The Gospel According To May 402

Thanks @ROBN1980 for this illustration

On their return the apostles told him all that they had done. And he took them and withdrew apart to a town called Bethseda.
When the crowds learned it, they followed him, and he welcomed them and spoke to them of the kingdom of God and cured those who had need of healing.
Now the day began to wear away, and the twelve came and said to him, Lord the people are hungry.
Now Jesus turned to them and said “There are many complex reasons why people are hungry. The best way out of poverty is for them to get a job. Now bugger off while I eat these five loaves and two fishes.”
Now one amongst the faithful, a man named Marr, arose and said, “Lord, many of them do have a job, and yet they are still hungry. Behold, even here are hungry nurses”.
And the people were sore perplexed.
And Jesus looked upon the nurses and he said “Physicians, heal thyselves. Ha! See what I did there? Now bugger off and let me eat these loaves and fishes.”
Upon having refreshed himself with the loaves and fishes, Jesus turned to the text of his authorised biography.
On reading the story of his birth, Jesus called Luke and said unto him “Thou art my beloved biographer, in whom I am well pleased”.
“Verily, this story of my birth is well written. It will sell for many years. The Nativity will have a strong stable readership. Ha! See what I did there?”
“Now clear off and give me some peace, I have to send a letter to Tim Farron upon the evils of sodomy.”

Explanatory note: On the Marr programme today, Theresa May responded to an Andrew Marr question about nurses having to use foodbanks, having suffered a 14% wage cut since 2010. May, a strongly professed Christian, replied “there are many complex reasons why people use foodbanks” and “the best way out of poverty is to get a job.”

One Tory line which May used on both Marr and Peston, I have seen trotted out by the media themselves repeatedly in the last few days. May stated that under the Tories, the wealthiest 1% of taxpayers pay a higher proportion of taxes than ever under Labour. Adam Boulton was pushing this line on Sky News recently, using the figure that the wealthiest 1% pay 29% of income tax.

I have seen nobody make the obvious rejoinder. Under the Tories the wealthiest 1% have the greatest percentage of national income in modern political history. That is why they pay more tax. But due to tax avoidance, it remains the case that the wealthiest pay a lower percentage of their income in tax than any other group. There is no chance that this obvious reply will be given to Theresa May by an interviewer, or that Adam Boulton will start proclaiming it on the airwaves.

The above post is designed to highlight the hypocrisy of May and her unchristian attitudes. It in no way intends to insult the teachings of Jesus; rather the opposite.

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402 thoughts on “The Gospel According To May

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  • John Spencer-Davis

    Best way out of poverty is to get a fucking zero contract apparently. Is it? And there are 750,000 job vacancies in the UK and 1.6 million unemployed even by official statistics. So how are the other 850,000 people supposed to get out of poverty? Stupid woman.

    • Habbabkuk

      Is there any reliable evidence to show that zero hours contracts are on the increase or decrease in the UK?

      • Zeke

        Please explain what you mean by “reliable evidence”. Who exactly, can the electorate depend upon to be reliable? If a plotician has his/her mouth open lies are being spoken, or maybe you are too dumb to accept that as “reliable evidence”.

        • Habbabkuk

          You obviously thought my question was worth a reply. But why are you wasting your time by asking what is meant by reliable evidence rather than answering? If you don’t know whether the number of zero hours contracts is increasing or decreasing, just ignore my question and post about something else.

  • Habbabkuk

    “it remains the case that the wealthiest pay a lower percentage of their income in tax than any other group.”

    Is this not (mathematically) inevitable under a system where income tax is not fully progressive : is, where the top rate is 45% or 50% instead of, say, 98% ?

    If the income tax system were fully progressive, at its end point it would amount to confiscatory taxation, surely : would that be desirable, and why?

    • Habbabkuk

      What I mean is : if the top income tax rate is 45%, then it is clear that the more you earn the the less income tax you pay, expressed as a percentage of your gross income.

      It is perhaps this, rather than tax avoidance, which explains the phenomenon highlighted by Craig.

      • Salford Lad

        Britain is a nation of Turkeys, who will vote Tory again in expectation of an early Christmas.
        It is inevitable that people nearly always vote against their own best interests. We are a nation of masochists and have a teacher/pupil complex. We always do what Teacher tells us ,especially if the Teacher is a woman.

        • Hmmm

          Democracy is only as good as the people who vote in it. People are so poorly educated that they simply do not understand the issues and swallow all the MSM BS. When people rexpect suit they’re read in a paper then that paper has knowingly subverted democracy. The myth that the tories borrow less and reduce debt more is an absolute classic example.

          • Herbie

            Geography was rather easy to get into in her day.

            2 A Levels, D and E, and you’re in.

            The sciences similarly.

            It was Arts was hard to get into.

            And, Law, Dentistry, Medicine and Veterinary.

            You could get into Oxbridge to do ancient religion kinda stuff with 2 Es, and then blagg your way into a proper subject for your second year.

            It was a world of ingenuity and endeavour rather than grades.

            Bluffers and conmen ruled.

          • Habbabkuk

            It’s fairly clear that you didn’t attend Oxford, Herbie. But you may have tried.

          • Resident Dissident

            I’m still trying to find the Duchess of Dorking in Debretts – were you thrown out for bad behaviour?

          • Habbabkuk

            “On here 5 years ago we were led to believe that Habbabkuk attended St John’s”

            Huh? Porkies again? (but feel free to reproduce the alleged post)

        • John O'Dowd

          I think, Salford Lad, you mean ‘England’ when you write ‘Britain’. If you were to replace ‘Britain’ by the word ‘Scotland’, the point you make would be false – indeed the opposite of the truth.

          Unfortunately for us here in Scotland – the turkeys in England impose their ‘Christmas’ on us too – no matter how we vote.

          That is why an independent Scotland is both essential, and inevitable.

      • craig Post author

        No, that is not the opposite of the truth. Excluding tax avoidance, the tax system is supposed to be progressive, eg the more you earn the higher a percentage of your gross income you are supposed to pay.

