Work for the UN

by craig on June 17, 2013 10:25 am in Uncategorized

GCHQ and the NSA between them employ tens of thousands of people.  I am bemused by the shock at the “revelation” they have been spying.  What on Earth did journalists think that spies do all day? That includes electronics spies.

Since Katherine Gun revealed that we spy on other delegations – and the secretariat – within the UN building, it is hardly a shock that we spy on other governments at summits in the UK.  For once, the government cannot pretend that the object is to save us all from terrorism, which is the usual catch all excuse.  Nor in the real world is any of the G20 nations a military threat to the UK.  The real truth of the matter is that our spies – GCHQ, MI5 and MI6 – are themselves a large and highly influential interest block within the state.  Lots of people make a great deal of money out of the security state, and this kind of activity is actually simply an excuse for taking money from taxpayers – which is from everyone who has ever bought anything – and giving that money to the “security industry”.

I do not view spying on other governments as quite as despicable as spying on ordinary citizens, which is an unspeakable betrayal of the purpose of government.  Spying on other governments is a game they all play to extort money each to their own security elites.  But I will say that spying on the South African government seems pretty low.  Why?

Interception of diplomatic communications is plainly a gross breach of the Vienna Conventions, even if the forms of communication have changed since they were drafted.  I have never studied the particulars of international law as they relate to spying, but it seems to me an area that in the modern world needs regulation.  There must be room here for the UN to be involved in preparing a Convention to outlaw the interception of international communications, with recourse to the International Court of Justice for those victim of it.

There is more work for the UN on Syria.  We should all be grateful that Russia is holding out against the very dubious western claims that the  Syrian government has deployed chemical weapons.  But while Obama can declare all the red lines he wishes, they do not give any country a right to take action on Syrian soil without UN authority.  That needs to be restated, strongly.  There is no basis at all for the continued and massive Israeli attacks on Syria - they are absolutely illegal.  Israeli strikes have definitely killed more people than the alleged deaths from chemical weapons.  Can someone explain to me why that is not a red line?

The UN Secretary General should be speaking out, and the UN Security Council should be meeting, to discuss the Israeli attacks on Syria.  The system of international law has broken down irretrievably.

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  1. Thanks Clark. I agree and have signed the petition. Soon all our liberties and freedoms will have been removed.

    ~~~

    Legal aid cuts will drive out the best lawyers, supreme court president warns

    Reforms may not produce significant savings as it would result in more unrepresented litigants and longer hearings, says Lord Neuberger
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/jun/18/legal-aid-cuts-supreme-court-president

  2. I was no. 93,318 on that e-petition.

    100,000 are needed for the compulsory debate.

  3. HMG/MoD will not like this Supreme Court ruling. Large settlements will need to be paid. Get B. Liar to cough up.

    Iraq damages cases: Supreme Court rules families can sue
    Families of soldiers killed in Iraq can pursue damages against the government, the Supreme Court has ruled.
    Legal action was brought by the relatives of three men killed by roadside bombs while in Snatch Land Rovers and of another killed while in a Challenger tank.

    [..]

    The families’ claims will now be able to proceed to trial to determine if the MoD owes damages.

    BBC legal affairs correspondent Clive Coleman said the judgement could set out the framework of legal obligations owed by the MoD to its servicemen and women the world over.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22967853#

  4. Not at all O/T:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/22/israeli-american-company-to-drill-for-oil-in-occupied-golan-heights.html

    In which we learn a little more of the politico-commercial conspiracy which would like to reduce Syria to rubble. And possibly why the Russians would like to be there, too.

  5. I am just amazed at what Edward Snowden has claimed about who is, and what he has achieved by his actions, and what The Guardian, his mentor, is continuing to support.

    Snowden has not disclosed anything really new to those who have kept up on the subject, especially reading James Bamford’s books on the NSA; his claiming now that the government will kill him while ignoring all those who were actually killed – what he originally alluded to is – just self-serving hyperbole; Obama has been President for well over four years, so Snowden’s claim that the release of documents was dependent on what the White House did is just more self-serving hype; his assurance that he will always have the public on his side is undermined about what the media and politicians are saying about his behavior; there are many more officials and politicians, besides former Vice President Cheney, who say that he is a traitor and can do something serious about it;: and his claim that he is not a Chinese spy is not convincing as Beijing certainly has the last word on whether he could really go there, and be welcomed.

    The only thing that he said – what certainly should have been expanded by further questions but wasn’t – which was revealing were the data-mining difficulties that NSA had with private encryption systems – what Gareth Williams et al had such a problem with when hacking the lap tops of the Manhattan 11, but Snowden, of course, spared us of any role he may have had in the crucial process.

    Afraid that Snowden, like Ellsberg and Wilileaks’ Julian Assange, is just engaged in a most limited hang-out which will only help his employers in the end,

  6. Flaming June

    19 Jun, 2013 - 1:42 pm

    Kompodo I somehow knew before I opened your link that it was going to be Genie, again. Jerusalem and now Golan. The name came up on a previous thread ref shale oil outside Jerusalem. Jonas with Directors Murdoch, Cheney, J Rothschild etc.

    http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/1220/focus-howard-jonas-idt-rupert-murdoch-cheney-not-just-business.html

    http://www.jewishjournal.com/philanthropy/article/idts_ceo_jonas_not_a_typical_millionaire_20050128

  7. doug scorgie

    19 Jun, 2013 - 1:45 pm

    Kibo Noh

    19 Jun, 2013 – 12:36 am

    Should I be pinching myself?

    G8 statement on Syria includes pledges to:

    Increase commitment to humanitarian aid.

    [Aid for humanitarian disasters caused by western foreign policy]

    Maximize the diplomatic pressure to bring all sides to the table as soon as possible.

    BUT

    Back a “transitional governing body” for Syria

    [Which will exclude the Assad regime]

    Learn the lessons of Iraq

    [But not of Libya]

    Work together to rid Syria of terrorists and extremists

    [We have not been able to remove terrorists or extremists from Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya]

    Condemn the use of chemical weapons “by anyone” in Syria

    [Bravo! But the only side being accused by the west is Assad’s regime which, in my view, is not stupid enough to use chemical weapons]

    …and allow for a UN probe

    [The Assad government has asked for a UN probe]

    Support a new non-sectarian government in Syria

    [But not support for such a government in Saudi Arabia or even Israel (there has never been an Arab member of any Israeli government since its creation in 1948)]

    Hypocrisy can afford to be magnificent in its promises, for never intending to go beyond promise, it costs nothing.

    Edmund Burke

  8. doug scorgie

    19 Jun, 2013 - 1:53 pm

    MPs will vote before UK arms Syrian rebels

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22965829

    Syria: Arming the rebels

    The labour leadership is against this action and although it will be a whipped vote there are detractors in the Labour party.

    “Labour leader Ed Miliband last week asked Prime Minister David Cameron to confirm that “there will be a vote in this House on a substantive motion, in government time, with the recall of Parliament from recess if necessary”.

    Cameron replied:

    “I have always believed in allowing the House of Commons a say on all of these issues.”

    “It was right when it came to Iraq. It was right when we made the decision to help the opposition in Libya, and it would be right in the future as well for that to happen.”

    “Let me stress once again that we have made no decision to arm the rebels in Syria.”

    A bit of history:

    Afghan war

    There was no vote in the commons

    Iraq war

    In 2003 Blair “won” backing for the Iraq war.

    Two things wrong (a) the war had already started.

    (b) the vote was whipped with both the Tory leadership and the Labour government pushing their MPs for the war.

    Libya

    Another whipped vote with both the Labour leadership and the Tory government in favour of intervention.

    And back to Syria:

    “Foreign Secretary William Hague has said the government would not take such action “against the will” of MPs.”

    BUT he has stopped short of promising a vote on a substantive motion.”

    In other words the vote will be NON-BINDING on the government.

    Democracy in action!

  9. Re the legal representation petition. Isn’t this just a bit of tidying up by our Lords and masters?

    Seven hundred and ninety eight years ago Article 29 of the Magna Carter was written into English law.

    “No Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.”

    In reality this comes from another time and another country. The early 21st century has seen a retrenchment to a pre Magna Carter state. Part of the debt we owe to “modernisers” like Bliar and his crew. I hope I live to see these true criminals answer for their deeds.

    I’d like them to have legal representation. As for an appropriate sentence, I hope they not imprisoned at our expense. Rather I would like to see them serve a long stints of community service in, say, Fallujah.

    The e petition currently has 93,455 signatures. Pretty close to the magic 100,000.

    Please sign if you haven’t already.

  10. In case you missed it here’s the petition link.

    http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/48628

    Thanks Clark. (11 31am)

  11. No mention of any of this on the BBC, of course.

    I often wonder are their vastly inflated salaries adequate compensation for the crimes against humanity in which they must collude, or does psychometric testing select only for those of a suitably psychopathic tendency.

    “Previously, when looking at the real underlying national interests responsible for the deteriorating situation in Syria, which eventually may and/or will devolve into all out war with hundreds of thousands killed, we made it very clear that it was always and only about the gas, or gas pipelines to be exact, and specifically those involving the tiny but uber-wealthy state of Qatar.

    Needless to say, the official spin on events has no mention of this ulterior motive, and the popular, propaganda machine, especially from those powers supporting the Syrian “rebels” which include Israel, the US and the Arabian states tries to generate public and democratic support by portraying Assad as a brutal, chemical weapons-using dictator, in line with the tried and true script used once already in Iraq.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-16/mystery-sponsor-weapons-and-money-syrian-rebels-revealed

  12. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 3:22 pm

    A McChrystal buster dies in a fiery crash….his last article. RIP

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/why-democrats-love-to-spy-on-americans

  13. Talking about Law,war,Israel and the BBC.I assume we all saw Storyville on BBC4 on Monday night “The law in these parts”?

  14. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 4:08 pm

  15. Geoffrey 19 Jun, 2013 – 3:49 pm
    “I assume we all saw Storyville on BBC4 on Monday night “The law in these parts”?”

    No. Was it any good?

