Freedom Cheaper than Iraq War 764


A particularly mendacious lie by Danny Alexander puts the institutional start-up costs of Scottish Independence at £1.5 billion.  That is a cool half billion pounds cheaper than Scotland’s share of the costs of the Iraq and Afghan wars, even on the Westminster government’s blatant under-estimate of the war costs.

So Scotland can afford criminal invasions killing hundreds of thousands to ‘bring freedom’, but cannot afford the smaller cost of its own freedom!!!

The £1.5 billion estimate is mendacious in two ways.  Firstly, it is a simple recycling of a Canadian lie at the time of the Quebec independence referendum, apportioning with no argument 1% of GDP to startup costs.

Secondly, as nearly all the money will be spent in Scotland it is not a loss at all, but actually an increase to GDP, as any but the most nutty neo-con would be forced to acknowledge.  And it would be the precursor of government money spent annually in Scotland rather than England for ever thereafter.

Thankfully Alexander won’t have a job much longer – and if he thinks a penny of Scottish public spending is going in future to support his huge arse and deceitful mouth, he is very wrong.

 


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  • John Goss

    “I would submit that it isn’t and, furthermore, that the vast majority of adult male Jews have no hangups or gripes at all about having been circumcised.”

    Arghh, my friend. You lose a finger and it’s painful. But eventually you learn to manage with three fingers and a thumb on that hand. You have no hangups about it because that is the way it is. You have to get on with life. From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the prepuce lubr, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels. And it does feel good. Suffice to say that some from past experience may have found it so pleasurable it prevented them from getting on with the more important, if more mundane, everyday tasks. But it does feel good. Believe me. And I talk from personal experience. Why do you not want this for yourself, your family, and your friends is beyond me. 🙂

    I would however prefer four fingers and a thumb on each hand because that is so much better too, I assume. 🙂

  • John Goss

    Should have read “From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the prepuce lubricated by natural juices, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels.”

    Firefox crashed hence the missing text.

  • Mary

    Habbakuk/Habbabkuk is building up to his page 17 modus operandi. He said:

    ‘Notice how swiftly Mother Mary goes to ground when it’s her favorites who are busily commenting on cocks and matters connected. 🙂

    Got hand it to the old dear, no one could accuse her of not having balls!’
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/freedom-cheaper-than-iraq-war/comment-page-3/#comment-459812

    and then, after I said I had been out this afternoon, he ignores his earlier unfounded allegation and directs another coarse comment my way.

    ‘Not at all, just a statement of fact about how the bitch reacts when her favorites say something untoward.’

    He really needs to be stopped in his tracks before he brings this blog into disrepute. He is certainly achieving a troll’s function of diverting and disrupting.

    Craig is obviously occupied with the move.

    PS Note the American spelling of ‘favourite’.

    he say

  • Mary

    BBC expected to cut up to 600 jobs in news and radio
    James Harding, director of news and current affairs, to hold open sessions where further cuts are set to be discussed
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/03/bbc-cut-600-jobs-news-radio-james-harding

    Nothing on the BBC website!

    ~~

    Harding et al

    ‘Soon after his own appointment, Hall named James Harding as the BBC’s new director of news and current affairs. Until December, Harding was editor of The Times, an avowedly right-wing, pro-Israeli paper owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News International group.

    In 2011, Harding spoke at a media event organized by The Jewish Chronicle, telling his audience: “I am pro-Israel. I believe in the State of Israel. I would have had a real problem if I had been coming to a paper [The Times] with a history of being anti-Israel. And, of course, Rupert Murdoch is pro-Israel.”’

    Apologists for Israel take top posts at BBC
    http://electronicintifada.net/content/apologists-israel-take-top-posts-bbc/12395

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    Mary

    “..and then, after I said I had been out this afternoon, he ignores his earlier unfounded allegation and directs another coarse comment my way.

    ‘Not at all, just a statement of fact about how the bitch reacts when her favorites say something untoward.’”
    _____________________

    The explanation is simple, Mary, and I’ve already given it to you, so you’ve had fair warning: every time you call me a troll, I shall immediately respond by calling you a bitch.

    That seems fair to me.

    So the solution is in your hands, Mary. No “troll” = no “bitch”.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    John Goss

    You’ve waxed so lyrical about the pleasures of foreskins that I almost suspect you’ve done it just as a literary exercise. Sub-Lawrentian, almost.

    The other side of the argument is that circumcised blokes make better cocksmen because longer-lasting.

