Here’s Jim Murphy’s letter to Cameron, complaining that the inquiry’s remit is so narrow (I don’t like giving unnecessary traffic to the Guardian, but I couldn’t find it elsewhere on a quick search):
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/09/liam-fox-jim-murphy-letter
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Craig, is it not the case that Fox and Werritty go back so far that anything Werritty is trying to persuade Fox of, Fox will already be a paid-up subscriber to? Or at least that F and W are sufficiently in cahoots that W is more of a messenger than a persuader. Is it not therefore a money-grubbing wheeze thought up by Fox and Werritty?
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I had rather assumed that the truth was that Fox wanted to profit financially from his position in ways that he could not do directly – a minister can’t demand payment for access, but a middle-man can accept payment for setting up access.
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The people paying for that access, whether to Fox directly or via Werritty, may indeed be getting Fox to act in their interests, but surely rather than W being paid by representatives of far right US and Israeli sources to influence the British defence secretary it’s more likely to be that Werritty and Fox are being paid, though W is probably hanging onto the cash for now, or spending it to their mutual benefit. We already know from the expenses revelations that Fox is dishonest and greedy when it comes to cash.

Craig, welcome back from your coma. I’m so happy to see you opening your eyes.

For some days I have been saying follow the money but I have not meant in any narrow way. This is where the feeble unattributed backer news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15269215 is puzzling, almost set up to be discredited / rescinded at some point.

“That we are being so easily misdirected to a narrow cash question – and that the media have followed that misdirection – is ludicrous.”
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This is done very much on purpose. I mean all this misdirection which media not just followed but to which is involved. As we say in Uzbek language “Raven does not peck other raven’s eyes”. So, Cameron will do everything it takes to support his buddy in arms because they are (Tories in particular) live pretty much in their own closed to others circle.

Excellent work Craig.
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The performance of the BBC over the past few years has been so completely pathetic, that so I won’t hold my breath waiting for the overpaid ‘rotweiler’ journalists to start asking intelligent questions about the Werrity case.
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Move along now folks, nothing to see here. But look over there! An Iranian used-car salesman in cahoots with Mexican drug cartels almost brought down Western civilization! Jesus christ, if we start distracting the Minister of Defence with these trivial questions, Iranian extremists will blow up your kids school before you know it.
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I predict a UK ‘terror alert’ within a few days, with a high profile arrest of some young Muslim men.

Well done Craig – the ‘gay’ slurs are yet another false trail for what is left of the ‘press’ to go chasing after – with seasoned journos being paid off daily, the British press is reduced to kids who know how to rewrite a press release but little else. Society is becoming very controlled indeed.

The chief ‘backer’ is said to be Michael Hintze. Not secret now judging from the web.
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From the BBC link above ‘Bypassing the rules’ – The BBC’s Nick Robinson says the wealthy backers who paid Mr Werritty an annual retainer did so because they saw him as someone who, unlike civil servants, could be relied on to champion support for Eurosceptic, pro-American and pro-Israeli policies.’
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The very mention of Israel will bring back the trolls here whose job is to divert the conversation, distract and make the odd smear even against Craig. Dissident Voice, the American website, used to have a very good comments section under each article. The trolling became so excessive that, eventually, comments were disabled. Thus free speech in one small sector was closed off. The monthly selection of articles there is still worth reading however.
http://dissidentvoice.org/archives/

In that case, it’s very careless of Fox to be so OTT about his relationship with Werritty – he could have carried messages to and fro without attracting so much attention – business cards and fake titles and holidays and so on. I imagine they enjoy each others’ company too much. Which leads to the question, if Werritty is unknowing, is Fox?
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Presumably they do a bit of straightforward cash-for-access too – ie Dubai – or is that part of the same thing?
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So O’Donnell will announce that Werritty received no specific money for specific meetings with or introductions to Fox.
Hm. Can they really announce that and overlook the fact that he may be receiving a retainer for general services, including as much access as is required? That’s pretty transparent.

That is very interesting, and significant. The fact that he, W., might be acting as an agent of influence for an ally does not make the situation any less serious.

Excellent sleuthing Craig, thank you. Does this mean Gus would do anything for whoever is in power? even if his actions are putting the defense of the realm into question?
The impartiality of the civil and public service is serverely hampered when ‘cuts’ are looming in every department, it tends to slew minds away from rules and regs and one might like to please a minister and his dangerous toy boy.

When Gunther Guilleaume was found to be a Stasi agent whilst working as the German chancellors private secretary for years, the BND was set back and had to look at everything that went over the Chancellors table, as every bit of defense information the chancellor/PM was privvy to ended up in Moscow.

What were Mr. Werrity’s comments to Liam when the Turkish PM expelled the Israely ambassador, what was his ‘advise’?

Those who call us conspiracy peddlars should prove that the opposite is true, Mary, the interference from paid cyber-trolls won’t rattle our cage for long.

DLJ,
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Allies usually do not use suspicious third person when working out strategies and cooperate with each other. Why allies need some third person when trying to persuade Secretary of Defence on something? Why cannot they just use normal way of communication such ad direct contacts between ministries if they are allies that value each other?

JFK at the time of his assasination was trying to get inspectors into Israel’s nuclear power station and get the israel lobby to register as foreign agents, after his death Israeli nuclear weapons went ahead and the Israeli lobby did not have to register as foreign agents, Registering as foreign agents would mean they could no longer buy US politician and influence USA. The man who financed the oliver stones JFK film is an Israeli arms dealer.

Werrity was there to make sure their ‘investment’ kept his end of the bargain.

It is difficult to know whether that was a purely financial proposition, or more likely a political one (The Libyan campaign comes to mind).

It basically suggests that the people running L.Fox need insurance to make sure he didn’t go off the reservation. That they didn’t trust him.

This affair could (and should IMHO) – bring down the government.

Nice one, Craig. I’ve been posting for days saying this is hot air and bollocks, but maybe it isn’t…very happy to be proved wrong.
What we see again here is just how badly the West needs a credible, joint effort online from a collection of folks who (while they may have widely varying politics) believe in, and agree about, some key things:
1. The rule of law and equality before the law is sacrosanct
2. Media ownership rules need to be radically reformed
3. Liberty-bending must be sought out and shown up

Jack P resigned, rebuilt his life based on social service, and was probably guilty of nothing more than shagging a very pretty girl. But he lied to the Commons, and paid the price. Rather than accepting changed standards, we should reinstate the original ones.
Keep it up
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SCANDAL
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Very entertaining. Thank you C. ‘Johnny English’ Murray or, perhaps, C ‘Braveheart’ Murray ??? –
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So Zionist Nazis and/or the US Neo-Con Nazis might be running the UK Defence secretary Liam Fox as a (paid?) agent, via Werrity.
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And this is worse than their running ‘Our Tony’ – Bliar – in exactly the same way how exactly???
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It just proves that the UK is the Empire’s @#$@#$ – rhymes with ‘hitch’. No change there, then! –
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- Robin Ramsay at UK Lobster provides chapter and verse that the UK has been in the US’s pocket since Suez. See ‘Who were they traveling with?’ by Tom Easton, from Lobster #31 –
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- http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/articles/l31whowh.htm
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Ramsay further reports that these Atlantic Bridge false-front foundations are US trolling bait for UK traitors, Oops, our bad, ‘Up and coming UK politicians.’ –
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- ‘Unperson – A life destroyed’ – Denis Lehane – page 209, issue 59 –
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“This is not Dennis Lehane the American crime writer of that name. This is Denis (one ‘n’) Lehane, the co-author with Martin Dillon of of the 1973 Penguin Special Political Murder in Northern Ireland. Lehane was a journalist and this book is his account of what befell him when he declined to be recruited by the CIA. Although mostly an account of how a life can turn to shit if the spooks start playing with it, this is of significance because of the names that Lehane names.
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“Lehane was awarded a Harkness Fellowship to go and study in the USA and discovered that the Harkness scheme is a front for an intelligence recruitment operation. Bright young things (though not so young in Lehane’s case) go the States where the CIA can give them a look over and recruit the best. When Lehane declined to be recruited he became a man – worse, a journalist – who knew something he shouldn’t and the Agency and its various allies in the US and here set about discrediting him. Lehane attempted for almost 20 years to get
his version of reality taken seriously by a thick slice of great and the good in UK public life, without success. When it comes to it most people put career and reputation ahead of something as relatively trifling as the truth.”
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“This is an important addition to the collection of stories of innocent individuals who are trashed by the state simply to save it from embarrassment. (CF Malcolm Kennedy’s story in this issue.)” – Robin Ramsay
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Blair, Brown, Mandelson (cited in another issue) and others all took the freebie trips, but did they also take the US shilling? – Issue #60, page 90 -
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- http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/issue60.php
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- Robin Ramsay – UK Lobster – lifting the rug on UK sleaze for thirty years –
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- http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/index.php
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The pictures – Working girl –
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- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046929/Liam-Fox-allegations-Defence-minister-pressure-Adam-Werrittys-job.html
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Neo-Con Nazi tart – Scandal (1989) – ‘Downfall’ – previously ; ) –
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- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwwC4Wlpvxo#t=73m38s
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(ER, shome mishtake shurely? Ed.)
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Oops, our bad! ER, Christine Keeler – played by Joanna Whaley – much better looking than Werrity- “Phew. What a scorcher!” etc ; ) –
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Because there are some things that professional girls just won’t do, but not, apparently, the male variety.
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Our Craig gets an honorable mention on page 87 of Lobster # 58 ‘The meaning of subservience to America’ –
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- http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/issue58.php