    It’s available on iplayer. The storyville site is currently advertising next week’s show which may be of particular interest to Craig – “Power, Money, Greed & Oil. How a US energy company developed the first commercial oil field in Ghana’s history.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mfx6

  16. Christ, Ben. Is that for real? Still, it’s heartening to know that he’s a lousy team player, when you look at the rest of the team…

  17. @Ben
    I recall the ‘orrible Andrew Neil sniffingly mocking Rolling Stone, on his daily politics love in, when the Mccrystal article came out. The article was a rare piece of journalism that broke all the club rules.

  18. Here’s a breakdown of propaganda from Brazil. A live tv poll asking “Do you support the rioters” gets rerun because the wrong answer was returned. The presenter says the people must have misunderstood the question. But the vote goes against him again. Hilarious. It’ll surely be rigged next time.

    ww.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IuL890rwNvo#!

  19. “A McChrystal buster dies in a fiery crash….his last article. RIP”

    After reading that, I guess a few people will not be too sad to learn of his death, if not actually relieved.

  20. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 4:28 pm

    Komo/Phil;

    Great reticence to whisper about the strange ‘accident’. The impact was so great the benz engine and tranny found 100 ft from wreckage.

    Again, I ask Obama; “How many Craft employees are on the public payroll in the 50 states?”

  21. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 4:35 pm

    Guardian; See how many comments don’t meet community standards.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/19/michael-hastings-runaway-general-dies

  22. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 4:36 pm

    @ Herbie (08h02) :

    “Listen up, Obama, Cameron and the French bloke:..”

    _________

    The “French bloke”‘s name, Herbie, is Mr Hollande. François to his friends and, more formally, Monsieur le Président.

    Don’t forget!

  23. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!) 19 Jun, 2013 – 4:36 pm
    “@ Herbie (08h02) : “Listen up, Obama, Cameron and the French bloke:..””. The “French bloke”‘s name, Herbie, is Mr Hollande.

    And another colloquilism passes daft Hab by. Personally I laughed me socks off at Herbie’s comment…and some of my best friends are french.

  24. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 4:50 pm

    I wonder why the riots in Brazil – unlike the riots on Turkey, for example – have attracted next to no comment from the Excellences of this blog?

    It is true, of course, that Brazil is one of the BRICs and, therefore, a beacon of hope for a juster society and not part of the evil West/USA axis.

    Whereas Turkey is just a filthy Western stooge – part of NATO as well.

    Could that be the reason, perhaps?

  25. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 4:53 pm

    I think Greenwald and Scahill should grow eyes in the back of their heads.

    http://www.thenation.com/article/171247/petraeus-legacy-paramilitary-cia#axzz2Wg5Q1QIY

  26. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 4:54 pm

    Ah, now I get it! Thanks, that Phil-bloke.

    Herbie was being…funny!

  27. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 5:00 pm

    “At a Pentagon ceremony for his subsequent retirement in 2010, McChrystal made light of the episode in his farewell address. The four-star general warned his comrades in arms, “I have stories on all of you, photos of many, and I know a Rolling Stone reporter.””

    http://news.yahoo.com/award-winning-journalist-michael-hastings-dies-011045748.html

    He was being gracious and philosophical, like any fired General would be.

  28. @Ben
    Blimey, the guardian mods are cleaning up like there’s no tomorrow.

  29. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 5:08 pm

  30. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 5:14 pm

    With all the hdwe and software in today’s cars, I have a question for the techies….

    Is it possible the Benz was tooled?

  31. Flaming June

    19 Jun, 2013 - 5:16 pm

    Why is the BBC correspondent, Kevin Connolly, based in Jerusalem writing this very long piece about the holocaust which is neither topical or relevant to the news? The yellow star is given prominence to reinforce the message. Is this Purnell’s doing?

    Return to Auschwitz:How Israel keeps holocaust memories alive
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22892783

    It has been given prominence on the main page and although new today is top of the features list and on the most read.

    By now, we all know about the holocaust.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/#

  32. poisoned keg

    19 Jun, 2013 - 5:19 pm

    Broken? More like sabotaged.

    Crucial NATO ally Germany is now on board with the world’s definition of the crime of aggression. Sort of complicates US government aggression in Syria and Pakistan and Somalia and so forth. So what does the government do? They infiltrate an Israeli/American agent of influence into the Former Yugoslavia tribunal to rig precedents in an attempt to get command structures off the hook for war crimes. The brass and the Clandestine Service desk jockeys want to make sure that when they commit crimes against humanity, they can hang a couple hillbillies and live to fight another day. Or at worst, they could string up their puppet Obama and promise to mend their ways.

  33. Flaming June

    19 Jun, 2013 - 5:19 pm

    Letter of complaint to Amnesty NI on the absence of Bradley Manning’s name on their placards at the anti G8 rally.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1371652274.html

  34. Flaming June

    19 Jun, 2013 - 6:23 pm

    Komodo. Sorry for the typo earlier. Kompodo. It sounds like something to get a compost heap working.

    Poisoned Keg. Thanks for that link. I was looking at another version of that story on ICH earlier which linked to the NYT.

    President of International War Crimes Tribunal May Have Worked to Shield Israelis From Prosecution
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35307.htm

    Q Who appointed Meron to the court or is that another silly question.

    http://www.icty.org/

  35. @June. 5 19pm. 6 23pm.

    Re Amnesty International and International War Crimes Tribunal.

    Plus ça change……

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

  36. “Is it possible the Benz was tooled?”

    Jeezus, Ben, you think he was killed?
    As you say, Jeremy Scahill and Glenn Greenwald better watch their backs.

    “Blimey, the guardian mods are cleaning up like there’s no tomorrow.”

    They shouldn’t have opened comments if that’s what they were going to do. It’s crazy. Must keep an eye on Twitter and see what’s being said there …

    “Michael Hastings: my friend and his enemies” Spencer Ackerman

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/19/michael-hastings-friend-enemies

  37. Clark, done.

    Did you notice they were trying to justify it by pretending that they were targeting the rich who could afford to pay their own legal fees. Believe me the whole purpose of this is to prevent poor people from getting proper legal representation. There are already too many people imprisoned, not just without having committed a crime, but without even having been charged with one. The terrorism acts need to go. Habeas corpus needs to be brought back. I am sick of the way my country operates a two tier system.

  38. There is no bigger liar on the planet right now than google’s chief legal officer who, surprise, surprise, The Guardian is giving pride of place to spread the disinformation.

    Since I have really been going after our police states, google has steadily diminished what is available on its web site by me, most falsely claims that the little it cites is no different from what it suppresses (some 20 pages of possible reference to some 90 pages overall), and adds how many times I have gone to various ones which interest me, especially most negative ones, in case the spooks have forgotten to keep track.

    Just check for yourself what I have posted with what google says is available.

    The internet linkers are partners in crime with our police state minders.

  39. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 7:51 pm

    ““The probability of a certain set of circumstances coming together in a meaningful (or tragic) way is so low that it simply cannot be considered mere coincidence. ”

    ― V.C. King

    I’m not a big believer in coincidences, Dreoilin. I’m not going to categorically state that he was murdered. I’m going to be interested in his spouse’s comments about his doings and whereabouts on that morning. I’m keeping an open mind, that is, for a cynic.

  40. Dreoilin

    19 Jun, 2013 – 6:57 pm

    “Jeezus, Ben, you think he was killed?”

    Many years ago I was doing some work at the home of a top-notch and, I believe, compassionate and committed journalist. Lunch times became an inclusive affair during which were mulled over the world and how power works.

    I clearly remember asking him what he thought about a journalist who had committed suicide in Brazil while researching a story regarding a well known british arms manufacturer.

    The gist of his contribution to that conversation was that he wouldn’t touch such a story for fear of “suicide.”

    I’ve noticed over the subsequent years that this method of departure seems to be popular with a good many in that profession.

    Some are so thorough that, like Gary Webb, they shoot themselves in the head, twice!

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=314_1324653205

    Rather a long list here. Clearly many, if not most, will be the real thing. Interesting though just how many seemed to be at the
    top of their game.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Journalists_who_committed_suicide

    Regarding Michael Hastings dying in a single car crash, I think all we can do is look at the story and guess the odds.

    Sorry, rather grim.

  41. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 8:03 pm

    The cracks keep opening up. “limited’ use of drones in domestic application. Mueller must sense the hounds will sniff it out anyway.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/306503-mueller-fbi-uses-drones-in-us-for-limited-surveillance

  42. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 8:05 pm

    Can an automobile be remotely controlled, like say, a drone?

  43. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 8:09 pm

    If it were an op, and i was a principal, I would certainly be paranoid about my survival.

    I remember the two FBI triggermen in Boston, who died while rappelling off a chopper, falling 70 feet into the ocean.

    Triggermen are the first to follow the target into the next life.

  44. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 8:10 pm

    I’ve said enough about this for now.

  45. Had a dream last night, and Jorg Haider said it could happen to a souped up, armored Volksvagen coupe, so I guess Benz mechanics could do it too.

    Liked the photo of my SS pin-up boy too. Would suggest, though, that the tailors take it in a bit – makes him look too insignificant.

  46. Kibo Noh,

    I take your points. Indeed. And Ben.

    The people who might want to see Michael Hastings dead would most likely be gung-ho military types who remained loyal to McChrystal, no? I haven’t read everything that Hastings wrote (which includes at least two books), but I don’t know (for now) any reason that the Obama admin might be after him.

    I know nothing about remotely controlled anything, but I assume that if they can do it with planes, they can do it with cars …

    God love him. Only 33. And so badly burned that I don’t think he’s been officially identified yet. RIP.

  47. Michael Hastings RIP.

    Acording to eyewitnesses the car jacknifed,exploded and hit a tree.

    Which is pretty rare in a car..about as rare as outing a 4 Star General who gets sacked due to the article…

    Remote controlled cars Ben?

    Anything mechanical can be remote controlled.Been this way for decades.

    Cars,planes,drones…people too (MK-Ultra).

  48. Dreoilin,

    I think it far more likely a vengeful McChrystal and some of his invisible black op private army goons might be likelier candidates than Obama’s crew for such a job.

    Just sayin’…

  49. Did you notice they were trying to justify it by pretending that they were targeting the rich who could afford to pay their own legal fees. Believe me the whole purpose of this is to prevent poor people from getting proper legal representation.

