The CIA’s Absence of Conviction 329


I have watched incredulous as the CIA’s blatant lie has grown and grown as a media story – blatant because the CIA has made no attempt whatsoever to substantiate it. There is no Russian involvement in the leaks of emails showing Clinton’s corruption. Yes this rubbish has been the lead today in the Washington Post in the US and the Guardian here, and was the lead item on the BBC main news. I suspect it is leading the American broadcasts also.

A little simple logic demolishes the CIA’s claims. The CIA claim they “know the individuals” involved. Yet under Obama the USA has been absolutely ruthless in its persecution of whistleblowers, and its pursuit of foreign hackers through extradition. We are supposed to believe that in the most vital instance imaginable, an attempt by a foreign power to destabilise a US election, even though the CIA knows who the individuals are, nobody is going to be arrested or extradited, or (if in Russia) made subject to yet more banking and other restrictions against Russian individuals? Plainly it stinks. The anonymous source claims of “We know who it was, it was the Russians” are beneath contempt.

As Julian Assange has made crystal clear, the leaks did not come from the Russians. As I have explained countless times, they are not hacks, they are insider leaks – there is a major difference between the two. And it should be said again and again, that if Hillary Clinton had not connived with the DNC to fix the primary schedule to disadvantage Bernie, if she had not received advance notice of live debate questions to use against Bernie, if she had not accepted massive donations to the Clinton foundation and family members in return for foreign policy influence, if she had not failed to distance herself from some very weird and troubling people, then none of this would have happened.

The continued ability of the mainstream media to claim the leaks lost Clinton the election because of “Russia”, while still never acknowledging the truths the leaks reveal, is Kafkaesque.

I had a call from a Guardian journalist this afternoon. The astonishing result was that for three hours, an article was accessible through the Guardian front page which actually included the truth among the CIA hype:

The Kremlin has rejected the hacking accusations, while the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has previously said the DNC leaks were not linked to Russia. A second senior official cited by the Washington Post conceded that intelligence agencies did not have specific proof that the Kremlin was “directing” the hackers, who were said to be one step removed from the Russian government.
Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims “bullshit”, adding: “They are absolutely making it up.”
“I know who leaked them,” Murray said. “I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.
“If what the CIA are saying is true, and the CIA’s statement refers to people who are known to be linked to the Russian state, they would have arrested someone if it was someone inside the United States.
“America has not been shy about arresting whistleblowers and it’s not been shy about extraditing hackers. They plainly have no knowledge whatsoever.”

But only three hours. While the article was not taken down, the home page links to it vanished and it was replaced by a ludicrous one repeating the mad CIA allegations against Russia and now claiming – incredibly – that the CIA believe the FBI is deliberately blocking the information on Russian collusion. Presumably this totally nutty theory, that Putin is somehow now controlling the FBI, is meant to answer my obvious objection that, if the CIA know who it is, why haven’t they arrested somebody. That bit of course would be the job of the FBI, who those desperate to annul the election now wish us to believe are the KGB.

It is terrible that the prime conduit for this paranoid nonsense is a once great newspaper, the Washington Post, which far from investigating executive power, now is a sounding board for totally evidence free anonymous source briefing of utter bullshit from the executive.

In the UK, one single article sums up the total abnegation of all journalistic standards. The truly execrable Jonathan Freedland of the Guardian writes “Few credible sources doubt that Russia was behind the hacking of internal Democratic party emails, whose release by Julian Assange was timed to cause maximum pain to Hillary Clinton and pleasure for Trump.” Does he produce any evidence at all for this assertion? No, none whatsoever. What does a journalist mean by a “credible source”? Well, any journalist worth their salt in considering the credibility of a source will first consider access. Do they credibly have access to the information they claim to have?

Now both Julian Assange and I have stated definitively the leak does not come from Russia. Do we credibly have access? Yes, very obviously. Very, very few people can be said to definitely have access to the source of the leak. The people saying it is not Russia are those who do have access. After access, you consider truthfulness. Do Julian Assange and I have a reputation for truthfulness? Well in 10 years not one of the tens of thousands of documents WikiLeaks has released has had its authenticity successfully challenged. As for me, I have a reputation for inconvenient truth telling.

