try and be consistent.

    And are we still relying on a laser, Trow? See, if the a/c is never found it’s going to be a little hard to know if you were right or not, and I think my belief in your wonderful theory will have to depend on how often you tell me it’s true.

  73. Still think it was caused by a laser, its beam rupturing the skin of the plane’s fuselage from one of its toilets, and bring back a bolt of lightning which knocked out the whole electrical system which created the inferno that Mike McKay witnessed high in the sky, and resulted in the plane and its passengers being reduced to dust, like what happened to the WTC and the Pentagon on 9/11.

    Don’t know how else to describe this debris, hitting the water with tremendous force, and going down to the seabed to cause the earthquake.

    Interesting to see that the site faithfully who helped cover up William Hershkovitz’s murders of the al-Hillis are now making their presence known here. Augurs well for this cover up. too.

  74. Ba'al Zevul (Jolly Boating Weather!)

    18 Mar, 2014 - 12:29 pm

    “….the plane and its passengers being reduced to dust…”

    looks pretty unambiguous to me. Maybe all the dust stuck together again before hitting the seafloor? That would have been due to the secret handheld gluon generator carried by Agent Y?

    “…like what happened to the WTC and the Pentagon on 9/11.”
    Ah, you mean the a/c flew into a bloody great building suspended over the Indian Ocean? The mists are beginning to clear. Thank you.

    Hershkowitz…the story appears to originate in Sweden. I wonder who “Model T Ford” is?

  75. Call it a 300-ton fireball – like a big meteor in the atmosphere hitting the water and the seabed – if you like. Have to look to see if it caused a small, underreported tsunami.

    The point about the 9/11 planes is that there was so little remains of them found that loony conspiracy theorists, especially Jim Fetzer, denied that they even existed.

    And if you read the whole link you provided about Hershkovitz’s murders, you would see that I originally appeared as myself, and only became MTF because it was the only way I could post after I had been banned unannounced, and without explanation.

  76. Jemand asked:

    Anybody know how we can find out how much fuel the missing plane was carrying?

    YOU and I definitely cannot tell. Judging by the Closseau-like way the investigation has evolved, it is doubtful whether the Malayan authorities has any clue either. For the determineded organisation behind this abduction it would be small beer to simply bribe the guy — or his boss — who comes out with the petrol-filling van, and while the van is alongside the plane, simply let it fill it up.

    Nobody would notice if it is parked there for longer. It all comes down to whether the people running the airport has meticoulous control of all destinations for all flights on any single day, and that they at the end of the day compares this with the amount of fuel brought into the airport. Maybe the US and other advanced countries has this sort of check in place, but I cannot imagine that a thirdworld country like Malaysia has it.

  77. Jemand asked:

    Anybody know how we can find out how much fuel the missing plane was carrying?

    YOU and I definitely cannot tell. Judging by the Closseau-like way the investigation has evolved, it is doubtful whether the Malayan authorities has any clue either. For the determineded organisation behind this abduction it would be small beer to simply bribe the guy — or his boss — who comes out with the petrol-filling van, and while the van is alongside the plane, simply let it fill it up.

    Nobody would notice if it is parked there for longer. It all comes down to whether the people running the airport has meticoulous control of all destinations for all flights on any single day, and that they at the end of the day compares this with the amount of fuel brought into the airport. Maybe the US and other advanced countries has this sort of check in place, but I cannot imagine that a thirdworld country like Malaysia has it.

  78. Ba'al Zevul (That's Why We Go Round IN Pairs)

    18 Mar, 2014 - 1:13 pm

    ….because it was the only way I could post after I had been banned unannounced, and without explanation.

    I’m sure there was an explanation, but it probably defied the laws of physics too…

  79. If I may add a final sentence to my previous post, it would be this:

    -and indeed this is the reason why Kuala Lumpur was chosen in the first place.

  80. Now US investigators are claiming that the diversion of the plane to the left was programmed into the flight plan on the computer between the pilots, though they don’t when for sure when it was done, and if for sure by them.

    Of cours, one would like to know how they can read what is in the vanished computer.

    Why don’t they imagine where the plane itself is.

    You just can’t make this shit up -leave it to the so-called experts!

  81. The timing was perfect. Leaving Kuala Lampur airspace, using that dead-zone before VietNam could establish vectors.

    I don’t believe in coincidences.

