For those of you who believe that we have a diverse media, I present without much comment these tweets between Murdoch, Guardian and Independent television employees. It is interesting that their two less famous sympathisers who are included in these exchanges are both primarily motivated by support for Israel. Simon Myerson’s twitter ID self-describes him as “Ocean_Going Zionist QC”. Tomas Doran’s twitter ID self-describes him as “Friend of the Jews.” Of course Freeman, Daisley and Cohen have all been specifically cited on this blog in the past for their dreadful anti-Palestinian propaganda. All of these people are also fierce opponents of Scottish independence.
It is not the content of the twitter spat that is important – it is the links between these mainstream journos who pretend to represent opposing views, but combine to attack anybody who actually does so.
None of you bothers with my contention that Muslims willingly separate themselves from this society and others in the West and non-Muslim world. That helps to understand the predicament that Israel faces. You won’t understand this unless you have been there and seen it from their perspective. The issues we face with our own Muslim communities should provide a useful pointer.
“I’m not surprised they all oppose Scottish independence very few in the media don’t.”
And the majority of people in Scotland oppose Scottish independence as well.
“They really don’t matter, and aren’t worth your time.”
I think there is significant things that could be done. Small but significant. Don’t give me this we can do no other nonsense.
‘They’ do it for ease of management. And it renders your significance all the more to the bad.
“The issues we face with our own Muslim communities should provide a useful pointer.”
It’s only people like yourself with a bigoted and Faragian agenda who see problems that don’t exist, and were not even preceived to exist before the so-called ‘war on terror’ which ought more appropriately be called ‘war on Islam’.
“None of you bothers with my contention that Muslims willingly separate themselves from this society and others in the West and non-Muslim world. That helps to understand the predicament that Israel faces. You won’t understand this unless you have been there and seen it from their perspective. The issues we face with our own Muslim communities should provide a useful pointer.”
Obviously you don’t get out very often.
I have been there (Arabia) and I have worked with Muslims in both Britain and Canada. This insistence on separating themselves is something that I have not noticed.
What is true and very easy to understand is that immigrants (and I am one)
can find it difficult to adjust to the mores and customs of different cultures. I believe that you will find that in their many journeys to muslim countries English people tended to stick together, maintain their own customs, worship in their own churches and so on.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44269.htm
A useless racist specimen’s unconscious drivelling!!! Blaming the victims for their withdrawal from the wider hostilities and their tormentors and turning this flight into a separatism and leaping into conclusion and denouncing the Muslims as they are at fault and not their tormentors!!
Sick racist swine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4RxXkwH6Lo
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Bevin Arab Jews are emigrating out of zionistan and going back to their countries of origin, that is where their countries of origin still exists, such as Morocco. Iranian Jews despite the huge financial incentives and bribes of free houses, sixty thousand dollars cash payment and free university education for their children, these rejecting all the bribes stay put in Iran. They have their own representation in parliament along with other religious minorities.
The trouble with the hopelessly tolerant liberal-left view in the West is that it is seriously naive about Islam. It is viewed akin to some sort of individual lifestyle choice like being feminist or gothic. Its cheerleaders on the left, to whom all Islam’s fundamental beliefs are opposed, beieve that if you show it some tolerance it will integrate and be absorbed into Western society.
It doesn’t integrate and won’t ever integrate into a non-Muslim society. I have spent half my working life in the Islamic world and while I always respected the customs I was under no illusions about what Islam wants. It is not compatible with Western civilization unless Western civilization yields to what it wants. Anyone who seriously considers themselves to be a Muslim does not integrate into this society. It is the same in Israel but Israel is at the hard end of it.
Fedup, Goss etc.
Strange we don’t have the same problems with the Sikhs, Chinese and so on.
Anon1, I’ve spent quite some time with Muslims. Most are not like you seem to think.
Jesus, Craig, next you’ll be telling us that the moloch of humanitarian intervention (wholesale destruction) is a godsend for the corporate media.
And that’s quite enough organised religion for one evening !
Big Johnny Simpson has been cooling his heels since Ras Lanuf. Give him another Operation Enduring Chaos to squirt over before he writes another fucken memoir.