    Most of the criminal bastards are getting sprung with the help of legal aid. These rascals get free smart arse solicitors who can turn the juries against the prosecution and spring their criminal clients. No legal aid, no solicitors and no solicitors more convictions, that is if the said criminal is not a bankster, because as we all know banksters are “honourable chaps” and a quiet word in their ears over an expensive dinner in a posh restaurant would suffice .

    What is wrong with convicting the bastards and putting them into prison?

    BTW has anyone noticed how difficult it is to find a solicitor who will pick a civil case these days?

  50. Hit a tree THEN exploded and it’s not that rare. One third of all fatal car crashes in the US, that’s about 12,000 a year, involve just one vehicle.

    Never let facts stand in the way of a conspiracy theory eh?

  51. If you are serious about an assassination, I would start with another general, General David Petraeus, who Hastings tore apart on CNN.

    And remember that Petraeus had been totally compromised by that Mossad woman, Paula what’s-her-name.

    Has Pardo just shown that he is a worthy successor to Meir Degan, and if one assassination proves most successful, don’t forget to try it again.

    Certainly Israel had no use for Hastings.

  52. “Hit a tree THEN exploded”

    No. Exploded then hit a tree. Please pay attention.

  53. And remember, Kempe, that every car is not a Ford Pinto, and even some of them would only explode if they were hit from the back.

    Conspiracies happen all the time, and one should not allow their political preferences or religious predilections get in the way of any facts.

  54. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 10:20 pm

    I happen to have the benefit of local news and a they showed video of the tree (palm) which as still standing and had but a few scorings (minor) on the low trunk.

    Secondary collision?

  55. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 10:22 pm

    “I think it far more likely a vengeful McChrystal and some of his invisible black op private army goons might be likelier candidates than Obama’s crew for such a job”

    If it is a job, that would be my guess, Jives. That’s why I’m asking about how many Craft employees (former mils) are on the public payroll in the US.

  56. Michael Hastings certainly did not hold back.

    His output on BuzzFeed
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings

    and a tribute.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/missing-michael-hastings

    RIP.

  57. @ Habbabkuk

    ‘I wonder why the riots in Brazil – unlike the riots on Turkey, for example – have attracted next to no comment from the Excellences of this blog?’

    Maybe they see no point in posting that the sky is blue.

  58. Ben,

    Craft..yes….nice Freemasonic name.

    Interestingly,although they were all over the Boston bombings not one mention of them in the MSM.

    They have a nice line in fashion too…lotsa patches and logos of bleeding skulls etc…very junior high school imagery really but gung ho boyzzz like their adolescent iconography i guess…

    So who are Craft one must wonder…a private army?mercenaries? extra-judicail police force?..or just a psy-op gig to spook the public?

    Are they legal? Do they exist? Do they pay tax? Is there an audit trail?

    All very shadowy…but it’s a growth indu$try no doubt.

  59. I must correct my earlier post about an eyewitness account.

    Accordingly the car jacknifed,hit a tree THEN exploded.

    Apologies,mea culpa.

    It doesnt change my suspicions though.

    I’d imagine hell hath no fury like 4 Star Generals outed,sacked and denied at place at the top table.

    Im sure Hastings made some serious enemies with precisely the means and motivation for such a hit.

    It also serves to send a most timely reminder to whistleblowers and investigative journalists.

    Kempe,never miss a chance to follow the Govt/Official narrative though.

    It’s not like these things ever happen is it?

  60. http://www.thecraft.com/AboutUs.html

    The Craft website…all looks very gung-ho and spunky,manly.

    Chris Kyle,he of American Sniper fame,was President of the company.

    You may recall earlier this year he and a friend were killed by a marine on a shooting range in Texas.

    Motive “unclear”.

    These types terrify me.

    Boyzzzz and their toyzzzz.

  61. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 10:46 pm

    The eyewitness has been unclear. He said it was out of control and may have exploded before it hit the tree.

    And to your point, Craft/Academi is a more politically palatable name than Blackwater. The baggage required a name-change.

  62. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 10:55 pm

    “The solo-vehicle crash happened near the intersection of Highland and Melrose avenues around 4:15 a.m., according to the LAPD.

    Hastings’ Mercedes-Benz slammed into a tree and caught fire.

    “I was just coming northbound on Highland and I seen a car going really fast, and all of a sudden I seen it jackknife,” said Luis Cortez, who witnessed the wreck.

    “I just seen parts fly everywhere and I slammed on my brakes and stopped and tried to call 911,” Cortez added.

    The engine of the vehicle was found in a yard about 100 feet away.

    Read more: http://ktla.com/2013/06/19/driver-killed-in-fiery-car-crash-in-hollywood/#ixzz2WhYn2Qgc

    I could swear there was more to this witness account earlier. How does a car ‘jackknife” I thought that happened when you were towing a trailer. The video (car burning) showed the front-end of car facing the tree.

  63. Ben,

    They couldn’t have come up with a more “conspiratorial” name to wind up the anti-NWO/Illuminati crew.

    Seems a deliberately confrontational name…

  64. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 10:57 pm

    The guy spoke in broken English and may have been at a loss of words to describe what he saw. I’m sure we can rely on the media to get these details.

  65. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 11:06 pm

    OK. Here’s the video. Interview at about 3:03 What do you hear. He’s almost incomprehensible.

    Note the beer bottle (nice) on the ground at about 4:20.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LSY3wVuASg

  66. http://act.rootsaction.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=7309

    Feinstein seems to know exactly who pass all the tapped info to..

  67. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 11:13 pm

    Dual citizenship expats and US citizens please sign petition on Jives post on Feinstein

  68. Off topic, but just saw a tweet from Oliver Kamm:

    “BBC ruthlessly suppresses voice of the very important Craig Murray by inviting him for live interview on national TV.”

    His other tweets include inviting John Rentoul to discuss ‘whether Blair’s tenure was a success’, and mocking conspiracy ‘cranks’ whose comments regarding Mr Hastings were deleted on CiF. Olive Kamm: the voice of Radio Free Complacency. Craig should debate him.

  69. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    19 Jun, 2013 - 11:38 pm

    Get a load of this….DARPA…..hmmmm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D6jxBDy8k8&feature=youtu.be

  70. Ben,

    Re: remote controlled cars…and this is a few years old now-and only consumer level tech…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSW49Y9P6SM

  71. “Can an automobile be remotely controlled, like say, a drone?”

    Not easily and the driver would undoubtedly notice all the hardware.

    However a small radio receiver hooked into the obd can bus could probably crash a car. Lock the doors, drop down a gear, jam the throttle on full then lock up one wheel, something like that. A car like that has many computers in it, everything even the radio is controlled by one and they are all connected on the can bus.

  72. Scary stuff.

    From what I can see on Ben’s video, and a few still photos I’ve seen, the road/street is very straight there. He’d have had to swing the wheel, to mount the kerb and smash into the tree. And there’s nothing at all to suggest why he would do that.

  73. Malcolm King,suspicious recent car accident..

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=60339

  74. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 1:11 am

    This tells you something about me. I shoot from the hip, and am often reckless in my behavior. I actually called a few OPG’s (official police garage) and inquired about the vehicle. They would not provide any info. “Even if the FBI inquired” Then he said,
    “Why aren’t you here with them?”

    I literally shat myself.

  75. Major Michael Marman’s death..from a book by Sir Ranulph Fiennes (ex-SAS) The Feather Men…

    http://www.whale.to/a/horsley.html

  76. We know why ‘Flaming June’ – A duplicitous BBC plucks the heart-strings of deception for a show that has lost purpose, relevance and meaning. I see only chaos.

    Only we, the people can bring to life harmony, order and symmetry, our time is right now.

    To the mother of humanity – sadly missed.

  77. Brake pedal failing in motor accident? Hah! I suppose the hand brake, transmission and ignition failed too. Whatever happened to good old fashioned, murderous muggings as a method of getting rid of people?

  78. Flaming June

    20 Jun, 2013 - 7:04 am

    Gideon’s SOH was seriously challenged at Lough Erne.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4976618/Barack-Obama-keeps-calling-Chancellor-George-Osborne-Jeffrey-at-G8-summit-after-confusing-him-with-favourite-soul-star.html

    LOL

    PS Sorry about the source of the link. It seems to be a Soaraway Sun Exclusive.

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 7:05 am

    @ KingofWelshNoir

    Oh, come on. Every thread is full of the obvious (and O/T) comments of which you seem to disapprove.

    My point was that if those riots/demonstrations had taken place in a country of which the Emincences disapprove (the US, the UK,Israel,….) the threads would be full of comments. But because they occurred in one of the BRIC countries – countries seen as a worthy counterpoise to the West – not a squeak. Idem, by the way, when it comes to local protests about the way women are treated in India, the murders of journalists in Russia or labour relations in South Africa – unless, of course, they can somehow be tied into your anti-West narrative.
    _______

    So don’t be so faux-naif.

  80. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 7:10 am

    BTW, I’m waiting with bated breath for the first mocking comments about President Obama having apparently addressed Gideon George Osborne as “Geoffrey” and for the cosmic inferences which will be drawn from that lapse.

    Who will be the firsst commenter to addresss that important issue, I wonder?

  81. Flaming June

    20 Jun, 2013 - 7:10 am

    Pilger is spot on.

    Understanding The Latest Leaks Is Understanding The Rise Of A New Fascism
    June 20, 2013 By John Pilger

    [..]

    ‘In the new American cyber-power, only the revolving doors have changed. The director of Google Ideas, Jared Cohen, was adviser to Condaleeza Rice, the former secretary of state in the Bush administration who lied that Saddam Hussein could attack the US with nuclear weapons. Cohen and Google’s executive chairman, Eric Schmidt – they met in the ruins of Iraq — have co-authored a book, The New Digital Age, endorsed as visionary by the former CIA director Michael Hayden and the war criminals Henry Kissinger and Tony Blair. The authors make no mention of the Prism spying programme, revealed by Edward Snowden, that provides the NSA access to all of us who use Google.’

    [..]