  82. Mark Golding said he has personally witnessed two planes merging into one radar signature.

    “British anti-terror expert Dr Sally Leivesley said last night: “It might well be the world’s first cyber hijack.”

    Dr Leivesley, a former Home Office scientific adviser, said the hackers could change the plane’s speed, altitude and direction by sending radio signals to its flight management system. It could then be landed or made to crash by remote control. Possible culprits include criminal gangs, terrorists or a foreign power.”

  83. Don’t tell me the Freescale 20 aren’t relevant.

    Freescale’s commercial products can meet the requirements of applications such as:

    Battlefield communications
    HF through L- and S-Band radar
    Missile guidance
    Electronic warfare
    Identification, friend or foe (IFF)

  84. “Dr Leivesley, a former Home Office scientific adviser, said the hackers could change the plane’s speed, altitude and direction by sending radio signals to its flight management system.”

    Of course this could be done without the pilots noticing and taking manual control of the aircraft.

  85. Kenneth; Your namesake has been linked to a couple of blogs on your theory on SIA68

  86. Or Ledgerwood, if that isn’t you.

  87. It is a ‘capability’ Kempe.

  88. Kempe; The rapid ascent and then free-fall could have been purposed to disable the crew with massive G-forces.

  89. @PhilPalmer
    17 Mar, 2014 – 11:04 pm

    re: Diego Garcia

    This from today’s Telegraph:

    “12.46 Intriguing new line from The Malay Mail Online.

    Police scouring Capt Shah’s flight simulator – which he installed in his home – have found five Indian Ocean practice runways.

    One is in the Maldives.

    One is on Diego Garcia.

    The other three are in India and Sri Lanka.”

  90. Mochy; That’s interesting. The pilot having a flight simulator at home is strange enough.

    Diego is about 2300 miles southwest of Kuala Lampur. 777 range is 5k.

  91. Blackstone and the Carlyle Group; Majority shareholders of Freescale.

    Follow the Carlyle Group Money

    Osama bin Laden received financial support from now-deceased Saudi billionaire Sheik Khalid bin Mahfouz. Bin Mahfouz was represented in the US by Washington, DC law firm Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld – the same firm that represented the Muslim Brotherhood House of Saud and their world’s largest Islamic charity- the Holy Land Foundation for Development & Relief.

    Akin, Gump had defended bin Mahfouz – a Chevron Texaco Central Asia partner – when the BCCI scandal broke. Three Akin, Gump partners are close friends of President George W. Bush. [4] A 1999 Saudi government audit found that bin Mahfouz’ National Commercial Bank had transferred over $3 million to Osama bin Laden charities that year. [5] Bin Mahfouz could not be accused of disloyalty to family, since he was now Osama’s brother-in-law.

    Bin Laden’s brother Salem was a close business associate of CIA agent James Bath, whose Skycraft Airways leased planes to bin Mahfouz when the sheik was washing Medellin Cartel cocaine money through the BCCI Caymans branch, alongside Saudi intelligence chief Kamal Adham. Salem was also an investor in Harken Energy, which George W. Bush and Dick Cheney launched as Arbusto Energy with $50,000 in seed money from Osama’s billionaire father Mohammed bin Laden. Both Salem and Mohammed died in mysterious plane crashes.

    As the two jumbo jets crashed into the World Trade Center on 911, another of Osama’s brothers- Shafiq bin Laden- was attending the annual investor conference of Carlyle Group in Washington DC.

    One of the speakers at that DC conference may have been George Bush Sr., who now worked as financial adviser for the Mellon family-controlled Carlyle Group- chaired by Frank Carlucci, who was Reagan and Bush Defense Secretary and chaired Reagan’s National Security Council.

    Carlucci worked with mobsters in the 1961 CIA assassination of Congolese Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba. He was a Yale roommate of Bush Jr. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. They were joined at Yale by James Baker and George Bush Sr., who was a member of Skull & Bones- alternately known as the Brotherhood of Death and The Order- a name shared by ancient Afghan Roshaniya terrorists.

  92. Of course, only a blind man would not be able to spot a Boeing 777 on Diego Garcia, and there is nothing strange for a dedicated pilot to have his own flight simulator these days, given all the surprises terrorists are pulling these days.

  93. Never heard of underground hangars, bunkers when satellites observe?

  94. The displaced local population were sent to a variety of locations including the Seychelles.
    Those islands keep coming up.