        • Habbabkuk

          Yes, I agree but I said that the income tax system is not fully progressive at present because the top rate is only 45%. That is the point and that, together with various flat rate taxes (eg VAT),not tax avoidance, explains why you are probably right when you say “the wealthiest pay a lower percentage of their income in tax than any other group.”

          • Bayard

            ” I said that the income tax system is not fully progressive at present because the top rate is only 45%. That is the point”

            Since you are not the Bellman, it doesn’t matter how often you repeat something, that doesn’t make it true. All it requires for a tax to be progressive is that the richer sections of the population pay a greater percentage of the taxable amount than the poorer sections of the population. This is true of income tax and would be true even if there were only two rates. This is not a matter of political belief, it is simple arithmetic.

        • John A

          I am always surprised that no left of centre politician turns the argument round to talk about take home pay instead, which is the truly important figure, ie how much you have to live on. When someone is on a gross salary of millions, plus bonuses on top and huge pension pots, their take home pay is still millions and the tax paid is probably much lower than the official rate due to various accounting schemes to claim against tax.

          • Bayard

            Probably because no politician wants to open the electorate’s eyes to precisely how much tax they actually pay. This is why most taxes are stealth taxes. It is no coincidence that the taxes that get the most people het up are the non-stealth taxes, e.g. inheritance tax, SDLT, council tax, business rates etc. These are little taxes, the big ones, income tax, national insurance and VAT are all stealth.

        • Resident Dissident

          The real point that needs t be understood if you want to address inequality is that it is not just the tax system that needs to be addressed but the actual income system – when Labour was in power the impact of its tax and benefit changes were redistributive to the less well off, unlike with the Tories and their Lib Dem friends – the IFS figures very clearly demonstrate this to be the case. The problem with inequality however has been the income system – those with the economic muscle are able to award themselves pay increases (or move their income into other forms that isn’t taxed as much e.g. capital gains, private equity gains, corporation tax or share schemes) so that they can more than protect themselves against any tax increases.

          If you are really serious about addressing inequality, rather than wrestling jelly with the tax and benefit system, then you need to have serious proposals to address pre tax incomes. The more observant will notice that there is some head of steam developing among shareholders to vote against some of the greediest executive pay schemes – there is a whole layer of the population below senior executives who see what is going on, who know that the senior executives are not worth it and who know how to stop what is going on – but is there any attempt to build a coalition that engages such people?

      • Hmmm

        Nah, you are gonna have to try again.
        Explain to us dopey nurses how someone paying 45% tax rate pays less as a percentage in tax.
        If you mean that take home (net) income is larger, not as a % just as a number, then I understand. As such the burden falls much harder on poorer people, even with a lower tax rate.

      • Bobm

        Au contraire
        The more income you return, the closer your tax rate as a function of your gross income approaches 45%.

        The problem is that big money has ways of reducing its “income”, is less impacted by VAT, and is not troubled by serious capital taxes, the only really significant one, now, being council tax, which is ridiculously regressive.

      • Stu

        “it remains the case that the wealthiest pay a lower percentage of their income in tax than any other group.”

        Is this not (mathematically) inevitable under a system where income tax is not fully progressive : is, where the top rate is 45% or 50% instead of, say, 98% ?

        If the income tax system were fully progressive, at its end point it would amount to confiscatory taxation, surely : would that be desirable, and why?

        Reply ↓
        April 30, 2017 at 13:32

        What I mean is : if the top income tax rate is 45%, then it is clear that the more you earn the the less income tax you pay, expressed as a percentage of your gross income.

        It is perhaps this, rather than tax avoidance, which explains the phenomenon highlighted by Craig.”

        I’m actually in shock at how stupid this is.

        Leaving the aside the dreadful arithmetic the point is that the super rich don’t declare their wealth as income. They declare it in different forms which are taxed at lower rates, are subject to massive deductions and they also hide it offshore and in trusts.

      • Alex Birnie

        That doesn’t make sense. As you move up the income ladder, your tax as a percentage of gross income moves closer and closer to 45%. That’s just maths. But leaving that aside, the problem IS tax avoidance. People who earn £200000, will probably pay the tax, because it is not worth the bother of getting close to illegality by not paying it. It’s the guys and gals who are earning millions, tens of millions and hundreds of millions. Those guys and gals are the ones who are tempted to move their money out of the UK to avoid paying tax, and in doing so impoverishing the rest of us.

        • Michael McNulty

          National Insurance contributions benefit higher-rate taxpayers because when their earnings reach the 45% tax threshold their NI contributions fall from 12% above £155pw, to 2% above £850pw. – a 10% tax cut. So while they bleat about paying a 45% rate of income tax they always fail to mention their drop in NI contributions which means they only pay in effect 35%.

          As most people don’t earn that kind of money ALL of their earnings above £155pw are subject to both taxes. There is no NI contribution limit for Joe and Jane Average.

      • Bayard

        As I see it, if you earn less than £11,500 a year you pay no income tax at all.
        Up to £45,000 pa you pay 20% on the amount above £11,500, so less than 20% on your gross income.
        The same goes for the next tax bracket and the next. Once you get into the 45% tax bracket, every pound you earn raises the total percentage of tax you pay on your gross income, as a greater proportion is taxed at the top rate.
        So please explain to me how “the more you earn the the less income tax you pay, expressed as a percentage of your gross income”.

        • Habbabkuk

          Yes, I should have said “more” and not “less”. My first mis-speaking in several years, Oh well 🙂

      • Zeke

        Well I do hear that there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

        This quotation is often attributed to Benjamin Disraeli, the 19th century British Prime Minister. The source for this view is the autobiography of Mark Twain, where he makes that attribution. Nevertheless, no version of this quotation has been found in any of Disraeli’s published works or letters. An early reference to the expression, which may explain Twain’s assertion is found in a speech made by Leonard H. Courtney, (1832-1918), later Lord Courtney, in New York in 1895:

        ‘After all, facts are facts, and although we may quote one to another with a chuckle the words of the Wise Statesman, “Lies – damn lies – and statistics,” still there are some easy figures the simplest must understand, and the astutest cannot wriggle out of.’

      • Geejay

        Tax rates used to be in 90%’s and 80%’s until Thatcher came along and decided that the rich wouldn’t get out of bed unless she made them richer, by reducing their taxes, and the poor wouldn’t get out of bed unless she made them poorer (and, often, unemployed too). That’s one of the reasons we are where we are.