Quelcrime Murphy is a hypocrite and should shut up. He is bad as the rest and is a staunch member of Labour Friends of Israel. His most recent entries in the Register of Interests. Note the purpose of his visit to Israel. Like Straw he was President of the NUS. Perhaps that is when they got him on board
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6. Overseas visits
Name of donor: Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre (BiCom)
Address of donor: 32-36 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 8QX
Amount of donation: return flights, transfers and some hospitality for myself and a staff member. Total estimated value: £3,234.
Destination of visit: Tel Aviv, Israel
Date of visit: 6-9 June 2011.
Purpose of visit: fact finding in my capacity as Shadow Secretary of State for Defence as part of the defence policy review, and to meet both Israeli and Palestinian politicians.
(Registered 28 June 2011)
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Name of donor:
1)MBDA (global missile systems company)
2)Graham Cole
Address of donor:
1)Six Hills Way, Stevenage, Hertfordshire SG1 2DA
2)private
Amount of donation (or estimate of the probable value):
1)transport and some hospitality for me and a staff member; total estimated value £991
2)cost of hotel for me and a staff member; total estimated value £660
Destination of visit: Paris
Date of visit: 20-21 June 2011 for myself; 19-21 June for staff member
Purpose of visit: in my capacity as Shadow Secretary of State for Defence for a fact finding visit to the Paris Air Show as part of the defence policy review
(Registered 19 July 2011)
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Name of donor: Cellcrypt (smartphone encryption company based in the UK)
Address of donor: 13-15 Carteret St, London SW1H 9DJ
Amount of donation (or estimate of the probable value): flights, hotel accommodation and some hospitality for myself and a staff member, at a total cost of £3,484
Destination of visit: Washington DC
Date of visit: 18-21 July 2011
Purpose of visit: Factfinding visit as Shadow Defence Secretary as part of the Labour Party defence policy review and to meet US politicians.
(Registered 12 August 2011 )
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8. Land and Property
Flat in London, from which rental income is received.

I wasn’t posting the link to Murphy’s letter as any sort of endorsement of the man, just to make the point that there are high-level calls for the inquiry to be widened, which is obviously a good thing and provides a platform for further efforts when the narrow inquiry comes out with its whitewash.

Craig, I love the way you now introduces the delicious Christine Keeler for bizarre comparison to the repellent Werrity. Made my day, and it’s only 11.55!

Very much worth waiting for, thanks Craig. Let us hope this goes ballistic. The MSM, especially the BBC are now totally discredited and deservedly so. Waste of space. Even “The Slog” who appeared as an apologist for Israeli crimes seems to be coming to his senses a bit. Get this out to the London branch of the Wall Street protesters and let the revolution begin. I am a mid 60′s professional, ex middle of the road, Thatcher fan at the time, who is now so disillusioned that I would happily give up my lifetime savings and carefully accumulated super to see a real revolution occur. Vive la revolution!

Quelcrime. Sorry if that came across the wrong way. I did not intend to infer you supported Murphy.
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Yet another BICOM link is revealed.
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‘Electoral Commission records show Lewis, who is deputy chairman of the Israeli lobby group Bicom, donated £5,000 to Fox’s leadership campaign on 27 July 2005.’
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/13/donor-liam-fox-flights-washington
Liam Fox took five MPs to Washington with donor’s money
Michael Lewis, who donated almost £14,000 to Fox’s Atlantic Bridge charity, paid for newly elected Tory MPs’ flights in 2005

P.S. If Werrity turns out to be an agent of influence, then might not the pair of them be running in tandem?

When he was Shadow Defence Secretary, the Conservative Friends of Israel website quoted Fox as saying: “We must remember that in the battle for the values that we stand for, for democracy against theocracy, for democratic liberal values against repression – Israel’s enemies are our enemies and this is a battle in which we all stand together or we will all fall divided.”

Nobody spouts such bollox as a British politician unless their brain has been completely mashed and warped by the likes of Mossad or the CIA.

Anyone who doubts Craig’s account has only to watch events develop – I would bet good money exactly as Craig indicates.

Fox is a Reagan/Thatcherite rightwinger. DEMONSTRABLE FACT.
Fox set up Atlantic Bridge, under the aegis of ALEC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council ) to liase with US rightwing interests. Both it and its US equivalent are political, not charitable, operations. FACT.

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2010/04/liam-foxs-atlantic-bridge-referred-to-us-tax-authorities-by-charity-commission/

Atlantic Bridge (also CFOI, of which 80 – that’s eighty -percent of Tory MP’s are members. and Cameron himself) have been funded by BICOM and/or Zabludowicz. These represent the interests of a foreign government which is NOT even nominally an ally of ours, and which is in continuous breach of international law. FACT.

I don’t think Werrity’s more than a pawn in this, just a useful idiot for the interests involved in ALEC (including the Koch brothers, for instance) and over a wider field of US and Israeli neoliberal influence. And the money trail is probably well concealed. It may well be that Fox will be collecting no kickbacks at all until he leaves office and steps into a sinecure or two at an Israeli or US arms manufacturer. Werrity was subsidised by benevolent business men who merely happen to have contacts in BICOM – that’s how AIPAC works, too.

But the root of the problem is the extent of foreign subversion of British policy, and not just defence policy. Against our real interests. Actual treason by our ministers.

Reading through comments I can’t help thinking we/you are missing the point? Fox has totally compromised his position, paid lip service to the Ministerial code, shamed his rank and authority in the eyes of the public by his reckless behaviour and mistaken judgement AND has let down the very troops and their families he is suppose to represent by giving the media a golden oportunity to stick the boot into the MOD – in my book any Minister who has brought this level of scandal, conjecture and shame to his department should resign immediately! As for Cameron supporting his defence sec at this time?….er…..why? There are many good MP’s in the back benches, some with strong military backgrounds and experience surely with the crop of new MP’s that came through at the last election the PM can find one that is not covered in personal and professional scandal to lead our troops and the Ministry of Defence at this very difficult time?

If Foxy keeps his job, then basically this government could turn into the John Major regime redux. Cack-handed and clod-hopping, dropping clangers with a stacatto frequency!

Nothing new under the Zionist sun.

Mary notes that Murphy has been taking the Israeli shilling (?) too.

“6. Overseas visits
Name of donor: Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre (BiCom)
Address of donor: 32-36 Great Portland Street, London, W1W 8QX
Amount of donation: return flights, transfers and some hospitality for myself and a staff member. Total estimated value: £3,234.
Destination of visit: Tel Aviv, Israel
Date of visit: 6-9 June 2011.
Purpose of visit: fact finding in my capacity as Shadow Secretary of State for Defence as part of the defence policy review, and to meet both Israeli and Palestinian politicians.
(Registered 28 June 2011)”

Worth making the point, I think, that BICOM, like AIPAC in the USA, exists mainly to incentivise politicians uncritically to accept Israel’s idiosyncratic interpretation of international law. The party doesn’t matter.

I like your post Ex Pat – but Craig’s ‘connected’ disclosure is cannot be called ‘entertaining’ in my mind; more worrying and annoying. I ask the question, will Britain end up a Taser touting police state like America and will our children’s schools eventually end up resembling state prisons complete with metal detectors on the single entry, camera’s in every classroom and corridors and bag searches by uniformed security personnel?
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Brits are annoying fearless having endured blanket bombing, doodle-bugs and IRA terror – but can we endure Patriot peddling or another false-flag 7/7? Can we put up with MOSSAD or the CIA infiltrating an admirable matured society?
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The answer is, yes we can – exploitation is NOT a word we tolerate on our journeys.

Beckster He is brass necked. He has just been sitting behind Hague who is rattling through a summary of Middle East affairs including the usual demonization of Syria and Iran, nodding approval. It is reported in the Mail that because it would make him, the Prime Minister, look weak, Cameron will not sack him. In a very long article there are more details of the large amount of donations that have come Fox’s way, including more from those associated with BICOM and their connections.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048569/Liam-Fox-Defence-secretary-appointed-ally-Lt-Col-Graham-Livesey-military-assistant.html
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Liam Fox created high-powered job for a second aide – against the advice of senior military figures
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‘Cameron won’t sack me, he would look weak’, Dr Fox tells friend
Right-wing donors paid the bills for Liam Fox and Adam Werritty to go globetrotting
Mr Werrity faces second round of questions by senior civil servants as Dr Fox insists he’s getting on with the job as usual
Andrew Mitchell and Northern Ireland Minister Owen Paterson touted as potential successors to under-fire Defence Secretary
Allies try to distance Dr Fox from ‘Walter Mitty figure’ Mr Werritty

Somebody needs to investigate who Fox and Werritty met during those ‘off duty’ stopovers that were being tagged onto the official trips.

Sunflower,
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Do you really want to take this serious matter to this vague direction? Be serious, this is pure criminal corruption and those who guilty need to face charges. Taking this matter to Zionist direction you are hijacking true substance, do not you think?

