Timing is All

by craig on January 16, 2012 2:52 pm in Uncategorized

Meryl Streep took best actress award at the Golden Globes for The Iron Lady. There has been much media speculation about the motivation for Alex Salmond choosing Autumn 2014 for the independence referendum, largely centring around Bannockburn. Personally I can see the referendum coinciding brilliantly with Margaret Thatcher’s state funeral in London. That really would clinch it.

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  1. You made me laugh (properly)!

    Usually you make me laugh nervously.

  2. A balance sheet can not be used to decide Scottish Independence. The most important things in our life have no scientific measure or monetary value. Pride, love, loyalty, trust, feeling, friendship, joy, peace, patriotism, Freedom…… If you see patriotism as a manipulative thing or if you think it is spelled PAYtriotism it means nothing. Does pure love of self government live in a few hearts? ?

    In 1916 Ireland most people would not have voted for independence. A few saw that only a blood sacrifice would put in train a retaliation that would lead to freedom that they thought was worth their lives. The English retaliation lead to a large vote in 1918 against unionism. Ireland had a Unionist merchant, upper-class, and middleclass that wanted material wealth before pride. And a cowed ‘working class’ that was hungry. They had to be forced to change. Without force we would not be free. This was not democratic. Was it worth it?. By which standard?. We don’t care. Now the vast majority would never vote to return to British overall authority. The sheer exuberance of independence is great. When I see that Flag abroad my heart soars. Worth it? YES. Also despite what you hear we have a good life here. It is in OUR hands. And the English make better neighbours than masters.

    This will be difficult now in Scotland with your ties. As we had to, you have to persuade more than your fair share of colonisers with a large group of Unionists, North English, lethargy, colonised people who have been taught to feel they and their culture are inferior, momentum, inadequate people who need to be subjects, fear, insecurity, a pacified people who are trained to feel unsure on their own , the usual knaves and traitors (“I am opposed to being independent “!!!) and those waiting to be bought,ie prostitutes. Your newspapers seem to be largely anti Scottish independence. Quite a few may prefer to be comfortable, kept, poodles. The English are cunning, manipulative, colonisers. They have been on your case for a long time, know all the tricks,and it would be amazing if they had not succeeded. They will threaten, ridicule, divide, separate, control the media, and dangerously flatter as they get more desperate. If it is in England’s interest it is probably not in yours. Would they submit to a ruling Scottish King?. An arrogant England is happy with domesticated Scotties and Corgi’s. Your negotiations will be more successful if you are independent.

    Are you not confident that you could avoid the mistakes we made and live better lives with better values than now?.
    If England thinks they can be stronger with Scotland behind them then how much stronger will they be as free nations standing shoulder to shoulder as free people. Are they going to frighten or punish you for wanting to be free?. They are afraid of being insignificant on their own and need you. You can help more as free people. Nations far away all crave freedom. Why not Scotland nearby?. If you are not independent you are dependent. Good friends don’t want to dominate with a smothering embrace. How did you feel when you saw an Irish head of state meet the English/British head as equals with their own flags flying?

    If Scottish spirit is buried it will be buried alive. Artists, Poets, thinkers, Leaders and leaven like Alex Salmond and Craig Murray, and brave people will think the unthinkable with renewed vigour. They will have pressure applied to them. Give them constant support. You have a harder job than Ireland had. Seeds must be sown and nourished. Nothing will just happen. Which is more important – true freedom or manipulated democracy ?. If you had a fully separate Scotland how many would vote to go back under the Queen to have decisions made for them. ? You also must be cunning, persevere and mature as a grown up nation with a visceral need for freedom. Eyes must be raised from the trough to a National identity and destiny.
    If the Scots have been fully, shamefully, pacified and domesticated I am sorry for you.

    Vote and talk strong for Scotland. Get more activists and votes out and shame the cowards.
    ‘Give me ten stout-hearted men …and Ill soon give you ten thousand more’,
    We can all be better as independent proud respectful neighbours in the WISE group (Wales, Ireland, Scotland, England).
    I wish you great success as a fully mature independent respected neighbour of England and Ireland (and Wales)

  3. Quite so, John Stack. Well said, Sir and/or Madam …. [Well, you just never know these days who you are having a chat with, do you? . Not immediately, anyway.]

  4. http://brianwhelan.net/post/7575919321/the-iron-lady-thatchers-screws-obit

    News of the World : The Iron Lady’s Orbituary!

  5. Thatchers “state” funeral? Surely in deference to her political ideal that should be privatised,,,,,,,
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    But in keeping with her lifelong ethics I would offer the following suggestion,,,,,,,,,,
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    A pyramid should be erected in Grantham as a memorial to the Iron Lady, the free labour for which could be provided by the workfare scheme, what better testament to stand for the next few thousand years of the society she played such a big part in engineering. Then finally in keeping with tradition of a Pharoah’s servants to be buried with them, it would be hugely disrespectful if Cameron, Brown and Blair et al were not bricked up with her.

  6. @John Stack – thank you so much. I had thought that as a Scot with English relatives I was free to define my cultural identity as being wider and more inclusive than just centering around one particular part of the British isles. I had thought that my personal heritage included that of my English forebears as much as my Scottish ones, and even those from the Irish line on my mother’s side. But thanks to you, I can see that these sentiments are symptoms of a shameful pacification and domestication fit only to be expunged in order that the purity of my Scottishness can fully flower.

    Glad to get that sorted out.

  7. Craig, you’re admirable. Strong. Independent. Cool. We love you. But we wonder why the fuck you pretend to be Scottish.

  8. Privatise Thatcher’s funeral?

    https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/18914

    Mind you, if the labour leadership, from Kinnock onwards had fought as hard for their class as the old milk snatcher did for hers, we might be living in a very different society now.

  9. Billy,

    Like so many of us, I am ethnically very mixed – Scots/Italian/Corsican/English/Irish/Dutch (quite possibly Jewish Dutch). But I think independence will be good for Scotland, and good for the UK in challenging the neo-imperialist policy and its drivers. In fact I don’t think anything but the break up of the UK can do that.

  10. I saw the film a few days ago at a local cinema and I thought Meryl Streep’s performance as an actress was outstanding. Very few actors are so good that one forgets them altogether. It happened when I saw Martin Landau plahying Bela Lugosi in “Ed Wood”. Meryl Streep’s portrayal was so powerful that it dispelled all thoughts of the actress itself from the mind. I reckon she deserves a BAFTA, Oscar and honorary knighthood (the kind they give to ladies) all rolled into one!

  11. Mrs T. got many things right and that prevented her from listening to sensible advice, particularly about banking and taxation.
    She created the idea that banks create money, whereas they actually add a second layer of taxation in the form of interest.
    She created the illusion of market forces while operating the market forces surreptitiously with a fairly heavy hand in the direction that suited government.
    The present batch of Tories constantly repeat these worn out cliches, which in no way address the realities of the modern world. The challenge of today is how this country can live within its means by fair trade without stealing stuff by war.
    There isn’t a plan for a plan for a plan for a plan to do this.
    So in the words of Jesus pbuh ‘let the dead bury their dead’ when the time comes.

  12. Corrected sentences: “..It happened when I saw Martin Landau playing Bela Lugosi in “Ed Wood”. Meryl Streep’s portrayal was so powerful that it dispelled all thoughts of the actress herself from the mind…”

  13. “There has been much media speculation about the motivation for Alex Salmond choosing Autumn 2014 for the independence referendum”
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    Speculate no more. Salmond knows as the powers that rule us know, by Autumn 2014 the UK will be WELL into total financial meltdown!, God alone knows what will be going on by then, the scots will be much more inclined to vote for independence (if given the chance ???).
    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/2012/01/12/scotland-quebec-referendums/#comment-9735

  14. Craig,
    Indeed timing is everything, alas Mrs. T will not be kicking her clogs yet, after all we all know; “devil looks after its own. The lady who was not for turning, has left quite a lot of mess in her wake, and surely she needs to hang around to see the fruits of her success; absolute rich lording over the abject poor.
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    Salmond can cross swords with the best of them, he already had threatened to order the Scottish police to intervene and stop the referendum, if it was not to his liking.

  15. Mike Cobley and uncle Tom and all. Hi,
    Being born in Scotland does not make you a proud true Scot. You seem to define yourself as Unionist or British. Craig by his choices has more right to the title . Irish freedom was spearheaded by Patrick Pearse whose father was protestant English who choose freedom for Ireland. Similarly in America. It is choice of loyalty not accident of birth. Kennedy “Ich bin ein Berliner” showed his desire for Berlins freedom. Do you have a passionate desire for Scottish independence ? Are you a Scot ?. Same answer.

  16. Very ironically Thatcher did more than anybody to undermine the UK. It is her legacy and the policies of her surrogates Major/Blair/Brown/Cameron that have pissed the Scots off so much for decades. She started it. I still remember being a guinea pig for the Poll Tax. I always will.

  17. Craig,

    “But I think independence will be good for Scotland, and good for the UK in challenging the neo-imperialist policy and its drivers. In fact I don’t think anything but the break up of the UK can do that.”

    How exactly would that work? Do you really think the politicians in Edinburgh are any more open, honest or democratic or any less self serving than those in London? Certainly not Salmond judging by the games he is playing. I agree with most of your intentions but the fuss over an Independent Scotland is simply a means to increase the SNPs own power.

    Wasn’t there something in the news recently about the tactic of “divide and rule”?

  18. “Mrs. T”
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    Didn`t some of her own cabinet say that they thought she was insane while she was prime minister, I remember when she thought she was the Queen!. Of course the real clinchers were when she ordered the sinking of Belgrano and burning all that north sea gas off into the atmosphere instead of storing it like the Norwegians did with theirs, all done in order to give tax cuts to get re-elected, we could do with that north sea gas now, would have lasted the UK 20/25 years, instead we are now paying high prices to the Norwegians (amoung others) to buy their stored north sea gas. She never at anytime gave one seconds thought to the people off the UK, she served the top 10%, and she served them well.

  19. Timing is all. Well Clegg stiffened his sinews today and spoke out. Must have narked Liberman’s deputy Ayalon who is visiting and also Palmor, see below.

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    UK’s Clegg says Israeli settlements ‘vandalism’
    By DAVID STRINGER, Associated Press – 27 minutes ago
    LONDON (AP) — Britain’s deputy prime minister accused Israel on Monday of carrying out “deliberate vandalism” by continuing to build settlements on land the Palestinians hope will form part of a future state.
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    In an escalation of Britain’s previous condemnations of Israeli construction, Nick Clegg warned that continued settlement building is jeopardizing prospects for a peace deal.
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    “Once you’ve placed physical facts on the ground that makes it impossible to deliver something that everyone has for years agreed is the ultimate destination. … It is an act of deliberate vandalism to the basic premise on which negotiations have taken place for years and years and years,” Clegg said, referring to settlement construction.
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    Clegg was speaking alongside Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who also was holding talks in London with Prime Minister David Cameron and Foreign Secretary William Hague — both of whom have previously expressed concern about settlements.
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    “The continued existence of illegal settlements risks making facts on the ground such that a two-state solution becomes unviable,” Clegg said.
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    He said that continued construction would “do nothing to safeguard the security of Israel itself, or of Israeli citizens.”
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    “This is exactly what we wanted to hear officially from the government of the United Kingdom,” Abbas told reporters, speaking through a translator.
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    Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said Clegg’s choice of language would do little to help attempts to restart peace talks. “It would be much better to contribute to peace by encouraging the fragile revival of Israeli-Palestinian talks rather than engaging in gratuitous bashing,” Palmor said.
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    Cameron, who met later with Abbas at his official Downing Street residence, warned that time is “running out for the two-state solution unless we can push forward now.”
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    Israeli-Palestinian peace talks stalled in 2009 over the issue of Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, areas that Israel captured from Jordan in the 1967 war. It is territory the Palestinians envision as part of their future state.
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    Negotiators from the two sides began meeting again in Jordan on Jan.3 in the hope of restarting substantive talks, but disagreements have already surfaced over a deadline for progress on initial discussions.
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    “We are optimistic about those negotiations and at the same time we hope that there will be something tangible as a result of these negotiations,” Abbas said. “Of course, time is of the essence — there must be speed, we must be fast in achieving those things because the settlements and the whole thing will go on.”
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    The Palestinians insist they won’t continue talks unless Israel stops building in the West Bank and east Jerusalem. Israel has said the issue of settlements will be solved once there are agreed-upon borders.
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    “Settlements have to stop in order for us to be able to continue our negotiations, to come to some sort of solution, and a solution which will encompass the vision of the Palestinian state to come in the future,” Abbas said.
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    In December, European members of the U.N. Security Council said that Israel’s acceleration of construction work had sent “a devastating message” and called for an immediate halt.
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    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has previously insisted the country is exercising “great restraint” in construction.
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    Associated Press writer Ian Deitch in Jerusalem contributed to this report
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihc7ianQMKjbrD_qmGobCAX7vBwA?docId=27dea5fbf8114de19377f2e738147960

  20. Cameron criticised this film coming out before Thatcher’s death.
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    I quite agree with him. If she was already dead, we’d know the film had a happy ending!

  21. Ben Franklin

    16 Jan, 2012 - 6:06 pm

    ” If she was already dead, we’d know the film had a happy ending!”

    The Ghost of Pinochet weeps….