    The power of truth-tellers like Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, and Edward Snowden is that they dispel a whole mythology carefully constructed by the corporate cinema, the corporate academy and the corporate media. WikiLeaks is especially dangerous because it provides truth-tellers with a means to get the truth out. This was achieved by Collateral Damage, the cockpit video of an US Apache helicopter allegedly leaked by Bradley Manning. The impact of this one video marked Manning and Assange for state vengeance. Here were US airmen murdering journalists and maiming children in a Baghdad street, clearly enjoying it, and describing their atrocity as “nice”. Yet, in one vital sense, they did not get away with it; we are witnesses now, and the rest is up to us.

    http://www.zcommunications.org/understanding-the-latest-leaks-is-understanding-the-rise-of-a-new-fascism-by-john-pilger

  82. @ Habbabkuk

    ‘Idem, by the way, when it comes to local protests about the way women are treated in India, the murders of journalists in Russia or labour relations in South Africa – unless, of course, they can somehow be tied into your anti-West narrative.’

    No, I genuinely don’t believe in the existence of the ‘anti-West narrative’ that you frequently inveigh against. I do think most posters on this thread are united by disgust and anger for much of what the West does, but that is not the same thing. As for the examples you cite – mistreatment of women in India, for example – I think the reason people don’t post on such issues is simply that these things are universally condemned and hardly worth the effort of pointing out on a forum where it can be tacitly assumed most people are on the same page. What gets people’s goat here, I submit without a trace of faux-naivety, is those instances where there is a chasm between the cruel things the west does and the way they are laundered and perfumed by such organs as the BBC.

  83. So what really did happen to TWA Flight 800?

    New revelations from gagged NTSB investigators apparently coming to light…

    Did the US shoot it down during military manouevres that went wrong?

    Seems whistleblowing is all the rage…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2344246/Are-conspiracy-theorists-say-TWA-flight-800-shot-right-Flimmakers-claim-jet-crashed-Long-Island-killing-230-hit-explosions-OUTSIDE-aircraft.html

  84. @ Habbabkuk

    BTW, I’m waiting with bated breath for the first mocking comments about President Obama having apparently addressed Gideon George Osborne as “Geoffrey” and for the cosmic inferences which will be drawn from that lapse.

    Who will be the firsst commenter to addresss that important issue, I wonder?

    It’s coming to something when a man can’t even remember the name of his own poodle.

  85. KOWN,

    ” I do think most posters on this thread are united by disgust and anger for much of what the West does, but that is not the same thing.” (as anti-West narrative).

    Spot on.

  86. Flaming June

    20 Jun, 2013 - 8:04 am

    All change!

    Ex HSBC money laundering boss Stephen Green is leaving the government. Agent Cameron is promoting Livingstone of BT to replace him.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jun/19/bt-chief-executive-ian-livingston-leaves

  87. http://henrymakow.com/2013/06/sao-paulo-riots.html

    Create a mess then tidy up. The joy if working?

  88. Flaming June

    20 Jun, 2013 - 8:13 am

    Organ Trafficking AGAIN!!!

    Posted: 19 Jun 2013 01:01 AM PDT

    http://insidecostarica.com/2013/06/18/medical-chief-at-costa-rica-state-hospital-arrested-as-part-of-organ-trafficking-investigation/

    Medical chief at Costa Rica state hospital arrested as part of organ trafficking investigation

    A chief doctor at a Costa Rican government-ran hospital was arrested today on suspicion of being part of an international organ trafficking network which specializes in selling kidneys to patients in Israel, according to the Attorney General’s Office.

    Attorney General Jorge Chavarria told the press that the arrested is Francisco Mora Palma, head of Nephrology at Calderon Guardia Hospital, one of the largest state medical centers in the country.

    “The patients who required the transplants were in Israeli territory, and some of the (trafficking) victims [had their kidney removed] here and others were transported to Israel. We have information that at least one person died after being operated on in Israel,” Chavarria said.

    The prosecutor explained that the organization has branches in Israel and Eastern Europe, though did not elaborate, citing the ongoing investigation.

    ~~

    And some boasting from the Jerusalem Post.

    Brazil’s president Dilma Rousseff features here along with Merkel, Clinton and Melinda Gates.

    http://www.jpost.com/International/Jewish-women-who-rule-according-to-Forbes

  89. BTW, I’m waiting with bated breath for the first mocking comments about President Obama having apparently addressed Gideon George Osborne as “Geoffrey” and for the cosmic inferences which will be drawn from that lapse.

    Who will be the firsst commenter to addresss that important issue, I wonder?

    You, as far as I can see….

    Anyway, another POV on the main story might be in order –

    It is not, in short, a conspiracy of the powerful that is driving the expansion of the state today; it is a vacuum in society, created by the collapse of all sorts of informal, non-state institutions, which is almost inviting the state to expand. Hence state agents really do believe that they are helping us, in the case of the NSA, by keeping us safe from an apparently unprecedented threat. So, as incompetent, lumbering and liberty-squashing as the state is, as the real story of Prism shows, the state, pace Google, is not being evil.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13717/

    Debate invited.

  90. Sofia Zabalotna-Habbrcake

    20 Jun, 2013 - 9:13 am

    O/T
    @Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!) 7:05 am

    Dad!

    You can be such a plonker sometimes.

    You complain that issues are ignored here unless “they can somehow be tied into your anti-West narrative.”

    You never give and reasons from the real world to show us why. Just carping, moaning, insults and running to Jon telling him to deal with our unruly behaviour.

    If the West gets a rough ride here then maybe it’s because, on a vast scale it makes la vita so bloody horrific, or takes it away altogether.

    The gulf between the reality people see when they look at the evidence, and the fairy-tales promoted by the corporate media has become too great to ignore.

    KOWN hit’s the nail on the head when he writes “ there is a chasm between the cruel things the west does and the way they are laundered and perfumed by such organs as the BBC.”

    There are thousands of other issues going on in the world that any single thread “ignores”.

    Your posts often seem to act as an indicator that light is being shone in places where the powers who run the show (often western) don’t like it shone. Maybe that’s your value.

    As for the west getting a hard time here. If you want it to get left alone how about addressing it’s centurys-old policy of theft and control? How about using some of the wealth an ingenuity to bring about peace and plenty rather than war and plunder?

  91. O (ho ho) /T

    The fragrant Gulnara seems to be in a spot of bother with….the Swedes:

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-01-170613.html

  92. “No, I genuinely don’t believe in the existence of the ‘anti-West narrative’ that you frequently inveigh against. I do think most posters on this thread are united by disgust and anger for much of what the West does, but that is not the same thing. As for the examples you cite – mistreatment of women in India, for example – I think the reason people don’t post on such issues is simply that these things are universally condemned and hardly worth the effort of pointing out on a forum where it can be tacitly assumed most people are on the same page. What gets people’s goat here, I submit without a trace of faux-naivety, is those instances where there is a chasm between the cruel things the west does and the way they are laundered and perfumed by such organs as the BBC.”

    Well said; that people can’t see the difference, it could because of experiencing a mirror projection of their own reflected prejudices, or perhaps even be indicative of some sort of brain damage, which would also account for why these same people repeatedly insist that others must publically condemn that which only the most unprincipled would ever consider condoning.

  93. Excellent stuff on her there by Alexander Kim, Komodo. It’s not just a few squid she goes off with each time, it’s millions. She is becoming universally despised these days, rather like B.Liar. Is she known to the latter? He has been shooting his mouth again in IsraHell.

    Saw this earlier. The three stooges. http://australiansforpalestine.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/mid.east_.kerry_.jpg

    What a revolting trio. Three horrible old men who are stitching up the Palestinians. http://www.australiansforpalestine.net/81907

  94. ‘Tis true what David Edwards, co-editor, says on Medialens – The British changed the pronunciation of ‘patriot’ following an American film with that name. The media use the American pronunciation.

    pa·tri·ot
    /ˈpeɪtriət, -ˌɒt or, esp. British, ˈpætriət/ Show Spelled [pey-tree-uht, -ot or, esp. British, pa-tree-uht] Show IPA

    noun
    1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
    2. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, especially of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.
    3. ( initial capital letter ) Military. a U.S. Army anti aircraft missile with a range of 37 miles (60 km) and a 200-pound (90 kg) warhead, launched from a tracked vehicle with radar and computer guidance and fire control.

    There is a thread on Medialens about John Pilger’s latest piece on propaganda.

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1371704567.html

    The second comment there is a dig at the BBC holocaust prop. which I posted earlier here.

  95. Brendan Yesterday at 11.37pm Ref your link to the nasty Kamm tweet about Craig.

    I have been scrolling through his execrable stuff. https://twitter.com/OliverKamm

    One of his latest is:
    Oliver Kamm ‏@OliverKamm 20h
    Guardian has deleted most comments under report of Michael Hasting’s death. Evidently attracted conspiracy cranks: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/19/michael-hastings-runaway-general-dies

    !!

    He even retweets McCain and as you say has multiple exchanges with the B.Liar hagiographer Rentoul who has reissued his biography of St Anthony* and who was plugging it on Kamm’s twitter. Is Rentoul on B.Liar’s payroll one asks?

    They are all nobodies.

    *
    Tony Blair: Poster boy or cartoon villain?
    John Rentoul’s biography of Tony Blair, published in 2001, is reissued this week with a 20,000-word Afterword covering the last six years of his premiership, starting with the shock of 9/11. In this exclusive extract, Rentoul assesses whether Blair’s solidarity with President George W Bush, which led to Britain’s role in the Iraq war, was a mistake.

    Sunday 16 June 2013
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-poster-boy-or-cartoon-villain-8660465.html

    No, not a mistake Rentoul. A very bloody war crime as was Afghanistan.

  96. “Who will be the firsst commenter to addresss that important issue, I wonder?”

    “You, as far as I can see…”

    I don’t think so. I believe it was “Flaming June” at 7.04am.

    My head is still with Michael Hastings. I’ve just read this:

    “Michael Hastings contacted WikiLeaks lawyer Jennifer Robinson just a few hours before he died, saying that the FBI was investigating him.”

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100222652/wikileaks-says-michael-hastings-contacted-it-just-before-his-death-are-they-implying-he-was-murdered/

  97. In light of the recent NSA leaks by Snowden it could well be argued that everybody is under “potential” investigation now.