Happy Birthday Mrs T. You removed manufacturing and replaced it with the financial services industry. You removed the Unions and replaced them with privatisation. You removed the freedom of opinion / speech of individual M.P.s and replaced them with lobbyists. And the candle on the cake is the scandal of this defence secretary in which the recession-profiteering, spin-doctoring, Zio-banking, Werrities of this world openly sell our interests in the corridors of power.
This scandal has been a long time coming and was utterly predictable. Please remember that it was Maggie who started it, and whose radical disregard for political conventions is still admired by politicians today.

Emetic. Taken at his 50th birthday party last month.
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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00214/fox-thatcher-962691_214426g.jpg
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NORTH Somerset MP Liam Fox celebrated his 50th birthday in style at Admiralty House in London with family and friends from all walks of life.

Celebrities, politicians, media moguls and people from the constituency mingled in the grace and favour flat. But the “VIP guests of honour” must have been Margaret Thatcher and David Cameron.

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Both Baroness Thatcher and Mr Cameron live close by in Westminster.

And while the trio toured the room one wag was heard to quip, “a past, present and future prime minister”.

Liam had labelled his party “the first 50″ and the invitations to 325 guests said the preferred dress code was “casual”.

The birthday boy and wife Jesme were colour-coded wearing complimentary Tory blue outfits.

Anno,
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Are you suggesting that Britain was better off before Maggie? Was not it ‘sick man of Europe’ for a long while?

A thought for Sheila:
Why do I have to be labelled an ‘apologist’ for Israel? Are you an apologist for a corruptly elected, anti-gay, mysogynist leader of Iran?
There is an underlying assumption in many of these threads, Craig, that Israel trying to influence anything must, ipso facto, be evil.
My concern about this case is whether corruption has occurred, the law is being bent, or any threats to national security have occurred. It’s possible they have: so being neutral (just as with Hackgate)I will slam the shit out of anyone doing it…be that Merdeschlock or Trinity Mirror.
Who the culprits do or don’t support falls into the category of Agenda, and is of no concern to me whatsoever. I am always suspicious of agenda. Most people commenting here are trying to attach an agenda to Werritty based on associations with the US and Israel. One is an ally, neither is an enemy, and neither are rogue States. This must, I would’ve thought, reveal THEIR agenda.
Just thought I’d make my position abundantly clear. I am not left, right or centre, I am for justice.
So, like I said, keep it up Craig.

So does this mean that St Andrews in funkin Fife is a zionist hot bed ?
Seems our Parliament is goin the same way as Congress across the pond… Either friends of , spokesmen for or law changers for Israel.
Have noticed the European stance on the Mid east question is shifting too,so guess their influence is well embedded there as well.
Was it like this before WW I ?
What do non zionists get out of helping Netanyahoo and Lieberman continue with their ethnic cleansing ?

Uzbek
I am suggesting that the political, journalistic and chattering classes admire this sort of behaviour and it will boost Mr Fox’s popularity, not diminish it.
Maggie razed political and personal morality to the ground. I am a man who values honesty and integrity in private and public life over material prosperity. So yes, I am suggesting that the UK is very much worse off after Maggie, and the bubble she made is looking equally shrivelled as the culprit. I hope both the system and its initiators and supporters expire very soon. Good riddance to thirty years of lies and propaganda which has been a total waste of time. It is shame on a wealthy country like ours to have been driven into the ground financially, and left begging to the likes of Israel for permission to move on matters of defence and diplomacy.
Yes, my friend, after this recession and these wars, I am very, very ashamed to be British at this time.

@Uzbek

For many of us outside London & the South East it was immeasurably better. We even had jobs and a society back then (not that the Thatcherites would agree about there being such a thing as society). To Anno’s list I would add “removal of the impartiality of the Civil Service

What do non zionists get out of helping Netanyahoo and Lieberman continue with their ethnic cleansing ?

Campaign funding. The votes of Jewish voters in swing states/constituencies. Freebies to nice hotels in Israel. Contacts with very rich people. And jobs for life after they have been slung out of government.

Simples.

There must be some way of getting Fox and Werritty to answer the important questions surrounding W’s financial funding. Every business, as far as my understanding goes, is subject to scrutiny. But businesses like Blair and Werritty seem to escape this scrutiny. The trouble with inquiries is the conclusion is generally pre-ordained, so in essence they are useless in getting at the truth. But if Werritty has eased the brokerage of foreign deals as illegal “adviser” to Fox then he has broken the law and should face the courts.

AndyB,
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It is hard to view Thatcherism thought black and white prism only. Many things Thatcherism brought have indeed been negative and Anno rightly pointed out to some of those. On the other hand I think it is a bit hypocrisy to ignore many positive things that globalisation brought and particularly to the developing world. Many millions have been lifted out of poverty (particularly in Africa and South East Asia) by opening up markets in the West for their goods and it also forced some of these societies to change their socio-economic policies to attract investments. Look at China, look at India, look at Malaysia and others.
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To what extend do you think it was possible to continue to produce goods that very overvalued just because some in the North wanted to go to their factories and keep themselves employed? World changes and societies should change with it and it is always easier for developed societies to adjust to changes.
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Some 200 years ago some called Luddites raised against changes of time. What do you would have happed if they won? Would we be living in better world?

Craig, you say “The US is an ally. Israel is not, as a simple matter of fact.”
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Is it possible that the US is not really our ally either? They drag us into wars of choice, make us hated around the world and ruin our international reputation, corrupt our representatives from the top down, did nothing to stop the flow of arms and money to IRA terrorists, and conspire with Israel against us. Even now, we have Tim Geitner telling us not to introduce a STET/Tobin speculation tax (to encourage more rampant bankster-driven destruction to our banking system). They drive a wedge between us and Europe, and use us to influence Europe to their advantage. I could go on at some length, but you get the point.
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Indeed, with allies like this…

….if history teaches us anything it is that we learn nothing from history department:

http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/analysis/55941/blair-not-flavour-palestines-week

Blair’s “week” (four days in other accounts) per month costs someone £1.5M a year (£1.8M, £2M). He will shortly be relocating to the disputed centre of East Jerusalem to save maybe 5% of the bill. Allegedly.

Anno,
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Do you suggest that Britain has had different (more moral value based) priorities in foreign policy before Maggie? Was not it main participant in Suez War, was not it supporting various anti-communist regimes around the world? Was not there corruption amongst those with power? Was not Oxbridge closed for anyone whose parents did not attend it before them?

@uzbek
“To what extend do you think it was possible to continue to produce goods that very overvalued just because some in the North wanted to go to their factories and keep themselves employed? World changes and societies should change with it and it is always easier for developed societies to adjust to changes.”
What a load of narrow-minded bogoted clap-trap.

The North wasn’t devastated by the world changing, although that did have an effect. It was devastated, and remains largely depressed due to an ideology that said we don’t need manufacturing we only need service industries. It was a deliberate policy and any dissent to it was brutally repressed by the police. I lived through the eighties in the North of England. You clearly didn’t.

As I work in the IT industry and have to constantly adapt to change I don’t think it fair or reasonable for you to call me a Luddite, but to answer the question you nearly asked: Yes, the world would be a much better place had we not had (and still have) Thatcherism/Reaganomics

To be fair to the BBC and Nick Robinson in particular, I don’t think he has bought the spin.

Pretty sure he reported last night on the 10 o’clock news that Cameron promised someone – suggestion was that it was one of Werritty’s patrons – that Fox would not be resigning. Basically he is signalling that there is a cover-up underway, which is exactly what you are corroborating.

Craig disclosure ties in nicely with the story of another ‘special advisor’ – that of Luke Coffey, the ex CIA agent with an MOD pass but no security clearance according to an ex Navy friend in the MOD. He has complained that the American Coffey has convinced Fox to buy American arms including torpedoes (Spearfish is dead and the 7511 as I knew it was deemed ineffective) despite costly spares, maintenance and loss of British jobs.
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Luke Coffey runs the London branch of an American think tank called CENSA (Council for Emerging National Security Affairs).
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http://www.censa.net/membership-directory-c.asp
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Jeff Benson, former US Office of Naval Intelligence and known to my contact, is a member of CENSA.
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I am wondering now how many more American think-tanks are directly UK Defence policies.

AndyB,
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Do not get me wrong. I was not calling you a Luddite. I was just using this historical fact as an example that sometimes society or part of society that feels perfectly normal with what they have (or with what they have achieved) rejects changes that are dictated by time even those changes that as proved by history to be more beneficial to a wider society if not whole humankind. Moving industries abroad resulted to lower prices on produced goods and also profited those societies that have been surviving on less than 50 pennies a day. Of course there are still millions of those who still survives on less than 50 pennies a day BUT if those societies did not have industries that have been moved from the North of England and elsewhere in the West they have been much worse off, have not they?
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Of course the policy that relies to financial services only is damaging and we are now experiencing damage as a result of such policy. My point here is that one cannot only highlight negative effects of Thatcherism without even mentioning some positive effects of it. This is particularly hypocrisy for one who does not want to be called narrow-minded bigot.

Liam Fox and Security Features Limited
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Within a year of Liam Fox’s move to the Tory shadow defence portfolio in late 2005, Mr Werritty was made a director of a company known as ‘Security Futures Ltd’ and used Fox’s London address as his point of contact.

It styled itself as “fuelling and informing” the debate on Britain’s future security needs, with Mr Werritty listed as a consultant.