  22. @Mike Cobley
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    You need to retreat about ten steps from the wall in order to appreciate the painting. You’re the only Nationalist – of your own very negative definition – posting here.

  23. Hey Ben – Thatcher’s old pal Pinochet had the grace to kick off on Human Rights Day, 2006. I hope Thatcher could mark some event quite soon herself in the same fashion, such as the anniversary of the start of the miner’s strike.
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    What would be a truly generous gesture, is if old warmongers such as Kissinger, Thatcher, Bush senior, Tebbit and particularly Cheney would all draw their last on the same day. That would be a date for many generations to cherish.

  24. Ben Franklin

    16 Jan, 2012 - 6:49 pm

    “That would be a date for many generations to cherish.”

    I’d be careful about that, Glenn. You never know who would rise up in their stead.

    ‘The Devil you know’,,,you know

    btw. Ever met your namesake?

    http://www.salon.com/writer/glenn_greenwald/

  25. O/T Be very afraid. Obomber loses his cool and takes it out on a door.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWuBpu-LigU&feature=share

  26. Oh no, John Stack, oh no! – so if I’m not pro-independence I must be….anti-Scottish! Next up, you’ll be asking me why I hate Scotland so much. Y’know, I might have let yr ethnic filtering observation pass were it not for the Uncle Tom comment: suffice to say that you’re not the first to deploy that ad hominem munition and probably wont be the last.
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    And as for comparing Scotland to the plight of Berliners/east germans during the Soviet era … I believe that’s what’s known as hyperbole. Scotland is not Kosovo, or Chechnya, or Tibet and to make the comparison is, frankly, insulting to those who within living memory have suffered terrible oppression.

  27. Don’t think so, Mary – notice that large double-microphone in the final seconds of the clip, that wasn’t there during the press briefing earlier? It’s a fake.
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    Ben: wrt Greenwold, Afraid not! But I’ve often been mistaken.

  28. How low can society sink?
    Monday 16 January 2012
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    The day Margaret Thatcher drove away from Downing Street I had returned from Iraq.
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    After a 27-hour bus journey across the desert from Baghdad to Amman (no flights allowed because of the embargo) and a six-hour flight from Amman to Heathrow, I headed straight for Downing Street.
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    Grubby, exhausted and clutching luggage, I was in time to see her drive away.
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    A journalist from the Times approached me and asked why I was there.
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    “It is like going to the funeral of one’s worst enemy, not to mourn but to ensure they are really dead,” I replied.
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    That is where I stand on Thatcher’s woeful legacy, destruction of jobs, pride and society.
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    That said, the debate over costs of her funeral, an ailing, elderly, living lady, shames us all.
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    It has to be wondered sometimes how low this society, which, ironically, she declared dead, really can sink.
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    It has certainly returned to bite her in a sick and twisted way.
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    Felicity Arbuthnot
    London E9
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    http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/114224

  29. ”Personally I can see the referendum coinciding brilliantly with Margaret Thatcher’s state funeral in London”
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    ‘The Iron Lady’ will go to DVD in a few weeks and then be in Poundland a few weeks later along side ‘Halloween Horror Attack’ !
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    ”Spitting Image (Thatcher & Hitler) ” – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-jT8NOU1xM&feature=related
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    Now, that is art!

  30. I cannot stand watching THAT FACE glide past on the sides of buses. The reality was (and is) bad enough. Now we have to swallow the cinematic fiction too. Yes, Streep is a good actor, though not among my personal favourites – something to do with her style often irritates me. I cannot judge this film, since I haven’t see it. I will watch the film when it comes out on dvd. On second thoughts, maybe I won’t. It exists. I know the story. And that’s enough. Thatcher screwed-up this country and I will never forgive her. Her continuing ability to evoke powerful emotions may be a testament to her numinous power. But I see her entity more as a warning to (to loan from The Moody Blues) our children’s children’s children: “Behave, or Bad Thatch Witch will come and get you!” Now, if it’d been a horror film, I might have gone to see it…

  31. One of my memories about the whore that came to be the founding fucking mother of modern UK, is watching the old sow before the elections, carrying two carrier bags of shopping, she claimed both were bought with five pounds the smaller one of the two she claimed to be the fault of the inflation and unrestrained spending, and the larger one with pre-inflation prices.
    ,
    After the elections, watching her on my rental TV she was advising me to go shopping after my meals so that I don’t spend too much! so much for the fucking inflation she was trying to beat.
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    I do hate that whore and what she stands for with a vengeance.

  32. I assume that our new contributor from across the pond is an afficionado of Hunter S Thompson? I have never heard of Gonzo journalism.
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    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gonzo+logo&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-gb:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ACAW_en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=XKAUT9_lDLL54QTGoPHkAw&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1399&bih=762

  33. RIP dear Brian Haw. You are sorely missed. The fascists would not have dared to do this to you.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16587406

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    Must be nice and clean for the f’ing Jubilee and the Olympics. Can’t let the tourists see that there are dissenters.

  34. Mary,
    Gonzo is whole new ball game, and at times more productive than any other kind of news gathering.

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    RIP dear Brian Haw +1
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    What about Gove the pervert and the f’ing Jubilee yacht shit? No schools, homeless sleeping in the door ways, and working families reliant on food charities, because they cannot feed themselves, but Gove can find 60 million for a yacht, getting the priorities right.

  35. FAO please don’t shout about Sorcha Faal aka David Booth the Most Obvious Government Disinformation Shill, the reason for posting is to highlight the desperation of the ziowankers in their rush for war

    January 14, 2012
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    Italian Cruise Ship Reported Torpedoed By Iranian Submarine
    By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers
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    A “flash” message received in the Kremlin today from the Northern Fleet Command, whose Russian Navy flotilla is in the Mediterranean Sea after having just left their Syrian port of call, reports that the anti-submarine ship Admiral Chabanenko has detected the firing of a torpedo having the “unmistakable signature” of one fired from a kilo-class submarine near Isola del Giglio a popular vacation island about 18 miles off the Italian Tuscan coast.

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    So nukes aside, 911 aside, now the submarines have torpedoed the Lusitania all over again too.

  36. “I have never heard of Gonzo journalism.” That avatar pops up occasionally from it’s creation some 7 years ago, but I remain a solid fan of the New Journalist.

    Anyone who wants a timeless perspective of American politics should read;

    “Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail”
    .

  37. “Although reading this article gives me an idea;”

    This too, shall pass.

  38. The Iran wot done it theme going main stream;

    Thai authorities were caught off-guard by the U.S. announcement, hastily revealing they had detained a Swedish national of Lebanese origin with alleged links to pro-Iranian Hezbollah militants and that intelligence indicated a plot could be carried out between Jan. 13 and 15. The defense minister said the news was not released earlier to avoid panic that could hurt Thailand’s tourism industry, one of the country’s biggest revenue earners.
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    However;
    A foreign suspect with alleged links to Hezbollah militants led Thai police Monday to a warehouse filled with materials commonly used to make bombs, as Thailand and the U.S. disagreed over whether Bangkok was the target of a terror plot.
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    Although the rice paddies and farms needing this stuff is by no means a usual occurrence, and this stuff is only for bomb making!!!!!”
    Police seized more than 8,800 pounds (4,000 kilograms) of urea fertilizer and several gallons of liquid ammonium nitrate at the warehouse in Samut Sakhon
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    Thai Police Seize Explosives, Charge Lebanese Man

  39. I had her down for going just as the Olympics was opening, and see how the greatest union in the history of the universe ever, would cope with a games and a state funeral at the same time?

    It would at least mean there would be a bit of a choice on the telly…

  40. Tris,

    The opening ceremony consisting of re-enacted scenes from ‘Carry On Up The Kyber’ while a deceased Thatcher is lowered from a floating replica of the Belgrano onto the centre of the pitch encircled by a bunch of kilt-wearing Scots who, in unison, proceed to urinate on her from a great height.

  41. I hope we can work in a bearded Flatley dressed in a faeces-smeared blanket doing a mocking Riverdance. A fitting wake for the bitch from hell. “Poof! There’s puff for ye, begor, and planxty of it, all abound me breadth!”

  42. I like this blog,as a rule.I’ve been a regular since the beginning and value most of our family of mostly wise commentators.However i feel i must speak out and please believe me i was/am no lover of Thatcher-the very opposite in fact.I realise i might get pelters for what i’m about to say but i feel it worth saying.I know Thatcher is an highly emotive topic but i can’t quite believe some of the statements on this post.In places it reminds me of a bad Grauniad CiF article full of rage and hatred.This blog is,or ought be,better than this.Thatcher,to me,was an horrific politician with little,or no,empathy and compassion.In opposition to that the way forward with one’s enemies is not to become as hate-filled as them but rather to win by the strength of argument and an exemplary position.Some comments here are full of hate and yes i understand why that hate is there.But do we really need to be so hateful to a demented old woman as she aproaches her end? Are we not better than that?Surely?Or do we become just as hate-filled and compassionless as all those insane right wing nutjobs that populate so much of the datasphere? This blog is better than that.Don’t let’s succumb to their level of inhumanity.
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    “The best lack all conviction while the worst are full of passionate intensity…” ???
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    Come on folks…we’re better than that,don’t let’s become as hate-filled as them,please.
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    Ok…i’ll get my coat…

  43. Alan Arsebridger

    17 Jan, 2012 - 4:26 am

    Suhayl Saadi
    16 Jan, 2012 – 8:19 pm
    Yes, Streep is a good actor

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    No, she’s an ACTRESS. The GuRetardian has decided that the word actress no longer exists. Please don’t join them in shitting on the English language.

  44. Really, Craig. Why?

  45. Yesterday’s Education Questions in the HoC. Perhaps McDonalds or Marks and Spencer could sponsor the yacht. What name could we give it? Costa Lotofmoney? How preposterous. It annoys me greatly to see that small opportunist Sarah Teather sitting alongside Poison Gove.
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    Stephen Twigg (Liverpool, West Derby) (Lab/Co-op): How many primary school places could the Government fund with the money that the Secretary of State has proposed be spent on a new royal yacht? Does he regret his rushed decision in 2010 to abolish the Labour Government’s primary capital programme and would it not have been better to have reformed that programme to focus on the serious shortage of primary school places?
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    Michael Gove: The hon. Gentleman should have been careful to look at the charts and to navigate out of rocky waters, because the letter that I wrote to the Prime Minister on 12 September clearly stated that I agreed, of course, that the project for a royal yacht— the Future Ship Project 21st Century— was one where no public funding should be provided. I am afraid that the hon. Gentleman has once again allowed himself to be misled. I support that project because it would provide opportunities for disadvantaged youth from across the country to learn new skills and to take part in exciting new adventures. It is typical of the unreformed elements—
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    Mr Speaker: Order. I am extremely grateful to be educated by the Secretary of State, but I do not think that the yacht will provide additional primary school places, which is the subject matter under discussion.
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    Stephen Twigg: Indeed, Mr Speaker. The Government have found £1.2 billion for new places, half of which is being spent on new free schools. Although 90% of the extra places that are needed by 2015 are in primary schools, the majority of the new free schools announced late last year are secondary schools. Instead of his dogmatic and ideological preference for his pet project, would it not make more sense to allocate the whole of that £1.2 billion to meet the serious shortfall in primary school places?
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    Speaker Bercow seems to have the measure of Gove.
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    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201212/cmhansrd/cm120116/debtext/120116-0001.htm#12011623000006

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  46. Strange that the Anerican electoral system has not thrown up a woman President yet. In the meantime Ron Paul is the man.
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    Voters Choice: Ron Paul or Bibi Netanyahu

    By William A. Cook

    January 16, 2012 “Information Clearing House”

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    A curious glance at the current crop of presidential candidates makes it clear that Ron Paul stands alone when it comes to the issue of US engagement in foreign wars. He stands with George Washington against foreign entanglements while the rest of the candidates stand with Teddy Roosevelt and the attempted creation of America ‘s first empire one hundred and twelve years ago. Mark Twain responded to that effort by creating the Anti-imperialist society while he caustically satirized the effort in his depiction of the massacre of the Moros in the Philippines . Now we have more massacres, using drones instead of canons, on equally hapless civilians who are caught unawares or hiding from the wrath of America ‘s righteousness as we drive to bring virtue to a primitive world.
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    Today America has an estimated 700 military installations in about 140 nations around the world; its bases surround Iran as does its nuclear capability, and it is engaged in executive “wars” in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Palestine. All of this while carrying a debt that exceeds thirteen trillion dollars, cutting budgets in education, medical care and social security, and retaining a Pentagon budget that exceeds that of the 16 declared developed nations combined. And to top it all off, we are considering armed aggression against Iran that could plunge America into the biggest war since WW II. Why?
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    /….
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30256.htm

  47. Note:
    “Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales says the online encyclopaedia will black out its website tomorrow to protest at anti-piracy legislation under consideration in the US Congress.