    Certainly storing everyone’s data ad infinitum is a form of investigation.

    Just a thought…

  98. “Even if the FBI inquired” Then he said,
    “Why aren’t you here with them?”

    I literally shat myself.

    That is precisely the reason the question was put to you.

  99. “If you are serious about an assassination, I would start with another general, General David Petraeus, who Hastings tore apart on CNN.”

    I didn’t know that. I wonder is it worth chasing up on YouTube.

    And Ben said,
    “And to your point, Craft/Academi is a more politically palatable name than Blackwater. The baggage required a name-change.”

    I knew Blackwater became Xe and then Academi, but are you saying they are now Craft? I thought Craft were a separate outfit.

  100. “Certainly storing everyone’s data ad infinitum is a form of investigation.”

    Yes Jives. We are all potential suspects. And you don’t have to break any law to become a full-blown suspect. If they can demonstrate (to their own satisfaction) that you were even thinking about it … subscribed to the wrong magazine or website …

  101. “Who will be the firsst commenter to addresss that important issue, I wonder?”

    “You, as far as I can see…”

    I don’t think so. I believe it was “Flaming June” at 7.04am.

    No, she raised the issue. And Hubba’s getting sssibilant, too.
    My preciousssss…

  102. You guys can stew around about the Hastngs assassination till the cows come home, but the most likely suspects are the Mossad, General David Petraeus, and Paula Broadwell Krantz because Hastings ripped their guts out by his writings and public comments which went all the way massacreup to Obama”s re-election, the Libyan consulate , and Israel trying to throw it for Romney.

    If you want to get beyond your own crackpot realism about the murder, start reading Hastings stuff on business insider, and my article about why Jorg Haider was assassinated.

  103. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2344398/Google-futurist-claims-uploading-entire-MINDS-computers-2045-bodies-replaced-machines-90-years.html

    Yes.By 2045 the tech curve could mean not just our data but all our conversations and thoughts will be stored.

    Terrifying.The potential for massive abuse is staggering.Thank God Feinstein and Hague are there to look after us all with care,integrity and infallability.

    *****************

    O/T and apropos zilch but Kurzweil also designed superb synthesisers and keyboards.Industry defining ones in their time that still lead the pack today.

  104. “Journalist Michael Hastings dies in car crash”

    “And he was incredibly tense and very worried, and was concerned that the government was looking in on his material as they are on a lot of the top journalists in the country.”

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/20/hast-j20.html

  105. http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/06/work-for-the-un/comment-page-2/#comment-413719

    So what Dreoilin. Keep going on why don’t you. You are petty.

  106. Someone keeps messing with my lap top, so I can hardly be sure what it will come up with now, bur the word ‘massacre’ was put after the word ‘consulate’ by me, and, of course, I am talking about Hastings.

  107. FFS Komodo …

    I used to be a great multitasker. Not so much now after so many decades. I can’t keep up with the topic changes here. I know I post O/T occasionally myself, but

    On this page only (not even counting the whole thread) we’ve had, so far,

    Australia Post issues Israeli propaganda stamps

    An e-petition

    Iraq damages cases

    Drilling in the Golan Heights

    Syria: Arming the rebels

    Michael Hastings

    Storyville on BBC4

    Riots in Brazil

    Oliver Kamm

    Tony Blair (again)

    John Pilger on the New Fascism

    Stephen Green

    Organ Trafficking (Israel – again)

    Gulnara

    and various other bits and bobs that I’ve missed.

    It’s unreadable. If not unreadable, it’s un-followable.

    Perhaps Villager’s suggestion about a Chat thread, where people can bring up anything they like, is not a bad idea. I’m not sure exactly how it would work, but right now it sounds good.

  108. Gone

  109. Clegg is in trouble for referring to the Saatchi/Nigella incident on his LBC phone in programme and saying he did not know if it was a fleeting thing! He has since put out a statement that he condemns all domestic violence.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10131747/Nick-Clegg-fails-to-condemn-Saatchi-assault-on-Nigella-Lawson.html

    Has anyone ever listened to him on LBC? I haven’t.

  110. “… an experimental Assalamu Alaykum.” Guano.

    Is that ‘peace be upon you’ with a funny handshake?
    :)

  111. Dreoilin, wrt ‘multitasking’ and focussing, etc., you may wish to consider visiting the ‘second’ Al Hilli thread instead; 16,000 comments (the first had 8,000) and climbing. But actually, though there have been digressions and expansions, that thread – frequented in the main by an entirely different set of contributors from the rest of this blog – has stayed remarkably focussed.

  112. @ Dreoilin’s departing footsteps –

    Don’t forget Yemen….

    Seriously, once the comments have gone onto page 2, the topic’s evaporated, and ’twas ever thus. And I do know what you mean, but every time someone points this out, it gets acrimonious.

    Straw poll: On a scale of 0-10, where do the following behaviours rate, IYHO?
    1. Female circumcision
    2. Stirring the shit in the Middle East (all)
    3. Taksim Square protests
    4. Brazilian protests
    5. Bankers’ bonuses
    6. Two exceedingly rich and famous-for-being-famous pissheads having a public fight in a swanky restaurant.

    If(6) scored more than 1, congratulations. You’ve been diverted.

  113. Legal Aid petition -less than 6000 signatures needed –

    (see Clark 19 Jun, 2013 – 11:31 am)

    94,152 signatures, including mine.

  114. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 2:19 pm

    @ Dreoilin

    My God, you’re right! Mary raised it at 07h04 – which just goes to show that when Mary’s around you have to get up really early if you want to be the first to bring readers up to date with the actualité :)

    I hope, Dreoilin, that you enjoyed Komodo’s refutation of your comment – Mary didn’t “address” it, she just “raised” it. Yeah, sure, big difference. LOL

  115. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 2:22 pm

    @ Flaming June :

    “So what Dreoilin. Keep going on why don’t you. You are petty.”
    ____________

    Boo hoo!! Sob sob!! Some nasty person has dared to disagree with me again!

  116. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 2:30 pm

    @ Dreoilin

    “It’s unreadable. If not unreadable, it’s un-followable.

    Perhaps Villager’s suggestion about a Chat thread, where people can bring up anything they like, is not a bad idea. I’m not sure exactly how it would work, but right now it sounds good.”
    ______________

    I also think Villager’s idea was a good one.

    But it would never work.

    Not for practical reasons but because readers would tend not to bother to refer back to such a thread on a regular basis.

    And that would be unacceptable to the Eminences because it would mean that the brilliance of their reasoning and the profundity of their thought (not to mention the elegance of their style) might be…overlooked! Unnoticed, even!! Wasted!!!

    And Mary’s running BBC/msm quotation service would lose even more of the little point it currently has.

    You see, the Eminences, including Mary, always have to be at the front of the pack and you’re not allowed not to have what they want to communicate rammed down your throat subitissimo.

  117. @Habbabkuk 2:19 pm

    NB. Not poetry,

    Mary’s rising time?

    “addressed it” or “raised it?

    WTF has that got to do with anything?

    Half the world is being screwed and that’s the best you can do………Oh why am I feeding you again?

  118. I think the idea of a Chat Room is neither required, nor would really work; O/T comments will naturally always occur over a period, especially always on the latest Thread, as breaking news or other items of general interest are going to be reported & discussed.

    In a way, there is a sense that even the apparently O/T items, are not really totally unconnected with the general themes & issues that motivate us all to come here in the first place (trolls excepted); it’s not like somebody was posting latest developments from the world of Train Spotters or other such obscure interest groups !

    As the Al Hilli thread has been mentioned, I repeat my suggestion to Jon/Craig, that perhaps it would be a good idea to have still active threads shown on the side, with easy access clickable goto links.

  119. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 2:37 pm

    Flaming June asks, à propos Nick Clegg’s LBC programme and Nigella Lawson (I’ll say it again, she’s a peach!) :

    “Has anyone ever listened to him on LBC? I haven’t.”
    _______________

    Perhaps she should have. By so doing, she would have heard his remarks in their entirety, in his voice and with the tone of his voice, any hesitations (or absence of such) and in their complete context and have been able to make up her own mind rather than relying on whatever spin the Daily Telegraph (Mary’s source here – usually despised by her) may have chosen to give to them.

  120. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 2:47 pm

    @ KingofWelshNoir (07h44)

    Thanks for that and I’ll come back to you (and perhaps also to Macky if I think it’s worth it), but later on. I have a rather pleasant event I have to speed off to in a moment (clue : tea is involved :) )

  121. Oh, dear. What’s he trying to divert us from now?
    This, maybe?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

    Palestinian children in the Gaza and the West Bank, captured by Israel in the 1967 war, are routinely denied registration of their birth and access to health care, decent schools and clean water, the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child said.

    “Palestinian children arrested by (Israeli) military and police are systematically subject to degrading treatment, and often to acts of torture, are interrogated in Hebrew, a language they did not understand, and sign confessions in Hebrew in order to be released,” it said in a report.

    Israelis say lol, this is old stuff (you should see what we’re getting up to NOW).

  122. Dreoilin, don’t despair. When you come to realise that this blog has now become a parody of itself you can then appreciate how posting comments can improve your typing skills. On occasion, people will help with grammar, etymology, latin and sarcasm. And sometimes, regulars will offer gardening tips, a delicious new recipe or a new way of venting their end-of-life frustrations.

  123. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 2:55 pm

    @ Komodo

    “6. Two exceedingly rich and famous-for-being-famous pissheads having a public fight in a swanky restaurant.”
    ___________

    Pleasant event or not, I can’t leave Nigella undefended!

    1/. She’s well-off, but not THAT rich. And anyway, even if she was, so what?

    2/. Famous for being famous? Not really fair, that. They’re both talented people in their fields – fields which do put them in the public eye.

    3/. Pissheads? I don’t know about Charles, but Nigella certainly isn’t.

    If I go on like this, I’ll be calling her “fragrant”, like that twit of a judge who called Mary Archer that during her husband’s trial and I really don’t want to go there, so byeeee

  124. @Macky 2 32pm

    “….a good idea to have still-active threads shown on the side, with easy access clickable go to links.”

