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154 thoughts on “How Many Tories Can You Fit Round a Small Table?

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  • glenn_uk

    Habbabkuk has had his wish granted… we have moved onto another post already, leaving that clanging embarrassment about the cotton-wool election (i.e. the Tory’s cowardice about leaders’ debates) on a previous thread.

    • Sharp Ears

      Thank God I never listen to it. It was like a PPB lasting 18 minutes. Are the other parties going to receive the same favours?

      Followed by La Kuenssberg for 3 minutes.

      Sarah Sands is the new editor. She was replaced by Gideon at Lebedev’s organ. Cosy little world isn’t it where they all play musical chairs?

      Sarah Sands named editor of BBC Radio 4’s Today programme
      London Evening Standard editor is to replace Jamie Angus at helm of flagship news and current affairs programme
      https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/30/sarah-sands-named-editor-bbc-radio-4-today-programme-evening-standard

      ‘Sands’ previously close relationship with some Conservatives, in particular her former Telegraph colleague Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, who was London mayor during her tenure at the Evening Standard, is understood to have raised eyebrows externally and within the BBC following news of her appointment.’

      Sands’ second husband is Kim Fletcher. He was the Independent editor. Now a partner at Brunswick, the PR outfit.

      The UK is a fascist state.

      • Aha !!

        This means the Russians have already hacked into the General Election, Gideon was placed at the ES in time for the GE or more likely when it was decided to hold the election? The cabinet will not be too pleased.

        • Sharp Ears

          Gideon, one of the nastier Tory specimens to have occupied the front bench, is not standing on June 8th. Now free to add to his pile of shekels without having to concern himself about the opinion of the British public, not that the smug git ever did so.

          Good riddance.

          • Republicofscotland

            Sharp Ears.

            Yes good riddance I say, to possibly the worst chancellor in living memory. Unfortunately he did add that he was leaving for now.

            So after Brexit sinks HMS Brexitania, he may worm his way back in again, to sup at the taxpayers table of freebies.

            Osborne said it was too early to write his memoirs.

            I’d imagine his book when he pens it will be called “How I Borrowed and Borrowed and Kept Borrowing.” 😀

      • Habbabkuk

        “The UK is a fascist state.”
        __________________

        It certainly is. That’s why so many people from all sorts of countries come to settle here.

        But the question is : what are YOU doing to combat fascism?

        In real life, I mean, as opposed to in the blogosphere.

      • John Meffen

        “The job advertisement stipulated an “extensive experience of broadcast journalism at a senior level”. Sands has no broadcast experience, other than as an occasional interviewee.”

  • nevermind

    Not a single UKIP candidate standing in the local elections in South Norfolk, they are so interested in local politics, but guess what, they will get lots of air time in this, another unfair, disproportional election.

    Now the negotiations about our children’s future and hence ‘what is in Britain’s best interest’ will suffer.
    I think this is a concerted effort by the BBC media and Tories to turn people so much off politics that they can’t take it anymore and disappear in a puff of smoke, then they can talk to themselves.

  • Stu

    Watching PMQs and it’s clear that the Tories have reached a new level in authoritarianism. We have fawning backbench questions which wouldn’t have been out of place in a banana republic (Phillip Hollobone quoting her own speech back to her lovingly almost made me retch). May seems to believe that any opposition to her policies are verging on treason and that this election is going to leave her in an Erdoganesque position to do whatever she chooses in future.

    On the other hand I am perversely pleased about Chicken Coup MPs having to fight for their seats under Corbyn’s banner.

  • jake

    You cannot hope
    to bribe or twist,
    thank God! the
    British journalist.

    But, seeing what
    the man will do
    unbribed, there’s
    no occasion to.

    Humbert Wolfe

  • reel guid

    Scottish Greens Co-convenor Maggie Chapman is calling for her party not to put up a candidate against Mundell in the DCT contest and therefore not splitting the pro-indy vote. All Davie needs now is for Ruthie to say she’s coming to campaign for him in the constituency and then he really would have no chance.

    • Republicofscotland

      reel guid.