    “Mr Wales announced the move on Twitter.”
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0117/breaking15.html

  48. Ref my comment on the clearing of Parliament Square, headlined on the ZBC website, I omitted to say that the Act they are using effectively removes the concept of universal jurisdiction from our statutes. By the time the DPP is involved, a Pinochet, an Almog, a Livny or an Olmert is up and away.
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    Remember that Mrs May is speaking at the Herzliya gathering.
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    Summary of the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act (Orwell lives)
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    The Bill covers five distinct policy areas: police accountability and governance; alcohol licensing; the regulation of protests around Parliament Square; misuse of drugs; and the issue of arrest warrants in respect of private prosecutions for universal jurisdiction offences.
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    Key areas
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    replaces police authorities with directly elected Police and Crime Commissioners, with the aim of improving police accountability
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    amends and supplements the Licensing Act 2003 with the intention of ‘rebalancing’ it in favour of local authorities, the police and local communities
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    sets out a new framework for regulating protests around Parliament Square. Relevant sections of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 would be repealed and the police would be given new powers to prevent encampments and the use of amplified noise equipment
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    enables the Home Secretary to temporarily ban drugs for up to a year, and removes the statutory requirement for the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs to include members with experience in specified activities
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    introduces a new requirement for private prosecutors to obtain the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions prior to the issue of an arrest warrant for ‘universal jurisdiction’ offences such as war crimes or torture. The Government’s aim in introducing this change is to prevent the courts being used for political purposes.

    .
    http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2010-11/policereformandsocialresponsibility.html
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    I wrote to my MP who is a Minister protesting about the Bill when it was in its early stages but only received the usual anodyne response in return.

  49. Maryl Streep is a superb actress, someone for whom I have the highest praise. Not only can she act but she can do accents (Michael Caine does a Cockney accent in all his films). I’ve heard her do the South African/Danish accent (Out of Africa), a Southern Irish accent (Ironweed, and another film I forget), English (The French Lieutenant’s Woman), Polish (Sophie’s Choice) and from the clips I’ve seen of Margaret Thatcher (Iron Lady) it is hard to distinguish her portrayal from that of Thatcher herself. Such talent is extremely rare!

  50. To do accents well I think one has to have a musical ear. I’m guessing Streep has and Brad Pitt hasn’t.
    “Ironweed, and another film I forget” – Dancing at Lughnasa?
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120643/
    She was far from perfect, but better than I expected.

  51. “Court rules Abu Qatada cannot be deported”
    .
    Radical cleric Abu Qatada cannot be sent back to Jordan while “there remains a real risk that evidence obtained by torture will be used against him”, judges ruled today.
    .
    The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) ruled there would be a breach of his right to a fair trial “given the real risk of the admission of evidence obtained by torture at his retrial”.

    It is the first time that the Strasbourg-based court has found that an expulsion would be in violation of Article 6, the right to a fair trial.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/court-rules-abu-qatada-cannot-be-deported-6290742.html
    .
    Oh dear, that’ll be popular with the bees that power …!

  52. Look folks.
    Maybe we all hate Thatcher, but the thing about hate is that most of the time the person you hate either doesn’t know or doesn’t care. The best revenge with regard to Thatcher would be to forget about her, although admittedly I don’t think we’re going to be allowed to do that.

  53. I hate Thatcher. I also hate (e.g.) Dick Cheney. The difference between me and them is that I would not lift my hand against either of them, nor, given the power and/or opportunity, order others to lift theirs. However, I’ll make as many cracks about them on forums as I like. Whenever I like. (unless Jon deletes me, of course.) I don’t expect them to know or care. Only people with compassion know the meaning of ‘caring’.

  54. Jives
    Stay in your seat. The full circle of Thatcherism from her first decision to undo the collars of the bankers leads to our current bankruptcy is good for us. 70 years ago we at war struggling for survival and we should remember with humility that we can return to that condition again. Since the majority now see Mrs T’s mistakes what is much more important today is to put the collars back on the bankers. I still naively believe that if we did that we could turn this ship around, and even avoid the next world war of Islam’s revenge.
    We are united against our government and its partner and its opposition, but how do we stop their addictive gambling in time?

  55. “Since the majority now see Mrs T’s mistakes what is much more important”
    .
    They were not “mistakes”!!!, they were very carefully planned and excuted by some very evil people, things were meant to be the way they wanted things to be. They knew what they were doing, we are all just pawns on a big chessboard, puppets on strings.

  56. Guest 17 Jan, 2012 – 10:59 am said: “we are all just pawns on a big chessboard, puppets on strings”
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    Your high self esteem is commendable, alas the reality is we the 99 percentiles don’t even come into the equation, Puppets, and strings have some market value, pawns can be recycled if sent to China and come back as lighters and lava lamps and shit. We the bothersome 99 percentiles are only food wasters in the way of progress of bankers with our moaning sand whining asking for justice, fairness, and all the crap about legality regulations and outdated useless stuff.
    ,
    The misanthropic bastards running the show cannot stand anyone with a normal functioning balder and a penis that works as per specifications and is not in need of all manner of pills, potions, and injections come the hours of privacy with the nice looking bit of totty.
    ,
    The evil bastards ideal world would be bankers sitting in their castles and selling each other risk free equity and financial products and only activate the 99 percentiles to go to fields to work and make good the losses, and then return to the stables they were sent out from and switched off until the next emergency arises.
    .

  57. “No, she’s an ACTRESS. The GuRetardian has decided that the word actress no longer exists. Please don’t join them in shitting on the English language.” Alan Arsebridger.
    .
    I use both terms interchangeably. Sometimes, one, sometimes the other.
    .
    As Robert De Niro might say, you have problem with that? What? Are you the Guardian of the English Language? I will do whatever I jolly well wish to do with the English language, old boy/old girl/ old transgendered person, and you can’t stop me! So there! Hah!

  58. Mrs Thatcher may have made changes you don’t like in the UK, but she didn’t attack the place with helicopters and chemical weapons. Thatcher is not in the same category as the fascist shithead criminals Blair and Cameron.

  59. Alan Arsebridger

    17 Jan, 2012 - 12:18 pm

    No, I can’t stop you. You can speak of King Elizabeth if you want. You can go to France and get all your adjectives wrong and be misunderstood. Why bother opening your mouth if you’re going to mangle the sense out of the language?

  60. Now, getting back to Thatcher. Personally, you know, we always knew where she stood, we knew what she was, politicaly, she basically did what she said she would do. So I can see why to some – to many- she remains a heroine (see, Arsebridger, Eureka! Through the agency of your sublime, erudite and masterful linguistic ejaculation, I have re-discovered the magnificently gendered English language!). I’ve often thought that, if only we’d had someone of similar strength of conviction on the Left in Britain! We were betrayed by Kinnock/Smith/Blair or rather, we betrayed ourselves via New Labour (and now again, this time via the Lib Dems, which largely is composed of the SDP, aka New Labour-before-New-Labour-was). Those who pretend to be friends and then stab one in the back are far worse, really, than those who were always honest (honest, in this sense only) enemies. And of course, she didn’t do it alone. Her henchmen and later her illegitimate sons (Blair, Brown et al) are equally to blame. They betrayed the working class (i.e. most of us).

  61. Slap my thigh, I never , I am shocked I tell you , Shocked, , shocked I tell you; Nuclear Iran could deter military action, says Isreal.
    ,
    Zionism is bullshit coming through loud and clear, all the brouhaha about the existential threats from Iranian nukes is the fear of zionist may have difficulties in going around killing indiscriminately and mooning the wider world afterwards, all the while swinging their dicks around and shouting out; wuchyo gonna doaboutit?

    ,
    ,
    ,

    JERUSALEM (AP) — A senior Israeli military official says a nuclear Iran could make it tougher for Israel to act against enemies closer to home.

    Military planning division chief Maj. Gen. Amir Eshel says a nuclear-armed Tehran could constrain Israel from striking Iranian-backed Islamists groups in Lebanon and Gaza — Hezbollah and Hamas respectively.

    Eshel said Tuesday that if Israel is “forced to do things in Gaza or in Lebanon, under the Iranian nuclear umbrella it might be different.”

    Israel worries that a nuclear-armed Iran could threaten its survival and has hinted it could strike Iran militarily if international sanctions do not halt Tehran’s nuclear program.

    Iran says its program is for peaceful purposes, such as energy and the production of medical isotopes.

    as per this report

  62. King Elizabeth is good for me. The institution of monarchy knows no gender. It must be toppled! Down with the King of England! Down with the King’s English! Down with the King’s adjectives! At noon today, I declare war on semi-colons! We will fight them on the beaches, we will fight them on the page…
    .
    Thank you, Arsebridger, for reminding the natives of the correct usage of our sacred tongue. It is much appreciated and for such a profound and luminous contribution, may I suggest you for a knighthood, perhaps? Sir Arsebridger of… Or better still, a baronetcy.

  63. Have you noticed that the PR operatives for Mickey Arison of Carnival Corp have cleverly excluded his name from all of the dreadful news?
    {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micky_Arison}
    .
    This is the latest.
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    Concordia Disaster: Hopes Fade For Missing
    The nationalities of the people missing from the capsized Costa Concordia have been revealed, with 14 of the 29 still not accounted for from Germany.
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    Rescuers off the Italian coast are also searching for six Italians, four French citizens, two Americans and three people from Peru, India and Hungary.
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    Four of those missing are crew members and the rest are passengers.
    ,
    Search teams have been using explosives to blast holes in the half-submerged cruise ship but time is running out in the search for survivors.
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    Following the evacuation of the vessel on Friday night, US authorities have been appealing for information about a couple from Minnesota.
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    Jerry and Barbara Heil, from White Bear Lake, were on a 16-day once-in-a-lifetime holiday.
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    The couple, aged 69 and 70, are devout Catholics who spend much of their time volunteering at their local church.
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    /…
    http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16150728

  64. Nuid I too heard that decision of the ECHR. Mrs May is not having any of it though.
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    In a statement, Home Secretary Theresa May said: “I am disappointed that the court has made this ruling. This is not the end of the road, and we will now consider all the legal options available to us. In the meantime, Qatada will remain in detention in the UK.

    “It is important to note that this ruling does not prevent us seeking to deport other foreign nationals.”
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    The British government can make a final appeal before the judgement becomes binding in three months’ time. If it does not appeal, the cleric will have to be released from detention.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16590662
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    She still has Sheikh Raed Salah in her sights for deportation AFAIK.

  65. So funny. Fox News try to dismiss Ron Paul’s results in a Twitter poll.
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    http://www.inquisitr.com/182299/fox-news-anchor-doesnt-seem-happy-about-ron-paul-support-video/

  66. This is how Jerusalem post hysterically reports the story I published earlier as per AP.
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    IDF officer: Nuclear Iran would deter against war in Gaza
    By REUTERS
    17/01/2012

    A nuclear-armed Iran could deter Israel from going to war in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip against Tehran’s terrorist allies, a IDF officer said on Tuesday.

    OC Planning Directorate head Maj.-Gen. Amir Eshel echoed leaders in Jerusalem who argue that c nuclear-armed Iran could create a “global nuclear jungle” and fuel arms races in an already volatile Middle East.

    Eshel made clear that Israel worries that Syria and Lebanon’s Hezbollah militia as well as Hamas in the Gaza Strip could one day find reassurance in an Iranian bomb.
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    ,
    Back to the “everyone will want a nuke if Iran gets one” story, as well as the “terrorists” peppered here and there, although grudgingly and in a step to inflame the “settlers” (zioBBC calls these Vandals, as the reporter asks; are we allowed to say that?) keeps the headline; Nuclear Iran would deter against war in Gaza
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    ,
    In reality a nuclear armed Iran would actually save lives judging by the admissions of these ziobullshit artists, simply through deterring and stopping state of perpetual war waged upon Palestinian civilians.
    ,
    source; Jerusalem Post article

  67. bigbuachaille

    17 Jan, 2012 - 2:55 pm

    Ian Hamiltom of the picaresque heroics in the 50s makes the same point. http://www.ianhamiltonqc.com/blog/

  68. Interesting stuff in Haaretz about Netanyahu’s donors:
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    “One U.S. family is responsible for half of Netanyahu’s donations”
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    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/one-u-s-family-is-responsible-for-half-of-netanyahu-s-donations-1.407485

  69. Had a beautifull Monday off with the missis. Dim sum for lunch and a delightfull afternoon in the renovated Cinema City in Norwich, consuming my xmas present in the form of ‘the artist’.
    I can very much recommend it, even if its just for the antics of a well trained mutt. But the allegories and metaphors of a modernising Hollywood, somebody had found out how to put sound to film, all there in a beautifully made, silent film.
    I was not put off by the occaisional muffled explosion from ‘war horse’ playing next door to our screen, multiscreens are probably not the best for watching this excellent film made in the old fashioned way.
    It is also a good educational film if one would want to teach students the decadent gender inequality and false value’s that underpinned the early film industry. Enjoy.

  70. Ben Franklin

    17 Jan, 2012 - 4:22 pm

    Mary;

    No offense, but your infatuation with Ron Paul is misguided.

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/01/how-ron-pauls-libertarianism-supports-racism.html

    “You can see this premise at work in Paul’s statements about civil rights. In a 2004 statement condemning the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Paul laid out his doctrinaire libertarian opposition. “[T]he forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty,” he wrote. “The federal government has no legitimate authority to infringe on the rights of private property owners to use their property as they please and to form (or not form) contracts with terms mutually agreeable to all parties.””

  71. Ben Franklin: the thing about Paul is that he is the only candidate prepared to take on the banks by reforming the Fed. It is for this reason that the MSM is doing its best to pretend he doesn’t exist. He’s the only one who threatens the money men.
    .
    My humble advice to the American people would be to vote for him once, with fingers over the nose. Give him the opportunity to reform the Fed. If he doesn’t, get rid of him. If he does, say thanks very much and get rid of him.

