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  • #75079 Reply
    Anndra

    Craig has often referenced Bill Binney, an important NSA whistleblower these past twenty years, in his blogging on the Trump election and on the fallout from Russiagate. He’s made particular reference to him in regards to the claims that the DNC leak could not have been a hack. I never doubted Binney’s credentials or credibility until earlier today when I came across a video of him (https://mobile.twitter.com/Bill_Binney/status/1407188653160415233) talking about being microchipped by surgeons and announcing his marriage to a woman who thinks she’s being stalked by MI5 and is being shot at by them with electric particles. She has posted videos on the same youtube channel from her tinfoil bunker describing attacks.

    This is going way too far for me. Anyone have a clue what the hell is going on with Binney?

    #75092 Reply
    Dawg

    I share your concerns, Anndra. From what I’ve seen of Bill Binney, an NSA whistleblower who was formerly Director of the World Geopolitical and Military Analysis Reporting Group, he seemed knowledgeable and entirely reasonable. His gentle manner is evident in that video. But it’s quite disturbing nonetheless.

    He starts by announcing his marriage to an attractive woman over 30 years his junior. Lucky him! And she’s quite well known too! It’s Dr Katherine Horton of Stop007 and the Joint Investigation Team. Bill and Katherine describe how they’re both continually affected by chronic pain (Bill is a double leg amputee), which they attribute to undetectable microchip implants activated by directed energy weapons embedded in all their neighbours’ homes, in passing cars and in drones above them.

    Horton was a particle physicist at Oxford University (a fellow of St John’s College, no less) seconded to CERN. She started to suspect that she was being followed as an undergraduate, and later deduced that she is the subject of a sophisticated zersetzen progamme using experimental remote torture techniques. She’s now the world’s most highly qualified tin-foil hatter … literally.

    There’s a revealing video of her lying in a bunker shielding her head under an aluminium foil hat to protect against the mind-controlling microwave pulses being directed at her brain by high-energy electromagnetic machine guns.

    The blurb on her “Stop007” website ticks most of the other conspiracy theory tropes: CIA/MI5/MI6 covert operations; medical conspiracies; public spies everywhere; 5G global population control; chemtrails; New World Order; satanic imagery; Nazi depopulation programmes, and so on. When she tried to take MI5 to court to expose their manipulation, the case was thrown out for being frivolous – which obviously meant the judiciary were in on it too. A stranger once mentioned to her how Princess Diana was also targeted by MI5 – which she immediately construed as a sinister death threat. She also claims she is “raped daily” by remote control. It’s scary stuff.

    Bill Binney seems to be fully signed up to this paranoid lunacy. Sadly I think it heralds the end of his credibility as an authority on whistleblowing.

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    #75107 Reply
    Anndra

    It’s terrifying to have this important and credible whistleblower’s reputation destroyed in such a way.

    As far as I can tell they first came into contact about last year. Maybe isolation during covid propelled some sort of descent for him, or maybe he was like this prior. I did think a few years back that his voice (still very rational and calm) was being marginalised onto more and more wacky websites and groups that lie on the fringes of reality. Even when Craig posted about him last year he had to put up a disclaimer saying he knew nothing of the institute with which he was collaborating but vouched for his views.

    I can’t help feeling that the credibility of his important claims about the DNC leak now lie in tatters. Does anyone know of anyone in the States that could be contacted to check in on him?

    #75110 Reply
    Dawg

    I don’t think there’s any point in trying to get other people to talk Binney out of it. He’s probably beyond rescue – there’s no fool like an old fool, after all. It’s tempting to think Horton might have been used as a honeypot to discredit him (an idea they ridicule in the video), but it was probably more natural than that. Bill would have encountered her while doing the whistleblowing circuit (as she sees herself as a kind of whistleblower), and she would be in awe of his reputation. She had the assets to turn his head (like Paul McCartney falling for Heather Mills – rationality goes out the window) and her marriage had broken down, so both were single and had chronic pain in common – they just needed something to blame it on. It’s obvious who the “bad guys” were going to be. She had an explanation (of sorts) of how it all works, and the old goat crossed over to the greener pasture.

    I wonder what the other VIPS like Ray McGovern think of his choices?

    #75114 Reply
    Anndra

    You’re probably right. What a tragedy, she is clearly away with it. I don’t think he was until recently. But maybe he was and I just overlooked it, or maybe he has just had enough.

    I don’t know what the other members of VIPS have been up to or if they have said anything, they’ve been rather quiet since the Russiagate DNC story as far as I can tell. Don’t think we should rely on Binney’s claims anymore though, not if he’s lost touch with reality.

    Wikileaks will never reveal their source. Murray won’t (and can’t atm) talk about his involvement in the affair. Binney has lost the plot. Who else is there to believe but the official narrative? I’m really struggling with this to be honest.

