I can’t pretend not to have been disappointed by the Clackmannanshire result, especially as I am here with some wonderful people who have put months and years of their lives into campaigning heart and soul.
But the count was fascinating. Professional Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem politicians working and socialising together and dressing the same. Tory ladies in pillar box red clothes and Lib Dem councillors in Labour Party rosettes. All braying and congratulating each other in the same voices, and looking smug and very happy together.
We are not winning tonight’s battle at the moment, but the battle lines have now become clearly defined between the single establishment of the media and all the political parties, and almost half the people – so far who want an alternative political structure. This is a stage in a process, and in its clarity and scale a major advance.
John Reid, warmonger, currently cautiously happy with first two results.
Can’t believe that Glasgow only had a 75% turnout. What happened there?
The election was rigged
CAN JUST SEE THE COMBINED IMPERIALISTS.
Keep heart craig…and i believe my area had the highest turnout – inverclyde…the exits were looking good for yes here…GONNA BE A LONG ONE
Thank you so much for everything
Michael Forsyth – ‘You cannot tear up a constitution because 3 leaders signed a press release’
Shows up what was behind that stunt – nada.
>90% turnout can only be good for the new political landscape which will evolve after today.
WTF. A Fire Alarm in the Dundee Counting place was just reported on BBC Radio 5 Live! Who guarded the guards?
Thank you too Craig. That reckoning is coming yet for a’ that. Glasgow alone can win Scotland’s independence outright.
The establishment has won
You, of all people, should know how hard it is to beat them
Regroup
Wrong thread, but hello to Jon, glad to hear you’re in good cheer, nice hearing from you, don’t be a stranger round these parts.
In other words: “The people have spoken. The bastards.”
Watching BBC with the sound way down. Marr, Robinson and co I don’t have the stomach for. Don’t want to minimise whatever misgivings people have about Yes but does it not bother anyone that these people can’t help but hide their belief that the very notion of Scots governing themselves is ludicrous? Robinson comes off as a little angry that this is even happening, although clearly giddy at the results (so far).
Can we have a split of the YES and NO votes cast via postal ballots – apparently its a 90% turnout by the 793k postal voters registered ie 710k votes.
Negativity and fearmongering appears to have won the day. Very sad. It also appears that the more senior citizens fear for their pensions, more than they cheer on the hopes of their children and grandchildren.
All based on a sustained message from every direction – Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Be afraid. You will not be able to manage, and will starve and freeze in the dark, while waiting for The Mad, Bad terrorists to come and get you.
so many powerful forces aligned against a Yes vote…especially the MSM. is it all over? maybe, maybe not.
btw forget the australian terrorists beheading plot that gripped the nation yesterday…24 hours is a long time!
Terror raids: Recruiter Mohammad Baryalei behind Islamic State
plot to murder Australians, police say
While beheading was not specifically mentioned in the alleged phone call
on Tuesday – one of several believed to have taken place between Baryalei
and Azari – it is assumed that this would have been the method of the
killing…
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/terror-raids-recruiter-mohammad-baryalei-behind-islamic-state-plot-to-murder-australians-police-say-20140919-3g2ho.html
also ignore that tAzari/Baryalei appear to be Afghan Hazaras, like most Afghans in Australia, and should therefore be Shia, not Sunni like ISIS/ISIL/IS. whatever.
Cambell: You miserable wuss. Can’t you have the good grace to cheer among those who enjoy the result you like, instead of crowing in this most unmagnanimous fashion?
Just shows you up, yet again, for the vindictive coward you have always demonstrated yourself to be. I truly pity those who are afflicted by personal involvement in your wasted excuse for a life.
I got wind that they were targeting Pensioners Glen…And young Single mums.
DSquib
can you’re area get STV..Live there..Although wee war criminal D. Alexander is on … Can’t stand that little cnt…
The BIG counts are yet to come…
BrianFujisan, In Chicago ATM, reduced to BBC World or nothing. Leaning to the latter unless there’s a huge surprise Yes somewhere, looking very unlikely.
Shetland Islands votes NO
Votes %
NO 9,951 63.71%
YES 5,669 36.29%
Electorate 18,516
Turnout 84.44%
Rejected ballots 15
Negativity and fearmongering appears to have won the day. Very sad. It also appears that the more senior citizens fear for their pensions, more than they cheer on the hopes of their children and grandchildren.
Glenn, with respect, I don’t think it is fair to impugn the motives of all who vote NO as being a bunch of old cowards.
Come to think of it, Robinson and Marr are so ridiculous they’re harder to dislike than Polly Toynbee who has briefly appeared, maybe the most consistently bad faith pundit there is.
Oh i see DSquib… bbc are ALWAYS insufffferable
All eyes turning towards My area Inverclyde…You heard it here First it’s a YES here.
Or Ruth is correct a 100% fix
Interestingly Andrew Marr was born in Glasgow and later was educated at Dundee High School.
Can you guys please behave yourselves
The Night is Young..
The Real Results Haven’t Come In Yet..
I Reckon Yes Will Win
Tony
Tony_0pmoc
While I admire your optimism – if YES wins then all the bookies are going bankrupt. That’s how I see it right now.
Blair, Marr and Gove, and many others, seems those with a connection to Scotland who left long ago often the worst, worse even than English men and woman who have no interest in Scotland.
Disappointed if its,as looking likely,a No vote.
However,this is but one arena in a wider debate.
The genie will be very hard for the Establishment to put back in the bottle now.
I wait for the English and Welsh to get the bit between their teeth now.
So tonight is only a wee setback in a much bigger movement.
AS: “old cowards”… hmm, ok, that might be oversimplifying things just a _tad_ . But I rather suspect that sort of tendany tipped the balance. (By near 10%, by the look of things right now.)
I’m currently experiencing the rapid sinking feeling one occasionally gets, if the first number on your monthly lottery ticket comes up, but all the subsequent ones do not, until it’s not worth the bother of checking any more.
Wall-to-wall war criminals on TV.
“Wall-to-wall war criminals on TV.” Yes, pretty incredible even by normal ‘standards’. Why when those who say an independent Scotland will no longer be part of a “great power” I say EXACTLY.
This looks like being a big, big loss for the Yes campaign. I am afraid we have now left our self with no or very little protection against austerity and neoliberalism. This is a huge loss.