      Yes I read that as well, hopefully Governor General to Scotland Fluffy Mundell’s days are numbered as a MP, in Scotland anyway.

      It’s a pro-active move by the Greens, lets see how the Tories and their Labour/Libdem buddies like that.

  • David

    TV debates produce sound bite politics, I’m glad she has no intention of appearing in them, its a stupid American idea that I think Blair imported.

    This country needs a general election to rebalance the equation, too many conflicting opinion polls and too much discussion about who has the right to do what and when. After the election we can start to see where the country is really heading. SNP have the most to lose, Labour will get hammered into none existence and so will be forced to change, settle their internal difference’s and become a party that can at least offer some opposition.

    It also give May the mandate that this blog claims she doesn’t have.

    My prediction… con majority 100+ seats, SNP will lose some seats but not many, UKIP are dead in the water, Liberal democrats the same. Labour will get what’s left, but I think labour are the risk to the SNP not the Tories.

    It is however a tad hypocritical to deny INDYREF but call a general election

  • Loony

    I fail to see any problem from a Scottish perspective.

    If the people of Scotland desire independence and desire to remain in the EU then their choice is simple – vote for the SNP. If they do not want independence and/or want to leave the EU then they should vote for the candidate most likely to defeat the SNP candidate.

    Comments on this blog would suggest that the SNP vote should be somewhere north of 90%. In reality merely replicating the last set of election results will be sufficient to effectively guarantee independence. Why should any Scots person care who votes for who outside of Scotland – you want independence then what happens outside of Scotland is of no concern to you.

    Anyone in Scotland not obsessed with propaganda or the cult of personality (or lack thereof) should check out the record of ZANU-PF, the ANC the Workers Party of Korea or any other one party state. If all this makes you happy then vote for the SNP.

    • Republicofscotland

      “I fail to see any problem from a Scottish perspective.”

      _____

      Looney.

      How about every newspaper (bar two) every tv channel, and every MSP not in the SNP or Scottish Greens, constanly pumping out propaganda against you.

      Or how about the Treasury telling us through their media outlet (BBC) that Scotland’s too wee too poor and up to its neck in debt.

      You can’t begin to comprehend the challenges to gain independence, unless you live in Scotland and the very fact that yes lost narrowly in 2014, with all the sheer bias against it is in my book amazing.

      Add in that the appetite still seems to be there for a second indyref, and next time around things might just swing our way.

      • Loony

        So what – who cares? All of the things that you describe were used to their maximum extent in the Brexit vote. Taken in aggregate the British people ignored all of this propaganda.

        Even now there are powerful forces at work determined to frustrate Brexit, or in some way determined to punish the British people for having the temerity to vote against their masters instructions. People that voted to leave the EU are routinely smeared as racists or xenophobes or bigots or fascists. But the people did not care and do not care – they desired to be free of the EU and were willing to pay the price whatever that may be.

        If Scottish independence activists are concerned with the media then that is a bad sign – for like the EU the media is also a dead man walking. The times they are a changing and no-one any longer cares what the media does or says, for they have exposed as the master purveyors of fake news.

        • Republicofscotland

          “The times they are a changing and no-one any longer cares what the media does or says, for they have exposed as the master purveyors of fake news.”

          ________

          Looney.

          Tell that to pensioners who watch the unionist news that tells them if they vote to leave Britain theyll lose their pensions.

          Scotland must be the only country in the world that doesn’t control its own media channels, broadcasting isn’t devolved, even Catalonia, has several tv and radio channels not state controlled.

          Infact areas in the South of Scotland can’t even get Scottish news broadcasts, on tv they are forced to watch news from Northern England.

          You really have no idea Looney.

          • Loony

            You appear to despise the Scottish electorate. What makes you think that Scots are uniquely prone to fake news?

            People in the UK were told that if they voted for Brexit then the whole economy would collapse. People were told that their house prices would fall. The British seem uniquely attached to rising house prices and most people that own houses tend to be older people (including pensioners).

            People in the US were told that Trump was a joke candidate and that a President Trump would have catastrophic consequences for them.