Contrast this to the “credible sources” Freedland relies on. What access do they have to the whistleblower? Zero. They have not the faintest idea who the whistleblower is. Otherwise they would have arrested them. What reputation do they have for truthfulness? It’s the Clinton gang and the US government, for goodness sake.

In fact, the sources any serious journalist would view as “credible” give the opposite answer to the one Freedland wants. But in what passes for Freedland’s mind, “credible” is 100% synonymous with “establishment”. When he says “credible sources” he means “establishment sources”. That is the truth of the “fake news” meme. You are not to read anything unless it is officially approved by the elite and their disgusting, crawling whores of stenographers like Freedland.

The worst thing about all this is that it is aimed at promoting further conflict with Russia. This puts everyone in danger for the sake of more profits for the arms and security industries – including of course bigger budgets for the CIA. As thankfully the four year agony of Aleppo comes swiftly to a close today, the Saudi and US armed and trained ISIS forces counter by moving to retake Palmyra. This game kills people, on a massive scale, and goes on and on.

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329 thoughts on “The CIA’s Absence of Conviction

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  • Madeleine Love

    Believe us about the leaker rather than “the Clinton gang and the US government” based on our assertion of a record of greater truth. Discuss.

    I prefer to credit the Washington insider statement over the Russian hacker statement because otherwise our msm might demand we give an excuse to more imperialistic aggression from the US.

    But on the logic, pfft! I think a better case could’ve been built

    On comparative truthfulness in this independent event… not “ever and always”… Over the years “the Clinton gang and the US government” have provided credible information on a broad array of matters – over the last 7 weeks I’ve seen Craig and with other “friends” engaged in a conspiracy of managing information in respect of Assange.

    On the argument that someone would’ve been swiftly arrested by the US… is it that easy to arrest a Russian hacker on Russian soil? They’re having trouble describing a case for someone on virtual Ecuadorian soil.

    On the argument of access to information about the leaker… no actual data has been provided by either party. Certainly the leaker would’ve had direct input into the wikileaks systems, but is not the wikileaks system specifically designed to make tracking impossible?

    On the argument that Craig has met the leaker – as someone recently tweeted, “I had dinner with George Washington” – selfie or it didn’t happen.

    Didn’t Steve Pieczenik say he and the FBI, agents & servants from many intelligence agencies send the emails? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov5kvWSz5LM

    • Tim Golden

      I’ve come to your site via Twitter by Wiki Leaks Task Force.
      I want to present you with a broader theory on the remarkable events of the 2016 election.
      The media fouls that took place are too well orchestrated, and it continues on into the present.
      I suggest that presidential power (Obama) has pulled out all of the stops in the CIA system. He has done so in such a blatant form in order to expose the way things are inside. He has done so to cause a correction; whether by revolution or by evolution. The breadth of the media lies and obfuscation is too obvious; they normally are better about remaining beneath the radar ooching their steerage as opposed to such hard over breaking. The system has literally been broken. It lays before us broken now as the ‘mainstream media’ discuss the ‘fake media’. Even much of the fake media will eventually be routed out to the Clinton campaign; it all goes back to the Clinton campaign, including the elevation of Trump in the media. Who is ultimately in charge of the Democratic party? The president is. He is lying through his teeth right now. He is obviously expressing a blatant disregard for the details of the situation. He is very clever. He has managed to dismantle the republican party and the democratic party all in one fell swoop. We are facing a grand realignment now.

  • Troll

    Your books not selling enough? You are telling a lot of things, but provide no proof whatsoever. Nice troll!

    • Judy Arbic

      I agree ! If you k OW who the leak is why no name ?! I would believe this article if you gave the name but you didn’t, just stated that you know who it is ?!

      • M Welch

        Really?! He just throw out the name of the leaker? Now I want you to think about that for a minute dear Judy. What might happen to his source if he did that?