    I fear that I shall not be taking any concrete steps to verify this. As a good Catholic, I want to be all there come the Resurrection.

    Let’s leave it there for the moment (until the next time FGM comes up, whereupon Mr Scorgie will again post about Jewish circumcision and the whole boring diversion can start all over again….:) )

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    “BBC expected to cut up to 600 jobs in news and radio”
    ____________________

    But surely, Mary – as a BBC-hater (many comments passim), should you not be pleased?

  • John Goss

    I should correct myself before somebody else does 6: 14 and 6:19. It is not:

    “From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the prepuce lubricated by natural juices, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels.”

    That is anatomically incorrect because foreskin = prepuce so it should read:

    “From my perspective, and without being too graphic, circumcised Jews are never going to experience the pleasure of the foreskin going backwards and forwards over the glans lubricated by natural juices, and I am sorry they cannot experience this because they are never going to know just how good it feels.”

  • John Goss

    “The other side of the argument is that circumcised blokes make better cocksmen because longer-lasting.”

    You have mentioned this several times so you must believe it. Either you or I, or both, do not understand women. Like men they are different. Yes a single or newly-wed woman might enjoy a long-lasting session of lovemaking but I suspect with most women this wears off in time, when, for example they have to be up for work in the morning, and other things need their attention. Also there are times when a woman is more responsive than others due to the natural cycle. My own very limited experience suggests that foreplay is all important to a woman, because both partners need to be satisfied. Attention to detail, as with all things, is important in lovemaking. Making one another feel loved is all important.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    _John

    Something tells me you’ve missed your true calling – you are the Alex Comfort of this blog!

    It’s quite a pleasant experience being able to agree with you for a change. But at the same time I feel guilty – not about agreeing with you but rather at the idea that we are diverting the political pundits and heavyweights on here away from matters of state and international policy; I can somehow feel them drumming their fingers on the table impatiently and their blood pressure rising inexorably in the face of such levity.

    After all, what’s a discussion of the best shag compared to a denunciation of Mr Cameron’s latest turpitude? (although I think Craig might quite like it…)

  • Mary

    No. Not necessarily good news. The minions at the BBC will get the chop and the liars and the Zionists will remain.

  • Mary

    Worthy of the Third Reich

    US Supreme Court rejects appeal by New York Times reporter James Risen

    By Thomas Gaist
    3 June 2014

    The US Supreme Court on Monday decided not to intervene in the case of James Risen, an author and reporter who is facing imprisonment for refusing to reveal the identity of one of his sources to the government. The court, in line with the recommendation of the Obama Justice Department, rejected Risen’s petition, upholding a ruling by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Risen is a leading investigative journalist who has exposed various illegal activities carried out by the US government. His recent work includes a piece for Sunday’s New York Times, based on documents leaked by Edward Snowden, in which he documents the National Security Agency’s use of facial recognition technologies to compile facial images of hundreds of millions of people in the US and around the world.

    In his book, State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration, Risen cites information from an unnamed intelligence agent about a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) operation, codenamed Operation Merlin, which sought to disrupt Iran’s nuclear program.

    /..
    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/06/03/rise-j03.html

  • KingofWelshNoir

    If—as Habbabkuk suggests—circumcision really did make you a better lover, men would be queuing up round the block to have it done. When you consider all the strange and weird things men willingly undergo in pursuit of this goal you’d have to conclude that, in the matter of having the foreskin removed, they are voting with their…er…I think you know what they are voting with.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    “..if—as Habbabkuk suggests—circumcision really did make you a better lover,..)

    __________________________

    Whoa there, KoWN, not so fast!

    Firstly, I didn’t suggest anything: I was just retelling things I’d heard/read about.

    Secondly, I didn’t say “better lover”, I said “better cocksman”. There is a difference (pls refer to John Goss’s comments for elucidation).

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    “No. Not necessarily good news. The minions at the BBC will get the chop and the liars and the Zionists will remain.”
    _________________

    Well, by “minions” I suppose you’re referring to the same guys on the ground (reporters, etc)you’re forever complaining about for their cowardice, partiality and so on?

    Please explain if I’m mistaken.

  • John Goss

    “After all, what’s a discussion of the best shag compared to a denunciation of Mr Cameron’s latest turpitude? (although I think Craig might quite like it…)”

    I can’t speak for Craig.