        Then there’s all the tax breaks for the rich (and moderately wealthy) from ISA’s, inheritance tax and all the other wheezes craven chancellors have bunged as bribes for the Have’s, and of course the very rich employ amoral lawyers and accountants to hide their wealth beyond the reach of the taxman and therefore the rest of us pay more to subsidise the rich. And don’t forget all the other regressive taxes like VAT which the poor have to pay and thereby end up paying a greater proportion of their income in taxes than the wealthy.

        • michael norton

          Agree Council Tax /Poll Tax /VAT are very BAD for the Lower orders.

          Very good for the Upper orders.

  • giyane

    I have recently taken a job and my credit card debt is slowly reducing from £8,000.00 to £6,000.00.
    It would have been helpful if I had been given 1p by the Tory government for six months recovering from a heart attack.

    • Sharp Ears

      Very sorry to read your post Giyane. I did not know you had been ill. I trust that the NHS did their very best for you. Good wishes.

      • giyane

        Thanks Sharp Ears. The heart attack was in May 2005 and I spent the rest of the year improving my house. Last year I was working for an old customer at an Islamic Girls school and this year I am up to full speed again. praise be to God.

        My point was that if working people are just surviving, what do the neo-conservatives expect us to do when we hit a set-back. Andrew Marr was right to poke May about this question, and the appalling cuts to disabled people’s benefits. It’s extraordinary that May had no answer, except to repeat the same old mantra like a Cameron parrot. .

        • Zeke

          Can you please explain why you blame god for your recovery but don’t blame him for your illness? I never quite understand why people, such as yourself, play this little mind-game. Who do you think you are fooling, apart from yourself?

          • Herbie

            “Can you please explain why you blame god for your recovery but don’t blame him for your illness?”

            Yes. Good question.

            I’ll give you my view.

            It’s about submission to that which you know you cannot control.

            You can control that which is within your control.

            But you recognise that there are areas beyond your control.

            To these you can do no other but submit.

            Sometimes it’s bad. What can you do.

            So, when it’s good.

            You say thanks.

            Thanks for my Fortuna.

      • giyane

        I’m fine now. Thanks for your good wishes. I have 700 young international ladies’ student bedsits to maintain. Some are as disgusted by the Tories as I am. Are your daughters safe?

  • Hmmm

    A huge HUGE point raised is the 1%. What kind of fucked up society allows just 1% to earn some much that they provide 30% of tax take? And just how dangerous is that? If 5 of them quit the country that’s a whole hospital we’d have to close!

    • Zeke

      But the first reason is that they just love being ripped-off. It’s like people who buy their washing machines from… oh let’s say a company whose name starts with “D”, and they can never understand why their washing machine arrives in a truck from a company named “E”. It’s called “Globalisation” and as long as the people who pay “D” prices for goods they could have bought at “E”….

  • Sharp Ears

    I watched her performance on Marr. I loathe her.

    Worse followed if that was possible. Nicky Campbell had Alan Mendoza of the Henry Jackson Society on to ‘discuss’ the question ‘Is welfare reform working?’

    He was countered by an excellent speaker, Adrian Curtis, from the Trussell Trust, who have just reported on food poverty. Also speaking was Prof Kate Pickett of the Equality Trust, also excellent.
    Mendoza – ‘Of course it’s better to be in work’ ignoring the fact that many thousands of our fellow citizens ARE in work but are in poverty.

    Listen to the statistics Campbell reads out at the start of the segment at 20mins 20secs in.

    The first question was ‘Should the NHS ration according to lifestyle?’ and the final one was ‘Are actions more important than beliefs?’

    • Habbabkuk

      “The first question was ‘Should the NHS ration according to lifestyle?”

      Actually, that’s not a bad question, is it.

      You could argue that it is a question of liberty.

      Everyone – even if he could materially act otherwise – should be free to lead an unhealthy life style.

      That of course raises questions of what is an unhealthy life style.

      On the other hand, does that person, by exercising his liberty, perhaps infringe the liberty of others?

      In that, given that the resources of our NHS are limited and demand appears infinite, treating that person for what might be considered to be self-inflicted injury would divert treatment resources from other people and thus infringe their right to treatment? Or at least infringe the right of taxpayers to expect that their taxes are used rationally and the manner most conducive toi the general good?

      Very happy to discuss this one with you, Sharp Ears.

      • John A

        If you want to ration healthcare due to lifestyle or choices, what do you do with a drunk who smashed his speeding car into a tree? Say sorry, but we’ve got to leave you to bleed to death in the car wreck? Or first take a blood sample to test alcohol in the blood? Or a tape measure to see how long the skid marks were to check if the car was speeding?
        What if the speeding drunk had to swerve to avoid a drunk pedestrian who had swayed into the road so the immediate accident was not the driver’s fault?

        • Habbabkuk

          You are not wrong, John A, but your examples are those of acute conditions. Consider rather chronic conditions arising out of life-style choices (smoking – lung and other cancers; alcoholism – cirrhosis; etc…) and matters could become a little simpler.

          But one correction and one remark:

          1/. I don’t think I was talking about rationing healthcare ; my thoughts were rather about liberty

          2/. But if we stay with your very first example, and also stay with practicalities rather than stray into political philosophy, the durnkrn drivrn could be required to repat some or all of the cost if his treatment.

          Thanks for your contribution. I was rather hoping for a contribution from this blog’s resident OUR NHS expert but of course zilch, nada, bupkis! 🙂

          • Chris Rogers


            As ever, your exhibit the tool you actually are for very dark forces indeed within the UK.

            That said, I have two close friends who are highly placed within the Wales NHS, both have full access to GP statistics & hospital admissions statistics and said statistic make very uncomfortable reading – particularly with regards opiate abuse, alcohol abuse and the growing epidemic of obesity-related diseases, be these cancers, circulatory or bone diseases – smoking is one of the lesser causes of death now in wales, and that’s before we stencil in suicide. In the USA suicide is now the major cause of death among the under 45s and all noted diseases are driven by economic conditions, namely, nearly 40 years of neoliberal economic madness that has destroyed whole communities. Of course , your more concerned with fucking smoking or drink driving, rather than what are the present drivers of long term illness. Still, you are an establishment stooge and one never expects anything but butt licking responses from your tiny, narcissistic brain.