            Why should the country of Scotland control its own media? Why can’t the people control the media? – that is what the internet provides for. The BBC are scum – and would remain scum whether they are controlled from London or Glasgow. It is their lies that contributed to an uncounted death toll in Iraq and the purposeless deaths of soldiers from all parts of the UK including Scotland. Would the deaths of Scottish soldiers be somehow more acceptable if the lies that led to deaths emanated from Scotland instead of London?

            I am quite willing to tell Scottish pensioners and anyone else that the news provided by the BBC is entirely fake, and that no thinking person should believe a word that these sophists speak on any subject – including the matter of Scottish independence.

      • Zebedee

        Actually I noticed Jeremy Corbyn said a few words about the SNP today. Words like ““The SNP may talk left at Westminster, but in government in Scotland it acts right. A genuinely progressive party would not refuse to introduce a 50p top rate of income tax on the richest.

        “The SNP wants to break up the UK; it has no interest in making it work better. Independence would lead to turbo-charged austerity in Scotland – not progressive politics.”

        So why do you expect us to believe you and Craig rather than Jeremy Corbyn, and I do remember Craig telling us how he hopes Jeremy Corbyn becomes PM?

    • Habbabkuk

      Having followed the lively debate and discussion between “Republicofscotland” and Loony rather carefully I should say that Loony has it by several lengths.

      His comment

      “Why should any Scots person care who votes for who outside of Scotland – you want independence then what happens outside of Scotland is of no concern to you.”

      was particularly pertinent and in fact demonstrates the problems which arise when some contributors (in this case, Republicofscotland) attempt to ride two horses at the same time.

  • Republicofscotland

    Well we are unlikely to see Theresa May around any debating tables, in the run up to the GE. The PM, knows only too well that her inane policies would be ripped apart.

    I read in some quarters a empty chair should be placed out during debating to represent the PM, surely, that’s a insult to the chair. 😀

    Mind you I recall Clint Eastwood speaking to a empty chair, a few years back regarding US politics.

  • bevin

    The electorate is likely to be very volatile. It is proving to be so in France:
    “With less than a week to go before the first round of the 2017 French presidential election, the latest twist in a long – very long – list of twists and turns, has been the late surge of Jean-Luc Mélenchon, the leader of France Insoumise (Unbowed France).
    “Until March 20, the former Left Front Candidate was trailing Benoît Hamon in fifth position. According to the latest opinion polls, Mélenchon is in third position ahead of François Fillon, the conservative candidate. What is more, he is now within touching distance of Emmanuel Macron, an independent centrist candidate, and Marine Le Pen for the extreme right’s Front National… ”
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/19/melenchons-late-surge-in-france-the-triumph-of-left-wing-populism/

    Corbyn could benefit greatly from not wasting time, and adjusting his ‘image’ for, a BBC Leaders debate.
    Labour’s best bet is to ignore the media, make a political issue of its corruption and its lying, and concentrate on local rallies and meetings. That will give the half million members something to do-when they have got rid of the Fifth Column-Mandelson’s Mounted Infantry- and turned every local candidate into a campaign asset, rather than a Tory in mufti.
    As, I think it was J, said on the previous thread, this could turn into a landmark in the MSM’s long and precipitous descent into irrelevance and obscurity.
    The sad thing is that two of the best campaigners and ‘stump’ speakers that Labour has, Ken Livingstone and George Galloway, have been sidelined by the Israeli Embassy.
    Now that would have been a Midlothian Campaign on steroids.

    • RobG

      The French media have (predictably) been incredibly hostile to Mélenchon during this presidential campaign. It’s been as bad as, if not worse, than the UK media’s treatment of Corbyn.

    • Chris Rogers

      Bevin,

      Brilliant quote: “The sad thing is that two of the best campaigners and ‘stump’ speakers that Labour has, Ken Livingstone and George Galloway, have been sidelined by the Israeli Embassy.”

      No doubt Tories fear George Galloway, who, in my humble opinion, should return to his media platforms and denounce the Tories as they lying bastards they really are – if a few red Tories/Blue Labour types get caught in his cross-hairs all the better.