  72. Ian Hislop and Alan Rusbridger were at the Leveson Inquiry today. Someone was saying that nothing will come of it except there will be a new version of the Press Complaints Commission but with teeth. More like gums or dentures I thought to myself. As Hislop said, all the stuff that has come out were crimes for which the perpetrators should have been punished. Exactly so.
    .
    http://www.levesoninquiry.org.uk/about/inquiry-costs/
    Costs so far £855,000 !!!!!July-September 2011

  73. Timing is all. Believe it or believe it not but Clarence Mitchell of Madeleine McCann fame is representing the sunken liner’s owners, Costa {CrockofShit} Crociere, aka Carnival Corp.
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    Mr Schettino is under arrest on suspicion of multiple manslaughter and abandoning his ship. Clarence Mitchell, who is representing the ship’s owners, Costa Crociere, confirmed the captain had been approaching the island to “make a salute”. He said: “The company says this was caused by an attempt by the captain to show the ship to the port. But there’s a criminal investigation going on and we’re not going to say anything that’s going to compromise that or the captain’s case.”

    .
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ships-captain-was-showboating-admits-cruise-firm-6290685.html

  74. Think I know where Ben Franklin is coming from. Probably summoned when Craig posted his piece about Ron Paul.
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/01/the-ron-paul-effect/

  75. FEH!! it should’ve been TILDA SWINTON!!

  76. Ben Franklin

    17 Jan, 2012 - 6:32 pm

    Mary;

    Is there a reason you address me through others?

  77. ‘They were not “mistakes”!!!, they were very carefully planned and excuted by some very evil people, things were meant to be the way they wanted things to be. They knew what they were doing, we are all just pawns on a big chessboard, puppets on strings.’

    In hindsight it’s possible that the feasting on borrowing/lending and removal of currency transfer abroad may have had a political motive, viz to demolish the Soviet Union.
    .
    Nobody seems to have stopped for a hiccup before they turned the same policy towards the task of destroying Islam.
    Our government is now suing for peace in Afghanistan and commissioning AlQaida (if it exists) to fight proxy battles for Africom colonial expansion in Africa.
    .
    Deregulation was not in itself the problem. The real problem is that government sought to increase freedom for Western culture while decreasing freedom in Muslim cultures. The transfer of power from the ageing Muslim dictatorships to AlQaida draconian Islam will reduce personal freedom to zero.
    .
    Zionism is now actively seeking to create a version of Islam which no sane person will ever embrace, and most sane people will run away from, an Islam based on lying , spying, and double-standards of justice between the in-group and out group as defined by the torture-maddened Mullahs put in power by the UKUSIS Western governments.
    .
    As with Mrs T’s reforms, these guys, Obama, Cameron, Fox or Hague know exactly the evil of their strategy and they are labelling it as a popular , Arab Spring. Contents: 100% USUKIS Urine

  78. Ben Franklin: I entirely agree with you about Ron Paul. He’s one racist, bigoted old “let ‘em starve!” style advocate of laissez-faire type capitalism who lives in a fantasy world, where every last item of government protection for civilians should be done away with. He doesn’t believe in society, in other words. His supporters catch on to a few of his policies that are useful, but this is where government should butt out of people’s lives anyway (eg, prostitution, drug-taking and military adventurism). All his other policies are total poison.

  79. Ron Paul’s foreign policy is all he has going for him and it sounds very attractive to me as a non-American — but if I was an American, I’d run a mile from him and his “let em starve” policies. (Having said that, he wouldn’t have the power to put half of what he talks about into practise, surely? Reform the Fed? On his own?)

  80. “Reform the Fed? On his own?”
    .
    If he was serious he could use an Executive Order.

  81. Hello all, I thought I’d mention, for those that know; my old dog Shiboo died yesterday. I called out the vet who administered a lethal injection. A friend and I buried Shiboo today; we finished just as Sirius was rising. I’d had him since June 1995; I think he was about eighteen. My thanks to various people here for their support.

  82. Clark, really sorry to hear that, I know how you are feeling.

  83. Clark, sorry to hear about your pet, Shiboo. They become part of the family. Dogs are trusting, faithful and welcoming, and if more people gave them a home there would not be so many put down at dogs’ homes. Somewhere there is another one waiting for a good home.
    .
    On another topic, also off topic, this is the best thing I’ve read today.
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    http://articles.boston.com/2012-01-16/news/30632428_1_david-coombs-wikileaks-state-hillary-clinton

  84. So sad to hear your news, Clark. I too know how you’re feeling. My cat was 18 when I had to do the same. It’s hard.

  85. Sorry to hear that Clark.Can’t have been easy.All the best mate.

  86. Clark: Sorry mate. It sounds like we’re being self-indulgent going on about pets, but they are actually members of the family, completely dependent on us and we see them every day – they’re part of our lives.
    .
    We lost a dragon last year, a rescue pet nursed back to life by the misses and lived with us for nearly a decade, who’d been ill for a few months. It was a pretty damned sad time all round, particularly knowing he was slipping away all the while. Of course it’s not as bad as losing a wife, child, parent or friend – but all the same, a member of the family is lost, and we miss him.

  87. http://crookedtimber.org/2012/01/17/goodbye-labour/

    “In an attempt to demonstrate their credentials as the takers of “tough decisions”, British Labour leader Ed Miliband (whom I backed as leader) and his shadow Chancellor Ed Balls have been telling the world that a future Labour government can’t guarantee to reverse Tory public expenditure cuts, and favour a public sector pay freeze, and even pay cuts for public sector workers (to save jobs, apparently). Well it is a funny world where a sign of your toughness is your willingness to pander to the right-wing commentariat. Of course I understand that a future Labour government will have to cope with the world it inherits and that difficult choices will have to be made. But in the interim, people are fighting to stop the coalition from vandalising Britain’s public services and punishing the poorest and most vulnerable. Faced with Miliband and Balls “signalling” (or whatever), those negotiating to defend workers will be told by their managements that “even” the Labour leadership concede the necessity for cuts and concessions. This simply cuts the ground from under the feet of trade unionists and campaigners. It also validates Tory policies in the eyes of large parts of the electorate. Well they’ve made their choice and I’ve made mine. It is a small one, and Ed and Ed won’t even notice, but I have left the party.?

  88. Ben Franklin
    They wont care, because there is no more options than voting for one of three parties. Sometimes i say what is the difference btwn soviet style rule and present british ruling. Soviets had one party, you have three parties with one direction. Soviets had one snake with one had, you have three snakes conjoined in one head. Appalling part is they are trying to spread democracy around the world while they are the ones who need to establish democracy back in their countries.

  89. Glenn_UK
    ‘His supporters catch on to a few of his policies that are useful, but this is where government should butt out of people’s lives anyway (eg, prostitution, drug-taking and military adventurism). All his other policies are total poison.’
    .
    If government’s role is to butt out of these private matters, and they have spent 10 years fighting the Taliban on a moral cause to give freedom to Afghanis from the Taliban butting in, why is NATO commissioning AlQaida ( if it exists ) operatives to fight proxy wars in Libya and soon Syria? Why is Abu Qatada enemy no. 1 by old rhetoric, and Libyan rebels filling their bank accounts with CIA funds?
    .
    I have been a Muslim for about 14 years and I became disturbed in 2005 that brothers had hacked into my computer for spying. How big was this invasion of privacy and was it official or individual spying. My first wife was one of those ladies about the joke was written: I never knew my wife liked football, until I realised she was sleeping with most of the football team. She managed to get my children molested in the sexual steamhouse she created in my house after I had gone and still had enough friends in high places to get herself appointed as a vicar on a cushy £18K salary. Nice work if you can find it. House and expenses included.
    .
    Anyway this experience did leave me somewhat morally flattened and I did look at the occasional porn. When the brothers started spying on my computer I was determined to find out what was going on. 5 Years later I am being blackmailed by them with photos of myself taken by them from my mobile and with computer hacking. Am I feeling intimidated? Not at all, because their intrusion into my private life has been as difficult to cope with as coping with the antics of my ex-wife.
    .
    Needless to say, these guys are the supporters of Abu Qatada and his ilk, the Belhadjs who the left-lobe of government William Hague etc are putting to power in the Middle East, while the right-lobe of government is still locking them up in Long Lartin, (creepy place where I have once been as a summer school teacher).
    .
    For all I know Abu Qatada has every right to advocate jihad against Western governments for what they have done in Muslim countries and I probably agree with him. But I don’t agree with this intrusion into civil liberties, when it actually causes people terrible stress and makes their misbehaviour turn into an addiction. Lying and spying and all sorts of undercover malice against individuals is not acceptable in UK culture, and it is most definitely not permitted in Islam.
    .
    That’s why, in my opinion, our leaders are handing over the Muslim countries to these self-appointed leaders. You will not find the traditional imams engaging in these haram things, from any corner of Islam. ANNO, NOW GUANO.

  90. Letter to BBC, posted on medialens.
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    Sent: 18 January 2012 05:41
    To: undisclosed recipients:
    Subject: BBC vetting our news
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    Dear BBC Editors and Presenters,

    This is a copy of a letter I am sending today to Lord Patten.

    Yours sincerely,

    Elizabeth

    . 
    Dear Lord Patten,
    .
    Re: The BBC must stop vetting our national and international news
    .
    On 16th January the Prime Minister of our country welcomed the leader of the Palestinian Authority Mr Mahmoud Abbas to Downing Street. On the same day the Deputy Prime Minister of our country, at his press conference with the Palestinian guest, made the strongest possible statements regarding Israel’s illegal occupation of Palestinian territories. Yet for some reason this was not broadcast on any BBC radio or television news to my awareness.
    .
    To the BBC, it seems, none of this was news. The only news in this regard that the BBC did consider worth reporting was this: “Israel criticises Nick Clegg comments on settlement” http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16585237 (A minor point, but even the headline looks like an attempt to camouflage the real significance of what Clegg said. Why “settlement” and not “settlements”? “Settlement” could mean anything, e.g. an agreement.)
    .
    On 15th January the Secretary-General of the United Nations, in a major speech he delivered in Beirut, called on Israel to end the Occupation of territories. Here is the official UN transcript: http://www.un.org/apps/sg/sgstats.asp A google search for this speech on the BBC News website brings up absolutely nothing. His comments did get a brief mention on Radio 4′s 1600 gmt news bulletin on that day, but the only part to be singled out was that relating to Syria.
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    The following morning, on Monday 16th January, the “Today” programme conducted what can only be described as a sycophantic interview with Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Mr Danny Ayalon, on the phone from Manchester. The presenter squandered a superb opportunity to seek an Israeli reaction to the Ban Ki-man speech. Almost the entire interview turned out to be a platform for Mr Ayalon to conduct an attack on Iran without any indication being given by the presenter that an Iranian spokesman would or should be given the right to reply – something that surely is a basic minimum if the BBC’s claim of impartiality and lack of bias – to say nothing of institutional prejudice – is to believed.
    .
    The BBC is almost daily entrenching its reputation as an organ for vetting domestic and international news in such a way as to save Israel’s blushes. This is no way for such an august institution to behave and it is time it stopped. I hope, Lord Patten, there is something you can do to stop it. Thank you.
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    Yours sincerely,
    . 
    Elizabeth

  91. In a United States of Europe (USE), a ‘United Kingdom’ is as much an unnecessary layer of middle management as a United California, Nevada, Arizona and Utah is in a Untied States Of America.

    The Elite’s agenda is to remove this layer of middle management in readiness for the USE.

    Cameron is a proven pathological liar and his claim to believe “passionately in the union” is no exception to his never ending flood of deceit – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16503307

    Miliband is full of Bovine extremest too.

  92. Sitrep Khyber Pass, supplies for ISAF, oil and copper for China.
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    http://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Pakistan-To-Tax-NATO-Transit-Supplies.html
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    Separately, Pakistan refused to receive US special envoy, Grossman :)
    {http://www.dawn.com/2012/01/18/pakistan-refused-to-receive-grossman.html
    }

  93. Thatcher: Should not have a State funeral.She did more to divide and impoverish people than any other PM in History.Her policies scarred the North of England and Scotland.Yuppie was just another word for greedy bastard that can’t get enough. She taught us to step on one another for personal gain.Blair was a very able pupil of her mantra.The Falklands was a manufactured war.Totally unnecessary ! She was strong for the south and ruinous for the rest.Dump her at sea with OBL.

    Clark: Sympathies !!´Lost my dog in October. Know what you are going through. 18 years is a fair life for a dog.

  94. The tribal genetic appandage leading to the fatalist notion that there is only the three main parties to vote for, is nothing but an excuse for inaction. This clambering for leaders and the orientation of the media towards them, regardless of their behaviour, the inevitability purveyed to all and sundry is a mere cowardly notion that says ‘Look I can do nothing but vote for those that have screwed the future of my children and are about to really mess it up with another massive war’.