    Yes please.

    And Jon, thanks for allowing the conversation to wander. Doesn’t it both give the core issues context and allow for surprising facets to be revealed?

    With any luck information and debate pop up here which, I’m sure, spark off real-world conversations on these issues. That’s surely where the dismantling of the false narratives needs to be happening if we are to have any positive change.

    Also I think we need to let off excess emotional charge occasionally after the first focused flurry of any thread. A handy lightening rod is alwas at hand! Bless him/her. (Originally no “her”. Sexist I know, but I just can’t imagine the chief troll as a “her” myself.)

  125. No need for trolls when you’ve got Posters who are unable to keep from having nasty pops at others; sowing discord, all in a day’s work for laughing trolls.

  126. Ah. It IS the UNCRC report.

  127. You guys should get employment with the LA coroner.

    He still isn’t convinced that Hastings was in his Benz which exploded and burned early Tuesday morning, and won’t be sure for weeks.

    It was the same office which determined that whistle-blowing FBI agent at Burbank Steve Ivens – who was set-up as a potential Obama assassin during the high point of the presidential campaign in May 2012 because he knew what was really going on at its Bob Hope International Airport, and then was conveniently murdered – was a suicide after his body was finally found just blocks from where he lived and a mere 100 yards from the church he attended after an 85-day manhunt..

    LA seems to be the ideal location for a controversial murder, and getting away with it.

  128. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 3:07 pm

    @ Komodo

    Last one before I hop off.

    “Oh, dear. What’s he trying to divert us from now?
    This, maybe?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

    Palestinian children in the Gaza and the West Bank,….”
    _________________

    Correct, it was a cunning plot to divert people’s attention from something which you hadn’t posted.

    Chump!

    Please don’t tell me the subject of your next post lest I divert attention from it before you post.

  129. “but I just can’t imagine the chief troll as a “her” myself.)”

    Sure you can;

    http://www.picturevip.com/x/clean/images/2013/06/18/cxJX8.jpg

    (If I were a betting man, I lay odds that the Habbu-Clown is of a similar inclination !)

  130. Well when the conversation dries up, ye olde thread is revisited; The out of topic comments.

    Seeing as this blog is now subject to hosting the wannabe PHD researchers, whose remit is so focused that will not allow for any deviation from the subject at hand otherwise which can cost humongous amounts of time and money!

    There are those who take themselves really seriously around here, thank crunchie they are not the blog owners. will these guys write in green pen to the BBC and Sky complaining about the flighty news readers mixing all manner of stuff together? Then there are the papers, these too mix up all the topic under the sun, but hey Mary did not write or broadcast any of them did she?!

    Mary keep up the good work, and damn the moaners, they each have their own axe to grind, and their senior moments are getting more and more of an apparent trend.

    PS Komodo I have not the time to respond to your question regards the DV issue, we are both on the same page-ish. However, as you have mentioned the perpetrators can be from either gender and the results equally terrible, hence the evident bias against males ought not overlook the female bullies who are busy abusing their men folk. Hopefully we can revisit this issue when there is enough time for both of us.

  131. But I did post it, and you quoted it. Have you flushed your meds down the toilet again?

    I’m posting this link, here.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/351208/irs-vs-pro-israel-groups-eliana-johnson

    There. See what I did? I posted it. Now you can distract attention from it. Fine.

    Fascinating story, though.

    The IRS’s practices as described by Muthert touch on a political debate that has been raging in the United States and Israel since 2009. That’s when Washington Post columnist David Ignatius noted that opponents of Israeli settlements were fighting against tax exemption for groups that raise charitable contributions for organizations that support Israeli settlements. “Critics of Israeli settlements question why American taxpayers are supporting indirectly, through the exempt contributions, a process that the government condemns,” Ignatius wrote.

    On March 27, 2009, the day after Ignatius’s article appeared, the Arab-American Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) filed a spate of administrative complaints with the Treasury Department and the IRS, alleging that pro-Israel groups raising funds for settlements in the West Bank were supporting “illegal and terrorist activities abroad.” Later that year, in October, the ADC said that it was waging an ongoing legal campaign against the IRS for what the ADC regarded as violations of the tax code by some pro-Israel groups.

  132. Macky, that is discriminatory against gorillas in bikinis.

  133. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

    Palestinian children in the Gaza and the West Bank, captured by Israel in the 1967 war, are routinely denied registration of their birth and access to health care, decent schools and clean water, the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child said.

    “Palestinian children arrested by (Israeli) military and police are systematically subject to degrading treatment, and often to acts of torture, are interrogated in Hebrew, a language they did not understand, and sign confessions in Hebrew in order to be released,” it said in a report.

    We have not heard any of the ziofuckwit claim “the shitty little strip of land” is the only democracy in the mid east, Asia, the planet, the solar system, they galaxy, the universe, and ever, and ever! If anyone does not agree then they are antisomits and stuff.

    Fucking pitiful to get kids who lack any education to sign an official document in foreign. How low these crazy ziofuckwits will stoop?

  134. Sophia Zabolotna-Habbercake

    20 Jun, 2013 - 3:31 pm

    Habba 3 07pm

    Dad!

    Go easy on the sherry will you and when your hand’s steady enough check this…..

    @Komodo

    20 Jun, 2013 – 2:49 pm

    Komodo, you Chump! Fancy not posting stuff you’ve already posted. How can anyone ever take you seriously again?

  135. Sophia Zabolotna-Habbercake

    20 Jun, 2013 - 3:40 pm

    OOps. Sorry Komodo I see you already dealt with it.

    that’s the first time I’ve seen dad come up with genuine information. Funny how it was information counter to everything he’s ever promoted on these threads. But he obviously thought that was a price worth paying to make himself look cleverer than you. Even better that the lazy old fool hadn’t read your earlier post.

    And in the meantime

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620

    gets a really good bit of exposure. Genius!

    Who’s the Chump now!

  136. discriminatory against gorillas

    Steady on old chap, what gorillas have done, for you to insult the poor things in the most egregious fashion?

    Those images shocked me, I say shocked me, I tell you shocked me, in a nasty sort of way, I was not expecting anything like that, but then I saw the funny side of it, but still I am in shock, the ugly guy who has posed for these pics.

  137. “He still isn’t convinced that Hastings was in his Benz which exploded and burned early Tuesday morning, and won’t be sure for weeks”

    Nor should he be. The body in the car was so badly burned it was unidentifiable. DNA analysis takes a fair while.

  138. Sofia Zabolotna-Habbercake

    20 Jun, 2013 - 4:03 pm

    @Macky 3 08pm

    Now that’s just plain scary! But kinda funny.
    I have to admit, even in my wildest nightmares that wouldn’t be Dad.
    LOL

  139. Flaming June

    20 Jun, 2013 - 4:09 pm

    I always say that Her Maj becomes very animated around horses. Especially so today as she picks up £198,000+ for winning the Gold Cup with a horse called Estimate that the Aga Khan gave her for her 80th birthday.

    The total prize money for the ‘meeting’ is over £10 million. All the toads were crawling round her. Her son, the arms salesman, gave her the prize.

    Raise the flags. Ring out the bells. It’s Austerity Great Britain, 2013.

  140. Sofia Zabolotna-Habbercake

    20 Jun, 2013 - 4:10 pm

    If you were a betting man/woman/gorilla, what would you say were the odds for that being a genuine car accident?

    Now that’s genuinely scary.

  141. SAMs from No Man’s Island, Jives. Another honest mistake by the spooks.

  142. Just lost another post by allegedly getting thee CAPTCHA check wrong, and redoing it a few times accomplished nothing.

    Coroners should increasingly be establishing what occurred too – e.g., an apparent murder, an accident,etc., as assassinations are increasingly made to look like accidents or suicides.

    Look what happened in the Kelly and Ivens cases. Brutal murders were made out to look like suicides, thanks to delays coroners engaged in. They both were rumored to be some kind of terrorist attack, and then the coroners settled for suicides.

    I think that the Mossad carried have arranged all three murders, i.e., getting a kidon which had moored on The Thames the fatal night to get rid of Kelly, it could have gotten a Las Vegas hitman to kill Ivens who an FBI agent then killed in a stakeout, and then it got agents who knew of the auto wiring which killed Haider to do in Hastings.

    We live in a world suffering from crackpot realism aka cognitive dissonance.

  143. Craig ran a blog-post on the fate and deportation from Cambodia of Gottfrid Swartholm Warg the Pirate Bay founder. The details of his arrest were alarming.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2012/09/gottfrid-svartholm-warg-charged-again-in-sweden/

    Unfortunately he, and another Swede, have been found guilty. He has been sentenced to two years in prison, a long time for a young man who has arguably done little wrong.

    http://www.thelocal.se/48616/20130620/

  144. Poor Trowbridge. Still hasn’t worked out how to use the intergoogle as a mass dissemination means for half-baked, fruit-pie ramblings.

    Listen up, old-fella :

    1. Type up your kooky comment using notepad or similar text editor. Select the text you wrote in the editor and copy to clipboard.

    2. Go to Craig’s blog and hit “refresh”. Make sure you’re on the right thread this time.

    3. Quickly paste your comment in the big white box (no jokes please) and enter your answer to Jon’s mathematical brain-teaser. Press “Submit Comment”.

    4. Select previous tab titled “Naked Jane Mansfield pics”, right click and select “close”.

    4. Go to window and look out, discreetly, for any sign of suspicious activity that might be NSA related eg pizza van.

    5. Make a cup of tea and think about Jane Mansfield.

    Hope that helps.

  145. 6. Double check that you didn’t enter a number twice.

    7. Turn on tellie, watch Matlock.

  146. 8. Press backspace several times and retype tellie.

  147. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 5:21 pm

    @ Komodo:

    Terribly sorry, I hadn’t realised that you’d already posted that link to the Reuters article on the abuse of Palestinian children BEFORE your post at 14h49.

    Could you just indicate exactly when you posted it previously?

    Thanks!

  148. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 5:27 pm

    Flaming June informs us as follows :

    “I always say that Her Maj becomes very animated around horses.”

    _____________

    No problem with that, surely?

    She probably prefers the company of horses to that of a lot of the human beings she meets.