      However, its clear May want’s a Constitutional Crisis, but it remains to be seen if Sturgeon is up to the task – if, as is probable the SNP win every single Constituency in Scotland, succession should follow swiftly – let May and the Tories own the dissolution of the UK, they deserve it and we owe it to them.

  • RobG

    I put this in the previous thread. I hope Craig won’t mind me repeating it here (the May – Corbyn exchange is worth taking a look at)…

    This is the CIAdian’s snap verdict on today’s PMQs:

    “Corbyn v May was a relatively tedious stalemate. Corbyn launched a broadside attack, covering a range of what he described as broken Tory promises, but without delivering a memorable headline soundbite. His points about the debate were effective (particularly the comeback towards the end), but anyone listening and hoping to glean one single reason why people should vote Labour would have been disappointed. May at least had a more robust soundbite – set up for her in advance by Alberto Costa’s question (see 12.05pm). It was glib, but serviceable for the election campaign.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/apr/19/election-2017-theresa-may-mps-early-vote-politics-live?page=with:block-58f74818e4b0e0ec04f025a3#block-58f74818e4b0e0ec04f025a3

    For those who missed it, you can find the first part of today’s PMQs here…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puCE7L2ysMc

  • bevin

    The US right wing is really panicking over the French election.
    http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/43119-the-insane-french-elections-that-could-fck-us-all

    What the “Daily Beast” calls insanity is questioning the status quo-NATO, the EU, Russophobia etc.
    Note the way that Le Pen is linked to Putin because the FN has borrowed money from a Russian bank, no doubt if the had borrowed from a German or US or British bank nothing would have been said.

    • Loony

      The Russians were the only people prepared to lend money to the FN. All western banks said No, Non, Nein.

      The is a prima facia example of the financial sector interfering in the democratic process by applying discriminatory lending criteria to legal political parties. That this is not news, is of of course not news, although it can and will be leveraged to manufacture stories about Putin interfering with the democratic process.

      • Herbie

        Macron is the neoliberal globalist banker candidate.

        Melenchon is the spolier candidate.

        The spoiler of Le Pen.

        Le Pen is the France First, Gaullist Frexit candidate.

        You’d expect that to be a sure thing, the way things are in France, and in Europe and in the world more generally.

        But no.

        It’s these men from nowhere, Macron and Melenchon, whom media push.

        It’s kinda like media creations against real living breathing human beings.

        And then there was Donald Trump, who managed to combine both.

  • reel guid

    Labour’s Ian Murray, possibly soon to be an ex-MP, has been spinning like mad on twitter. Saying that the SNP are “shameless” for not voting to bring down the Tory government in today’s vote. He even mentioned 1979 yet again as if that’s meaningful.

    He campaigned and celebrated with the Tories in 2014 to keep Scotland under a Tory government. He has done everything he could to undermine the Labour leader and foment civil war in his party, thereby helping to create the 20% lead the Tories have in opinion polls.

    Nevertheless Ian reckons it’s all the SNP’s fault. SNP Baad.

  • fred

    The vote on an election is in, passed 522 for to 13 against.

    So that’s Natalie McGarry and Michelle Thomson, wonder who the other 11 were?

  • fred

    I would like to wish Peter Wisheart luck in his campaigning and hope the half of his constituents he just called “wanks” can find it in their hearts to forgive him when he knocks on their doors waving a leaflet 🙂

  • Sharp Ears

    How about this for a non-answer from May in PMQs today?

    Mr Dennis Skinner (Bolsover) (Lab)
    Will the Prime Minister give a guarantee that no Tory MP who is under investigation by the police and the legal authorities over election expenses in the last general election will be a candidate in this election? If she will not accept that, this is the most squalid election campaign that has happened in my lifetime.

    The Prime Minister
    I stand by all the Conservative MPs who are in this House and who will be out there standing again, campaigning for a Conservative Government who will give a brighter and better future for this country.