    “The American military base on the island of Diego Garcia is one of the most strategically important and secretive U.S. military installations outside the United States. Located near the remote center of the Indian Ocean and accessible only by military transport, the base was a little-known launch pad for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and may house a top-secret CIA prison where terror suspects are interrogated and tortured.”

  95. The USA, which has an airport with a runway of around 1,000 meters on Diego Garcia, has denied that the plane landed there, and it would certainly be in greatest difficulty if the 240 people and the plane were ultimately discovered there – a most likely possibility if it were true.

    There is no need or possibility of an underground hanger to house a Boeing 777 being there. And if it tried to land there, it might well have gone over the runway.

  96. It’s the Daily Mail…so…..photoshpped?

    “An image has emerged of the pilot of the missing Malaysia Airlines jet wearing a T-shirt with a ‘Democracy is Dead’ slogan as it has been revealed he could have hijacked the plane in an anti-government protest.

    Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a father-of-three, was said to be a ‘fanatical’ supporter of the country’s opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim – jailed for homosexuality just hours before the jet disappeared.

    It has also been revealed that the pilot’s wife and three children moved out of the family home the day before the plane went missing.

    Read more:
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  97. ” The rapid ascent and then free-fall could have been purposed to disable the crew with massive G-forces. ”

    Which would’ve wrecked the aircraft.

  98. “Which would’ve wrecked the aircraft.”

    Then we would have wreckage.

  99. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!

    18 Mar, 2014 - 4:29 pm

    Kenneth Sorenson

    “I predict that soon this thread will ground to a halt (as it gets replaced with other newsworthy items) but you are always welcome to continue your rants at the record-braking thread with soon (this week) 20,000 comments, which primarily deals with the Al-Hilly murders,”

    And lo and behold, Sir, your prediction is coming true!

    You will have noticed, by the way, that Craig’s lead-in post was the very antithesis of a conspiracy theory. Unfortunately, with this as with other posts, the crazies and trolls soon take over.

  100. It’s a typical blogger tactic. When the discussion goes against you, create another thread and the people will follow.

  101. This thread is at least as noteworthy as Al-Hilli. Maybe we will surprise you Sorenson.

  102. The issue of oxygen at 45000 feet….experts say the pressurization, if no breach-then no need for passengers to have oxygen masks drop down. Then there’s this pilots determination…..

    “Yes, I think it would be very easy for pilot in command of a 777 to ask the copilot to get a glass of water, lock the cockpit door behind him, don and activate his oxygen mask. Then close the engine bleed air valves that supply cabin pressure and open the controlled outflow valves to equalize cabin pressure to altitude pressure, put the passenger/supernumerary oxygen to “reset” (or pull the circuit breaker), and ascend a little bit above the service ceiling of FL 410. At FL 450, consciousness is measured in seconds, death in about 4 or 5 minutes. I have never flown a 777, however.”

    That, of course, assumes the flight crew was not hacked.

  103. Kudos to you Mr. Ben. I think you are a great guy, and its always interesting to have some new inputs.

    I log off for tonight, because I happen to have other things to do. We can always talk another day. So with these words, I bit you Good Night

  104. Habbabkuk, if the plane has not crashed, then I’d suggest it’s disappearance can only be the result of a conspiracy and that the authorities are actively developing conspiracy theories to ascertain the plane’s possible whereabouts and fate of its 239 passengers and crew.

    Having said that, I distance myself from the lunatic fringe who readily churn out conspiracy theories, like a Chinese factory making toys, that are characterised by an obsessive belief in science fiction, self-terminating logic and secret desire to keep mysteries unsolved. Their method of analysis is to invert Occam’s Razor, invent the most fantastic explanations that trigger the release of endorphins and then cite fictitious sources of information to support their kooky claims.

    Then there are conspiracy theories which are the product of logical contemplation of the known facts and plausible scenarios. I hope you see my theories as falling into the latter category.

  105. Conspiracy theories arise generally from a dearth of verifiable facts. To ignore or dismiss pieces of a puzzle because they aren’t the entire story is foolish and suspect. To observe individual pieces of info it’s necessary to view in the context of behaviors in History. It’s called connecting the dots, but it’s not a picture one can paint by numbers. That practice is for amateurs, and they should stay off the fucking lawn.

  106. This is certainly the case here when the experts and posters try to explain the plane’s disappearance as the result of a well-planned hijacking for which there is almost no evidence.