    I can sympathize with her.

    I, for example, would much prefer the company of Caligula’s horse to yours

    Neigh! Neigh!

  149. BrianFujisan

    20 Jun, 2013 - 5:33 pm

    How they Hide things. Here’s a graph showing the public’s perception of Iraqi deaths. Shocking

    http://medialens.org/images/stories/ComRes_graphic_Melanie_Patrick_revised.jpg

  150. Dreoilin
    “We are all potential suspects now..”

    Or, in regard to mass spying, we are all potential victims of being framed.

  151. Suhayl

    Just thinking about the guano mountain covered in millions of creatures like HalfCockRoach who resides ibidem.
    If the cockroaches/trolls weren’t constantly eating the truth/ incisive comments the mountain of truth would get too big for the cave.
    In this perfect, balanced symbiosis/co-existence between satire and sentimentality, if there were no truth-seekers, trolls would find no food.

  152. Thanks, Jemand, but seems simpler just to write the post here, and then hope for the best with the CAPTCHA number to defeat the spam.

    Hope you get the hang of cruising now through the internet, so that you can soon write something relevant to what is being discussed here.

  153. I have it reliably that ‘Sofia Zabolotna-Habbercake’ and ‘Kibo Noh’ are sock-puppets. Watch one of them gloves fall away soon enough.

  154. @BrianFujisan 5:33 pm

    What a simple but powerful graphic!

    Doesn’t it just show how effective the propaganda has been.

    That image needs to adorn the sides of buses and tube stations.

    http://medialens.org/images/stories/ComRes_graphic_Melanie_Patrick_revised.jpg

  155. “Macky
    20 Jun, 2013 – 3:08 pm
    “but I just can’t imagine the chief troll as a “her” myself.)”

    Sure you can;

    http://www.picturevip.com/x/clean/images/2013/06/18/cxJX8.jpg

    (If I were a betting man, I lay odds that the Habbu-Clown is of a similar inclination !)”
    ——
    Macky, i’m surprised that you have no shame in letting people into your deep inner imaginings. But then even great students of history can have bad taste. And, of course, you are conditioned by the Internet Age where ‘everything goes’.

  156. I wish to nominate the KingofWelshNoir for some sort of award for the delightful phrase “where there is a chasm between the cruel things the west does and the way they are laundered and perfumed by such organs as the BBC.”

    :)

  157. Yes Cryptonym agree, very well articulated. Thanks for highlighting. Let’s call it the ZOOKD award. Where’s Glenn?

  158. Lost another post because of spam control, but it won’t stop me because it was about the LA Times article about Michael Hastings investigation of Jill Kelley’s suit against Mossad agent Paula Broadwell – what would have blown her compromising DCI General David Petraeus for the Israelis sky high.

    little wonder that the Mossad disposed of Hastings when he, like Jorg Haider, started to revive what it thought it had already disposed of.

  159. Now the question Is:

    Is the whole furore over Snowden just a diversion to help distract the media and the public away from the Mossad’s assassination of Hastings because he threatened to destroy a lot in Washington, especially the CIA?

  160. “But interviews with more than a dozen current and former government and technology officials and outside experts show that, while Prism has attracted the recent attention, the program actually is a relatively small part of a much more expansive and intrusive eavesdropping effort.”

    http://www.newser.com/article/da6u8j780/what-makes-prism-work-national-security-agencys-megadata-collection-from-internet-pipeline.html

  161. Hope you get the hang of cruising now through the internet, so that you can soon write something relevant to what is being discussed here.

    You will have to type in capitals for him to read/hear the message. Anyone debating Jayne Mansfield and her naked pics is in all probabilities afflicted with hearing loss and eyesight troubles.

  162. Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N

    By Stephanie Nebehay
    Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:35pm EDT

    GENEVA (Reuters) – A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.

    Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, captured by Israel in the 1967 war, are routinely denied registration of their birth and access to health care, decent schools and clean water, the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child said.

    “Palestinian children arrested by (Israeli) military and police are systematically subject to degrading treatment, and often to acts of torture, are interrogated in Hebrew, a language they did not understand, and sign confessions in Hebrew in order to be released,” it said in a report.11

    /..

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0UJ20130620

    Terrible.

  163. Sorry I should have checked back. Now that I have, avoiding the usual garbage, I see that the UN Report on Israel’s abuse and ill treatment of Palestinian children had already been posted.

  164. Liam Fox was the after dinner speaker at a Surrey Conservatives gathering tonight. I am afraid I did not have enough courage to gatecrash it carrying a placard saying ‘Where’s Werritty?’.

    It was £45 for a ticket or £400 for a table for 10.

    A snip in Austerity Great Britain 2013.

  165. THANKS, FEDUP, I’LL KEEP IT IN MIND

    IN REGARD TO HASTINGS’ HORRIFIC DEMISE AND THE GUARDIAN, I NOTICE IT HAS NO ACCOUNT OF IT. TOO BUSY POSTING SNOWDEN’S STUFF.

    AND FOR THE MEDIA, THERE IS A REVETTING ACCOUNT ABOUT CNN’S HOWARD KURTZ, MOVING TO FOX NEWS.

  166. I’ve just been reading through some of Edward Snowden’s responses to Guardian readers’ comments about him being considered a traitor because of his revelations. This made me laugh.

    “Further, it’s important to bear in mind I’m being called a traitor by men like former Vice President Dick Cheney. This is a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead. Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein, and King, the better off we all are. If they had taught a class on how to be the kind of citizen Dick Cheney worries about, I would have finished high school.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/edward-snowden-nsa-files-whistleblower#block-51bf34b5e4b0d3c14258337e

  167. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 11:34 pm

    “”We can neither confirm nor deny FBI investigative activity,” Ari Dekofsky, a spokeswoman for the FBI’s Los Angeles field office, told U.S. News. “Sometimes that can change, sometimes it can never change.”

    http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/06/20/wikileaks-journalist-michael-hastings-under-fbi-investigation-before-death

    Yeah, we know….policy. What did Snowden say about policy…”it’s like a ratchet that only loosens’

  168. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 11:36 pm

    Dare I say it? We are all Hastings, now.

  169. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 11:41 pm

    ” During the weeks before he was killed in a car crash in Los Angeles, reporter Michael Hastings was researching a story about a privacy lawsuit brought by Florida socialite Jill Kelley against the Department of Defense and the FBI.

    Hastings, 33, was scheduled to meet with a representative of Kelley next week in Los Angeles to discuss the case, according to a person close to Kelley. Hastings wrote for Rolling Stone and the website BuzzFeed.

    Kelley alleges that military officials and the FBI leaked her name to the media to discredit her after she reported receiving a stream of emails that were traced to Paula Broadwell, a biographer of former CIA director David H. Petraeus, according to a lawsuit filed in Federal District Court in Washington, D.C., on June 3.”

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-michael-hastings-jill-kelly-case-20130620,0,2559316.story

    Ah, yes the Petraeus/McChrystal Junta. I think that originated in Honduras.

  170. Trowbridge, I am convinced Snowden is a genuine whistleblower. The Guardian gets a lot of criticism but since Glenn Greenwald joined it is starting to seem more like the Guardian of old. I’ve written to the editor and thanked him.

  171. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 11:45 pm

    She certainly had a radical, Left-wing jihadist history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Kelley

    “Jill Kelley was born Gilberte Khawam in Beirut, Lebanon[6] on June 3, 1975. Kelley’s family includes her identical twin sister, Natalie Khawam,[7] a brother, David Khawam, and sister, Caroline.[8] Jill’s parents [9] are Lebanese-American Maronite Catholics who immigrated to the United States from Jounieh, Lebanon in the mid-1970s.[10] Kelley grew up in suburban Philadelphia, where her parents owned a restaurant. Kelley lived in the Philadelphia area until her mid-20s.[11] Kelley attended Arcadia University.[8]

    Kelley is married to cancer surgeon Dr. Scott Kelley, and the two live with their three children in Tampa, Florida.[10] Jill Kelley put her medical studies on hold at one point to have a baby.[12] Since moving to Tampa, Kelley has devoted considerable time to community service, both to the local homeless as well as to the large community of servicemen and women in the Tampa area.[13]

    In March 2011, she received the Joint Chief of Staff Award for public service for “building positive relationships between the military and the Tampa community”.[14

  172. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 11:47 pm

    Trowbridge; You have my respect, and I think you’ve forgotten more than critics will ever learn.

  173. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    20 Jun, 2013 - 11:55 pm

  174. Flaming June
    20 Jun, 2013 – 7:10 am John Pilger. Powerful words Mary Thank-you. I have cast them into the big pond and I will say those words on the radio show.

  175. [Throwing] ..Edward Snowden into that mix because he, too, is an admirer of WikiLeaks. And Hastings’ last article was about the evils of the NSA – which ended with the tantalising line, “Perhaps more information will soon be forthcoming.” Glenn Greenwald Tweeted a link to the piece after Hastings’ death. Of such connections are conspiracy theories made.

    In the minds of the highly imaginative, that is.

    So what is WikiLeaks trying to say with this Tweet? Is it simply priming us for a revelation about why Hastings was being investigated? Or is it trying to imply that there’s some link between Hastings contacting Jennifer Robinson and the journalist’s death? If so, we might have – in the words of Michael Moynihan – a peg for yet another kind of truther.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100222652/wikileaks-says-michael-hastings-contacted-it-just-before-his-death-are-they-implying-he-was-murdered/

  176. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    21 Jun, 2013 - 12:36 am

  177. So sick of those,like bawbag Hague,who parrot the old line “if you’ve got nothing to hide you’ve got nothing to fear”

    Shite.

    Exactly what the Nazis and Stasi said-and look where that ended up…

    The more i think about this issue the more my mind moves towards the blackmail potential.All these Govt spook agencies and the corporate leviathans are moving beyond the assessing of criminal behaviour into moral judgement.A most worrying development.

    e.g.Say I’m having an affair.It’s not illegal but i still want to hide it.These Govt and corporate snoops are validating,therefore,their idea that what is not illegal may still be “wrong”.

    Very worrying the turn from potential criminal investigation/snooping into the complex but legal arena of moral matters.