Among those with a stake in the company was Iain Stewart and Laura Sandys, who both became Tory MPs at the last election.
Neither have been available for comment. Another director was Oliver Hylton, an aide to Michael Hintze, a hedge fund entrepreneur and Tory donor another ‘close friend’ of Fox.

The company was recently dissolved. I wonder why?

Mark_golding and Mary, I must thank you for your vigilance. You are both amazing in the facts and links that you provide. Please keep it up. Uzbek: get real. I am a Cambridge PhD and my parents certainly had no connections whatsoever. Please don’t discredit the dialogue with nonsense.

An illustration of the effect of globalisation not recognised by Uzbek in the UK. There are said to 1 million Chinese workers living underground in Beijing. They have left their rural lives to work as slaves in the factories dying of industrial diseases and overworking. Another effect of this migration is that food production is reduced this forcing up world prices for commodities. A better world for us all? Defintely not. For the rich? Yes. They have become richer.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/china-business/8291626/Underground-world-hints-at-Chinas-coming-crisis.html
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“Many millions have been lifted out of poverty (particularly in Africa and South East Asia) by opening up markets in the West for their goods and it also forced some of these societies to change their socio-economic policies to attract investments. Look at China, look at India, look at Malaysia and others.”

And many millions more have been plunged into poverty, as capitalism has dispossessed them, driven them from their land,and forced them to emigrate in search of wage labour.

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“Some 200 years ago some called Luddites raised against changes of time. What do you would have happed if they won? Would we be living in better world?”

Had the Luddites won would be living in a better world? Very much so: far from being opposed to machinery the Luddites, who were the people who had developed, adapted and tested the labour saving devices, were opposed to the distribution of enhanced productivity. They called not for more and harder labour but for an equitable distribution of both wealth and leisure.

The Luddism meme, like the “sick man of Europe” is highly misleading: in both cases the argument for socialising the economy, sharing the wealth and control over the means of production were being made. Historians have, of course, been seduced by the wonders of capitalism into characterising all opposition as reactionary and impractical; curiously enough they did not take the same view of Stalin’s Collectivisation (the relatively benign equivalent of enclosure) though they do of the mass dispossession of Latin American, Asian and African peasants as subsistence holdings are rolled up into capitalist plantations and food production gives way to biofuel and….come to think of it where did all that cotton land in Uzbekhistan come from? And what used to grow there before?

Anyway: leave the Luddites alone. They were right, and had we followed their more humane, socially protectionist path the world would be a better place and millions of those whose lives were shattered in the Victorian slums might have had better, more productive, less bleak lives.

Sheila,
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Do you now suggest that Oxbridge is not the place for rich chavs that have been famous with producing heads of states worldwide and top civil servants? Why are there only 3 Black- Caribbean students at Oxford this year (if I am not mistaken)?

Mary,
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You are getting me wrong here too. Globalisation has had and is still having negative effect as well as Thatcherism and any other changes to societies that have happened in the last 5 thousand years. There are in fact slave labourers in China, Bangladesh, and certainly in my native Uzbekistan but this is more problem for those particular societies to sort out their law enforcement and government system than becoming the reason to finish globalisation and return to the world with barriers and high custom taxes. As for commodity prices going up, this is a result of societies development OR do you suggest that peasants in China should work day and night and sell their goods for nothing, of course they rather move to the cities and find better source or income OR will you blame them for it?

The demise of ‘Atlantic Bridge’ is an insight into the Conservative’s secret agenda to KILL our NHS – THAT beyond all reasonable doubt.
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Congressman John Campbell, who sat on the ‘Atlantic Bridge’ advisory board, wrote: “Britain’s socialised medicine system is enormously inefficient, wasteful, and costly.”
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– This did not help Obama’s healthcare reform plans. The secret message to America from Agent Cameron in response was that Britain’s NHS will be privatised ‘in critical areas’ to ensure its survival in a time of economic failure. So much for this bastards election promise to protect the NHS as ‘free at the point of use’. Indeed our NHS in Tory hands will end up like the dentists – an utter shambles and expensive too boot without the ‘required’ insurance.
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The accounts OF ‘Atlantic Bridge’ also show that £104,000 – or 58% of the charities voluntary income – had come from one source: the Michael Hintze Family Foundation – the hedge fund entrepreneur and Goldman Sachs banker behind Fox’s company, ‘Security Futures Ltd. Money flowed between the two companies.
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So much for Nick Clegg and his Lib Dems for their influence over a Tory Party bent on destroying our social and health systems.
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I say – OUT! OUT! OUT!

Uzbek
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If the figure is correct, it’s only meaningful (as a criticism of admission policies) if we know how many Black-Caribbean students applied for admission. Do you have that figure?
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I am a Cambridge graduate, and was involved in the CUSU Access campaign. There is something similar at Oxford.
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http://www.cusu.cam.ac.uk/campaigns/access/

Uzbek. I have no idea in response to your question. Maybe it is drugs or reggie, a failure in school education or whatever. But as a graduate who attended Cambridge and stayed on as a post-doc at Cambridge for a while – pre-Maggie – I repeat that I never saw an incidence of bias against excellence, wherever the person came from, or whatever their background. So, I repeat, please do not promulgate nonsense about Oxbridge.

Uzbek:
Whatever the UK, France and Israel (co-opted through some devious diplomacy. and rather against its own interests) were doing in Suez, it was (a) under a Tory government and (b) opposed, and eventually stopped, by the US. I don’t see any lessons for the present situation, in which the Tories, at least, have done a complete volte-face on the Middle East and appear to be the humble servants of US policy. Which is to bribe Egypt, Jordan, Saudi and the rest not to have another go at Israel.

Seen in a shop window:
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“Nice to get some details of what O’Donnells life peerage was awarded for, when he selects his title can I suggest he goes for Lord O’Donnell of Whyte-Lyme.”

Sheila,
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I am not stating that at Oxbridge students who are from rich background get better marks, but what I am stating is that those whose parents graduated from Oxbridge are 100 times more likely to get place there than those who attended school in Tower Hamlet (also people with the same red blood in their veins). And that those rich chavs will feel themselves more comfortable there making right connections that will help them to boost their carrier.
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And also do you have anything to say about this article http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/dec/06/oxford-colleges-no-black-students

Uzbek

Did you even read that article?

Over the five years to 2009 entry black students accounted for 1.5% of admissions to Cambridge, compared with 1.2% of degree applicants nationally who secure AAA at A-level.

Your point is pure bullshit.

Aaron,
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Now, out of these 1.2% of degree applications who secured AAA levels how many are from ‘correct’ socio-economic background? Do you have this data? Then you are correct by stating that my point is bullshit.

What is a correct socio-economic background? For what it’s worth I was living in Tower Hamlets when I applied to Cambridge.
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I’ll leave this now, it’s off topic.

Komodo,
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Are you following my points and arguments from the start? Anno was putting blame for every sins of humankind on Thatcherism (I think that he only left out plague). I was stating that although Thatcherism caused a lot of social problems in the UK it has not been all bad. There have been some aspects of it that have benefited some societies and to a certain extend in the UK.
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Now, I think it is irrelevant which government was in power when UK was involved in Suez War what is relevant is that it was before Thatcher hence it was not only after Thatcher ‘messed up’ UK government was fighting immoral wars.
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Palestinians have been trying to sort out their statehood since 1950th and UK as permanent member of the UN Security Council did nothing to bring some justice to it. And there have been many non-Tory governments since 1950th and certainly before Thatcher ‘messed up’ British politics.

When are we going to rise together as one and chuck out the whole shooting match?
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Commons Speaker John Bercow has pushed through a ‘disgraceful’ £9 million increase in Parliament’s budget despite auditors refusing to sign off last year’s accounts.
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Figures buried in the annual accounts of the House of Commons reveal it will receive a four per cent increase in its budget this year – from £219 million to £228 million.
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The move emerged as the National Audit Office (NAO) refused to sign off Parliament’s accounts for the second year running because of continuing concerns about MPs’ expenses.
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The spending watchdog said it could not approve the accounts because the Commons authorities had refused to hand over details of expenses claimed by MPs who were being investigated by the police for fraud. Auditor General Amyas Morse described the refusal as ‘disappointing’
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And from an item about Sir Gus O’Donnell being given a peerage by Cameron -
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Following the news that Sir Gus O’Donnell is to retire as head of the civil service at the end of the year, David Cameron will be nominating him for a life peerage. This takes the number of sitting peers to 790.
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Cameron alone has created nearly 120 since becoming PM. Shouldn’t there now be a mechanism whereby the number can be whittled down?

Aaron,
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Have you met many more like you at Cambridge? How many out of these 1.2% of lucky ones came from Tower Hamlet or similar ‘prosper’ boroughs?
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You are right it is off topic and apologies to Mr Murray for this.

Mary: Figures buried in the annual accounts of the House of Commons reveal it will receive a four per cent increase in its budget this year

Far cheaper just to close the place down. Sell the tourist operating licence to a multinational theme park operator.

Install the vindicated Liam Fox as our great leader and follow the policies whispered into his ear by Werritty (or his replacement now that his cover is broken).

A new age of prosperity will dawn!

A new ministry will write these comments!