    Look, for example, where The Guardian tries to deal with unanswered questions about the lack of cellphone calls, the passengers not engaging in a fight back against the hijackers, etc, ending with the plane’s disappearance being the result of too slow response by the third-world people on the ground – what can more easily be explained by a devastating act of sabotage which left no time for any such moves.

  107. “- New information from the Thai government bolsters the belief that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 took a sharp westward turn after communication was lost.
    But investigators still don’t know who was at the controls or why that person or persons took the plane far from its original destination.” CNN

    Hey! First it went this way…then up and down…….then this way, or was it this way?

    Alice through the Looking Glass has nothing on the Keystone Cops. Obviously, MH370 was an experiment to see if we can figure it out. The future looks bright.

  108. Strange! Very strange!

    They are pretty quick in paying out insurance.…9/SS-2-484724/

    Allianz Pays Compensation to Malaysia 

    German Allianz insurance company pays insurance up to $ 100 million for the plane and the passengers.They said they are starting to pay tomorrow.
    Allianz is NOT the insurance of the cargo!

    Note, Attention!!
    In case of terrorism, Allianz does not have to pay. Only in case of a technical fault or if that were an accident it is Allianz who pays.

    In the case of terrorism it is Lloyds who are the ones paying out the insurance.

    Why is Allianz already going to pay tomorrow? So then they are paying out $ 100 million before we even know what had happened?

    Stock prices for Malaysian airlines are pretty low. Financially it doesnt look too good for malaysian airways.

  109. Corrupt link posted above.
    Here it is again

  110. BrianFujisan

    19 Mar, 2014 - 1:14 am

    Is it not odd that a Pilot would want to keep his identity Secret…?

    SEPANG: A BOEING 777 pilot, who was flying 30 minutes ahead of the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, said he established contact with MH370 minutes after he was asked to do so by Vietnamese air traffic control.

    The captain, who asked to not be named, said his plane, which was bound for Narita, Japan, was far into Vietnamese airspace when he was asked to relay, using his plane’s emergency frequency, to MH370 for the latter to establish its position, as the authorities could not contact the aircraft.

    “We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1.30am and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace.
    “The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.

    “There were a lot of interference… static… but I heard mumbling from the other end.
    “That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection,” he told the New Sunday Times.
    He said those on the same frequency at the time would have heard the exchange.

    This, he said, would include vessels on the waters below.
    He said he thought nothing of it, as the occurrence (of losing contact) was normal, until it was established that MH370 never landed.

  111. Good theory that the plane experienced an electrical fire, the flight was diverted towards the nearest suitable runway, crew was overcome by fumes, plane journeyed into void until it ran out of fuel and crashed in the ocean.

  112. Jemand, the theory of the electrical fire is pretty good, on its face. But many questions come to mind, including:

    1. If there was enough time to reprogram the computer (as we are now led to believe) for landing at that other airport, how come no Mayday was issued? even if main communications’ channels were down, surely a way could be found to send notice to the ground? At the very least one would expect one of the pilots or crew would attempt to use their cell phone, say when over the malaysian peninsula, possibly flying low.

    2. How likely is an electrical fire that takes out both the ACARS and the transponder? as well as any auxiliary radio communications? and all at once too. I’d think that the odds against such an occurrence are substantial.

    I can see however why such a scenario would be the scariest for both Boeing and Air malysia since it’d cause the fortunes of both to plummet. Plus who would want to fly on a 777 unless such a problem was fixed? major disruption to world wide travel would ensue. So yes, in a way a spontaneous electrical fire, would explain the messy responses by all.

  113. The journalist and author with in-depht knowledge of what want on 9/11, Christopher Bollyn, weighs in:

    [my emphasis] [links added]

    Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

    By Christopher Bollyn_________March 18, 2014


    An Israel-based reporter named Paul Alster has a very interesting article on giving an Israeli prognosis about the missing Malaysian Boeing 777. The Alster article is important because it suggests that the Israelis may be setting the stage for a false-flag event using the missing Malaysian plane as a flying bomb in an attack similar to 9-11.

    The article, which follows this introduction, is very revealing because it contains information that indicates that the Israelis may be projecting a terror scenario by planting the ideation in the public mind by using the media. Ideation in this case is the projection of the scenario planned by the terror masterminds who put the idea into people’s heads so that they will blame the targeted foe when their plot unfolds into reality. The following article has comments from Israeli El Al airport “security” veterans that are very similar to comments tweeted by Rupert Murdoch in the past day or two. How interesting that Murdoch and the Israeli airline security people imagine the exact same fate for the missing Boeing. How telling.