He counted ’em all in (to his wallet) and he counted ’em all out…
Anon1, where was your experience? Mine has been entirely in the UK. I sort of half lived in Bradford in the ’80s (the other half of my time was spent in York); the older generation kept pretty much to themselves, The ones in their 20s wanted to chat about football and spoke with Yorkshire accents.
Craig –
They are a nasty and pathetic little gang – corporate media sycophants par excellence whose laboured humour is about as sparkling as a microwave user manual.
Their hearty disapproval on its own is vindication of your position on Assange.
Sounds like a South African of old going on and on about the bloody kaffirs, or like an unreconstructed Southerner doing the same about the damn n****rs.
Most are probably not Muslims Clark. They probably fit with your Western conceived preferred notion of Islam like ‘Sufi’ or some such other palatable nonsense.
Most of the Islamaphobics are cruelly ignorant of Islamic origins. Jews and Muslims arise from a shared gene-pool and cultural roots.
Semitic tribes from both family trees have the same rootstock of Abraham with shoots out of the Ishmael as well as Isaac beginnings.
Now if we draw a parallel between the Normans/Saxons and the Isaac/Ishamel bund we have the perfect absolution for not seeking Scots Indy. The clusterfuck is a design.
I spent a New Year with over twenty Muslims who live in the UK, ages between about four and thirty-five, at a guess; thoroughly “integrated”, as you put it.
“Strange we don’t have the same problems with the Sikhs, Chinese and so on.”
The UK has not recently declared war on Sikhs and Chinese. But when we did we were just as racist as you are now.
I’ve spent quite a lot of time with Muslims in Turkey. Far from being standoffish, they pride themselves on being hospitable to visiting foreigners, whether or not Christian.
Anon1, some of these people were talking to me about common (mis)perceptions of Islam and Muslims. They most definitely thought of themselves as Muslim.
Where was your experience?
“The ones in their 20s wanted to chat about football and spoke with Yorkshire accents.”
Bless.
Yeah well I have no interest in football; I was at a bit of a loss, to be honest. These chaps were more “integrated” than me, speaking with my southern accent.
Take a walk around your local communiteee, Clark. See all those beards dyed orange? Do you even know what that means?
Lysias
I wouldn’t deny it. Hospitality to visitors/guests is a great tradition in Islam.
Anon1, 11:20 pm
That’s probably because “we” haven’t bombed China and India to utter devastation.
We haven’t bombed the Muslim world to utter devastation either, Clark. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the Iraq War I don’t think it explains away Islamic fanaticism, which is causing death and destruction on a daily basis in every continent.
Hyde and Freeman are celebrity and fashion “journalists” respectively, so it’s not as if Craig has become a target for the great minds of the age.
Harken the foremost authority on Islam hath spokenth!!!
The racist tosser who has not one idea of his/her own and needs to refer to crib sheets of hasbara has not had the time to read the news;
This poor chap was on his way home though a playground at 20:30 when he was set upon and kicked to death. Needless to point out that it is not a case of a swastika getting painted in that playground so it is not a hate crime** and the chap obviously was asking for it !!!! At list the fuckwits commenting in the yahoo comments think that.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-investigate-street-death-imam-131840047.html
**(classification of hate crimes in this land is an arbitrary affair hence no surprise that the story is not picked up and the it is not considered a racist attack)
Anon1, we’re off-topic here. You get “spare” threads when pictures are posted; care to continue at the link below?
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/02/the-unionistzionist-nexus/screenshot-2/
It’s fascinating though isn’t it, to watch the liberal-left explain away Islamic fanaticism. It either didn’t happen (conspiracy) or it’s our fault. They simply cannot accept that there is anything wrong with an extremist ideology that is diametrically opposed to 99% of what they claim to believe in. Self-hate and a positive willingness to ally oneself with anything that would seek the destruction of one’s own way of life would appear to be the end-game of Western liberal society.
Anon1, no, there is Islamic fanaticism. It has a lot to do with “Western” interference in the Middle East – the imposition a whole new country, Israel; support for Saudi Arabia, continual interference for decades, “Western” war after war after war…
You tar all Muslims with the same brush. That’s RACISM, Anon1, in case you don’t recognise it in yourself.