        • Salford Lad

          The source was shot in the back of the head in Washington pre POTUS election , in a so-called bungled robbery.No items were stolen from the corpse.

      • eunice price

        Why would he need to provide YOU with a name? What difference does it make who provided the information? Not everyone is enamored with the lyin’ Clintons or lyin’ Obama.

      • Rob In the US

        The leakers name is Seth Rich. You cannot arrest him. Why? Well, because he was murdered. Good enough for you now?

  • L Carol Auten

    I suppose the FBI making another “disclosure” a week before the election had nothing to do with the election either. Assange surely has no axe to grind. (yes, he does) The Russians are above meddling. Ha This article is junk. I’m hoping Europe will save our—–this time. Be ready.

  • Henry Forester

    I am reminded in all of this CIA, Democratic Party and governing elite ‘gobshite’ of conversations that I had with a Czech academic that I worked with for several years in the 1960s at Imperial College in London. He really impressed upon me the truly terrible potential effects of propaganda. He said that for his entire life in Czechoslovakia he had been subjected to rigorous state-controlled news outlets and propaganda. One of the consequences of this had been a pathological loathing of Germans and Germany but on taking up life in London in +1968, where information and public debate was much freer (whatever happened to all that?), he realised just how powerful, insidious and evil propaganda is. He began to see the role of propaganda in Nazi Germany’s ability to coerce many of the German population into a horrendous, destructive and genocidal war.

    Western elites and governments beware – do you at all realise exactly what you are marching into here, with your attempts to control the information that the public receives? Do you realise exactly what you are doing? I suspect that many in power do but don’t give a rat’s arse about the consequences to the rest of us innocent bystanders.

    • lysias

      Many of those in power have no consciences and care only about money and power. They are psychopaths.

      This is why the ancient Athenians were so right in choosing officials by lot and thus giving power to ordinary citizens.

  • Comrade One

    The delicious irony of reading all someone’s emails without needing a warrant issued on probable cause. And of getting them all too, not just a filtered half.

    “The Russians have shown the truth about our dishonesty, duplicity and corruption.” – everybody focus on the Russians, waste column inches arguing was it the Russians, the Iranians, a 12 yr old boy in Ireland, Gorgeous George. The truth is now in the public domain, and even if it came from a truly evil source for the the most corrupt of reasons, then that is an entirely separate story.

    • giyane

      Is it just her age? How could someone at the centre of 2016 politics be so daft as to conspire by email?
      Carrier pigeon maybe, code even. Does she not know that the lorry door at the back entrance is open air?

  • Dave Price

    “? ???? ?ℎ? ?????? ?ℎ??,” ?????? ????. “?’?? ??? ?ℎ? ?????? ?ℎ? ?????? ?ℎ??, ??? ?ℎ?? ??? ????????? ??? ??????? ??? ??’? ?? ???????.”

    I hope it’s not possible to get hold of a list of who you’ve met recently, and a list of who works in a likely part of the DNC… :S

    • lysias

      I suspect those in power are well aware of who did it. They just won’t admit it, because it would not suit their the-Russians-did-it spiel.

    • blah

      that guy’s already dead. shot in the back on the streets of DC…ruled a mugging by the police, but nothing was taken from him. assange hinted it was him, but when pressed to specifically say it was him said he never reveals sources. his name is seth rich. this is already well known.

  • giyane

    Conspiracy or cock-up. If Russia USUKIS etc were intent on rounding up all the angry Muslims in one place and then killing them, that would be called conspiracy. If Russia was scheming to get Trump into power, Saud’s Law would arrange for a win for Clinton, and that would be cock-up. Looks like there is some methodone in their madness after all.

  • giyane

    John McKey mouse has stuck his nose in. Things look so different after that wire bar has clamped down on your neck and pushed your eyeballs out. Who’s going to volunteer to dispose of him after Trump’s got into power?