Uzbek. My last comment on this matter. I read the article that you linked and, somehow, I am not surprised. I am from Scotland originally and when my parents attended my PhD graduation at a Cambridge college one of the resident academics was wittering on about black emancipation. My father commented: “not many blacks here I notice” (there were none) but was ignored. So I think that the average Cambridge academic is well-meaning, but blind. As to your comment that connections mean anything, I doubt it very much (except in a few cases). Your un-cited statistic about children of parents from Oxbridge vs Tower Hamlet having 100x chance of getting a place at Oxbridge, if true, is not that surprising. Most Oxbridge graduates value education and push their kids to succeed at school,and do everything in their power to help; I doubt that is universally the case at Tower Hamlet. So do not blame University admissions that seek only to accept the best and brightest students. And I do not see reverse discriminatory policies as the answer: you only have to look at certain “Universities” in the USA to see where that leads. Truly, I don’t know the answer, but it is simply not whining about imagined discrimination.

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My posts are being moderated despite no links – answers please.

The Demise of ‘Atlantic Bridge’ and the future of the Britain’s Health & Social Systems. A Heads-Up.
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In 2009 US Congressman John Campbell sat on Dr Fox’s ‘Atlantic Bridge’ advisory panel and became embroiled in a bitter row over how the NHS was being presented to the American public in the fierce debate on Obama’s healthcare reform plans.
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Despite assurances from Agent Cameron that his party was ‘bringing radical changes’ that would privatise lucrative parts of the NHS, Congressman Campbell concluded that “Britain’s socialised medicine system is enormously inefficient and wasteful.
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Seems to me that under the Tory party leadership our systems will end up like the dentists surgery, despite increased National Insurance payments – pay-up or suffer…

Sheila,
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I certainly appreciate your time and efforts and even more your arguments.
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It is of course universal true that those parents who attended universities (any university and not only Oxbridge) will do their best to put their children to university (my own family is good example of it). It is also true that those parents who has financial ability will pay for their children education in private schools WHERE their children will certainly get better education and will have more chance of achieving desired AAA levels that are as air needed to get place at Oxbridge (on the other hand one might seriously doubt that Boris Johnson has achieved AAA levels).
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And simple fact with Oxbridge is that (and it has been for centuries) their selectiveness leaves out some smart but ‘unlucky by birth’ children and denies them places. One can certainly justify this and be perfectly right and one can blame Oxbridge for their over selectiveness.
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Michail Lomonosov, Russian scientist and founder of first Russian University can be one of examples of how denying hunger for knowledge can be obstacle to a progress.

Sorry Mark, us mods don’t know why this happens; we have Moderator’s privileges, not Admin, and the software is cranky. I saw your message that your comments weren’t getting through, and logged into the moderator’s pages – I see I have some sorting out to do. There is also some spam to clear.

Craig gets some mentions in this piece by the MediaLens editors.
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Targeting Syria – The ‘Bad News’ For The Guardian

Afghanistan and Iraq may still be in flames. A bloodbath may continue to flow from Nato’s ‘humanitarian intervention’ in Libya. No matter, mainstream journalists are appalled that a double Russian and Chinese veto at the UN has thwarted Western efforts to do more good in Syria. The two powers rejected the latest draft of a UN Security Council resolution condemning the Syrian government and preparing the way for international sanctions.
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http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=648:targeting-syria-the-bad-news-for-the-guardian&catid=24:alerts-2011&Itemid=9

I lost a post earlier, too. Not monumentally important, but it would be nice to see it!
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[Mod: it should be visible now.
Mark Golding, I've deleted some duplicates of your comments.
Apologies to all.]

Much mention of deficiencies in the care of the elderly by the corporate media today on the day following another stage in the privatisation of our NHS, but naturally little mention of this.
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Sharp rise in NHS patients waiting more than 18 weeks
Nearly 30,000 had to wait for treatment for longer than NHS target in August, a rise of 48% on previous year.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/oct/13/nhs-waiting-times-rise-cuts

Mark,
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Why should Tory care about NHS? They have enough money to attend private GPs and hospitals.
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As for rest of us, did we really need Tory government?

Rule of jungle will one day prevail and we will all turn back to animals.

Dont know what to make of this. Not that I mistrust Craig or his sources, but the deflection of mainstream media from their duty is just too predictable, too grim to bear. Noone seems to want to touch the whole sorry world of dodgy charities either. Labour/Lib Dems don’t seem to have anything to say about that, as if it’s a repeat of the expenses scandal. Who’d vote eh?

Am I missing something here. Other media are reporting that the man behind Fox with the money is one Australian businessman called Michael Hintze. Clearly, there are private donors funding the fat guy with the 2:2 in Public Administration, but so far I have not seen anything that suggests that this is some kind of CIA MOSSAD operation. Craig says that he is being paid by far right USA and Israeli interests but, with the best will in the world, the evidence for this has not appeared on this blog or anywhere. I am happy to believe it, if true, but why should I believe it?

Suggestions please in the boxes below!

Why should I believe it?
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His sources are so far impeccable. And they’re not saying any more than that HMG is concerned that Fox is being played. Unfortunately we probably won’t get any confirmation of this, and the fact that it’s allegedly a big deal will only hasten the cover-up.

I wondered what connection Fox had to the Spice Girls on this chart.http://whoknowswho.channel4.com/people/Dr_Liam_Fox
His judgement was as poor when Hague was leader (no laughing in the back) as it is now. He had to make a public apology to them for this very tasteless joke.
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Dr Fox was forced to apologise when it was revealed that he had told guests at a Commons Christmas party: “What do you call three dogs and a blackbird? Answer: The Spice Girls.” Clearly unamused by the remark, a spokesman for the group said: “One thing is for sure –
no one has ever heard of Liam Fox so no one would bother making offensive jokes about him.”
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The chart obviously needs updating with Werritty and the BICOM donors etc.although it does have Lieberman, Gove, Hague and Thatcheriof the Atlantic Bridge.
View full size and then click on the connections shown on a name.

Uzbek In The UK
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I believe and have stated on this board my absolute faith in the medical profession. By that I mean the doctors, surgeons and health professionals sworn to a covenant that includes warmth, sympathy, and understanding to fellow human beings.
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No matter what problems befall us we can be confident our local practice will attempt to alleviate anguish and pain so that we can enjoy our lives It really is the bed-rock of British society and binds our communities. and it is freely available to everyone including the infirm in complete privacy.
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More than a fire-wall, these professionals protect, help and guide us when we need it. Yet they themselves are not infallible as witnessed by a bus-bomb exploding in front of their headquarters which I believe expressed a hate from those who seek to destroy our unity and resolve by fear and intimidation.
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Under jungle rule no man’s life is safe, no man’s wife, no man’s mother, sister, children, home, liberty, rights and property. That type of rule belongs to the soul-less, those who favour extermination, extra-judicial killings, torture and violations in sovereignty over morality and law. It is those soul-less who will seek to kill and imprison physicians and medics, those concerned for Human Rights who speak out against injustice and treat those slain by the thugs that guard the hypocrites and deceivers hiding in their war bunkers or palaces away from the screams and the stench of death.

The answer is that Werritty is paid by representatives of far right US and Israeli sources to influence the British defence secretary.
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Presumably these sources have names. Who are they?
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It has been discussed within the MOD whether Werritty is being – knowingly or otherwise – run as an agent of influence by the CIA or Mossad.
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Is this in addition to being paid by the far-right in the US and Israel? Because, ideological ax-grinding notwithstanding, the CIA and Mossad don’t technically or ostensibly stand on the left-right spectrum.
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That is why the chiefs of the armed forces are so concerned, and why there is today much gagging at the stitch up within the Cabinet Office.
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Cameron’s government is a pretty weak affair. It’s fortunate for them that the Lib Dems are so venal they’ll do anything to keep the Tories afloat. Why doesn’t Cameron just kick Fox out? Because Fox knows too much????
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Dr Fox was forced to apologise when it was revealed that he had told guests at a Commons Christmas party: “What do you call three dogs and a blackbird? Answer: The Spice Girls.” Clearly unamused by the remark, a spokesman for the group said: “One thing is for sure –
no one has ever heard of Liam Fox so no one would bother making offensive jokes about him.”

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What a plonker! There were five Spice Girls! Talk about being out of touch!

Well said Mark and we could ask where will these doctors, nurses and health professionals in the private sector, tending to the insured and the well off, get their training and experience. Not in a private hospital I can assure Uzbek.