    Utter balderdash and a piss poor excuse for not standing yourself as an Independent, or organise with a circle of friends raise funds, start a local campaing and gain trust. It is that lazy excusing attitude that has cemented these dogmatic parties in their respective position today and which has encouraged the BBC to its depressingly dependent position as backscratcher.
    Unless people wake up and realise that they cannot expect sense to come out of mainstream puppet parties tied to vested interests like sap to a tree.
    Oh, no, too much embarrassment, one could loose face and be laughed at, face difficult questions and/or most likely a biased campaign in favour of these three abysmal failures. Where we are is due to those three parties and their allegiances, self centred greed and to grand personality disorders that resulted in multiple unlawfull mass murder abroad.
    I have come to the conclusion that despite the haqrdship felt by many we are still too rich, there’s too much salt in the butter for many to worry.
    But as Breszinski said,’it will take one massive cataclismic event which will bring the global support of most countries behind our effort’ or similar, one vegetable seller goaded by a jobsworth and the world will change in front of our eyes.
    Sadly it will not happen on its own and without our participation in some kind. Organise, give a choice to the tribally addicted, the genetically engrained lefties and those rightwingers who are not ofee with the imposition of a zionist British foreign policy.

  95. Friends of Israel chatting away to each other yesterday in the HoC. Foreign Office questions. Sections 7 and 8.
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    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201212/cmhansrd/cm120117/debtext/120117-0001.htm#12011733000008
    .
    There was also this supplementary question on the treatment of Palestinian children with the usual pathetic response from Alistair Burt CFoI
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    T4. [89833] Sandra Osborne (Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock) (Lab): In line with the recent report by the UN rapporteur on torture, will the Minister condemn the practice by Israel of holding children in solitary confinement, and will he make representations for the release of the 106 children who remain detained within the Israeli military prison system?
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    The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs (Alistair Burt): We welcome the fact that Israel has recently changed to 18 the age of majority in those territories for criminal jurisdiction, but we have made, and continue to make, representations in relation to children’s rights—the right of audience, the right to interpreters and the like—and from the Dispatch Box recently I said that the practice of shackling children was wrong.

  96. Sorry it’s a link to the Sun. Child abuse in Afghanistan by British.
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    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4068363/Two-British-soldiers-abused-kids-aged-ten.html

  97. Mary, the significant aspect of Hague’s response about the progress made in securing the release of Shaker Aamer from Guantanamo Bay, said it all. She asked if the United Nations ought to get involved and Hague curtly dismissed any such involvement, showing that international law is irrelevant to the UK and US when these countries choose. Before the United Nations came the League of Nations. Countries which disregarded international law when that international organisation was the overseer were Japan in Manchuria, Italy in Ethiopia and Germany in Czechoslovakia. We are the agressors in the world. We have the gulags. The concentration camps are ours. We are the torturers. We are the scumbags of the world.

  98. great letter Mary, be prepared for the apologetic jibberish you get back in response, well, we could open bets as to the time it will take for our priviledged and biased public, sic, broadcasters to respond.


  99. Why is Wikipedia blacked-out?

    ,
    Learn about the evil getting perpetrated so it can be masqueraded as laws.
    ,
    I don’t live in the United States. How can I help?
    ,
    , Contact your local State Department, Ministry of Foreign Affairs, or similar branch of government. Tell them you oppose SOPA and PIPA, and any similar legislation. SOPA and PIPA will affect sites outside of the United States, and actions to sites inside the United States (like Wikipedia) will also affect non-American readers — like you. Calling your own government will also let them know you don’t want them to create their own bad anti-Internet legislation.

  100. Sorry Ingo I should have made it clear that it was ‘Elizabeth’s’ letter copied from Medialens. Her sentiments are the same as mine though.
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    This came through. You can sense that the French, the British and Israel are lusting for more war in Syria as they did in Libya. Dirty tricks to start with.
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    Thierry in Syria – French Journalist killed was Military Intelligence
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKK8-YYTgs4 11mins

  101. Yes John. Noted and agree.
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    Ref this exchange between Andrew Percy and Hague, I thought Hague’s words were important -

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    Andrew Percy (Brigg and Goole) (Con): The Foreign Secretary is right to call for temperance on all sides, but does he agree that it is unacceptable for senior officials and members of the Palestinian Authority to continue to attend cultural events at which individuals call for the end of the state of Israel, and that it is wrong for those officials to support sporting events named after “martyrs”—people who have murdered innocent Israeli citizens?
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    Mr Hague: We do not support any delegitimisation of the state of Israel. +++We are friends of Israel,+++ and we support the right of Israel to exist in peace and security, but we believe that that peace and security is best served by urgent moves towards a two-state solution, and that always guides our policy.
    .

    Percy is a Conservative Friend of Israel naturally, as is Hague since he was a teenager
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    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/andrew_percy/brigg_and_goole#register
    Viz . Overseas visits
    Name of donor: Conservative Friends of Israel
    Address of donor: 45B Westbourne Terrace, London W23UR
    Amount of donation (or estimate of the probable value): £1,239 from CFI; plus two meals provided by other hosts, estimated cost of £100.
    Destination of visit: Israel and West Bank
    Date of visit: 20-24 February 2011
    Purpose of visit: fact-finding political delegation to Israel and the West Bank
    (Registered 17 March 2011)

  102. Russian foreign minister Lavrov just announced that an attack on Iran would have grave consequences for the world and that Russia would not sit by and let it happen.
    Now whatever we hold by this declaration, we cannot deduce from it that its fine to go ahead with ww3 lite, because now we know its not going to be like that.
    US forces in the Gulf of persia are prolific and over bearing, Bahrain their naval base is in turmoil and its shia’s are goaded with pathetic court cases dealing with the inhumanities of its rulers and their Saudi neighbours.

    It can only be a matter of days now.

  103. Clarke in scrapping the Gibson Inquiry. Another inquiry (cover up) into the rendition and torture in Libya of two men will follow.

  104. Clarke is scrapping….
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-1661451
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    January 2012 Last updated at 13:12

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    UK rendition and torture collusion inquiry scrapped
    A controversial inquiry into allegations of wrongdoing by the UK’s security services is being scrapped.
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    Justice Secretary Ken Clarke said the inquiry into the treatment of detainees could not continue because of Metropolitan Police investigations.
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    These follow fresh allegations that officials assisted the rendition of men to Libya, where they were tortured.
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    Mr Clarke said the government was committed to holding a judge-led inquiry once these were investigated.
    /….

  105. Uzbek in the UK

    18 Jan, 2012 - 1:42 pm

    Ingo,
    .
    What can Russia effectively do if US attacks Iran? I see no Russians (either generals or citizens) rushing to war with US and NATO and all because of Iran. They (Russians) even swallowed partition of Sebria that was the only real Russian ally remaining in Europe.
    .
    For Russia another war in Gulf resulting to increase in oil and gas prices is like Christmas present, do not you think? Lavrov of course is playing his Foreign Minister role but all odds that Russia will swallow another war. The only contender that could have challenged US is China, but it is not yet ready to do that.

  106. Hello Clark, my condolences to you for the sad loss of Shiboo. I have taken animals in from the street for much of my life and when they die my heart breaks BUT there are so many abandoned dogs that need a home. Clark, when you are feeling stronger and stop crying your weight in tears, find it in your heart to give another dog a home. Shiboo would love you for it.

    In the meantime I hope this little chap makes you smile. xx

    God Bless Shiboo.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeKSiCQkPw

  107. Uzbek in the UK

    18 Jan, 2012 - 1:52 pm

    Mary
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    What else Clarke and his Tory mates could do? They (like their nice Tory gentlemen grandparents before them) are trying to cover up all shameful arguments about robbery, torture, colonisation etc. There will always be legal means to do this when legal system itself is serving to cover ups.
    .
    Sending people back to where they will definitely be tortured is something that UK and US intelligence services have been doing openly and to prove it one does not even need an enquiry. There are thousands of indications leading to direct cases and direct victims and potentially hundreds of court cases could be made against both US and UK authorities.
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    Mr Murray himself has provided some evidences to support UK involvement in rendition and using evidence obtained from torture by brutal regimes.
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    Why not start suing authorities? Is it doable?

  108. Uzbek in the UK,
    Did you come at this “conclusion ” all by yourself, and a feeling in your water?

  109. Excellent analysis by David Cromwell and David Edwards.
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    January 18, 2012
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    Selective Outrage – Iran And Libya
    News that a fourth scientist in two years, Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, had been assassinated in Iran by an unknown agency generated minimal outrage in the press.
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    http://www.medialens.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=661:selective-outrage-iran-and-libya&catid=25:alerts-2012&Itemid=9

  110. Uzbek in the UK

    18 Jan, 2012 - 2:03 pm

    Passerby
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    If you knew a thing about Russia and used ‘grey substance’ in your head instead of saliva of your tongue, you could have come to similar conclusion.

  111. Ingo,
    Funny how warmongers try and discount any negatives (WWIII), whilst emphasising the positives of their wretched enterprise.
    ,

  112. Uzbek in the UK,
    can you divine what I know, now?

  113. Uzbek in the UK

    18 Jan, 2012 - 2:12 pm

    Passerby
    .
    I cannot divine but I can conclude that from all your previous posts regarding USSR or Russia, your knowledge of Russia and USSR are quite limited or biased.

  114. Clarke
    I like dogs, when they are polite and do not touch my clothes.
    .
    Clarke, Ken. Two things come to mind, the first about shoes and Muslims, and
    the second about Clarkes and Quakers.
    The swiftest route to pacificism is obviously to deny that wars, rendition, etc have ever happened.

  115. @Clark – very sorry to hear about Shiboo, my condolences. Hope you are well.

  116. Uzbek in the UK

    18 Jan, 2012 - 2:16 pm

    Advocating war and arguing that Russia will not rush to help Iran but will instead wait and see and quite possibly benefit from increased oil/gas prices are two different arguments. And if one sees no difference between those arguments, one is either extremely biased or extremely arrogant.

  117. Supreme Justice Jackson maintained; whence any government adopts criminal conduct as standard, ultimately citizens of the said government will follow suit.
    ,
    gang tortured householder during burglary . On the day that we find 2 UK soldiers in Afghanistan have been molesting ten years old Afghan children, we also learn of the gang who tortured their victim for the code to his safe.

  118. Uzbek in the UK
    You are back pedalling, you have always advocated war with Iran, oodles of your comments indicate thus.
    ,
    Further, you are down playing the dangers of WWIII to facilitate your advocacy for war on Iran.

  119. Uzbek in the UK

    18 Jan, 2012 - 2:56 pm

    Passerby
    .
    Yet again you are ‘salivating’ an argument. Where and when exactly I advocated war with Iran or any war on this matter?
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    My Iran related arguments were that contradictory to your (and some others) arguments Iran is neither democracy nor Iranians have better standards of life that people in the UK. I have never argued that either Israel or US have any right to attack Iran but it is also true that at present Iran has no real allies with whom it can establish common defence union and this is not least due to the theocratical nature of Iranian government.
    .
    As for WWIII, in this interconnected and interrelated world it is hard to imagine conflict like this. China for example is as much dependent on US as much US dependent on China and the same applied to the rest of the world. World economies today (at least economies of world’s major players) are divided onto few categories, natural resources exporters, major goods producers, major intellectual developers, major money borrowers and the rest (poorest 2 billion). All of them including the last category are dependent on each other. Some are stronger in one area and weaker in other. With conditions like this and with at least 9 nuclear nations it is hard to imagine scenario of WWIII.

  120. Gentlemen, please. Off course Russia will not respond in kind or go into a fullscale reprisal, but it will have made certain arrangements with China. Russia is only now throwing money at the problem of a deteriorating naval standard, many of its ships are old. I have not much knowledge of the state its intercontinetal capabilities are in, but this does not mean Russia will support a protracted war near its sore underbelly, an already war torn Caucasus.
    If there is an escalation with China annexing Taiwan, then we do have a melee and a problem of a mobilising China.

  121. Uzbek in the UK

    18 Jan, 2012 - 3:27 pm

    Ingo
    .
    Well Russians own behaviour in Caucasus makes one think twice whether or not Russia is seriously concerned about peace in that region. My referrals are mainly about Russian militarily, technical, economic and political assistance to Armenia with which Azerbaijan has serious border problems. To this one can add Russian assault on Georgia as well as general Russian policy in mainly Muslim populated Northern Caucasus. Some (even Russians) suggest that Russian behavior in Northern Caucasus at present is much worse (or cruel) than 2 centuries ago who when Russia was first colonising the region.
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    As for China, Taiwan of course remains Chinese major target that will probably be first one when China is ready for the superpower challenging role but at present it also seems that China is less concerned with it than with some other inter-China issues and not at least with disproportionate economic development that despite skyscrapers rise in Shanghai western provinces in China remain economically underdeveloped, factor that is contributing to the inter-ethnic tensions among others.

  122. Uzbek, Russia has fought wars in the Caucasus for 400 years and it will not change until these regions govern themselves proper. It is Russia’s sore underbelly and it will erupt, most likely, if Turkey and Iran are involved in a war, would you not agree?
    As Craig said its all about timing. Clarke’s scrapping of the Gibson inquiery will save us some money which would only be spent for yawning at each other, its in the long gras and this Govwernment has failed to dismiss the claims of Torture, whether its by association or hands on, it is on the receiving end and stepping backwards, more perfidious obscurrance and cover ups.