  • Douglas Hinds

    While I personally doubt that the Russians were responsible for confirming what many of us already knew about the corruption rampant in the Clinton controlled DNC , if they (the Russians) were involved, we owe them thanks for informing the public regarding what every patriotic American has a right and the need to know. Good job, Ruskies!

  • Samir

    Dude,
    Podesta’s email was HACKED through phishing email, this has been known for months.
    It was not a leak, it was a hack. What does that make the rest of your argument?

    • bevin

      Your semantics make no difference to the argument.
      Whoever hacked Podesta’s emails did not publish them but leaked them.

    • ali-b

      The Podesta email phishing and the leak of emails from 7 DNC officials are two separate events. He’s writing about the latter.

  • Marc Goldstone

    an insider at DNC or the Clinton crime syndicate is plausible. So is that patriots within the USA intelligence community recognized the damage Hillary posed to our republic and acted accordingly. If the intelligence agents claim that they found evidence of malicious code known to be used by the Russians then consider that these same intelligence people have that code and the knowledge to use it making the Russian hackers scapegoats.

    Also consider that whatever the Democrats, Obama’s and Clintons say is likely a lie.

  • Dan

    Ok for all the whiners here, lets get something straight. Russia had nothing to do with Hillary losing the election according to the US DOJ/NSA/FBI and even the CIA does not give any proof. Hillary lost the election because NOBODY LIKED HER OR TRUSTED HER! I mean Good GOD it is very clear that she had votes of convicted felons still serving time in prison who could not vote, WERE allowed to vote in Virginia and California, BOTH of which have a “friend of Hillary” sitting in the top chair and running the state. And Terry McCauliff was in Clintons inner circle and was sued to stop the convicts from voting but the decision not to let them vote came down after the election. In California and Chicago, they found over 700 people who had been dead for over 24 years, and yet voted in all five of the last Presidential elections and voted for Democrats. In California they allow illegal aliens to get drivers licenses, and when you get a drivers license they register you to vote. Now even though illegals cant vote, the polling places are not allowed to ask for a green card, so all you need to do is show a simple utility bill to a home in your name to allow you to vote. Pew Research has found over 11 million people who were not legally allowed to vote who actually did vote and voted for Democrats. More then enough to prove that Hillary lost the election AND lost the popular vote by well over 8 million votes. But the national press here cant allow that info to get out as if they did it would destroy the Democrat party once and for all.

    THIS is the swamp that will be drained under Trump and that frightens the Democrats more then you will ever know as there goes the only way they can get elected, by cheating. And if Trump does 1/3rd of what he has claimed he will do, you will have him as a second termer. And the Democrats are going to get a major butt kicking in 2018 as well. In the House they have to keep ALL 192 of their seats AND take 50 more seats away from the Republicans to retake control of the House. In the Senate its just as bad. They have to keep all 24 seats they have up for re-election AND keep the two independent seats that usually vote their way; AND then take 6 out of the 8 seats the Republicans have up for re-election. Can you say a snowballs chance in hell? Which means the Republicans can reshape the US Judiciary into THEIR image for decades to come if not 2 or three generations, AND keep control of the Senate for the whole one if not two terms of Trump and they stand a good chance of doing the same in the US House.

    • John

      Is it true or false that the margin of Clinton’s share of the citizens’ vote is over 2,000,000 and increasing?

      • jrrt3

        John,

        If you remove ‘citizens” then it’s true: the total popular vote margin is at least than for H over T.

        If you insist on leaving in “citizens'”, then the it can’t be answered because it is unknown, and under Pres O’s DOJ, etc, unknowable, as they have refused to allow enforcement of the law requiring states to keep their voter rolls clean and up-to-date.

        Circumstantial evidence suggests that the ‘n’ of non-legal registered voters is likely large. It can be known eventually if/when the Sessions DOJ begins to actually enforce election/voting laws. (My guess is that between dead, moved, multiple state registrations, and alien registrants, it would be at least in the mid 7 figures. Now, how many cast votes is a subset of that ‘n’, of course.)