Very good article by Dr Craig Roberts in FPJ, truth is the same applies to UK, I wonder in 2025 if there is going to be a UK in its present form??

http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/10/13/the-suicide-of-liberty/

Privatisation of the police is also taking place. What next? These are the plans to outsource some of the functions of Surrey and West Midlands police forces.
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http://www.west-midlands-pa.gov.uk/documents/committees/public/2011/08_PolAuth_29Sept2011_Business_Partnering_For_Police_Programme.pdf
Note the jargon and the acronyms.
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Reported by the BBC as ‘Surrey Police agree to public-private move to cut costs. Mr Rowley said the force would move “cautiously forward” with plans to use the private sector
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Police ‘may use private sector’
Fears over forensic merger plans
Six police stations up for sale
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Plans for Surrey Police to step into “unexplored territory” and team up with a private organisation to cut costs have been approved.
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Surrey Police Authority has given the go-ahead for the force to use the private sector in non-frontline areas.
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Chief Constable Mark Rowley said the force would move “cautiously forward”.
{http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-15297345}
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Confidentialty issues arise too?

i will intervene, slightly unwillingly, in the ‘Oxbridge is for Toffs’ spat going on. There was certainly a time when these universities were the final leg of a process that went mainly through the public school system. Public schools were public but only in the sense that the public was defined as people of title-basically baronets up. The majority of the remainder of the population were mainly without rights, consisting of labouring people and domestic servants, although there were various grades of yeoman and burgesses, and significant merchants and tradespeople, artisans and artists and clergymen who had status by virtue of their roles or abilities. Women were also excluded until relatively recently. A very few commoners had been given some privileges through their remarkable abilities, or special significance with other people of high position. Besides there was a thriving concubine role, which must have spawned countless socially intermediary types of children, some of whom would have been considered worthy of higher education. Likewise there must have been countless toff jackasses who were packed off to the navy, or army to kill inferior forms of humanity , as well as some who were kept home due to their unfitness for a life anywhere else. So, certainly the system was nominally socially exclusive at the time when feudalism was still a dominant factor. However, like all such human activities, it was leaky and imperfect.
Apart from that there has always been a system of cherry picking the bright boys from the most unlikely sources and some patron may well have provided the social cachet (and a stipend) for the gifted but of humble birth.
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Isaac Newton was not a toff but was certainly provided with a university education at Cambridge
There was also a time, the 17th century when Oxbridge was inaccessible due to the costs involved of all the associations and clubs and activities a gentleman was expected to take part in. When the middle classes started to expand, this development simply provided the impetus for the creation of other universities and institutions. Places like Imperial College and Manchester University were created for the children of the growing middle classes and provided an alternative, with emphases in Technology and Science rather than the Law and Classics.
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Although the idea, or impression, of Oxbridge exclusiveness persists it has to be said that it is a long time since overt social factors were important. Oxbridge are jealous of their status and impose what they believe is a higher entry standard than many other institutions. However it also seems to me that the subtleties of fine social detail persist in some ways. Some of the keys to Oxbridge are provided for people of ‘standing’, or who at least know the system. Someone attending a comprehensive in Aberdeen whose dad and/or mum live modestly, is unlikely to attend Oxbridge, just as someone who went to Eton, of equal, or lesser ability than his or her Aberdeen counterpart, will have the expectation that they will attend some ‘superior’ Oxbridge college and will often perceive their attendance at Oxbridge as part of the preparation or initiation into the higher activities of government, the diplomatic or civil service, or some of the other highly select activities, such as becoming a researcher for one of the bigger political beasts or finding an internship within the high offices of (say) shell or BP or in a position to do the ‘year at Harvard’.
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On a final note I have to say that an Oxford (science) graduate (not a toff ) who supervised my Ph.D was a slippery lying toerag who falsified his results shamelessly in order to slither further than he might otherwise have managed, and to acquire funds that would have been more usefully applied elsewhere.
( not that I can blame Oxford for that, but one senses he ‘got away with it’ more than he might otherwise have).
And what about Porterhouse Blue. Was Tom Sharpe making it ALL up? Was Scullion a pure figment of his imagination?
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finally, I am agog at the energy of some of the posters here. Keep the flow of revelations coming, all the sooner to end the hideous, squalid and dull mediocrity of this shyster charade of government.

Everyone here knows which agenda directs world politics. Some of us are critical of it, some pretends it doesn’t exist and frantically try to obscure it by polemics. But, day by day more and more people start to realise that the Emperor has no clothes and that they have been cheated all the time.
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The zionist plauge will eventually self-implode, simply becuase lust, greed and unsatiable hunger for power always deteriorate into plain madness. Sadly, a lot of people will be killed in staged terror-attacks and staged wars before that happens, but it will happen.

Still no sign of any evidence for the big plot. Is this chatting about Oxford and the health service a bit of a distraction? If the fat guy with the 2:2 is supposed to be an agent of influence he has not exactly gone to a great deal of trouble to conceal his activity. The papers, blogs and tv have been all over him now for days. I suppose he could still have been influential, but about what?

And I suppose the other point is that if Cameron sacks Fox then all that effort on behalf of the big plot will have come to nothing. Look, I am not saying that there is nothing dodgy going on, but by the look of this Werrity guy I just cannot imagine him being all that influential with anyone. Possibly, he was reporting back to someone about conversations, having a word in Fox’s ear about this and that and Fox was going along with it because he liked his company, and he was his friend, but does this amount to a serious penetration of foreign intelligence into the heart of the UK government? By the look of it, Fox will be out on ear within a matter of weeks and what will Werrity do then? Let’s wait for the Sunday papers.

I don’t know how useful the info on this Guardian spreadsheet is for the University debate.

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Oxbridge elitism: how many black and poor students go to Oxford and Cambridge?
How elitist is Oxbridge?
New data gives a picture of the divide in race and class at Oxford and Cambridge.
Find out how many people went there from where you live
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2010/dec/07/oxbridge-elitism-oxford-cambridge-race-class#data

“Keep the flow of revelations coming, all the sooner to end the hideous, squalid and dull mediocrity of this shyster charade of government.”
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This government is the same as the last one, which was the same as the one before, and the one before that – and it will be the same as the next, and the next, and the next.
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So an enquiry is being rigged to exonerate the accused? Well thank goodness – that at least is new.
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@mary
Thanks for the digging on Murphy. Whoops – almost made a potato joke there.

America being destroyed from within by rothschild backed, israeli influenced networks that interlink nationally and internationally. Some witting, most unwitting in lower level acquiesence. No room for a superpower such as u.s. in emerging nwo. Many nations have a part to play in bringing about further war and resultant NWO. U.S a vehichle to pick off remaining potential non nwo nations and spend itself into oblivion in the process.

Comment that says werrity keeping an eye on fox to tow line rings true to me. Another point of influence for pro war agenda that has controlled western foreign policy for so long. Werrity like a little Blair with his fingers in so many pies. Blair operates as part of a globalist cabal keeping peace at bay, and despots in power, like a seasoned werrity. Also Blackmail often used to co opt politicians with skeletons in cupboard, if carrots arent enough.

I urge those not familiar with David Icke’s work to start delving. He is a quite brilliant man with incredible depth of knowledge who puts things into crystal clear context. His commitment is phenomenol. I also commend every single individual interested in truth.

There are a lot of fully qualified Tory activists who would have been quite happy to have a been able to fix any politicians office if he was above board but….just saying. Piece of piss except he’s an emotional man who believes politics is a simple fight – tough. Idiot. It’s the age difference. Can you imagine this conversation if 2 50 year lads walked out of an hotel? Is a bit odd, though. Unless he likes his pot and Werrity gets the job done – maybeeeeee?

Israel is paying Werrity to influence Fox. Fox, as a story, suddenly plummets down the BBC’s list of priorities – with the Israel revelation tacked on at the end of the article!

Coincidence?

Of course it fucking isn’t.

Did anybody see this good man yesterday speaking out and not prepared to tolerate any more of the horror we have been handing out to people of a different skin colour.
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http://www.channel4.com/news/top-army-lawyer-slams-mod-over-human-rights-abuses
Top army lawyer slams MoD over human rights abuses
Wednesday 12 October 2011
Exclusive: The army’s top lawyer during the Iraq war tells Channel 4 News his superiors blocked him when he tried to make British forces treat prisoners in a lawful way, writes Callum Macrae. Warning: You may find parts of this report distressing.
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Shami Chakrabarti of Liberty describes him as “a human rights hero and a military hero as well. A man of principle and a credit to both the legal profession and the corps of officers in the British Army.”
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One imagines that Lt Col Nicholas Mercer’s former superiors in the Ministry of Defence might choose different words.
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Lt Col Mercer was the commander legal of the British land forces that invaded Iraq at the start of the war in 2003. He was, in other words, the army’s top lawyer in Iraq. A successful and well-regarded career officer, it was his job to make sure British troops stayed within the law.
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But Lt Col Mercer’s efforts to do that job were to cost him his dear. And in an exclusive interview with Channel 4 News he describes how he was blocked, harassed and mocked by his superiors in the MoD as he tried to make sure British forces treated prisoners in a lawful and humane way.
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When he said hooding of prisoners was unlawful and must stop, he was told it was a legitimate part of “UK doctrine”. But it turned out he was right.
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When he said that prisoners were entitled to protection under the European Convention of Human Rights, the MoD said he was wrong. He says they stopped him from raising his concerns and refused to implement procedures he proposed. But again it has turned out he was right and the MoD was wrong in law.
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Baha Mousa
Yet had the procedures he proposed been implemented, it is likely that innocent Iraqi hotel worker Baha Mousa – who died after 36 hours of abuse and beating at the hands of British soldiers – would still be alive. Had he been listened to, Britain would have saved tens of millions of pounds paid out in compensation and legal fees.
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And – many argue – had his professional advice been taken, Britain’s reputation would not have been tarnished by the allegations of torture and mistreatment which continue to surround operations in Iraq and have tarnished the UK’s reputation around the world.
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So why did this happen? Mercer argues that the root cause is what he calls an attitude of “moral ambivalence” about Britain’s human rights obligations which goes right to the top of the MoD.
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“I think the millions of pounds that are spent by the Ministry of Defence trying to extract itself from the European Convention of Human Rights was extraordinary,” he says. “It’s an absurd position – and in fact what’s wrong with giving people human rights?”

Read more: /…..
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He towers above the moral microbes such as Fox, Blair, Hague, Cameron and the others.