  123. Ingo,
    Russia time and again has stated that she will not sit idle and watch Iran get attacked. Also Russia has indicated an attack on Iran is a threat to Russia’s national security.
    ,
    Further, as the events in Pakistan have shown, China is already at the lugger heads with US, and given the fact that Pakistanis have blocked the routes for NATO supplies, and US cannot retaliate and the situation is dragging on, is a validation of this line of thought.
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    In addition, there is an over whelming false confidence that US “superior” military equipment will prevail. History however stands witness to the contrary; Korea 1950, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, all are indicative of US initiating war and getting the hell out of Dodge, once the going gets tough.
    ,
    Iranians are not the push over Uzbek and co would like to make, fact that Israeli US manoeuvres have been postponed, and Barak is talking about; any attacks on Iran are “far away”, etc. shows that US is not prepared to engage Iran militarily.
    ,
    However, as Craig on this blog, and others elsewhere have published, there is a core body of hired lobbyists and propagandists who are bent on creating tensions and war, with the aim of furtherance of the zionist project. This line of argument is corroborated by the panic besetting Maj.-Gen. Amir Eshel as set out in my earlier comments in this thread.
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    Fact that we already are aware of the murky and filthy process that belies the foreign policy of UK that is echoed in the words of the BICOM director Lorna Fitzsimons; “public opinion does not influence foreign policy in Britain. Foreign policy is an elite issue. To find the unconscious drivel in support of war on Iran, and or the plethora of nuanced; “regime change”,”sanctions” etc. which mean the same as initiating war on Iran, is to say the least annoying to the nth degree.
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    Fact is US is an untethered bully that cannot stop going to war, given that approximately 94 percent of its expenditure of it budget is on wars and military, which brings about a heightened danger of WWIII, especially in the light of the latest developments in the Missile Defence Shield program.
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    This latest development in effect makes sure US remains immune from any potential missiles strikes which means bye bye Russia, and China too. This policy can only have one conclusion, strike the US before she manages to complete the program, in this climate any war on Iran is the trigger for WWIII.

  124. Uzbek in the UK

    18 Jan, 2012 - 4:18 pm

    Ingo
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    I indeed agree with you and unfortunately nation building problems in Caucasus is yet another argument supporting the case of those who argue that decolonisation has produced even more severe problems than colonisation itself. Another reason is also that Caucasus as well as Central Asia and Afghanistan served as buffer zones between Russia and other empires (Caucasus even for longer than the last two). Self-government and nation building in such circumstances had been and will be opposed by Russia until Russia is ever capable of projecting any sort of influence over these regions (and Caucasus in particular). Whether there is a peace or war certainly contributes to the developments in Caucasus but for Russia the major objective in this is not allowing Caucasus to be self-governed and it case of peace and positive developments towards self-government in Caucasus, Russia itself will most certainly contribute to a conflict or conflicts thanks to some frozen and potential problems in the region.
    .
    And here is another counter argument, in case if both Iran and Turkey are involved in large scale and long lasting conflict Russia will also benefit from this. As this will leave only Russia and its energy distribution line sole provider of energy to Europe. Is not what Mr Putin and his cronies dream about?

  125. Uzbek in the UK

    18 Jan, 2012 - 4:38 pm

    Passerby
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    Sometimes I wonder where have you been for the last 60 years? There have been much more serious conflicts and militarily involvements of both US and USSR and even China that could have BUT have not resulted to WWIII. From 1945 until 1949 US has been sole holder of nuclear weapon and USSR has been US’s most vital enemy BUT no whole scale nuclear war. In 1950th US was able to deliver nuclear warheads by ballistic missiles while USSR was only developing its ballistic missile programme and yet again NO whole scale nuclear war. In 1960th US had twice more nuclear warheads than all other 4 nuclear powers and yet again NO nuclear war.
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    In the circumstances where others have nuclear warheads capable to kill 5 billion people in few seconds it is very hard to imagine someone pushing nuclear button even when all odds are that your own nation is protected by super advanced shield. Unlike many failed and contradictory theories nuclear deterrence despite its low moral standing has proven to be working in practise.

  126. Uzbek in the UK,
    You are in denial, and have no idea.
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    Iran has no real allies with whom it can establish common defence union and this is not least due to the theocratical nature of Iranian government.
    What does this suppose to mean? Isreal is a theocracy, why do you support it?
    ,
    ….. this interconnected and interrelated world it is hard to imagine conflict like this
    Do you think Chinese and Russians are stupid? Buying into this kind of drivel?
    Take a look at the map and see why US is fighting the world over.
    ,
    Finally for a provincial pots, your outlook is rooted at ye Olde World, and nowhere near the 21st century. Hence, always look on the bright side of life, de dum, dum dee…..

  127. 18 Jan, 2012 – 4:02 pm
    Costa Concordia captain ‘says he tripped and fell into lifeboat’
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9022170/Costa-Concordia-captain-says-he-tripped-and-fell-into-lifeboat.html

    .
    In the same vein as ‘ it was the rock that dunnit’ and ‘it was the rock that moved’ or ‘the rock was not there before’.

  128. Israeli propaganda officer boasted of taking UK Labour Students partying in Tel Aviv, deletes Tweet
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israeli-propaganda-officer-boasted-taking-uk-labour-students-partying-tel-aviv

  129. ‘Approximately 1,300 Iranian university students have applied to switch their majors to the field of nuclear sciences following the assassination of a top nuclear expert in Iran, a government official reportedly said late Monday.’
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/scientists-murder-iran-students-switch-majors-official/story?id=15377748#.Txb536U5KK9

  130. Uzbek in the UK

    18 Jan, 2012 - 5:05 pm

    Passerby
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    I presume that you have at least some amount of ‘grey substance’ in your skull as you are capable of typing, reading and somewhat arguing. Can you please just realise that I DO NOT support Israel or even US and particularly their militarily policy. Have I ever stated my support to Israel? Why did you come up with this conclusion?
    .
    Well, the world is certainly much more interconnected and interrelated than it has been ever before. There are no extreme idealogical contradictions, all major players are engaged in profit making and robbing those who are not capable of securing their wealth. China produces goods for US and EU for a cheap price so that Americans and Europeans could afford expensive mortgages to make greedy bankers richer, then China buys US dollars and Euros as their major reserve currency lending US money for further wars and robbery, Russia sells Europe gas and oil and Russian elite invest laundered billions to European Hedge Funds.
    .
    This and many other factors make me believe that YES world is much more interconnected and interrelated than ever before.

  131. Gloating on the barbarity of the attack on Libya by ZBC’s Mark Urban. Almost orgasmic.
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    18 January 2012
    Inside story of the UK’s secret mission to beat Gaddafi
    By Mark Urban

    Diplomatic and Defence editor, Newsnight
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16573516

  132. Clark, Rocki, I saw the talking dog before and found it very amusing. Thought this might cheer you up too. It’s one of my dogs, Max, taking instructions from his lazy master.
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    http://youtu.be/G5e_sxFVXoc

  133. Uzbek in UK : Have you lived in Iran, or you are just repeating what is in the western media. Do you know that state pension in Iran is higher than that of UK? (and the prices a lot lower). Iranian do enjoy a good standard of living, many of universities are almost free, (there are many many private but well afforded universities as well). As for the democracy , can you tell me where in the world we have democracy? you do not call what we have in the west is democracy?? difference is we have acceptable corruption here, let’s not kid ourselves. Iran is much more democratic that any of the Middle Eastern country, as much as I dislike the present government of Iran, give me that to any of the European one any day.

  134. I think the big problem here is that you get this negative propaganda in the west and you choose to believe it. Believe me only a fraction of it is true.

  135. Brighter dog than mine John. She couldn’t open anything except a bag of dry dog food.

    .
    I saw you had uploaded this. A good reminder.
    Have you got blood on your hands Prime Minister? – David Kelly
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ksL7fkBNM&lc=kQbrGhpoohsFq8etEpbtqsz3SuOSfsN_FAJ9virNtEI&context=C3cdfcc5ADOEgsToPDskJz6fIkKmv5czNff8_JKtWl

  136. Didn’t Norman Angell argue in his The Great Illusion of 1910 that war was impossible, because countries’ economies were so interconnected?

  137. Clark: I am sorry about your dog, losing a pet is such a hard thing, but I thought this little video will warm your heart.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxovXy3iOaY

  138. Mary, the way Blair just stands there dumbfounded. Nobody ever saw Blair stuck for words before or after. The journalist, good of him, asked the question whether Blair had blood on his hands over the death of David Kelly without Blair having prior knowledge. His reaction was almost the same as that of George W Bush when he was told that the World Trade Centre twin towers were under siege.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cTRg-2Zw34&feature=related

  139. I well remember John. Both of the actors were temporarily floored.
    .
    This amused. Get those printing presses rolling.
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    IMF seeking $500bn funding boost
    IMF head Christine Lagarde welcomed the “commitment of European members”
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    The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has said it will seek to increase its resources by $500bn (£325bn) to help stabilise the global economy.
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    The extra money could be used to help countries in the eurozone struggling to pay their debts.
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    But the IMF said it may need up to $1tn “in the coming years”.
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    The $500bn includes the recent European commitment to commit 150bn euros (£125bn; $194bn) to the IMF, the 187-nation body said.
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    /…
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16616829

  140. In case anyone thinks I have not offered sympathies to Clark on the death of his dog, I have e-mailed him separately. Very sad time for him.

  141. Well slightly OT i know but…i got angry reading all the “news” today so i went and listened to Billie Holliday and Jeff Beck at Ronnie Scott’s and i felt much better.Never underestimate the power of music..
    .
    Nevertheless,how predictable the Gibson enquiry has been kicked into the long grass.Most annoying.

  142. Good morning,

    No, the Captain did not say he slipped and fell into life raft that was Clarence Mitchell PR Spin, having watched for the last, almost 5 years Dr.Death spin the McCann story in their favour I know how he ticks, only last night I said it will be the T-Shirts next and sure enough this morning a nation of Italians are wearing them with pride,ALL pointing the finger at the captain who may not have been a captain at all. Next of course will come the fund!

    I am staying close to Giorgiog ex staff member, he has a very different story to tell about Carnival the parent company and those at the top who knew this was a disaster waiting to happen. Now I understand why Dr.Death has been employed-and the question of a possible loss of $96 million dollars at the stock market.

    http://thedisclosureproject-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/2012/01/costa-concordia-responsible-ones_18.html

  143. One of John Pilger’s very moving and powerful pieces about the Chagos Islanders. You have to wipe away tears as you read how they were carted off in a guano freighter and how the Americans rounded up and gassed their dogs. We as a nation should be very ashamed of our collusion in this atrocity and remember that the war on Iraq was carried out using the airbase that was constructed over the remains of the islanders’ property.
    .
    http://www.zcommunications.org/the-world-war-on-democracy-by-john-pilger

  144. My belated but heartfelt sorrow on the loss of your beloved mutt, Clark, please do go and see ‘the artist’, it will cheer you up somewhat. Will you have another companion to share youre time at the keyboard?

  145. Uzbek in the UK

    19 Jan, 2012 - 9:43 am

    Azra,
    .
    You are right that I have not lived in Iran, but have you and most of the commentators here lived in Israel or US? In 21 century one does not necessarily need to travel to somewhere to gain some knowledge about the place. My knowledge about Iran comes from many different sources and not just western media (as some including you suggested here) but also from Iranians themselves. Knowledge of Russian language allows me to read about Iran from very different prospective AND trust me even Russians do not go as far as calling Iranian regime a democracy.
    .
    It is second time you have stated that state pensions in Iran are higher than in the UK BUT yet again you have not provided any source supporting your claim, although I asked about it earlier. Could you please be so kind as to provide me a source supporting this claim?
    .
    Many universities in Uzbekistan are not almost BUT entirely free for some students (Uzbek government provides around 40% of university places for free). Does this make Uzbekistanis better off than for instance Kazakhstanis who pay for university, especially considering that every year 2-3 million Uzbekistanis travel to work to Kazakhstan? And for instance in USSR universities were entirely free for all students BUT at the same time corruption in academia particularly at the admissions stage was somewhat very well known fact.
    .
    As for democracy, it all depends on the perception of democracy. I am not as naive as you might think but at least here we are able to discuss issues freely (on the internet at least), we are able to organise protests without fear of being shot in the head, and at least every 5 years we can vote for whoever we want to vote for. Yes, many people limit their choice and always vote for one of two main parties but theoretically everyone can vote for anyone and what is more important election results like 95.9% voter voted for someone are not known here.
    .
    It seems to one that Iran unlike Saudi Arabia for instance is much more liberal but looking at it carefully one might realise that this all is just an illusion. Can you for instance name me few major factors which differentiate Saudi monarchy from Iranian Ayatollas? And if possible with sources?

  146. BREAKING NEWS:Number of crimes reported to police fell by 4% in year to September 2011, figures suggest
    ,
    BREAKING NEWS:British Crime Survey suggests levels of crime increased in England and Wales last year by 4%
    .
    Strange juxtaposition of conflicting breaking news headlines on BBC website??