      • Hmmm

        I don’t like the idea of rationing but I do believe that those who pay most should be prioritised. It’s fairer and makes more sense, economically. Getting a bigger tax payer back to work sooner makes so much sense. May encourage people to pay their tax too…

        • glenn

          That’s a great idea. I’ll just wave my tax return in everyone’s faces, and go straight to the front of the queue at my local GPs.

          If want a scan on my knee, everyone else will have to wait a bit longer. Of course, if you’re on a minimum wage job (full time, working poor), you might just have to wait forever because rich people keep bumping you down the queue.

          Is this what you have in mind?

          • Hmmm

            Not quite so dramatic. The waiting list isn’t a take a ticket and queue you understand?
            Bumping people shouldn’t be necessary, if two people join the list at the same time the priority is set then.

          • glenn

            There are waiting lists for most procedures, and your position is based on your clinical need and the amount of time you have been waiting.

            What you’re proposing is that – somehow – medical staff know exactly how much tax everyone has paid, and prioritise according to that. The idea that two people with precisely equal need present at _exactly_ the same moment is kind of silly.

            What about children? They don’t pay any tax at all. Pensioners? What about the spouse who stays home to look after the kids – back of the queue, you say?

            Fascinating idea of yours, but clearly it needs a bit of work.

          • michael norton

            I recently got rushed to hospital in an ambulance, huge notices at all entrances, about you may not be entitled to free health care, even if you were a U.K. tax payer.
            This is new.

          • Hmmm

            Medical staff wouldn’t need to know. Administrators organise lists. Same time isn’t the concept. It’s waiting times that vary. Children exempt obviously. Clinical need first and foremost obviously but all things being equal…. for haemodialysis patients slots are organised around those that work. No one loses out on treatment but workers needs must be prioritised. It would indeed require lots of work and goodwill but as a very hard left person I love the idea.

          • glenn

            “It would indeed require lots of work and goodwill but as a very hard left person I love the idea.

            With all due respect, this is the most stupid, unworkable and unjust idea I’ve heard in a long time.

          • Hmmm

            Runs out of sensible criticism
            so reaches for attack button. It’s normal human behaviour so don’t worry I’m used to it.

          • Resident Dissident

            The system already exists it is called private medical cover – it uses consultants who take their share from the NHS to cover their (high) basic expenditure and then hawk their spare time to private medicine for the little luxuries in their lives. Many people have restrictions on them taking a second job on the basis that all your attention is required to do your first job properly – not NHS consultants however.

          • Resident Dissident

            Of course private medicine is not as well regulated so if you get Mack the Knife caveat emptor.

        • Manda

          “I don’t like the idea of rationing but I do believe that those who pay most should be prioritised”

          Isn’t prioritizing according to monetary input a form of rationing? Priority might be fairer. especially in health care, if decided on the basis of need and urgency? Besides, there is a functioning private healthcare system those with sizable/good wealth and income can access by prioritizing their disposable income if they so wish.

          I have a suspicion that stressed, particularly economically stressed people tend to let their self care slip. As living standards rise so does self esteem and self worth and people take better care of themselves. Lifting all out of poverty and unavoidable economic stress is good for society as a whole in my world.

          • Hmmm

            No. Prioritising to get people paying back into the system is economically sensible. Poverty does indeed affect health in many different ways but making smokers richer isn’t necessarily going to help them quit. Funnily enough heart attacks are quite good motivators.

        • Resident Dissident

          “It would indeed require lots of work and goodwill but as a very hard left person I love the idea.”
          “With all due respect, this is the most stupid, unworkable and unjust idea I’ve heard in a long time.”

          The Bolsheviks had a slogan ” he who doesn’t work doesn’t eat” – probably where Hmmm got the idea.

      • michael norton

        FAT people are already being refused treatment.
        My mate is 67 is big round his middle, both his shoulders have become useless, so the NHS were
        going to give him replacement shoulders.
        However he failed the FAT test.
        He must first lose four stone.

        So rationing is back in fashion.

        • glenn

          By “big round the middle” do you mean morbidly obese? It’s not good to put people like that under anaesthetic, they die rather too often. It’s far more likely to be these such considerations instead of an excuse not to bother.

          • michael norton

            well not sure Glenn, definitely would be classed as over weight, probably obese.

            Another friend went in two weeks ago to have his heart stopped, then hopefully restarted.
            After waiting two hours they told him the surgeon had gone on holiday.

          • Habbabkuk

            Glenn, Manda, etc…..

            Hmmm at 16h49 was just being provocative, taking the piss.

            And you guys fell for it! LOL

          • glenn

            And you guys fell for it! LOL

            It’s possible that we did. And it’s also possible your faithful hound Anon1, and your good friend Res Dis, fell for it yesterday when the same poster voiced denials that nuclear bombs really did any damage worth worrying about, and denied that Hiroshima and Nagasaki suffered because of nuclear strikes.

            Real knee-slapping stuff, eh?

      • Loony

        The NHS has very little to do with taxpayers – so why should it care what taxpayers want or expect?

    • Zeke

      “I watched her performance on Marr. I loathe her.”

      So that is why you watched her? I was too busy enjoying my weekend to be wondering what any politician was doing.

  • RobG

    An opinion poll has been released today which shows that the gap between Conservative and Labour has now reduced to 10% (sorry, I don’t have a link to hand at the moment); this, before Mrs May opened her mouth this morning.

    When the country’s a sty and you’re wondering why
    It’s a Tory

        • Herbie

          I keep saying this.

          The Tories should not win in a time of austerity.

          I mean, the people are being given a choice between having more of their wealth stolen by parasitic rentier elites or wresting it back from them.

          It’s fairly straightforward.

          The mass interest should win.

          It’s a numbers thing this voting stuff.


    • Zeke

      It’s always been a sty. If you leave the country for a few years and then return you notice it immediately. Rubbish everywhere, especially in the Scottish borders.