Coincidence is God’s way of winking at us:
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http://bit.ly/qauHOi

Uzbek:

The high rate of production of heads of state by Oxford is due to the opportunities there to network with the offspring of the influential. The education is good, but the social connections are superb. People of equal ability attending, say Nottingham or Dundee (where as a very mature student I did my PhD, and many thanks to it) do not have similar access to the levers of power. The solution to this may not be so much in increasing access by the public at large to Oxbridge, as in distributing the great and good’s spawn more evenly round the other unis.

That said, my PhD supervisor – not an Oxford man -told me after he had accepted me that he had not bothered to read my CV further after spotting that I was a Durham graduate. Durham is actually quite democratic, and it is a pity that this kind of snobbery is still prevalent.

Although that is the exact reason I chose Durham…

Thanks, Other Mod.

Hi Vronsky,
i would certainly grant you that there are similarities in the policy outcomes of whatever of the main parties gets in to power. I also think democracy and representation have become degraded and are certainly not safe in the hands of any of the current crop of politicians. I was not advocating for any of the other parties when i called the currently elected crop a shyster charade. If I have any position it is that there has to be a radical change to the way we do democracy. However i certainly think we have to ‘do’ democracy in some meaningful way-not just give way to chaos.
What i mean is that the process has to be peaceful and do no harm (or at least as little as possible) . Most issues are complex. In exposing the squalid nature of people like Fox and his bosom buddy Werrity it reveals the wider picture.

Just today there was a report on the share dealings of US senators. It produced a very unlikely pattern of returns and points to insider dealing on a highly significant scale. such information on its own is not likely to bring about a revolution but it is important and very telling.
Basically I am not very inclined to the idea of the Lizard kings of Zion orchestrating the destruction of good society such as described by Fork It. However i do find it perfectly credible and even likely that someone like Fox has the kind of mind that will do anything for money, including setting up bogus advisers, charities and deals with any despot and murderer that happens along. Basically he is a stinking, low-life personality disordered narcissist who operates beyond the range of what most human being regards as normal.

The fact is, and i think it is a fact, that we are becoming aware of such processes in our attempts at representation-where the least fitted are permitted to use their aberrant skills to seek public office. And that is is important. In the past many a plausible psychopath has made his or her money at the expense of democracy, completely hidden from the public gaze. A couple of years ago i came across information about how Vodaphone made its way to prominence and great profit, and it almost certainly involved political deals and blatant insider dealing by prominent politicians. Proving it of course is impossible. Yes it is the same old same old but there is also a growing awareness of what is happening under the guise of elected government. The bringing together of tiny bits of the puzzle is of great benefit. that is what is happening on blogs such as this. The process is slow but powerful. Could it be that we are in a transition, where the quality of democracy could be altered by a seismic shift of consciousness ? I think so. Peeling away the layers from such low life as Fox and Werrity is a pain in the arse but it is necessary to reveal them for what they are-just political pimps and hookers, small time hoods and worthy of nothing but contempt and in the fulness of time, they may even get the jail term they so richly deserve. Not yet, but possibly sooner than they think possible.
Werriy is simply a bagboy for Fox. Their venal natures may have led them into being the useful idiots of some other group(s) , which will turn out to be more serious. Fox is not just venal but also a fool. His hubris is the precondition for his nemesis. If Fox is brought down , Cameron may be fatally weakened and the whole charade that democracy has become in the west and Europe and elsewhere is nearer the moment of truth.

DLJ:

If you look at the comments on “Werrity Finances” you will find several links (posted by Mark and me) to supporting evidence that Israel’s British amen corner has funded CFOI, individual Conservative campaigns, and Fox’s baby, Atlantic Bridge, They’re not the only funders, sure, but their fingerprints are on the weapon. Cameron, Blair and Fox are all on record as expressing an almost obsessive devotion to Israel, and are happy to sit on their hands when it comes to promoting any solution to Israel’s and the displaced Palestinians’ problems which involve any hint of a compromise by the Israelis.

I do not subscribe to the NWO nonsense, I am not a David Icke fan, and I do not watch Press TV. I don’t need to. There is enough credible evidence that Israel intentionally subverts and bribes foreign politicians – not just Tory ones either -to obtain its own ends.

It is no accident that every Presidential candidate in the US is vetted by AIPAC. If he wants to stand a chance, he has to make the right noises. Otherwise he will not be approached by a prominent pro-Israeli businessman and given campaign funds. This too is a matter of record.

Other Mod

I like the ( insert ) into another contributor’s comment.
You could add surreptious yawns, smileys, looking upwards to heaven, rage and other emoticons. Not that I like emoticons, but I like the idea of being able to edit/interfere with comments from behind the scenes. You could insert negatives and emphases at will to stir up rage. Us sad trolls mostly believe in our own tripe. You could teach us not to take ourselves so seriously all the time. Thinks: ‘what’s that prat got to say this time?
I haven’t got time to read the same point over and over again.’
Your emoticon would be a visual marker and save reading time.

I’m sorry – Off Topic – Obama repeats ‘Act of War’ allegation against Iran. I believe HMS Echo is in the Persian Gulf and I have heard Naval noise that a window for a strike is opening – OFCOM prepares to take PressTV off-air in the UK.

i re-read the post and the thought struck me that Fox is depicted as the patsy,the junior, or the target of Werrity, in this whole set-up. But intuitively it feels as if the junior partner here is Werrity. Werrity seems to be have been put in place by Fox and enabled to conduct his role as ……..? special adviser? with special business cards with H of P Portcullis.
There can’t be much doubt that the business cards were known to Fox, even if he claims he was unaware . If Werrity is engaged in receiving undisclosed money from foreign sources, such as Israeli businessmen, in order to ‘influence’ it means that they are engaged in a conspiracy of some kind.

Angrysoba

Dear me. There were five Spice Girls to start with, but one of them left. Then there were four. And nary a moustache to be seen.

I’ll come back one more time on Oxford and Cambridge:

The admission rates for ethnic and social groups depend on many factors, as was discussed in the Guardian article: application rates; academic and other qualifications of candidates; popularity of courses they apply to etc. There are other factors which I’ll come to in a minute.

The universities, at both staff and student levels, put a large amount of effort into trying to recruit applicants from under-represented groups. This is partly because they want to attract the brightest kids, in order to maintain their reputation (far more important than social exclusiveness, even if that were a goal), and partly because they truly want the opportunities they offer to be open to all.

The biggest hurdle to this is the attitude that ‘there’s no point you applying, they don’t take black / working class / state school kids’. This attitude is very common among the teachers who oversee university applications at state schools. I encountered it myself. It’s EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING for those trying to widen the pool of applicants, many of whom are giving up time they cannot easily spare, to visit schools and give talks and so on, to find themselves stymied by ignorant bigots who, whether backed up by partial information (only one/two/three caribbean students…) or by none, insist against the facts that there is bias in the admissions process. Idiots like Gordon Brown trying to score political points, and (excuse me) ignorant people like Uzbek here, repeatedly insisting that the admissions process is skewed ONLY MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE. Potential applicants hear this nonsense from their teachers, from public figures, from the press and from elsewhere and they are discouraged. Then the universities don’t get so many applications, so they can’t admit so many people from whichever group it is, and then morons come out saying ‘you’ve only got three working class northern black kids there, what’s going on?’

Of course, the public schools take exactly the opposite attitude; they prepare their pupils for Oxford and Cambridge applications, with mock interviews and so on, and actively encourage them to apply. So of course it’s easier for them, and a higher proportion apply, but it’s not the fault of the universities.

The people at Oxfraud and Scambridge must love the kind of discussion about university admissions taking place here. After all, it shows that Oxbridge really is better than anywhere else, since why else would people care so much about their admissions policies?
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Which is all nonsense, obviously.
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Oxbridge used to be the place where the children of the rich and powerful went to network and establish their position in the upper ranks of the national pecking order — along with a few scholarship boys, which gave them a sense of proportion concerning their own mental limitations and provided a source of high-powered intelligence in the upper ranks of the public service and in Old-Labour governments.
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But then various politicians intervened and insisted on making Oxbridge dependent on public funds, after which they were in a position to insist that these former schools for the elite have a rigorously “meritocratic” admissions policy.
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What that meant was that just about anyone with large numbers of A grades in whatever the current school leaving exam is called gets an interview for a place. And if they can handle an interview, their chances of admission are about as good as that of anyone from Eton. That’s how come two of my sister’s children went to Cambridge — the third and most gifted went elsewhere. (It’s also how come many people from Eton prefer Exeter or Durham to Oxbridge — they have more class.)
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Trouble with the meritocratic approach is that A-levels or whatever, have virtually zero correlation with intelligence or academic performance at university level.
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But nothing has really changed. My Cambridge-trained nephew and niece both have doctorates and good jobs, but neither are members of the ruling elite, or ever could have been. So what has really been achieved by breaking up the old system under which those with connections spent three years getting to know one another closely at university?
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But in any case the idea that an Oxbridge graduate is necessarily brighter or better educated than a graduate from elsewhere is absurd. Some of them, particularly at the graduate level, seem remarkably dumb.