    It is important to note that these Israeli El Al security people are the same people (ICTS, Menachem Atzmon, and assorted Mossadniks), who carried out the ideation (Murdoch’s “Lone Gunmen” pilot episode and Arnon Milchan’s Medusa Touch film come to mind) and false-flag attacks of 9-11. This is what the evidence I present in my Solving 9-11 books reveals about Israeli involvement in false-flag terrorism of 9-11. The fact that the same people are now projecting the ideation of the Boeing 777 being used in a terror attack needs to be taken very seriously.

    The game is on. Beware of the very real possibility that the plane may resurface, used as a weapon of terror to cause a provocation that can be used to initiate aggression against a targeted foe – such as the Islamic Republic of Iran. If enough people realize the evil game of deception the Israelis are up to, they won’t be able to pull off another major terror spectacle – and get away with it.

  114. Disclaimer
    Bollyn thinks that Israel is directly implicated in 9/11. While this is fascinating – and certainly welcome as a contrast to how the mainstream media portarys the situation (and many of his carefully researched information relating to Israelis in the aircraft business in the US and the like is certainly interesting in itself)- I’ve never been prepared to go that far.

    I think Israel’s intelligence services knew what was going to happen, and one can discuss if it’s not a criminality that they did not inform the US authorities. From Israel’s perspective it was enormously important to get the US directly involved in fighting its enemies, and it has since 9/11 gained ‘a new lease of life’, thriving and spinning money and businesses in providing info about all sorts of radical islamists to all the worlds intelligence services, and selling surveillance equipment all over the world.

    A country which always have considered itself to be in a state of war is undoubtedly prepared to go to great lenght, also lenght that people like us living in peace are not prepared to consider. But I still hesitate to go along with the notion that they would actually kill 3,000 people on 9/11 to achieve their aim of getting practically the whole world to join its fight, and in this way get a new lease of life.

    But lets get a fair trial, as used to happen whenever large amounts of people gets killed in a criminality. But we’ve never had that,- and that very suspicious. Bollyn documents how Jewish lawyers, law enforcement officials and judges time and again have shelved any investigation into thoise who knew about what was going to happen. It would be fair to procecute these people, because no matter if Israel had an existential interest in 9/11, it’s not fair to kill close to 3,000 innocents in the process, – not to mentions the hundred of thousands of innocents who hace died in the wake of 9/11 in wars in Afghnaistan in Iraq, and even Palestine and Lebanon, where Israel used the guise of the global “war on terror” — and its new found self confidence .. to clamp down on Palestinians and Lebanese.

    So all in all he’s a lot more sensible than many other commenters, including the right honured Mr. Craig Murray, because Bollyn is very clear about how it was undue Western inerference in Ukraine’s internatl affairs, that prompted Putin to take matters into his own hands and show how vital national interests always will trumph fera of santions, which means its stupis to use sanctions, if they don’t work. It’s not only stupid, it’s detrimental to our own interests, and it could well be dangerous because it is wipping up hatred and contempt. Much more wise to invite Russia into NATO, which they want, and into economi coorperation with the EU – which latter organisation should NEVER had evolved further than to a British inspired Free Trade Club. If EU still had been primarily a free trade organistaion like the EEC, Russai could easily have joined, and everybody would be happy.

  115. @Jemand

    That theory has a huge flaw.

    Nearest airports would have been RFMA Butterworth (best choice) as they were flying directly above butterworth and the other airport would have been Penang intl airport (3 minutes to the left of butterworth). That emergency theory suggests that he would always use the nearest airport in a state of emergency but he didnt, although the pilot grew up in penang and he went to the university there. He knew that area and both airports for sure.

    That unlogic part debunks that electric fire theory for me.

  116. For those who don’t know there is now a new thread on this topic.

  117. There was also speculation that a tire was blown on takeoff and acrid smoke from a fire is what sent chaos into the cabin. Those tires have sensors received at the cockpit when pressure is lost.

  118. Hope that the debris turns out to be parts of the missing airliner, so that the victims’ survivors can finally be persuaded that all are dead.

    But it seems to be more disinformation to prolong their false hopes.

    Why has it taken so long to identify what the debris is, and why don’t the mad speculators wait for once to make a definite determination before babbling yet again to the media?

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