  • Laguerre

    May’s campaign is going really badly. People are just laughing at her now. I should think there’ll be a reboot soon. But is she capable of changing? What sort of different campaign could be run? My impression is that she has a fixed line – immigration and grammar schools – and there aren’t any alternatives.

    • Habbabkuk

      Thank you for that, Laguerre.

      Have you anything to share with readers on how the two campaigns are going in the 2nd round of the French Presidential?

    • Zeke

      She held hands with Trump. Do you seriously think she has any future in politics? Who do you think is going to vote for her?

  • Habbabkuk

    Rob Royston

    Mathematics are perhaps not my strongest point but I’m sure they’re yours and so I turn to you for the following information.

    1/. Someone has said that the Conservative lead is down to 13%. What would that be in seats at Westminster were the election to be held tomorrow?

    2/. Someone here has uttered a call for proportional representation. Using the national constituency and the single list model, how many MPs would each of the Scottish parties have at Westminster (on the basis of voting in the last UK general election)?

      • Zeke

        Heinrich? I thought her name began with a “C” after seeing her hold Trump’s hand.

    • Rob Royston

      Being fully engaged in more pressing matters, I can only answer your questions with one of my own. What did your last gofer die off?

  • Stu

    I felt watching May at points last year she had a glazed, medicated look about her.

    Given how cosseted she has been during the campaign her advisors must be worried about her.

    • michael norton

      Saint Theresa is an injecting diabetic,
      no doubt she is also on other drugs.

    • Zeke

      Yes! She is a christian. She needs an invisible friend to get through her life because she has this need to be “saved”. They are all such needy people.

  • Sharp Ears

    Michael Rosen‏ @MichaelRosenYes 1h1 hour ago
    Has anyone found a *complex* reason for people going to food banks yet? Something to do with quantum theory? Wittgenstein?

    Michael Rosen‏ @MichaelRosenYes 58m58 minutes ago
    Journalists are down at food banks today asking poor people what they want to say to May about their complex reasons for being there.

    Michael Rosen‏ @MichaelRosenYes 57m57 minutes ago
    Lynton Crosby is not available for comment, he’s spending time with his complex reasons.

    Michael Rosen‏ @MichaelRosenYes 22m22 minutes ago
    People go to food banks because do-gooding traitors undermine the market economy by providing food for hungry people. #TryingToHelpMay

  • John Spencer-Davis

    ‘Oh “Maggie”, “Maggie” May, they have taken her away, And she’ll never walk down Lime Street any more…That dirty, robbin’, no-good “Maggie” May.’ (Traditional 19th century Liverpool seamen’s song)

  • Loony

    Obviously wealth inequality is growing and there are now some seriously poor people and some seriously rich people.

    This is an inevitable consequence of the decisions taken in 2008 to resolve a debt crisis with more debt. Vast amounts of money has been printed and it has been used to drive up asset prices. These asset prices are used as collateral for the debt. As debt increases then asset prices need to increase and the debt itself drives up asset prices.

    This has nothing to so with a UK domestic general election. In the UK the Labour Party initiated this policy. It was continued by the Coalition government and by the Conservative government. It will be continued by whatever party or combination of parties form the next government.

    Getting a job used to be a way out of poverty – not any more. This just shows how out of touch Theresa May is – but she is not alone all other politicians share the same blind spots The great debt creation machine has changed the game – and few people seem to understand just how the game has changed..

    Stop wasting your time, nothing is coming. Only a fool would think someone could save you.

    • Andrew

      The bubble in asset prices (mainly house prices in the UK) has been fuelled by banks making loans to home buyers at ever-increasing “values”.

      In countries like the UK, a house is only worth what a bank will lend against it.

      • Herbie

        In the UK, it isn’t actually the govt that sets the policy.

        Banks decide which sectors to lend to and which to exclude.

        They create whatever type of economy they want.

        Property has been their big thing for years in Britain.

        It’s all faux wealth and so disastrous to real wealth.

        A scam.

        You see, they can turn off and turn on asset prices, but they can’t control real productivity.

        It’s a very inhuman system.

  • Leonard Young

    It’s not just the stage managed meetings that are nauseating. That fatuous statement “strong and stable”, which has now been repeated hundreds of times by May, is typical of the advertising/PR industry influence on politics, with its patronisingly inane and meaningless buzz words.

    The media is in full swing with its continued bashing of Corbyn, describing his attempts to actually address an audience by facing them as a “gaffe” and even his feckless idiot PR people played along with the media by spinning him around to face the cameras instead of the people there, whereas May’s completely artificial meetings, and the ghastly sound bites that go with them, are largely reported as perfectly ok.

        • bevin

          She is indeed, BobM.
          In fact if you follow the logic of, for example Habbabkuk’s comment at 15.17:
          ““The first question was ‘Should the NHS ration according to lifestyle?”
          You will see that it leads, right through those gates to the Concentration Camp.
          The first victims of the “Final Solution” were the unfit, the mentally ill, those unable to work. Life was being rationed, by the state, according to lifestyle.
          Needless to say, after swallowing the notion that those suffering from Down’s Syndrome should be murdered, it is a small leap in logic to conclude that those populations with the greatest propensity to infect society with inferior beings, lazy or unfit persons, intellectually or morally inferior individuals, might themselves-for the greater good of course- be systematically massacred.
          To ration healthcare by lifestyle, as is actually being done, is the thin end of a wedge which proceeds next to starving old people to death, or neglecting them in sickness (both sports practised by our Victorian forebears) and to infanticide. And this is the end of the wedge which re-opens the Death Camp gates.
          Perhaps an expert person could comment upon my guess, it is little more than that, that thge basis of many ‘lifestyle’ problems is a mental health question. And that it is the lamentable failures of the mental (and even dental) health sectors of the system which gives rise to many of the problems which Habbab, in his sweetest Goebbels imitation, calls matters of personal freedom.
          Of course we all know that the basis of the bulk of all our health problems is poverty, deprivation, overwork, poor housing, insufficient rest and all the other goads whereby the greedy and idle keep the poor working.

          • bevin

            I was going to add, for the benefit of those acquainted with autism, “Did you ever wonder what Dr Asperger did for a living?”