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2017-04-19/debates/CE407254-EF87-4FF8-A666-2F4A304A0FF1/Engagements

    There were other references to this matter throughout the day’s proceedings.

  • Republicofscotland

    So the vote passed and Corbyn has signed his own political death warrant by allowing his MP’s to back it. Instead of holding off until Brexit was under full swing when May and bungling Brexiteers would’ve been shown up for the charlatans they are, and Labour’s popularity in England might have increased.

    Corbyn has three years or so to fight an election and he backs May’s snap election just when Labour are at their lowest point in the opinion polls. He could’ve tried to enforce the Fixed Term Parliamentary act, a act introduced to stop the very thing Theresa May is aiming to do.

    If Labour fall even deeper into the political abyss, they have no one but themselves to blame.

    Up in Scotland there is only one Labour MP, thankfully they’re a endangered species, that hopefully will becomes extinct in Scotland.

    That other elusive and extremely rare creature a Tory MP, is on its last legs in Scotland as well.

    • Alcyone

      You’re quite right RoS. Corbyn could’ve tried blocking the vote. He had a rational argument to declare that this is not the time for an election in the country; that we had to focus on the negotiation and the negotiation alone, and that this was time critical. He could well have been supported by the SNP?

      Why didn’t he do it?

      • Republicofscotland

        Why didn’t he do it?

        _______

        Alcyone.

        He didn’t do it because like Theresa May over Brexit, Corbyn actually believes he’ll get a good deal from the voters.

        Whilst May calls a snap election to strengthen her party’s grip at Westminster, HMS Brexitania, is going to hell in a handbasket.

        Brexit is looming and many laws repatriated back to Westminster won’t see full scrutiny, domestic policy will suffer greatly as they’ll be no real time for politicians to look into them.

        The lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum.

        • Alcyone

          Interesting thought. Literally or figuratively? Is this an original thought fred or have you read any opinions/speculation around this?

          Either way the next Govt should call a Scots Independence referendum requiring a supermajority of voters to carry.

          • fred

            Once more this tiny island is standing alone against Europe. Parties that force May to fight a battle on two fronts could end up in the wilderness for a very long time, people on all sides want the best deal possible for Britain and all the parties should work together to achieve it. Forget the independence referendum it isn’t going to happen any time soon.

          • Republicofscotland

            “This tiny island”

            Only Scotland is tiny, well according to the BBC’s weather map that is. 😀

          • reel guid

            Fred

            When did this tiny island ever stand alone against Europe?

            Standing in 1940 against Nazi Germany which had occupied most of Europe, yes.
            But there’s quite a difference.

          • reel guid

            Fred

            You don’t see anything wrong with your statement that Britain – or “this tiny island” as you put it in dewy-eyed fashion – stood “alone against Europe”.

            France, Belguim, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Luxembourg and Denmark were forcibly occupied by Nazi Germany. These countries weren’t standing against Britain but were awaiting liberation.

            Yet you want to mythologise in a xenophobic way that Britain was standing against Europe in 1940 and is standing against Europe now.

            It’s grossly insulting to continental Europe and grossly insulting to the British and Commonwealth forces that liberated these countries.

          • Iain Stewart

            Says fred “The SNP were on Germany’s side then as well.” What a disgusting little shite you are, fred.

          • fred

            Prince Philip saw active service, in the navy, he took part in the invasion of Sicily.

            Arthur Donaldson dodged the draft and spent his time handing out subversive literature trying to undermine the war effort.

          • fred

            “What a disgusting little shite you are, fred.”

            Do you know it only takes 15 muscles to smile while it takes 38 to say “fuck off and die retard”?

            But I find it’s it’s worth the extra effort.

          • Zebedee

            “Only Scotland is tiny, well according to the BBC’s weather map that is”

            The technical term is “Mercator Projection” but you no doubt prefer to think of it as a conspiracy against Scotland.