  • Lisa

    Thank you so much for this article. I’ve known this Russian hacking story was fake news ever since Hillary’s spokespeople started trying to see how many times they could say “Russia” or “Russians” in a single sentence. President Obama backed their false claims to try to discourage people reading the truth in Wikileaks. The other tip-off is that he kept threatening a huge retaliation against Russia which just never materialized. The most disturbing part of this sad charade is the additional strain in our relations with Russia, a nuclear power. I feared Hillary Clinton as a warhawk but using this very dangerous tactic to win the election should frighten and sober all her supporters.

  • Mark Baland

    The Washington Post, and other corporate #FakeNews outlets that push #Propaganda for $hillary Ȼlinton and the Democrats, and push for #Censorship of dissenting voices, are pumping out stories about supposed #RussianHackers who wanted to destabilize and/or reduce confidence in “our democracy”. (This also serves to drum up support for war with Russia, over oil markets.) Those of us who aren’t brainwashed know that it is Republicans and Democrats who committed #ElectionFraud through #VoterSuppression. That’s why Drump and Republicans are suppressing #Recount2016, and why $hillary didn’t call for the recount. Only Jill Stein cares about election integrity. The Green Party didn’t control any polling places, so they know they didn’t cheat…

    #DontBlameMeIVoteGreen

  • Hieroglyph

    It’s always struck me as odd that the big hitters in Silicon valley are all utter jerks. As we know, the WaPo is owned by Jeff Bezos. Mr Bezos is a massive, 24 carat, gold-standard jerk, even by Silicon Valley standards. He is also a top-down, micro-managing jerk, so we can be sure anything important printed in the WaPo has his personal seal of approval. Bezos is a self-serving piece of swamp slime, and the WaPo is completely worthless as news. I wouldn’t even call it fake news, because it is, by all accounts, much too boring. So, I wouldn’t make much of this story. A faction of the CIA have used the WaPo to print bullshit, and everyone knows it’s bullshit. With any luck this will hasten the decline of the WaPo, and Bezos will lose all his money. I have thought for a while that Amazon itself has a very short shelf-life, and will be a curiosity in 10 years, just like Facebook. We will see.

  • Jayne Venables

    Thank you Craig for your ‘inconvenient truths’. I so appreciate your courage in speaking out and in guiding on how we may all combat the lies, propaganda and obfuscation.

  • Thomas

    This whole sitiuation is laughable. It’s genuinely a bigger conspiracy theory than pizzagate however the msm attack that constantly whilst continuously propping up this one. The thought that it was Russia this and Russia that is ridiculous. As Craig said the hacker is not Russian, and even the person who emailed podesta to tell him to change his password said that the first hack came from the Ukraine (although they probably used a proxy server). The funniest part about this is that the dems and the left are getting annoyed that if it was the Russians then they exposed the truth, not that they hacked it into the voting machines or any of that. No, they exposed the truth about the evil clintons and their scummy assistants. Even more funny than that is the thought they were telling hackers all this time to release trumps tax returns, we wouldn’t be seeing this hype if it was the other way round.
    So what if it was the Russians, America has been fiddling in with a lot of foreign countries for a long time yet cry out when it happens back to them. Imagine being surprised that Putin supported trump. He main be a nut job but he’s one that understands the danger to his people that a Third World War would bring. If he did want trump to win, it was simply for the reason trump won’t go to war with them for trivial reasons like a no fly zone.
    On top of that the Clinton suporters act like their candidate is a perfect star. What part of Saudi donations to the Clinton foundation is somehow excusable whilst a “Russian hacker” sparks the end of the world?
    Finally I want to make one last comment on the hashtag I saw trending on twitter last night, #stateofemergency. This was a call to Obama last night and electors and senators and congressmen nationwide to stop the President Elect from assuming his rightfully won role of POTUS. The hypocrisy from the left is beyond stupid. The fact that months ago, when president elect trump said he might not accept the results due to rigging then the whole American left came out in support against him. They called him a “direct threat to democracy” and now they’re doing the same thing. First it was comey, then it was fake news and Obama and now it’s the Russians. The democrats refuse to accept that they lost the election because they put up an awful candidate. (Before anyone comes back at me with pop vote stats just look at the counties won, that will tell you everything you need to know) The fact of the matter is: Hillary clinton is an awful woman, there are so many bad things she’s done I can’t be bothered to explain them. But the dems lost this election because of her and their failed brand, certainly not Russia. And on the rare chance that they manage to illegally turn over this election, I predict a civil war to happen in America. The working class man is sick and tired of the American establishment shitting all over them and the one time they talk with their vote they’re branded racist and sexist whilst the elite try to prove using Russia that it wasn’t their shit brand that failed but Russian influence. Lies lies and even more LIES