  147. Home Affairs Committee report on immigration controls and Border Agency activities following the spat between St Theresa and Brodie which resulted in Brodie’s ‘resignation’.
    .
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-16616411

  148. Uzbek in the UK

    19 Jan, 2012 - 9:59 am

    Fedup
    .
    Concerning politics and diplomacy it is usually quite big difference between what is said publicly and what is agreed behind the doors. There are thousands cases that can prove this to be true. It is obvious that before planning any military offensive against Iran or even Syria US would get an agreement from other major powers on their actions. Yes, Lavrov might still appear with strong condemnation of US military operation but there will hardly be any other support to Iran or Syria from Russian government. The same goes the opposite way. When Russians started their offensive on Georgia US as well as EU widely condemned it but at the same time there have been no other support to Georgia from US/EU considering the fact that Georgia is now short of two of its provinces that have fallen under Russian protectorate.
    .
    Do not always believe that you hear from Foreign ministers whether it is Hague, Lavrov or Clinton their profession is to sell lie on global scale.

  149. Uzbek in the UK

    19 Jan, 2012 - 10:14 am

    Mr Murray,

    I wonder if you watched Newsnight yesterday. If not I would advise you to, particularly the part with Rory Stewart’s arguments.
    .
    I recall reading his arguments in response to your claims of him being a spook. He stated something like that it was not only untrue but also dangerous thing to say. Yesterday he very clearly defended SIS and special forces and their right for cover up operations. He said that every country has secret services and that they usually act in the interests of their country and why UK has to be different. It seemed to me that his arguments very clearly contradicted his early claims.

  150. Rory Stewart and Mark Urban pitched against a woman who had more information than they had last night, Newsnight was an eyeopener to all those who did not know that the MI’s frequent this programme regularly.
    Rory was seen trying to get eye contact with her at all times, but she looked at those she spoke to, he was desperate to brow beat her into silence last night. The whole torture edifice crumbled and they will try everything to stop or delay the inquiery into Belhaj aquisations.

  151. Uzbek in the UK

    19 Jan, 2012 - 11:32 am

    Ingo,
    .
    I would not say that she had more information than they, I would put it that way that she was MUCH MORE honest and based her arguments on higher moral grounds than other 3 including Paxman who was trying to discredit her by repeatedly asking whether or not she believed that Gaddafi was a tyrant.
    .
    Overall, it was nice to see how almighty geek Stewart was looking rather like a worm pressed by hard arguments. It was obvious that he lost an argument when at the end he accepted that British secret services cannot torture people.

  152. She was brilliant in her outspokenness. Stewart’s body language throughout was weird.
    ,
    She doesn’t get mentioned in the blurb. Only Urban and Boris’s stupid Thames Estuary airport proposal.
    .
    ‘Also, Mark Urban has the untold story of how British efforts to help topple Gaddafi were not limited to air strikes. On the ground – and on the quiet – Special Forces soldiers were blending in with rebel fighters.’
    .
    As if we did not know as Ms Ramdani says.

    .
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b019x42x/Newsnight_18_01_2012/

    .
    Urban from the beginning above.
    .
    12 mins in for Urban, Paxman, Stewart and Ms Nabila Ramdani. Her truthfulness shines out.

  153. “Charles Taylor ‘worked’ for CIA in Liberia”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16627628

  154. Uzbek,
    This is what you have said:
    “It seems to one that Iran unlike Saudi Arabia for instance is much more liberal but looking at it carefully one might realise that this all is just an illusion. Can you for instance name me few major factors which differentiate Saudi monarchy from Iranian Ayatollas? And if possible with sources?”
    ,
    ,
    WTF are you on there Uzbek? Put that bung down. You keep asking for sources, whilst the only source you have forwarded is “World According to Uzbek”, and the above unconscious drivel proves it.
    ,
    You hit any thread and start peppering it with all manner of comments to all and sundry, all the while slagging off Iran, Islam, any and all Muslim. Further when called upon to account for your unjustified hatred and prejudice you then resort to the troll techniques of; “where was this said, etc.” Why don’t you stop making it up; “never said this and that”. As the above gem like pearls of wisdom prove!! Although sure as the day is long, in the next future threads you will disown these too.

  155. Guest,
    That does not surprise me the least bit. Incidentally I know a crazed guy who actually was acquainted with Charles Taylor’s sons, and he can tell a story or two to grab your attention.
    ,
    ,
    ,
    ,
    Rocki,
    Thanks for the heads up, but what is your thoughts on this sinking lark? Do you think this is an insurance job to get the extra/redundant capacity off the books at the full ratings instead of a written off scrap deal?
    ,
    Mary has been doing a bit of digging on this too, and her links are around the threads.
    ,
    Talking of digging, does anyone know what has happening to Komodo? Has he fallen prey to some upstart lizard and eaten by it?

  156. Uzbek in the UK

    19 Jan, 2012 - 1:01 pm

    Passerby
    .
    Do you actually believe in what you have said ‘all the while slagging off Iran, Islam, any and all Muslim.’. Or is this based on lack of counter arguments?
    .
    Any quotation of me slagging off either Iran (note not Iranian regime), Islam (note not radical Islam in its worst interpretation), any and all Muslim?
    .
    And also, do you think that WTF is appropriate on this blog?

  157. This infuriates me, the anger and disdain I hold the wankers who game the system to stop the progress is clearly on the display;
    ,
    The 130-year-old firm had been trying to sell the 1,100 digital imaging patents it licenses for use in mobile and other devices, as well as printers.

    In 1975, Kodak invented the first digital camera, but the company delayed developing mass production
    ,
    The CEO sitting on all these Intellectual Property, and suppressing the said technology so he can sell more films, and photographic supplies. Patents are good for you!!!

  158. Uzbek,
    You prove you have not said. The WTF is indeed appropriate given the utter bilge you pass as debate.
    ,
    Just re read what you have written instead of sounding all hurt and disappointed;
    “It seems to one that Iran unlike Saudi Arabia for instance is much more liberal but looking at it carefully one might realise that this all is just an illusion. Can you for instance name me few major factors which differentiate Saudi monarchy from Iranian Ayatollas? And if possible with sources?”
    ,
    ,
    You contend Saudi and Iran are the same, other than portraying the degrees of malice what does this LSD induced paragraph tells us all?

  159. Uzbek in the UK

    19 Jan, 2012 - 1:16 pm

    Passerby
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    It is surprisingly for me to discover a part of you that is eager for a progress and intellectual development.
    .
    As for Kodak goes, in USSR (much loved and appreciated by you) such things have happened on a massive scale. The same cars have been manufactured since 1960th despite the fact that whole team of engineers worked hard in order to invent new models and improve existing one. It was all put on hold for years and then for decades as there was no necessity of improving and modernising as market was closed and there we no alternatives for customers. Eventually engineers stopped developing new ideas and were just redrawing old models in order to submit something every quarter in order to register progress on the paper. And the same applied to largely all sectors of the economy with slight exception of military industrial complex.

  160. Uzbek in the UK

    19 Jan, 2012 - 1:31 pm

    Passerby
    .
    Of course there are a lot of differences between Iran and Saudi Arabia but I was referring to the system of power. I personally see no principal difference between institute of Ayatollas in Iran and institute of monarchy in Saudi Arabia, do you? And if yes, (which I presume) can you please indicate some sources so that I change my mind and stop (according to you) talking nonsense.

  161. Uzbek, I am of Iranian origin and go to Iran two/three times a year, I travel, talk to people, listen to the news in Iran, read the papers. Regarding State Pension, few of my own friends and relatives are in receipt of it in Iran as well as here, therefore I can compare, the same with the prices, I can compare what I buy here to the same articles in Iran.

    People who comment about Israel, have not lived there, but if killing/plundering/atrocities are reported from many different sources as well as Israel actually not denying it and justifying it, then you have it. Also we all know the history

    Regarding comparing Saudi to Iran, does Saudi have female MPs? or Minister?
    Do the women have any right at all in Saudi? this is only one l difference. There are many newspaper in Iran who print anti establishment/government articles, yes when they step out of line too much they are closed. I have read with my own eyes in Persian papers articles citizen Khomenai the so called spiritual ruler, and I have watched demonstration when university student were chanting insults at him and yet nobody was shot! Now compare that with Saudi.
    The media here are not that much in their favour either! Look at us we have to go through countless website and blogs in search of truth!

    Talking about education, standard of education is quite high in Iran, it was reported in BBC last year that the graduates Iranian universities in Math and Science are amongst the best in the world and when they attend the Ivey Leagues in the states for their Masters they are often way more advanced than American students, the fact I mentioned the education is not to back any democracy argument but to back the standard of living and education.

    Regarding demonstration, again I am asking you not to take too much notice of the western media, the peaceful demonstration after the last elections were hijacked by moles in Iran. My own cousin who was taking part told me next to her were member of MOK who started becoming quite unruly and throwing stone at the police.
    It is even claimed that Neda was killed by elements wanting to cause problems. Nobody knows the truth but looking at the CIA backed troubles in Russia today I can fully believe that.

    Once again I am not saying Iran is a democracy, far from it, Iran has a long, long way to go in that respect,. What I am saying negative propaganda in the west is exactly what it is “negative propaganda”, ordered by the pay masters.

  162. Craig , take a look at this, is it some kind of joke? Iran torpedo may be responsible for Costa Concordia grounding ? There is so much talk Clarence Mitchell is MI5 anyone else heard this ?

    http://thedisclosureproject-steelmagnolia.blogspot.com/2012/01/iran-costa-concordia-italian-cruise.html

  163. Uzbek : just to add, you were talking about elections, and we can vote who we want. Are you implying that the last elections in Iran were fraud?? If so I suggest referring to the polls taken before the election, Ahmadi Nejad was predicted to win by huge majority, I can tell you also that if there was an election tomorrow, he could very well be elected, he is more popular in Iran than you believe. The only thing is the some of the intellectuals believe the masses do not have the right or brain to choose (does that sound familiar?? I think we have it in here as well!).

  164. ‘Dress rehearsal’ taking place on the Thames today, Royal Marines, inflatables, helicopters, other boats. etc. Sky News reminding us of Alki Ada, Palestinian threats on Israeli athletes, etc etc. Berlin 1936 had nothing on this. Promising the RAF next time.

  165. Passerby I think Komodo is hibernating on a warm sandy beach somewhere.
    .
    A propos of nothing, why are there so few £5 notes in circulation? This morning I ended up with a purse full of £1 coins. Is it to get us frittering them away as they are worth so little now. eg a single cake or bun is now about 70p (14 shillings old money).

    .
    I bought a pair of Clarks leather shoes this morning reduced from £65 to £24.99. Made in Vietnam I noticed when I got home. The Clark brothers must be spinning in their graves.

    .
    ‘Started in 1825, by Quaker brothers Cyrus and James Clark, as a business making sheepskin rugs and slippers, using out-workers in the village, it has expanded to become a global shoe brand, with operations in Europe, the United States and the Far East.
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    For much of the life of the business, the company manufactured its own shoes in Somerset, building several factories in the area. The company’s Quaker ethos made provision for workers’ housing, education and leisure activities, while its keen social conscience kept Street ‘dry’ for many years. Rising costs and low productivity prompted the company to move production abroad, and while shoe design is still predominantly done in the United Kingdom, all manufacturing has now moved to India, Brazil, Cambodia, China, and Vietnam. In 1993, redundant buildings at its Street site were opened as Clarks Village, which includes more than 90 shops. There are also coffee shops, refreshment stalls, and a dining area shared by fast food chains, mostly selling goods at a discount to high street prices.’
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    Wonder what the conditions are like for the nimble handed workers in the Far East?

  166. Mary, your description reminded me of this: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FifstMuTz54/TqxdLRNQn1I/AAAAAAAAHGc/ocmOhqm5zRs/s1600/Bradley+1914.png (by Luter Bradley)

  167. Levantine V good D)

    I omitted to include the Met in the list of participants. Was trying to think of the acronym for inflatables. There seemed to be dozens of them.

  168. That was supposed to be a smiley. Does this work. Hope so.
    http://mail.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/emo49.gif

  169. Rick Perry has dropped out of the ‘race’. What a stupid word.

  170. Rocki,
    That is not a joke. The source is Sorcha Faal a Russian economist, who often writes all manner of propaganda. In fact sorcha faal aka David Booth who shills for the zionists, and co. Memes, keeping the enemy covered from all angles.

  171. Uzbek in the UK

    19 Jan, 2012 - 3:23 pm

    Azra
    .
    Believe me or not I am extremely happy to meet yet another Iranian, even via internet. In both USSR/Uzbekistan and in the UK I have had a pleasure of knowing quite a few Iranians from different places and different backgrounds (I have had even a displeasure of meeting some Iranian officials). I just wanted to clarify this yet one again that my negativism over Iran is related to Iranian government and NOT to Iranian people.
    .
    As stated before my knowledge about your country is not based on BBC/Sky/Sun etc but mostly of what I have heard or read from various sources mostly on internet and summarised by the comparative analysis. Most of Iranians I met share same negativism as well as the view that only if Iran had more liberal system it could have achieved much more both economically and socially. Do not get me wrong that by liberal system I mean regime of Shah but one should be very biased to call current regime as liberal or democratic.
    .
    From here on I will have some comparative analysis with my own country Uzbekistan, so that as we all agree that Uzbekistan is neither democracy nor liberal, it would be easier for me to clarify my arguments.
    .
    You mentioned female MPs in Iran, but do you know that there are number of them in Uzbekistan? There are even female party chairwomen in Uzbekistan and one of those parties led by female was even allowed into the parliament. This alone does not support your earlier claims of democracy in Iran. And also where do you put multiple claims of women discrimination in Iran starting from family and going through the labour law?
    .
    You said that newspapers are allowed certain degree of criticism of the Iranian government, but is this true? What about multiple cases of persecution of journalist? Have they said too much? Have major corruption issues with involvement of top government officials been made public yet?
    .
    As for education I agree with you as most Iranians I met are quite knowledgably in their field but as women related argument goes, it is certain that despite over 60% of university students in Iran nowadays being women only 15-20% of them make it to the employment. As for example I also refer to my own country and in Uzbekistan number of university graduates are much higher than in Kazakhstan BUT number of these graduates successfully utilising their skills in employment is much less. In fact most of the young graduates prefer to emigrate from Uzbekistan in search of better employment opportunities (in absence of official statistic this argument is based on personal observation of those I know). Brain drain was so significant that Uzbek government introduced new (unwritten) rule not to issue official diplomas in the next 2-3 years after graduation but just piece of paper stating name, institution and degree.
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    As for hijacked demonstrations, I have heard it somewhere before. Now I recall. I have heard it from Karimov (president/dictator of Uzbekistan) after he ordered to shoot hundreds of people in Andijan in May 2005.