            Allow me to reassure you that it is simply a matter of translating a globe into a flat map that is easy to use. And no, Marcator wasn’t an English Tory but a Flemish geographer and cartographer. No conspiracy there RoS.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection

          • JOML

            Hi Fred, I don’t think Prince Philip was a member of the British Royal family at that point (?). Also, his brother-in-laws had interesting backgrounds… 😱

          • nevermind

            If in doubt and if our Government has lost the plot and doesn’t know a way forward, lets have an election.

            Fred and Alcy1 are only too happy to divert this utter mess to the default issue,i.e. lets rewarm old hatred and ensure that our hate’s and frustrations are kept well alive.

            how pathetic to rewarm all these old arguments, trying to make them fit in the 21st century, mind cadre leader Habby will support this flatpack propaganda from yesteryear and cheer it to the rafters.

            Taking back control and then discarding it for a self serving election, when you well know that voters had more than enough of this fast cheating unfair and disproportional hubris, surprised nobody has mentioned the trending woman from Bristol Brenda, unless, off course, this is a homogeneous man’s blog full of misogynist pensioners who once worked for x or y Government, the one and only chance they’d ever had.

            And lets not talk of the Irish/Scottish rebellion of 1641, or the Boor wars, a newly united Ireland will make this history, forever.

      • Burt (not bert)

        Lot of people saying this – but if may didn’t get the vote all she had to do was get her party to do a vote of no confidence with a simple majority – it would have looked a bit bad but could have been done very quickly – corbyn couldn’t have stopped it (asnd can you imagine the coverage if he had done this)

      • Stu

        Why didn’t he do it?

        If they had blocked the election today then the Tories would either have put a vote of no confidence in themselves. Or more likely put a bill together to repeal the Fixed Parliament Act all the while screaming about Labour being terrified of an election.

        Corbyn’s reaction was entirely correct.

    • RobG

      The interesting thing I found about today’s full PMQs was that Labour MPs were almost entirely united, for the first time in almost two years. Following Corbyn’s opening questions there was a co-ordinated strike on tory cuts to the education system.

      May & Co are going to get slaughtered on the 8th of June, and they’re so dumb/arrogant that they don’t even realise it.

      • JOML

        That would be great, RobG. The press have slaughtered Corbyn since he became Labour leader, so perhaps the electorate will now be immune to the spin and see the Tories for what they really are – and marginalise the Red Tories within Labour, when Corbyn is a vote winner. Corbyn has few friends in Scottish Labour but the electorate have already weeded out the Red Tories here.

        • RobG

          JOML, I know a lot of people who work in both the NHS and the education system. None of these people will vote tory.

          Going on memory, the three biggest employers in the world are, firstly the Chinese Army, secondly Indian railways, and thirdly the British health service.

          If the tories win the forthcoming general election I will eat my hat (and will no doubt say that the election has been rigged).

          This is a political calculation that Theresa May has got completely wrong.

    • giyane

      RoS

      I listened to John MacDonald on this morning’s Today programme – what a voice of common-sense and clarity compared to that buffoon Boris. Labour have all the ammunition in the world against the inscumbents in power. All they have to do now is work hard and deliver their cannon-balls at the enemy with relish.
      Allahu Akbar! The conniving Tories, eating their own vomit of Islamic Terror, will lose power forever. Inshallah

  • RobG

    With major local elections, and a by-election in Gorton, on 4th May, and now a general election on 8th June, I’ve never seen anything like it.

    As GG explains, whoever wins the Gorton by-election will have to stand again for election four weeks later (low sound quality but a short clip that’s worth a listen)…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GRz8je-dn0

  • fwl

    Is that the Today programme? Not as I had immagined it. Where is the walnut table, the sideboard, the teapot and bookcase?

    • giyane

      Walnut – May’s brain; tea-pot – Mad Hatter – Nick Robinson; side-board, wide range of cheesy comments from Justin Webb; book-case must be German for Berger-Kuens, which has nothing to do with donut-rings.

  • Brianfujisan

    So This –

    ITV confirmed it would hold a televised leaders debate, as it did at the last two general elections, while the BBC said it would refuse to let the government stop it producing a programme in the public interest.

    in the public interest….in the public interest….in the public interest. Aye, Right. Perhaps in the public interest. we could get some truths Eh. Syria, NK, Ukraine, Nukes Ect

  • Ben

    Is Craig deluded, or pathologically stubborn?