    Like i said,dead wrong and very worrying.

    I see it all as basically a blackmailers charter and find it extremely sinister.

    We all should be very worried about this.Anyone who isn’t is a fool.

    History has taught us this repeatedly.

  178. Eric Schmidt of Google is the latest in a long line of crazed authoritarian idiots hammering this line.

    Well Eric,i guess the only thing you have to hide is your tax.

    What a complete hypocrite and sinister fool.

  179. BrianFujisan

    21 Jun, 2013 - 1:27 am

    Mark
    there certainly seems to be something in that about Hastings contacting Wikileaks

    He claims to have been under observation for almost two years, but contacting Wikileaks, Bastards wont have that

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2345332/Paranoid-Michael-Hastings-told-WikiLeaks-lawyer-investigated-FBI-hours-deadly-car-crash.html

  180. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    21 Jun, 2013 - 1:31 am

    “Michael’s journalistic roots were in the 1970s, in gonzo writers like Hunter S. Thompson who flung their bodies at the story, and often got hurt. He had been badly hurt once: His fiancée was killed in Baghdad in January 2007, when he was a Newsweek reporter there, and her death was still utterly raw to him when he published his first book, I Lost My Love in Baghdad.”

    HST lives….huzzah link to follow next post.

  181. Ben Franklin -Machine Gun Preacher (unleaded version)

    21 Jun, 2013 - 1:36 am


    He cared about his image — he worked out hard, looked good in clothes and in pictures, and enjoyed it — but he always cared more about the story. One day last fall, he had a furious exchange with a spokesman for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. His impulse, and mine, was to print the back-and-forth, the crucial exchange of which was:

    Reines: Why do you bother to ask questions you’ve already decided you know the answers to?

    Hastings: Why don’t you give answers that aren’t bullshit for a change?

    But there was a problem: Michael had not exactly conducted himself as well-mannered professional in the exchange. “You will look,” I pointed out to him, “like an asshole.”

    “Everyone knows I’m an asshole,” he said. “The point is that they’re assholes.”

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/missing-michael-hastings

    Nothing I love more than a shite-kicking iconoclast.

  182. Excuse me chaps, but finally got the time for some late replies, as I don’ want to appear to be rude !

    @Komodo; “Macky, that is discriminatory against gorillas in bikinis.”

    Maybe, but at least I spared everybody the G-String version !

    @Sofia; “I have to admit, even in my wildest nightmares that wouldn’t be Dad.”

    Seems there are things about your father that you are still yet to discover, poor child !

    @Hubbu-Clown; “I, for example, would much prefer the company of Caligula’s horse to yours
    Neigh! Neigh!”

    Yet another of your peculiar predilections ?;

    http://www.kmkz.ro/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/la-vache-qui-rit-kamikaze.jpg

    @Villager; “Macky, i’m surprised that you have no shame in letting people into your deep inner imaginings. But then even great students of history can have bad taste. And, of course, you are conditioned by the Internet Age where ‘everything goes’.”

    My only shame is that when I first encountered you, with all your talk of Krishnamurti, I took you seriously.

  183. Jives

    OK. So you’ve decided to have your affair. Much better not to in public unless you are one of those whose main pleasure in the affair is annoying the sensibilities of others. What moral path do you want to go down?
    1/ Catholic. Don’t worry Jesus understands, not like the big daddy God upstairs. That’ll be allright you’ll find.
    2/ Atheist. Humans are the same as cows. Their lower nature is controlled by hormones which are part of the automated body functions over which the mind has no control.
    3/ Shi’a. It’s a temporary marriage
    4/ Protestant. This is going to hurt someone, better crank up the lying strength mode to full power.
    5/ Sunni. Convert these desires into a combined sexual/spiritual bond which has the potential to survive the death barrier into the next life.

    Take your pick and stand by it. The pooper snoopers are there to remind you of your decision, but your decision will probably change with time. My problem is that I don’t always want to be reminded of my own stupidity/weaknesses. But that’s not a problem with being judged, that’s a problem with being reminded, when I’d prefer to move on.

  184. @Cryptonym

    I wish to nominate the KingofWelshNoir for some sort of award for the delightful phrase “where there is a chasm between the cruel things the west does and the way they are laundered and perfumed by such organs as the BBC.”

    @Villager

    Yes Cryptonym agree

    Thank you btoh for your kind words. I accept the award and wish to dedicate it to Edward Snowden and the people who post regularly on this blog.

  185. Flaming June

    21 Jun, 2013 - 8:30 am

    Watched QT last night mainly to see how Russell Brand stood up to the four right wingers, Boris, Jowell, Davey, and Mad Mel Phillips. Quite well.

    Melanie Phillips was allowed to have a rant against Iran (destruction of Israel, creating a nuclear bomb, etc) and some prophesy about Shia Muslims bringing about the Apocalypse and the creation of a Shia Messiah. She made the audience angry. It is obvious that people are more aware of the lies they are being fed by the media.

    Then ar the end of this segment, this question came from a lady in the audience. It was answered by Boris and swiftly squelched by Dimblebore. Quoted here from a Medialens contributor.

    ‘Pertinent Israel-related question from audience member quickly trampled over and left behind ignored

    Posted by nadimhanbury on June 20, 2013, 11:42 pm, in reply to “Mad Mel….living up to her name and losing it…Iran wiping Israel off the map and all! (nm)”

    At the end of the section discussing Syria (and Iran), an audience member very eloquently and politely was (regrettably no doubt) allowed to ask: (sic)
    “With the new Iranian president assuring greater transparency of its nuclear programme, dont you think the international community should demand the same of Israel?”
    Over to Boris, who knows the score, and he talks for a minute or so just about Iran, then “we have to move on”!
    Worth watching for the unspoken pro Zionist teamwork evident between Dimbo and Boris. Brand was looking as if he wanted to speak, but unfortunately didn’t jump in.
    About 10 mins from the end, right at the end of discussion of a parliamentary vote on arming Syrian opposition.

    Biased in the extreme, as usual on the subject of Israel.’

    The Phillips rant is at on 35mins 45secs the player.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b02zc9l5/Question_Time_20_06_2013/

    Other subjects discussed, apart from arming Syrian rebels, were drug decriminalisation and the high cost of rents in London.

  186. Archbishop Takes Bung Investigation Shock Horror

    Sentamu to resign after he laundered cash for Russian expats?

    No, not really, sorry. Wrong chief druid:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/yona-metzger-interrogated-israels-chief-rabbi-suspected-of-fraud_n_3473175.html

  187. Flaming June

    21 Jun, 2013 - 9:20 am

    Doublespeak on the BBC.

    When is a ‘rebel’ a ‘militant’?

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1371800048.html

  188. Flaming June

    21 Jun, 2013 - 9:49 am

    Prejudice, racism and violence against the Palestinians.

    Big Racists vs Little Racists
    How Israeli apartheid is coming unstuck

    by Jonathan Cook / June 21st, 2013
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/06/big-racists-vs-little-racists/

  189. I watched QT last night and am appalled that the BBC now needs to goad the public into reacting with the likes of elanie Phillips. Not only was the audience more clued up, even the panel did not agree with her.

    I don’t know about the past history of Melanie Phillips and Dick Dimbleby, but her appearance on this infotainment program is clearly down to more than just bias.
    @komodo, Yona Metzgers arrest was only for fraud, money laundering and accepting bribes, Who knows what the archbishop of Canterbury gets up to, or the new pope, people in position of trust and power, blah blah.

    Just shows that humanity whence placed into any position of power, regardless of its ethics aims or objectives being communitarian and/or humanitarian, it will be abused for personal gain.

    What this means is that the value systems ion this world are collapsing like a pack of cards. Trust in religious organisations who for decades have abused their congregation and their offspring has resulted in a flight from established religions throughout the western world and I expect us to enter a period of anarchy in all its forms.

  190. “A short item on the story appeared at the end of the “Today” programme but there has been no further mention, indicating that the BBC is fully on board with the D-Notice.”

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/21/cens-j21.html

  191. “Questions surround death of journalist Michael Hastings”

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/21/hast-j21.html

  192. I watched QT last night and am appalled that the BBC now needs to goad the public into reacting with the likes of elanie Phillips. Not only was the audience more clued up, even the panel did not agree with her.

    I don’t watch QT any longer. Though I have heard that Melanie Philips was booed and jeered by the audience in the last night episode. This ziofuckwitess along with the rest of the hasbara brigade (check her bio note the sycophantic undertones probably written by the hasbara personnel) are relentless in their fight against their perceived enemies of the zionistan that is mainly everyone on the planet other than the ziofuckwits themselves.

    These virulent, racist (evidently she has referred to the audience as “Ignorant” and “brainwashed by the Muslims”), crazy bastards have been the diet of the bbc current affairs for so long, and this it the kind of shite spewed that formed the basis of my decision not to watch QT anymore. Fact that these lunatics have been proved to be mendacious liars and have zero credibility to be shoved into the living rooms of the people whom have been mugged for the license fee, is beyond the pale.

  193. Are you referring to Welby Nevermind? Will he go to Gaza or to the ‘West Bank’? We will see.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/the-first-jewish-archbishop-of-canterbury-heads-to-israel/

  194. Thanx Mary I did not see your post, will watch the nodes you have highlighted (I have brought no bucket along, so cannot watch the whole of the program).

  195. The thread on Medialens http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1371755902.html
    about last night’s QT includes a link to this sneering piece from White of the Guardian.

    Russell Brand rules Question Time’s clash of the egos
    BBC lines comedian up with Boris Johnson and Melanie Phillips but the arguments fizzle rather than sizzle

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2013/jun/21/russell-brand-question-time

  196. yes I was June, who can trust any of the cassocks these days.
    @Someone, the eyewitness account of ‘hearing an explosion like a bomb, making the windows rattle’ sounds pretty comprehensive.
    Why should a car explode when hitting a palm tree front on? the tank is in the back, its unlikely to say the least.
    But if you put a timed charge next to the petrol tank and one next to the steering rack and follow his car with a detonator at the ready, this could be done.

    I don’t think that there will be much evidence left to prove very much, fire works.
    How long did it take for the fire brigade to arrive? anybody know?

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