And if they can handle an interview
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That’s what it’s about. The A-level results give you a large pool of applicants; the interview picks out the ones who are best suited for admission – not just intelligence, but personality, initiative, maturity, interest in the subject, breadth and depth of other interests etc etc. The idea that the admissions process doesn’t work because A-levels are crap is just silly. A-level results are just one of many screens. Of course some thick people get through, but overall the standard is very high. There’s a lot wrong with Cambridge, but the admissions process is pretty much ‘fit for purpose’, to use an unattractive phrase.
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I really will leave it now. Obviously there’s a whole sewer full of sour grapes and inverted snobbery out there.

Aaron Anonymous,
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Well-spotted! Excellent point and I can see you were a credit to Cambridge University. I was wrong about the number of Spice Girls there were when Liam Fox made his joke. Looking at that Channel 4 thing it turns out that he also dated Natalie Imbruglia, the crafty Fox! Bastard!
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Also, good comments on Oxbridge admissions. I think it is really important to, as you say, not be derisory about the chances for working or middle class students to get into places like Cambridge or Oxford. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy to tell students they’ll never get in and not to bother trying (and then with the usual attendent exhortation to consider anyone who does make it of being a snob/of having “sold-out” etc…).
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My own understanding, which may be as out-of-date as my Spice Girls knowledge, is that some colleges such as King’s at Cambridge are more interested in taking on intelligent/promising students from state schools than others such as Trinity, which I understand is much more toff-heavy.
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CanSpeccy: Trouble with the meritocratic approach is that A-levels or whatever, have virtually zero correlation with intelligence or academic performance at university level.

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What evidence do you have to support this?

@DeepGreenPuddock
I didn’t think you were advocating for other parties. What’s depressing to me is that I think the sort of government we have is the sort of government we have always had (apart from some Bismarckian concessions about 70 years ago) and I see no grounds for optimism that things will be better in the future – the opposite, really. All that is new is that (thanks to the internet) there is a marginally larger number of people who know of the rottenness at the core. But as Craig said recently, the reach of the internet is still much less than needed to effect change. I had hoped that the daily exposures of corruption and criminality would have led to change, but it seems these vampires survive in daylight.

The problem with the universities is none of the above. That’s as much of a distraction as ‘is Fox gay’.
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It’s that their purpose is to co-opt and direct the potential elite (and to deal with anyone who managed to get through the school system without being completely crushed), or as Bob Marley put it, they’re “graduating thieves and murderers”.

All seems to point to BICOM.
http://www.zimoz.co.uk/news/headlines/atlantic-bridge-liam-fox-adam-werritty-israel/

Radio 4′s Today programme used the “I” word again today. Seems “it has just emerged that” a firm founded by Werrity received £147,000 from a pro-Israeli lobby group.

No names, obviously. But what a coincidence. Not.

From the link to a leaked email on the Zimoz page linked by Jonathon:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/65513272/Leaked-Bicom-Emai

“BICOM has one of BBC News’ key anchors on a bespoke delegation. When
planning her very first trip to the region, Sophie Long got in touch with
BICOM to see if we could help her out with meeting in the region. Sophie is
now spending three days of her trip with BICOM Israel, taking a tour around
the Old City, meeting Mark Regev and Dr. Alex Yacobsen, as well as visiting
Ramallah and Sderot.”

Mark Regev, lol.

DLJ: no evidence of a big plot ? What do you reckon, just an unfortunate coincidence ?
This whole things stinks from start to finish. Health… Werrity doing business in that field,regular meetings with Fox…. Defence.. Werrity suddenly turns up doing business on defence.That alone is corruption. Then you have people from foreign powers probably party to many of Fox’s conversations or policies thru,our good friend the self appointed advisor who just happens to be in the same room on foreign office trips. That’s treason.he should not have been there or profiting from whatever he was doing.
Let’s not forget, this is the Defence minister that is making huge cuts to our armed forces.His idea or someone elses. If we need to do something in the Falklands in the future I guess we’ll need to outsource that. Who gets that job ??
None of it might seem to be ” a big plot ” , but business could be cashing in on his decisions.

I am not chugging for Murdoch. This is the Times front internet page with their main article. You have to pay £1 to read them but I would not bother. The said Ms Haynes was reviewing the papers on Sky News last night and was waxing lyrical on Fox’s great success in Libya and that there were only 100 pro Gaddafi fighters left in Sirte. Revolting shallow person straight out of RUSI or Chatham House. How does she know what horror is ongoing in Libya.

The rest of the stuff looks as if it belongs in the Sun.

Exclusive: Fox friend funded by intelligence company
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October 14 2011 12:01AM
A corporate intelligence company with a close interest in Sri Lanka, a property investor who lobbies for Israel and a venture capitalist keen on strong ties with Washington helped to fund the jet-set lifestyle of Liam Fox’s close friend, The Times can reveal. Over the past year, Adam Werritty, the Defence Secretary’s best man and self-styled adviser, paid for first-class travel around the world and stays in five-star hotels using some of the £147,000 paid into the bank account of a not-for-profit company that he set up. Almost the same amount of money left the account of Pargav Ltd over that period. More than £50,000 was also transferred into the accounts of two other companies linked to Mr Werritty, whose relationship with Dr Fox has cast serious doubt over the future of the Defence…

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Again, you could not make it up. Not a lot between the ears?
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/10/14/oliver-letwin-caught-throwing-away-secret-papers-in-public-bins-115875-23487379/

But the Telegraph names names….

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8826133/Adam-Werritty-Liam-Foxs-friend-bankrolled-by-corporate-intelligence-firm-and-Israel-lobbyist.html

Re-enter Zabludowicz (. Well, well, well. Who’da thunk it?

Me for one:

“Mr Werritty is reported to have paid for travel around the world from a company that received funds from G3 Good Governance Group and Tamares Real Estate, an investment company owned by Poju Zabloudowicz, the chairman of Bicom.

Jon Moulton, a venture capitalist, is also said to have provided money to Pargav Ltd, the firm which is alleged to have bankrolled Mr Werritty.

Over the past few days, speculation has mounted as to how Mr Werritty was able to join Liam Fox on more than 20 overseas trips including official visits, conferences and holidays.

It has now emerged that six different people and companies each paid up to £35,000 to Pargav since last year.

Mr Werritty is said to have withdrawn more than £140,000 from Pargav’s bank account to fund his travel around the world to meet up with Dr Fox, The Times reported.”

Remembering Cast Lead – the right way -

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/04/biscom-israel-lobby-poju-zabludowicz

The Telegraph names names.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8826133/Adam-Werritty-Liam-Foxs-friend-bankrolled-by-corporate-intelligence-firm-and-Israel-lobbyist.html

Zabludowicz? Didn’t I mention that name before somewhere? Chair and major funder of BICOM?

And the Guardian. Norton Taylor, the co-author, is on the RUSI council along with Arbuthbot and co, so completely impartial here. NOT.
{http://www.rusi.org/about/council/}
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/oct/13/rightwing-tories-rally-liam-fox

Defence Secretary, Rt Hon Dr Liam Fox MP:

“I think that ultimately that is what links us, it is not just our sense of history, but is our sense of values, our belief in liberty, our belief in democracy, our belief in choice, our belief in self-reliance – these are the things that ultimately give us that adherence to one another and I think that we must never ever be led to believe that values are unimportant or be led into disbelief or the moral equivalence of states simply because you draw laws around them that gives them equal legitimacy”. CFI Summer Reception, 13 July 2010

(Conservative Friends of Israel website)

s/b Arbuthnot, Rt Hon James, yet another Conservative Friend of Israel and chairman of the Defence Select Committee, Member of the Privy Council and ex Minister of State, MoD.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Arbuthnot

very interesting – the comments equally so

OFCOM standards team are deciding whether to uphold a complaint and remove the PressTV from the SKY platform. The move is considered to be an abuse of the UK media law and the result of mounting pressure on the organization by certain members of the royal family and government.
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PressTV is a non-state manipulated news broadcaster who maintains accurate and impartial broadcasting. It was the first channel to report the human rights violations in Bahrain to a UK audience.
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If you would like to register a complaint please email:
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ofcomstandardsteam@ofcom.org.uk

“the interview picks out the ones who are best suited for admission”
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Oh God! Do people still believe that? The notion was debunked by experimental psychologists decades ago. Eysenck reviewed the evidence in various popular accounts as well as in scholarly journal articles.
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And same to you, Angry! I cannot undertake to review the literature in a 50-word commentary, but if you bother to look into it, you will find that I am correct.
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The reason, incidentally, that Oxbridge is a scam is that its credibility rests on their past role as schools for the elite — indeed the only post secondary schools in England. But now they are open to anyone, just like the other universities, so they are no longer elite schools! Just funny places were mainly middle class kids go and learn to say “Awxfud” instead of Oxford. Or have they given up that silly conceit?
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Today Imperial College and UMist have students as bright as any at Oxbridge, which explains why they are overtaking Oxbridge in centers for scientific research.

So, is the noxious Liam Fox an agent of a foreign country? Wow. I thought he was many things, but it never occurred to me that he might be working for Israel. And is this SIS deciding that now he is too much of a liability? Wow. The lid needs to come right off this story. Salute to Craig for publishing it here.
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Might there be any relation with the man-in-a-bag? Might he have stumbled on something? Pure speculation. No evidence. Just a thought. Everyone’s forgoten about Gareth Williams. Who killed him? Pimlico knows.
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Tinker, Soldier, Sailor, Spy.