    Can’t an issue in the UK be related to other important occurrences in this Wide World?

    Apparently, I digress again.

  • RobG

    Here’s a thought experiment:

    If Mélenchon becomes President of France, and Corbyn becomes the prime minister of the UK, what are all the psychos and loons going to do?

  • cynicus

    I hope the vacant chair isn’t for bull-riding Babe Ruth – described an hour ago on Newsnight as a “big beast.”

  • M. Velein

    Please in the future explain your exhibits more fully for the general audience. Does the photo show the BBC’s crisis hotline for Jimmy Savile sodomy victims?

      • Zebedee

        Oh yes and as it says here:

        https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2014/12/30/the-strange-case-of-craig-murray/

        “He’s got a big mouth, self-opinionated, a sulker. [sic] Meaning, he has empirical evidence for his views, is prepared to voice protest, and shows annoyance if rebuffed. The accusation is one usually made by somebody opinionated.”

        As observed today when Craig says:

        https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/04/the-cottonwool-election/

        “When I assure you of things, you should believe me. I do not use such language unless based on direct knowledge. Please revisit that entire article: I promise you it is worth reading.”

        P.S. Craig, when requesting something it is considered good manners to end with a question mark.

        • Zebedee

          Oh yes Craig, fancy answering some real questions? You and I are about the same age (You’re a year older to be exact) so why did you voluntarily join the FCO when, by the age of 13, I had decided there was no way I was going to do nuclear physics because that would involve me making WMDs for our imperial government?

          Is it because you were too thick to see that we have an imperialist government?

          I can only conclude the answer to that to be “Yes!”

          • glenn_uk

            Society exists, and the world exists. The FCO must exist, for our government to function in it.

            There’s more to nuclear physics than making bombs – what about the medical applications, and generating electricity? That’s on-going and decent, conscientious people are needed to make it work properly.

            I hope you see the analogy you presented works both ways.

          • Deepgreenpuddock

            Very harsh, very self regarding comment. What 13 year old is a fully realised moral being? Oh yes-how about the Guru Maharaj, of the erstwhile ‘Divine Light’, who is now in his dotage and wanders around somewhere in California.
            I would put it to you that the reason you did not become a nuclear scientist is that you couldn’t do the maths. That isn’t an insult,btw. It applies to 99.99% (or thereabouts) of the population.
            I did maths to 2nd yr uni level btw-and I realised that I was bumping into my ceiling (forcefully) all through that year. It was a relief to bow out with dignity distinctly frayed, if mostly intact.

          • Ba'al Zevul

            DGP – I deeply sympathise. It was the cosine formula which did for me, much earlier in the process. (Well done on getting beyond A level). Your comment has reawakened my interest in working out why it is that maths appears to be so effortless for some, and such a roadblock for others of similar apparent ability.

          • nevermind

            Thanks for your personal Daily Wail assessment and splurge here, you sound like Zebedee’s doggydo when wallowing in moral self aggrandisement for not becoming a nuclear scientist.

            What, if you are actually Scottish, have you got to say for a positive development of Scotland here?

            Just coming to bitch and bumble? fear not space will be given to all here, we adopted cyber stalkers and mediocre misogynists such as Habby, there’s plenty of space for your wee little ‘splurgy’ here, you never know, Fred and Anon1 might even adopt you.

        • John Spencer-Davis

          “P.S. Craig, when requesting something it is considered good manners to end with a question mark.”

          Craig’s sentence is phrased in a perfectly acceptable manner. You are determined to find fault, no matter how petty and ridiculous your nitpicking, aren’t you?

      • John Spencer-Davis

        Your question implies that because Craig fell for a fully adult young woman, he does not care about victims of paedophilia. That is a disgusting and shameful thing to imply.

    • M. Velein

      Aha, Zebedee, I take it you’re the bald fellow in the photo. Everyone seems to be shifting uncomfortably about on their buttocks.

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