          • michael norton

            Dental problems.
            Yes, the restricting of dental health, unless you can pay for it or know how to jump through the hoops the state puts up to keep u out
            leads to all sorts of problems, sepsis, diabetes, heart conditions, lunacy,
            all these can be spotted by a good dentist.

            Gum disease and heart health are actually linked, probably by bacteria.

          • michael norton


            Did you know that gum disease isn’t just bad news for your teeth, it’s also linked to serious health problems in other parts of your body?

            Gum disease may increase your risk of all kinds of other health complications, including stroke, diabetes and heart disease. Gum disease has even been linked with problems in pregnancy and dementia.

            This shows that it is important for poor people to get free dental check-ups.

          • glenn

            MN: “Gum disease and heart health are actually linked, probably by bacteria.”

            Yes, actually one of the bacteria (Streptococcus mutans) that helps rot teeth will attack the valves of the heart, given the chance.


            A dentist doesn’t just plug teeth during a check-up either, they spot early signs of mouth / tongue cancer, basically give you a brief neck-up check. Since mouth cancer is very treatable when caught early, that six-month check-up is literally a major life saver. So don’t bother going for years until your teeth are hurting really badly, and you might find out you won’t be needing them much longer anyway.

          • Loony

            Your argument would appear to be that the NHS is all that stands between the mass of humanity and the concentration camp. Can this really be true?

            No other country has copied the model of the NHS and yet very few of them have operating concentration camps.

            There was a time when the NHS did not exist. I do not recall its proponents arguing that the NHS was vital in order to stop the wholesale slaughter of people with Downs Syndrome.

            Mental health issues are rising. One reason they are rising is because of increasing zealotry and irrationality in the area of public discourse. People are no longer allowed to apply reason to arguments. If they question the accepted wisdom then it must be because they want to slaughter people with Downs Syndrome and reopen concentration camps.

            What do you do with people of such evil intent? Why you probably put them in concentration camps and congratulate yourself on having invented a circular square.

          • bevin

            “Your argument would appear to be that the NHS is all that stands between the mass of humanity and the concentration camp.”
            A classic straw man argument. With added malice. You are a troll, loony. A nuisance rather than a contributor to the discussion.

          • glenn

            Bevin: ” You are a troll, loony. A nuisance rather than a contributor to the discussion.”

            I’ve come to that conclusion too. No wonder Habbab-cuk speaks so highly of him.

          • Herbie

            Makes some good points in the material realm of things, though.

            I’d always thought there was quite a lot of irony in Loony.


            It’s not that complicated.

            It’s Peep interest versus Elite interest.

            On one side you’ve got the labour theory of value.

            And on the other.

            The Ayn Randian, entrepreneur creates all therefore all else is subordinate.

            That’s where we’re at, in the Western world.

          • Habbabkuk


            “Bevin (re Loony): ” You are a troll, loony. A nuisance rather than a contributor to the discussion.”

            I’ve come to that conclusion too. No wonder Habbab-cuk speaks so highly of him.”

            When Loony says something particularly sensible, I’m happy to acknowledge it. And when he says something particularly silly, I point that out as well.

            There is no point in Glenn and Bevs trying to involve me in their on-going spat with Loony; they should learn to stand on their own feet 🙂

          • Bayard

            I think that’s known as “argument by taking things to extremes” . It’s just another unconvincing straw man.
            The question is, and it is a real question, not something stretched as far as it will logically go and to beyond its breaking point , if you have a state provided, taxpayer funded health system, what do you do about those who are too lazy to look after themselves, in the full expectation that the health service will put right whatever goes wrong as a result of that lack of self-care?

        • FranzB

          ‘Isn’t she also saying that work makes you free?’

          That’s Ian Duncan Smith’s line – it’s basically ‘Arbeit macht frei’

  • Michael McNulty

    “Get a job to get out of poverty!” is quite meaningless when no other context is given such as the hours worked, rates of pay etc. Look at the near-full employment of the Victorians, from six year-old kids to seventy year-old grannies, working twelve-hour days, six and even seven days a week, in a time of technological revolution and rapid industrial expansion…and still too poor to buy life’s basic necessities.

    To those who talk about how work gets you out of poverty without any context in which the work is performed. “You talk shit.”

    • michael norton

      Remember this old chestnut

      Whether you agree with me or disagree with me; like me or loathe me, don’t bind my hands when I am negotiating on behalf of the British nation.
      John Major

    • Bayard

      ““Get a job to get out of poverty!” is quite meaningless”
      Not, if for you, “poverty” is synonymous with “unemployment” and you believe that no-one who works is poor (how could they be, with such a generous minimum wage?). This could just be more Ceausescu-like believing that the world is different to how it actually is.

  • Sharp Ears

    I meant to say that Craig’s satire was brilliant.

    I was reminded of ‘Divinity’ lessons at school. The mistress explained away all the miracles with logic – eg the loaves and fishes feeding the 5,000 – everybody had brought their own food, and so on. I often wondered if the school knew what she was teaching us. It was quite subversive for the time.

    In those days, there was no teaching of comparative religions at secondary level and I wish that there had been those lessons.

    • glenn

      It annoys me that the Christian delusion was taught to us in school as a matter of absolute fact, there was no questioning of it whatsoever, nor even a mention that quite a lot of people either did not have any such delusions at all, or worshipped a different sky-spook altogether.

      One kid (at the age of about 11) confessed to having no belief system at all. The teacher cross-examined him in front of the class in horrified disbelief, the rest of us were shocked. A bunch of the more thuggish lads came up to me afterwards, suggesting that he should be given a jolly good beating for such blasphemy. Actually believing in Christianity at the time, I counselled that Jesus would not want us to meet out violence on his behalf, and persuaded them not do.

      • John Spencer-Davis

        I was not born into a Christian household. When I started school (what we used to call infants’ school), we had a morning religious assembly daily, and at one point in it every child put their head down and started to mumble in unison. I had no idea why. So I put my head down and mumbled with the rest.

        Nobody bothered to explain what that was about. I now know that we were supposed to be reciting the Lord’s Prayer, but I didn’t actually learn it until I was twenty.

    • Loony

      I am sure a teaching of comparative religions would have benefited you.