    ‘Make love – not war’ was the slogan of the sixties. 🙂 I knew someone who said he only went on the Aldermaston marches because of the ‘crumpet’. Nevertheless most of us were politically aware, as well as being sexually aware, or perhaps awake might be a better term. Back then television was not the propaganda machine it has become. So we have to multi-task. 🙂

    It grieves me to think of the poor people being killed in the Donbass region. It is not important enough for the BBC or other UK corporate-owned mass media channels to report. But Obama’s threat to deploy NATO troops in Ukraine is. What a topsy-turvy, arse about tit, cocked up world we live in.

  • mike

    First Biden, then Brennan, and now US Assistant Secretary of Defense Derek Chollet. They all go to Kiev and within hours civilians die in the east. Chollet was there yesterday. They’re not even trying to hide it now. I think these fuckers want a war with Russia. They really are that crazy.

    Don’t get sidetracked by circumcision. It’s a cul-de-sac down which certain individuals will happily lead you. That’s their job.

  • Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    Hab has learned a lot today. Hope there is an outlet, other than the manual on manual-stimulation. Discovery is the first stop on the journey to adulthood.

  • mike

    Agreed John. The corporate media are so clearly in lockstep with UK foreign policy, which is in lockstep with US foreign policy.

    I do wonder what the rest of the EU, especially Germany, make of the US “promise” to protect Europe by spending $1 billion. More surveillance of their leaders and more industrial espionage? I hope the rest of the EU will tell the US where to go once they realise that a confrontation with Russia, or at the very least some serious disinvestment, is on the cards if the neo-con psychos and their Drone King MC don’t relent.

    There’s a crossroads coming and the EU will have to decide which path to take.

  • mike

    That’s a good piece, Ben. Sounds a bit like papal infallibility to me. The Holy Neocon Empire, with POTUS handing out indulgences to obedient princes such as Blair.

  • Peacewisher

    The EU used to be independent of the US (c.f. the stand on GM foods, and the Kyoto Protocol). In fact, apart from governments of Spain and Italy (and UK obviously) they were pretty much against the Iraq war. So what changed… I think it may have been the elevation of Barroso (host of Bush, Bair and Azwar) and the arrival of Sarkozy. Now the EU has flipped over I can’t see it flipping back. The good news is that the people of many European countries now want to leave the EU…

  • Jay

    1 hr 10 min in

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04573rb

    American conservative talking about American adversaries and the need for obamas
    Billion dollars fighting,

    Such a poisonous attitude in international affairs.

    All humans are a like and should be given a fair chance,
    that is not an un reasonable notion.

  • Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    Mike; The domestic front cannot be forgotten. One more major attack on US soil and we’re Soylent Green.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/03/obama-revive-domestic-terror-task-force

    The United States is re-establishing a law enforcement group to fight those it designates as domestic terrorists, with an announcement expected on Tuesday, Department of Justice officials said.

    Following hate-motivated shootings such as the one at a Jewish Community Center in Kansas City, Missouri in April, federal prosecutors have pressed the need to coordinate intelligence of such criminals on a national level, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    The group will coordinate cases that involve Americans who may be spurred to violence for political or prejudicial reasons.

  • Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    As to the legality;

    “With respect to the separate 30-day notification requirement in Section 1035(d), the Administration determined that the notification requirement should be construed ****not to apply to this unique set of circumstances****, in which the transfer would secure the release of a captive U.S. soldier and the Secretary of Defense, acting on behalf ofthe President, has determined that providing notice as specified in the statute could endanger the soldier’s life.”

    http://justsecurity.org/11134/administrations-explanation-wait-30-days-complete-bergdahl-exchange/

    This sounds similar to SCOTUS’s *one-time* diversion from the Constitution in the 2000 Presidential

  • John Goss

    “There’s a crossroads coming and the EU will have to decide which path to take.”

    Very true Mike. I am surprised that Europe has not already taken into account the fact that under Yanukovich there was peace, under the interim government with Yatsenyuk at the helm there has been civil war. It is as plain as the nose on your face. But that is not the way Yatsenyuk sees it.

    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_03/Ukraine-files-two-lawsuits-against-Russia-in-ECHR-Yatsenyuk-1650/

    But the real truth is something entirely different, as posted by a commenter below the article. The aftermath of the Odessa fire. Contains stark images of bodies being searched for identification.

    http://filmys.com/770super-user/videos/video/547-aftermath-of-fire-in-odessa-were-many-pro-russian-activists-burned-to-death-graphic#.U44_H3YvDjI

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