    #75126 Reply
    Clark

    The two claims Binney made about the DNC e-mail leak are unaffected. One was that the NSA domestic surveillance programme keeps records of all internet data transfers out of the US and would therefore have a record of the DNC material being transferred by Guccifer 2.0 had that occurred, yet has offered no such records as evidence.

    The other is a forensic argument from the filing system timestamps of the DNC cache on the Wikileaks website. The maximum time resolution of 2 seconds indicates a Microsoft FAT filing system, as used on USB memory sticks. Furthermore, the creation times of the variously sized files also indicate a data rate consistent with transfer from a USB stick, far exceeding maximum transatlantic internet data rates available when the leak occurred. Therefore, final transfer to Wikileaks’ computers occurred from a memory stick as Craig claims, rather than a transatlantic internet transfer as claimed in the Russiagate story.

    Even if Binney has gone nuts, those facts remain verifiable.

    #75128 Reply
    Anndra

    Thanks Clark, those points are reassuring.

    I ended up on a wild goose chase recently trying to find more information on where the Russiagate story ends up and found this article by Duncan Campbell, which is quite difficult to digest because the narrative it offers is bizarre. Campbell ends up on a chase after Guccifer 2.0 and the origin of the (dis-)information around him. He also flew Binney over to examine the evidence of the Wikileaks cache documents with him, but after the article was published they still seemed to disagree (see the updates in that article).

    If Binney has since gone off the rails do you know if there has ever been a robust rebuttal to Campbell from others in VIPS or anyone else arguing the DNC leak side? Or has anyone investigated it since?

    Murray has almost always been robust with his references but I’d still much rather know someone else, other than Binney, is still looking at this or is able to refute Campbell’s observations.

    Thanks.

    #75131 Reply
    Clark

    That’s a very long and complicated article, but it makes one point upon which the rest of the argument seems to depend:

    “… The Forensicator report avoided pointing out that the time stamps examined were present only in the special London group of documents, and not in tens of thousands of other DNC files published by WikiLeaks or Guccifer 2.0.”

    That should be quite easy to check by comparing timestamps from the material on the Wikileaks website against the claims endorsed by Binney.

    #75133 Reply
    ET

    If this is what has happened to Bill Binney I am saddened for him. However, in reality, the importance of the DNC leak and russiagate has passed. Not in its factual essence but in its effect. No one cares anymore and the propaganda has done its job. If the CIA/NSA were to state that Bill Binney was correct would it make any difference now? 99% of people wouldn’t even notice. Probably 98% of people didn’t care at the time. It stuns me how little interest people have in these kinds of events and I can’t seem to get people, even my own family, to bother to take an active interest. Propaganda wins because of indifference. It also has a shelf life. Unless it’s actively countered and the argument won at the time of its propagation propaganda wins. Look at Iraqi WMD. This was something the news cycle did take on but it made no difference. The Iraq war happened, none of the people involved in the lies were ever sanctioned in any meaningful way. It is forgotten in the public mindset (in the west, not in Iraq).
    I am perhaps being a little too defeatist here. It does matter that such propaganda can be pointed out to people in an effort to persuade them of the techniques and understand how it unfolds in future propaganda events.

    Damn but these captchas are getting difficult 🙂 I need my glasses to see the things!

    #75134 Reply
    Clark

    I haven’t taken much notice of this because it doesn’t really matter and just adds to the distraction. No one disputes the authenticity of the DNC material, so it really doesn’t matter whether a DNC insider leaked them or Kremlin operatives exfiltrated them – indeed, both could have occurred; either different routes for the various different leaks, or to multiple copies of the same leak. There will be so much intelligence agency misdirection and obfuscation from any number of national and private agencies that it is all too easy to become submerged in the detail and forget about the content of the leaks, eg:

    The Clinton Foundation is very close to certain Gulf Monarchies, accepting money from them despite their known support for jihadism. Hillary Clinton was a a major proponent of the devastation of Libya, to the extent that insiders called it “Hillary’s war”. The DNC conspired with “news” media such that Hillary was told of questions in advance of interviews. The DNC deliberately disadvantaged Bernie Sanders, despite knowing that he was more likely to win against Trump than Hillary Clinton. And Podesta and the Clintons share macabre tastes in art, including some very disturbing and barely legal private performances.

    #75135 Reply
    Anndra

    Yeah it’s complicated and terribly written. But what is he on to exactly?

    That should be quite easy to check by comparing timestamps from the material on the Wikileaks website against the claims endorsed by Binney.

    Do you know how to/have time to do that? Or do you know anyone who has? I would like to see a reply to the Campbell article in essence.

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