      You may for example of learned that all Gurdwara’s provide free food. This free food is not restricted to Sikh’s and anyone from any religion, or none, is welcomed.

      Such knowledge may have tempered your seemingly total reliance on the Trussell Trust when it comes to the matter of free food.

    • Bayard

      Yes, that was what they said at my school. I guess we were at school at the same time and explaining miracles was part of the zeitgeist.

  • Laguerre

    A physicist tells us about politics – and on Breitbart! It’s wild stuff, that article.

    • michael norton

      If you are over 65 once every two years you can get your eyes checked for free.
      How about changing that rule so everyone in our country can get their eyes checked once a year for free?

  • RobG

    Tomorrow, May Day, I can guarantee that there’ll be major riots in France (yet again) and none of it will be properly reported. Both Macron and Le Pen are a Non. This country is on the verge of revolution.

    In France we’re at that time of year where we go through a string of public holidays. Corbyn is proposing four new bank holidays for the UK, to celebrate the national day of each of the four nations that make up (ha!) the United Kingdom.

    Of course the Establishment always says that bank holidays reduce productivity: bad! bad! bad! but in actual fact the loss of productivity is more than compensated because consummer spending goes up during bank holidays, thus benefiting the economy, more than the loss of productivity.

    They say that people in places like like Greece, Italy, France and Spain lounge around in the sunshine drinking wine and have the space to think about things.

    What’s wrong with that? It’s a good work-life balance.

    Whereas you lot in the USUK madhouse are brainwashed into thinking that you must work non-stop on the hamster wheel, destroying all family life and all society, purely for the benefit of your corporate masters, who make you work for ever decreasing amounts of money.

    It’s total madness, madness that sadly most of you still seem to go along with.

    It’s nothing to do with ‘strivers and skivers’.

    It’s just all a total con to screw as much out of you as they can.

    • Bobm

      In which region do you live?

      It would be interesting to discuss regional issues, UK and French.

      • RobG

        I’m in the Charente (south west France). I’m in a very rural area, but I do try to stay on top of what is happening in the country as a whole.

          • RobG

            My postcode is 16150.

            I’m not giving anything away that the total vermin at GCHQ don’t already know.

            Don’t be afraid of these a-holes and criminals.

            They are all going to be held to account.

            Don’t make any mistake about that.

          • glenn

            R: “They are all going to be held to account.” (continues ad nauseam)

            Oh Jeez… it’s that time of night again, Rob?

          • Herbie

            Can you get real cheese, milk and proper food and stuff.

            They’re killing us here with the plastickly food they’re feeding us.

            France is only about the late 90s so far as the Anglo/American experiment is concerned.

            There’s still hope.

          • Habbabkuk

            Not quite right (again) Herbie.

            The French TV station France 4 has regular programmes on consumer issues, prominent among which are programmes on the French industrie agro-alimentaire. They reveal that the French have little to learn from the anglo-saxons when it comes to producing junk food.

    • Bayard

      Ah so that’s where the slogan came from. That’s probably not the only leaf that Theresa May will be taking out of Tayyip Erdogan’s book.

  • Rory O'Bryan

    I find it infuriating that interviewers never challenge the ‘the richest are pay a higher percentage of total tax than ever before’ line. Especially when it’s joined with the ‘1.3 million people are still too poor to pay any tax at all’. I’d be very happy to see the rich pay less and the poor more by having a fairer distribution of wealth.

    • Loony

      Who says wealth distribution is not fair? and who gets to opine on what “fair” means?

      If you try to solve a debt crisis with more debt then a necessary consequence is widening wealth inequality. If people were not happy to be hurtled into poverty (poverty from which they will never escape) then they should have done something about at the time the policy was instigated.

      People seem to be looking for politicians to reduce inequality. That is delusional thinking at its highest level. These are the very people who designed and implemented policies that they knew would accentuate wealth inequality. Every possible permutation of government post the election will faithfully follow policies that will result in further wealth inequality. .

          • glenn

            If you have a point, kindly make it. There’s no way in hell I’m going to play battling youtube videos.

          • Loony

            That’s fine Glenn.

            Your willful ignorance is noted, as is your propensity to comment on matters of which you are determined to remain ignorant.

          • Resident Dissident

            In my experience I’m afraid watching YouTube videos contributes to ignorance rather than the reverse – there is an ongoing experiment involving my children and the results look pretty conclusive. Perhaps you might wish to try books instead – apart from the self published version, they tend to make use of a selection process and editors to weed out the dross.

          • glenn

            Loony: It’s the modern day run-around. You type one lazy sentence, and that’s supposed to get me spending hours watching some BS you’ve referenced on youtube, and another hour or so responding to it.

            No thanks, seen that game played a long time ago.

            Perhaps I can recommend a book or two, of which you should read every word, and I can expect a full personal response to that…?

      • bevin

        Yes. Complete bullshit.
        “who gets to opine on what “fair” means?” Among others, Loony you do. So if you have a new definition tell us what it is.

        Then your third paragraph-in which you explain that voting is a waste of time, completely contradicts the second, in which voters are blamed for not using their votes properly.

        Why do I sense that underneath all this rubbish about Debt there is a Rhodesian racist longing to tell us that some men are superior, by breeding, and others untermenschen?

        • glenn

          I don’t think we’re dealing with an honest commentator, Bevin.

          The Greeks were all to blame, each and every single one, along with the Irish, Italian, Portuguese and Spanish, who got what was coming to them. While everyone who just happened to be born a German is an industrious, hard working and responsible individual voter and manages their lives properly.

          These aren’t even the notions of a deluded true-believer, it’s just trolling.

        • giyane


          I agree with Loony because there was a moment in 1979 at which we had a clear choice. Mrs Thatcher’s manifesto shredded centuries of ethical politics. Why did people buy into it?

          It was a coup, similar to the coup which has been seen in Syria, whereby a selfish germ has been injected into a pluralist religion. Why are people now buying into it?

          Why did parliament buy into Blai’s lies about WMD in Saddam’s Iraq. He had nothing in his arsenal except what the West had sold him. They knew Iraq had the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world.