  172. Uzbek,
    You conflate everything, and come up with a weird world view.
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    First off, what is the definition of democracy so far as you are concerned?
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    Secondly what do you mean with “Liberalism”? (what is it, why should it matter, etc)
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    Thirdly how do economics relate to liberalism, or democracy?
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    You were equating Iran, and Saudi, now you are doing the same with but Iran an Uzbekistan, hence Saudi, and Uzbekistan ought to be the same monarchy system run as Islamic Emirates, is that true Uzbek?
    ,
    PS no wriggling out of first answer the three questions, then address the last part.

  173. Ref the exercises on the Thames, they continue all week apparently. For added emphasis Sky News have had a Professor Silke, expert in terrorism, on and also a Peter Neumann from the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation/Dept of War Studies Kings College. He was quoting Mumbai, London 7/7 and Atlanta.
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    http://icsr.info/page/Peter-Neumann—Director
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    Hype it all up boys and girls and raise the fear factor.

  174. Mary,
    With the bonny lot of foreigners perambulating around during the Olympics all is probable and then some, so we need to be Alert because the country needs Lerts, more than ever before, and best spy on the next door more often in case something has gone unnoticed.
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    ,
    Have you received your invitation for the cake and biscuits on the royal yacht that is getting fashioned out for the flotilla run?

  175. No! To use one of my mother’s expressions, it will have ‘to snow blue ink’ before that happens.
    .
    Anyway we are trying to think of ways to completely avoid both this Jubilee and the Olympics. It will be difficult I know. Did you hear that Ms de Thames of Gardeners’ World fame is seeing to the floral displays on the barge? Theme – red, gold and purple.
    .
    This is Professor Silke, yet another one of these scaremongers embedded in our ‘universities’.
    .
    http://www.uel.ac.uk/lss/staff/andrewsilke/

  176. Uzbek : Thank you, pleased to meet you online too!
    I am not calling Iran a democracy or a liberal. What I am saying that there is lot of exaggeration in the west as to what goes in Iran.
    I do not know about your country, but Iranian women have many rights, no comparable to Saudi at all, . An Iranian woman can initiate and obtain divorce (for many reasons), few of heavy industries in Iran are run by women, Iranian women have had the right to vote for over 40 years, there are female MPs, Ministers , and even a Vice President (previous government).

    Also Iran is in no way comparable to Uzbekistan. Do not forget that Karimov is their bastard, therefore nothing much is said in the west about him and how bad his regime is. There is access to internet in Iran, and you can watch satellite TV, with news channel which are based in UK, USA or anywhere else. You can watch even the channel which Shah’s son or CIA sponsors in USA. Taking into account that the government can stop these (and very occasionally they do! Right now they are blocking BBC in retaliation to the Press TV), I can say Iran is miles ahead of Uzbekistan in receiving information and be allowed to watch critisizm and even insults directed at the government!

    Brain drain due to lack of employment, it is a problem in Uzbekistan or Iran, unemployment is high, whether that is due to the sanctions or population explosion I don’t know (Iran population has doubled since the revolution of 1979), but also there is the fact that the university graduate in the East have much higher expectation and refuse to get their hands dirty so to speak or take a job which they consider is beneath them (does this also sounds familiar! We have the same situation in this country).

    again let me say , I am not saying Iran is a liberal democracy, but it is not how it is portrayed in the west either, with more freedom than you expect.
    I cannot see too much difference in the method MPs/government are elected either! Here they belong to a party, and that party is purchased by corporate or bankers, in Iran is the same! the candidates belong to one side or the other (and believe it or not there are progressive/liberal candidates as well), people are free to choose!

  177. Uzbek in the UK

    19 Jan, 2012 - 4:26 pm

    Azra,
    .
    It seems that Mr Putin agreed with you that CIA is behind rallies in Moscow and that they have also involved one of the last remaining Russian liberal journalists Venediktov.
    .
    I have watched this on Russian TV but here is a link to the news on BBC
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16627415

  178. Azra;

    As an Iranian, could you provide some insight from your perspective?

    Do you find using the internet is hobbled at all by your ISP rules?

    wiki;

    “Every ISP must be approved by both the Telecommunication Company of Iran (TCI) and the Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance, and must implement content-control software for websites and e-mail. ISPs face heavy penalties if they do not comply with the government filter lists. At least twelve ISPs have been shut down for failing to install adequate filters.[10] The state blacklist consists of about 15,000 websites forbidden by the Iranian government.[3] Before subscribers can access Internet service providers, they must first promise in writing not to access “non-Islamic” sites.[11] In 2008, Iran has blocked access to more than five million Internet sites, whose content is mostly perceived as immoral and anti-social.”

    I’m sure there is loads of disinformation our respective countries feed us in the guise of ‘freedom’

  179. Uzbek in the UK

    19 Jan, 2012 - 4:57 pm

    Passerby
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    Well, it feels like I am being questioned by the KGB yet again. It has been long time since anyone DEMANDED answers from me and also only in specific order.

    As for democracy there is a spectrum of differentiations of democracy since it has originated in Ancient Greece. My understanding of it is when citizens are involved in formation of the government (at least) or government decision making on vital issues (would be ideal). By allowing citizens getting involved in formation of government puts government itself at least somewhat responsible to the needs of citizens, and what is even more important LEGITIMISE government in the eyes of its citizens.
    .
    Liberalism is something that is unfortunately almost inexistent in Muslim nations. With slight exception of Turkey, all other Muslim nations can be safely classified as either illiberal societies run by mostly unelected bodies or even dictatorships. It is hopefully that Arab Spring brings some addition to Turkey, but not as yet.
    .
    There is direct correlation of economic development to both democracy and liberalism. Having elected government legitimised in the eyes of its citizens, activities of which are supervised by independent judiciary and media helps to illuminate unwanted waste of both material and human resources. China might be seen as an example but even it proves that only when Chinese government allowed considerable freedom of economic activities only then Chinese economy started to grow. Despite Chinese growth it is believed that due to illiberal and undemocratic government Chinese economy as not as productive as other advanced economies. For instance production of goods in China is 4 times more energy inefficient than in Europe or in Japan but China covers this expense in artificial government subsidising of energy resources and extremely cheap labour not to mention artificial exchange rate of Chinese currency. And issue of legitimacy of Chinese government is also on the table and might in future contribute to instability and as a result economic decline.
    .
    To be honest I see no principal difference between monarchy in Saudi Arabia and Karimov’s own rule. The only exception could be that Karimov kills and oppresses mainly Muslims (even moderate ones who dared to speak or even think against him) due to his fear of religion that he obtained from long serving to Communists masters.

  180. Uzbek, I regularly read Foreign Policy Journal. The contributors are ex politicians, investigation journalists, academics…. What many believe it is CIA and USA financial contributions which is bringing out the oppositions in Moscow in droves.
    We in Iran have not forgotten CIA and UK role in unseating democratically elected government of Iran in 1952!

    They are still up to their old tricks and mischief making.

  181. Uzbek in the UK

    19 Jan, 2012 - 5:12 pm

    Azra
    .
    Not to say that CIA/MI5-6/KGB/Mossad have never ousted any regime even democratic one and I also remember how they ousted government in Iran. But I also quite often travel to Russia as well as have many friends there and believe me Putin is very unpopular especially in Moscow. There have been few rallies in Russia before but far from the size of current rallies and far from the capital and did not attract much attention.
    .
    Despite huge increase in oil and gas prices since Yeltsin left the office average Russians did not benefit from it as much as their elite (at present mostly related to KGB officers). Russians see all this and see that it is becoming quite clear that they will have THE SAME in the next 5 years (at least) and they are becoming quite UNHAPPY about it.

  182. Mary
    16 Jan, 2012 – 10:11 pm
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    He is a disciple of Luigi Di Serio – http://www.infobureau.net – Urgh!

  183. Back to the original post: ‘largely centring around Bannockburn’ — one cannot ‘centre around’ anything; one revolves around something, things are centred on other things. With FCO types making such fundamental errors, no wonder Britain lost its Empire.

  184. I’m just sat through 100 minutes of a 2010 Jean-Luc Goddard film called “Film Socialisme”, in which the first third of the film in shoot on a certain cruise ship; The cruise ship is the Costa Concordia, sailing around the Med., and it’s disconcerting, in a Titanic sort of way, to think that all you have just viewed is now underwater.

  185. “With FCO types making such fundamental errors, no wonder Britain lost its Empire.”

    It wasn’t just bad grammar. The bastards set out to destroy national sovereignty to make way for the non-democratic EU. Promoting the petty nationalisms at the periphery is part of the treasonous programme to chop the UK into convenient chunks for incorporation into the Euro-Fascist superstate.

  186. OK We are back to basics. I like this site because of Craigs honesty , knowledge and wisdom in international and national affairs. But on this local note……
    Are there unconquered Scots with an unbreakable strength, gallant courage, unshakable purpose as belonged to Wallace and his MEN. Will the seed of freedom ever again ripen in young mens hearts . The cynical will think so. Are they unashamed to have allegiance to Scotland only. Is that past and gone? . Forever??. Was that it.?. Have too many been purchased , pacified or intimidated. Was English colonisation that successful and self perpetuating.
    I am asking seriously (as an outsider) . Are my definition of Scots there. I am NOT an FCO type. You are British or Unionist. I would love to hear from REAL SCOTS who do not fear Independence. I would love to know they exist.

  187. UzbeK, I can guess that Putin might be unpopular, the same as Bashir in Syria, or Gaadafi was in Libya, but all the same, I can see the hands of western agency in all of these uprisings or at least fueling these greatly. The affair of a country should be left to their nations. I remember few years ago, a journalist Iranian friend who was approached by American Embassy in Cairo and was asked would she be interested to broadcast from a radio station in Prague (anti Iranian propaganda), she told me she had no doubt it was CIA and refused. Two others a husband and wife team, took up the offer, and now they have been moved from Prague to Washington and are presenter in one of TV channels. I knew of them both, real scumbags, drunk, gamblers, fraudsters. Iranian in Cairo kept their distance from them, but these are kind of people that CIA pay. I respect greatly those sincere oppositions in any country, but there are lot of low lives around for purchase by CIA or other agencies, in Iran as well as Syria, Russia or elsewhere.

  188. and not a word about anti government demonstration in Saudi or Bahrain!
    I just had a message from a friend who was in Bahrain recently and he said the demos are still going on, and the Saudi soldiers are shooting and beating the demonstrators.
    Of course the rulers of Saudi and Bahrain our SOBs, same as dear Karimov, so we better all keep quiet!

  189. Ben Franklin:

    I really do not know about the rules and regulation re internet in Iran, but whenever I have visited Iran, I have been able to access all the websites including news websites, blogs, etc that I normally visit in UK. At one time Facebook was blocked, but from my understanding it is not any more, and I see posts from family and friends almost daily on FB.
    All I can say as an internet user, any government will have a mighty difficult job to block and filter websites as there are hundreds if not thousands of new website created every day!

  190. Dear Jives at 4.10

    Know how you feel – glad you feel better after listening to some music. I do too. Try singing it – even better.

  191. Take care Azra Gonzo dog doo-dah band of CIA.

  192. Hope Craig is OK and hasn’t gone cruising with Costa Crociere! The more I see of the amateur film, I think it is a miracle that more people did not perish. It looks and sounds absolutely chaotic as the people tried to get off. It is the worst publicity imaginable for the cruising industry whatever Mitchell comes up with. Tonight we hear that there was a dalliance going on between the Captain and a Moldovan woman.
    .
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/9026359/Costa-Concordia-mystery-of-blonde-on-the-bridge-of-doomed-liner.html but this might be some more spin to blacken Schettino even more.

  193. Uzbek In The UK said; “…DEMANDED answers from me and also only in specific order.”
    ,
    You have waffled away pretty good there, lots of slogans and sound bites and no sense. Although your definition of liberalism pretty well is in line with the charges of hatemongering and prejudicial outlook levelled at you.
    ,
    Further you homily about don’t take Lavrov seriously, evidently is not all the widely shared;
    Russia warns West it risks war over Syria, Iran
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    MOSCOW: The Russian Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov, has warned outside encouragement of anti-government uprisings in the Middle East and north Africa could lead to ”a very big war that will cause suffering not only to countries in the region but also to states far beyond its boundaries”.
    ,
    That is diplomatic talk for WWIII

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