    • michael norton

      Last week, a man who subjected Labour MP Luciana Berger to an online campaign of anti-Semitic abuse was jailed for two years.
      BBC Ministry of Truth

  • michael norton

    The weakened Socialist French government will propose extending the country’s state of emergency until July 15,
    2017 due to presidential and parliament elections in spring next year,
    Prime Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said on Saturday.

    The socialist government imposed the state of emergency – which gives police extended powers to search and arrest – in November last year following the attacks on Paris.

    The extension needs to be approved by parliament, which will debate the proposal on Tuesday. The senate will review it on Thursday.
    http://www.france24.com/en/20161210-france-seeks-extend-state-emergency-until-july-paris-attacks-presidential-elections

    This is deeply worrying for democracy in Europe, what if other deeply unpopular governments think this is a good scam as they approach
    elections, they are virtually certain to not win?

  • michael norton

    BBC Ministry of TRUTH or he Empire Strikes Back
    Anti-Semitism: Official definition ‘will fight hatred’

    Soon, it will be almost impossible to an older white British man to open his mouth in the United Kingdom,
    almost any thing you speak or wright will be a hate crime.

    • michael norton

      Legally binding

      Downing Street said adopting the international definition would ensure people would not be able to get away with being anti-Semitic because the term was ill-defined, or because different organisations or bodies had different interpretations of it.

      The IHRA – which is backed by 31 countries, including the UK, USA, Israel, France and Germany – set its working definition of what constituted anti-Semitic abuse in May.

      The group said having a “legally binding working definition” would give countries the “political tools” to deal with anti-Jewish hate crime.

      BBC “news”

      • michael norton

        I think the wedge is getting thinner.
        Each single “stiffening” of the law may not be so bad, however taken together this is speedily going to arrive at Thought Crime.
        1984 are we there yet?

  • michael norton

    ‘Listen to Scotland or we WILL leave the UK’ Alex Salmond issues Brexit ultimatum
    INDEPENDENCE hunting Alex Salmond has threatened Tory ministers that failure to respect Scotland’s voice on any potential Brexit deal will force another independence referendum.
    The Daily Express

    He should be put out to grass with Ken Clarke

    • tom donald

      Michael you are quoting the Daily Express, this is a worthless source, they lie and lie and lie. Alex Salmond is telling the truth about what we will do, we WILL have an independence referendum if the UK govt. tries to force us out of the EU.

      As an Express reader, you won’t be aware that Scotland voted to stay in the EU.

    • ROBERT

      First of all the article doesnt say anything about real evidence. Even if it is true, all that was learned is how crooked and set up the democrats were with the media to get her elected and how crooked Hillary is. Doesnt even surprise me that democrats think all that is ok because its their side.

  • Paul Barbara

    @ Deepgreenpuddock December 11, 2016 at 13:26
    ‘….It is difficult to avoid the sense that the Syria conflict had been long in the making and planning, and was a key element of asserting overall dominance over the ME…..’