          Loony is completely right. We have to take responsibility for our decision ( not mine ) to de-regulate banking because if we don’t we are still agreeing to it. As soon as we realised what a con Thatcherism was we threw her out.

          As soon as we realised that Al Qaida work for USUKIS, at the start of Cameron’s war on Libya, we should have thrown him out, and in many ways, because of the criminal interference of Nick Clegg, Brexit was our first chance to do that.

          With Theresa May, the UK electorate have their first chance to express their opinion on the austerity that has reduced wages and finished the welfare state for the weakest members of society. On June 8th 2017Jeremy Corbyn will win a massive landslide victory. How do I know? Because the BBC is working like a jet engine to denigrate him and promote the racist Tory plutocrats.

          • Bayard

            “I agree with Loony because there was a moment in 1979 at which we had a clear choice. Mrs Thatcher’s manifesto shredded centuries of ethical politics. Why did people buy into it?”

            IMHO, because people are naturally selfish and greedy. Fighting two world wars in fairly quick succession resulted in an attitude adjustment that allowed those who could overcome that natural greed and selfishness to make some social and political progress. By 1979, the world war effect was beginning to wear off.

        • Loony

          Let me help you out with some basic comprehension.

          I do not say that the definition of “fairness” emanates from me. I do not blame voters for not using their votes properly. I do say that voting is a waste of time. So you have got one out of 3 correct, which is really not very good.

          The people that are pulling the strings are not subject to being approved or disapproved of by voters. The people that voters vote for work for the people that pull the strings. I do blame people for being too lazy and not bothering to find out how things work. There is a price to pay for willful ignorance and that means being crushed economically – that means the iron heel of oppression stomping for all time on the faces of the poor and dispossessed. It is a pretty big price to pay so I am quite sure what it is that people are doing that is more important than not being economically destroyed.

          So what is fairness? Is it fair that the powerful exploit the poor and is it fair that this exploitation really is a system that might reasonably “give itself 3,000 years” Is it fair that a lion eats a gazelle? Is it fair that people that are too lazy to understand what is going on are protected from the consequences of their laziness. Is it fair that some people seek to weaponize their ignorance so as they can rain down a torrent of ad hominem insults as an alternative to doing any work. Most importantly is it fair that the willfully ignorant expect some form of protection from the most predatory class of human ever to be given free reign in all of recorded history.

          Look how George Osborne instructs the US DoJ on what it can and cannot prosecute. What more evidence do you need to understand that things are not as you think them to be.

          • John Spencer-Davis

            If the people that voters vote for work for the people that pull the strings, why all the effort to keep Corbyn’s Labour out? If both he and May work for the people who pull the strings then it’s neither here nor there which party is elected.

          • Bayard

            “If the people that voters vote for work for the people that pull the strings, why all the effort to keep Corbyn’s Labour out?”
            Because not all MPs are in the pay of the powers that be, although enough of them are for it to be generally true. Jeremy Corbyn appears to be one of the ones that aren’t, nor possibly are “his Labour” although it’s hard to tell at this stage. So the TPTB are keen to keep Labour out because along with their Labour, there will also be elected JC and his Labour, which could give them problems.

          • Loony

            Most likely Corbyn is an honest man who cannot be bought and probably cannot be intimidated into submission. Therefore he is a problem. It is easiest to deal with this problem by making him “un-electable.” This is his one and only chance. If he fails then simple age means he will go away.

            If he is elected then he will need to be brought into line or destroyed. Presumably he will be brought into line the same way Varafoukis was. If this fails then they will need to launch an economic assault on the UK. Because the entire global economy is propped up on a rotting foundation of fraud this will be a high risk game – but they will not hesitate. Corbyn cannot possibly win because the real fat controllers would sooner destroy the entire global economy than lose their power to him. At some deep and subconscious level there is probably a kind of Faustian pact between those with the power and the voters – they are united in their desire to maintain the economic mirage for as long as possible.

            All in all it is so much easier never to have to deal with Corbyn – hence the full fake news media spin machine is being put into overdrive.

      • giyane

        Loony, you’re so right. I know someone whose neighbours gave them grief for years who eventually moved away and now they are buying their house. The French and Germans must be celebrating that the pile of ordure that is UK bankster Thatcherism has eventually moved out. A deep core of duplicity at the heart of the English nation gave us an Empire just as there is a crust of bacteria on the top of every cesspit.

      • Why be ordinary

        solving a debt crisis by the State taking on the debt would nromally increase inequality – but not necessarily so. It depends whose debts the state is taking on and how the tx structure of the State is devised. If the rich control the State you are right – but there are other ways of doing it, like the enforced savings system that Keynes proposed to pay for WWII.

  • Tony_0pmoc

    Tony_0pmoc on April 30, 2017 · at 8:50 pm UTC

    So far as I can tell, from my perspective of living in a Country I love – England – The Liars and The Thieves and The Vagabonds are All working For The UK Government – and Local Government on Gold Plated Pensions and These Bureaucrats do not do Anything useful most of the time.

    They just chase and harass – the people who are providing public services – often very small companies that are close to going bust – because their customers…do not pay their bills on time..

    But these people do not care. They get paid even if they are completely useless…which most of them are. Failure is Being Rewarded – whilst the people who do the important work are not being paid.

    The World has gone mad – even in the UK. I’m sure its even worse in The USA.

    I Don’t know about Russia – but I guess it is pretty much the same.

    How do we break free from this useless slime that is in “control”?

    Just askin’ – I have no solutions.


  • michael norton

    Mr Salmond has publicly defied Ms. Nicola Sturgeon, claiming the upcoming election is about INDEPENENCE.

    He said on the radio Scotish voters “will know that they are voting to support the right of the parliament to decide on the holding of the Scottish referendum”.

  • RobG

    Arcade Fire were remarkable, not only because they were an incredibly talented band, but also because they were the last ones before the corporate screen came down. Enjoy what you will no longer see today…

    We now live in a fascist lunatic asylum.

    There’s no art.

    There’s no nothing, except endless war.

  • RobG

    Darth, thanks for the info, and thanks for putting back my post.

    We are living through quite extraordinary times, with the fate of the planet in the balance.

    I would say that all voices need to be heard.

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