    Gee, funny you should say that….
    ‘Former French Foreign Minister: The War against Syria was Planned Two years before “The Arab Spring”:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/former-french-foreign-minister-the-war-against-syria-was-planned-two-years-before-the-arab-spring/5339112
    ‘Global Warfare: “We’re going to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran..”:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166

    “Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East’:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    ‘2012 Defense Intelligence Agency document: West will facilitate rise of Islamic State “in order to isolate the Syrian regime”:
    https://levantreport.com/2015/05/19/2012-defense-intelligence-agency-document-west-will-facilitate-rise-of-islamic-state-in-order-to-isolate-the-syrian-regime/

    ‘Iraqi Army Downs 2 UK Planes Carrying Weapons for ISIL’:
    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13931204001534

    ‘Iraq’s Popular Forces Release Photo of Downed US Chopper Carrying Arms for ISIL’:
    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13931209001345

    ‘Iraqi Commander: Tapped Communications Confirms US Aids to ISIL’:
    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=112721

    There really is a ton of info out there, it’s just you have to look for it. Did you hear any of the above information on the MSM?
    Naturally, there is a lot of BS on the web as well, but one learns to use one’s judgement and previous knowledge of events to sum up the credibility.

  • Not Assange

    “A little simple logic demolishes the CIA’s claims. The CIA claim they “know the individuals” involved. Yet under Obama the USA has been absolutely ruthless in its persecution of whistleblowers, and its pursuit of foreign hackers through extradition. We are supposed to believe that in the most vital instance imaginable, an attempt by a foreign power to destabilise a US election, even though the CIA knows who the individuals are, nobody is going to be arrested or extradited, or (if in Russia) made subject to yet more banking and other restrictions against Russian individuals? Plainly it stinks.”

    this is some amazing reasoning for a former Ambassador who uses words like “nonsense.” Let’s just say for a moment that the perpetrators were hackers living inside Russia, whether employed or not employed by the state itself, which is exactly the scenario these stories seem to depict. Are you honestly saying with a straight face that the US could extradite or arrest people on Russian soil? You do realize we have no extradition treaty with them, and that any kind of open arrest would be an act of war?

    whatever else you want to say, the idea that we might know who these people are and not be able to take direct action is extremely believable and consistent with many other allegations of espionage throughout history. In fact, the number of occasions where one power HAS been able to “extradite or arrest” perpetrators of espionage by agents of hostile foreign powers is dwarfed by a factor of thousands over those where they haven’t.

    • Not Assange

      got my rhetoric reversed in my final sentence, where of course I meant that the number of times they haven’t been able to “extradite or arrest” exceeds those where they have by a factor of thousands. seriously. all the times the US has alleged Chinese hacking of some sort–how many extraditions or arrests happened there? zero. does that mean those were all lies too? and I could multiply the examples over and over. it’s a terrible argument, and disturbing that you use it as the centerpiece of your post.

      • Trowbridge H. Ford

        Right, Not Assange.

        How about Edward Snowden or the Manhattan 11, the CiA’s deep sleepers under that controller Metsos who were made out to be Russian ones when Obama and Hillary decided to go after Putin? He took them in because he knew they could help him.

        Their laptops were so encrypted that it took whiz hacker Gareth Williams and Snowden himself to open them.

  • Steve Piantedosi

    You really think it’s a “Clinton plot” alone that’s orchestrating this? Are you that simpleminded? This is all a prearranged plot to make Herr Pence our President, a religious extremist and corporate whore even more distasteful that Trump, The entire fiasco of the 2016 campaign is what happens when you cut education budgets, encourage the “my opinion is as good as your facts” belief system, and let the corporate owned media run roughshod over the truth. And you, Mr. Murray, are as guilty as anyone….

  • Erik

    Thank you for standing up and publicly speaking the truth. We need to drown out and discredit the bullshit.

  • blah

    seth rich. he’s already dead. killed on the streets of DC. called a mugging by the police, but nothing was taken from him. julian assange hinted it was him, but refused to confirm it. this is already well known. just another “mysterious” death of someone blowing the whistle on the clintons. where have you all been?

    • Salford Lad

      @blah
      And Julian Assange and WikiLeaks offered a reward of $20k for information leading to the arrest of the killer/killers of Seth Rich.
      What connection did Wikileaks have to Seth Rich if a reward was offered.
      Many muggings and killings on the streets of the USA each day and no rewards offered.

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