The Big Gay Wedding

by craig on May 11, 2014 9:33 am in Uncategorized

As long term readers know, I love the Eurovision Song Contest. It is just so much fun and so resoundingly daft. Graham Norton’s comment last night, “it’s like the gay wedding I’ll never have”, summed it up rather well. We also learnt that Danish humour is impenetrable. Having once spent a week there living with Danish friends, I guess a country that seems to live on raw fish and raw eggs will forever shimmer beyond my comprehension. Like Hamlet’s mind – impossible to understand completely, but marvelous.

I was however saddened by the audience booing of the two young Russian girls. That was really nasty and unfair. They were scarcely more than children, for goodness sake. Putin is not their fault. That booing was an exhibition of racism; nothing else you can call it. If people wanted to make a point, they could have screamed for the Ukrainian girl – they didn’t have to boo the young Russians.

People always complain about political voting, but I think that’s half the fun. I always enjoy the voting far more than most of the singing. Last night, I think, was political voting in a wonderful way. It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be. It wasn’t the first time either – I remember a similarly gender challenging singer from Israel winning some years ago. What was even better this year, was that another stereotype was also challenged, in that Conchita swept up much support from Eastern as well as Western Europe. Let it be said that she had a damn good song too.

We voted for the Polish girls. I thought the honesty of their approach was brilliant, and reminded me of so many happy days in Warsaw in my youth. Good to see women doing the washing too.*

All in all, great fun and a life-affirming evening. Now to clear away all the mess – why did I stick all those empty Prosecco bottles on the front garden railings?

*Private joke for my friends at Russia Today media (formerly trading as Indymedia).

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389 Comments

  1. Yes you do have previous form!
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=eurovision

    What happened in 2012? There seems to be a blank. Sweden apparently won then in that outpost of democracy, Baku.

  2. Roll forward to 2019 and a hyperthetical win by a female to male gender disphoric person.
    Would a woman, feeling the man inside and with beart, equally good at singing and standing on one spot without moving, enthrall the audience, medusa like?

  3. You’re a queer, Craig, and your wife will be leaving soon.

  4. Enoch

    Now I’ve been accused of many things in my time, but I think that’s a first! Now, how did a sorry individual like you come to be on this website in the first place?

  5. You could say that about a lot of folk that frequent your Blog, but we always come back.

    We all lurv you Craig.

  6. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 12:59 pm

    I always thought the best bits of the Eurovision Song Contest, as relayed by the BBC, were the commentary by (was it?) Terry Wogan. Is the new British commentator, whoever he/she is, the same/any good?

  7. For those of you who remember the comic genius Kenny Everett’s Cupid Stunt…….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aPrOuPxLno

  8. Habbabkuk

    It is Graham Norton

    http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/may/11/eurovision-conchita-won-out-over-prejudice

    Austria creamed it, winning in style with the not-notably-heterosexual bearded drag act Conchita Wurst, who had sung a Bond anthem called, if my notes are correct, Rise Like A Penis.

    Btw, Russia awarded Ukraine 7 points and Ukraine awarded Russia 4 points.
    Russian telephone voting put Austria at No 3. Overall Russia awarded Austria 5 points. In Ukraine the Russian entry was the third most popular song in televoting (Poland and Armenia at 1 and 2).

    All the Eurovision voting stats at links below.

    http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=RU (Russian votes)
    http://www.eurovision.tv/page/results?event=1893&voter=UA (Ukraine votes)

  9. Very odd that the audience, most of which could not have pointed to Crimea on a map a few months ago, were so well drilled at booing the Russian contenders whenever they appeared or were mentioned.

    I know the Russians take the contest very seriously, but they should withdraw from it on the grounds that the it has been turned from a singing contest into an EU propaganda platform and degenerate freak show.

    And when did Turkey, Azerbaijan and least of all, Israel, become part of Europe?

  10. The audience’s pathetic booing of Russia’s teenage Tolmachevy twins is the reason I voted for them (by landline and mobile).

  11. My favourites were Vicky Leandros with Apres Toi and My Love is Blue. Going back a bit!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka89ORFu_Tc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkwzkOs82g#t=113

  12. Israel televoting put the Russians at No 3 as well.

    History of European Broadcasting Union – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Broadcasting_Union

    Israel joined in 1957

    Ukraine came 6th
    Russia 7th.
    UK 17th

    Ukraine and Russia both gave zero points to the UK.

  13. Thanks for that, Squonk. You’re the Bill Frindall of Eurovision stats. Well done to Russell Brand for the winning song anyway.

  14. Anybody who boos the Russians for being Russian, needs to step back and look into the mirror.

    What other people in modern times has thrown off the evil yoke of socialism by their own courage? First by defeating the Nazis, and then by defeating Communism, despite the huge financial support from its international Jewish sponsors; Russians have won through against the odds.

    Meanwhile the west becomes ever more morally corrupt, not knowing a hawk from a heron; arse from quim; or piety from virtue.

  15. Squonk

    “Austria creamed it, winning in style with the not-notably-heterosexual bearded drag act Conchita Wurst, who had sung a Bond anthem called, if my notes are correct, Rise Like A Penis.”

    I’m told that Conchita is slang for a pussy and Wurst is, of course, a sausage.

    Which brings me to Craig’s “It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be.”.

    Yes, a bearded lady calling itself a cockgina could be considered “gender-challenging” I suppose. Defininitely a PhD in there somewhere.

  16. “Meanwhile the west becomes ever more morally corrupt”

    Ah, but s/he was challenging genderisms, you see. And that “Peace and Unity” bit at the end had the bien-pensant liberal elite gushing with delight as they sipped their Proseccos.

  17. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 4:32 pm

    “And that “Peace and Unity” bit at the end had the bien-pensant liberal elite gushing with delight”
    _________________

    A particularly well-chosen metaphor in the context of a song sung by a Wurst, if I may say so.

    Nevermind pls confirm.

  18. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 4:41 pm

    “What other people in modern times has thrown off the evil yoke of socialism by their own courage? First by defeating the Nazis, and then by defeating Communism, despite the huge financial support from its international Jewish sponsors; Russians have won through against the odds.”
    _________________

    Something a bit strange about that comment, Jimmy Giro.

    Are you saying that Communism (and perhaps the Nazis) received huge financial support from international Jewish sponsors, or did you mean that it was the Russian people that received this huge financial support (in which case they wouldn’t have thrown off the yoke of socialism “by their own courage)?

    If the former, then we are in the realm of pure nonsense; if the latter, then you are contradicting yourself.

    Please take lessons in greater drafting clarity. There are any number of commenters on here who would, I’m sure, be delighted to help…

  19. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 4:46 pm

    “Habbabkuk

    It is Graham Norton”
    _________________

    Thank you, AlcAnon. Is his approach to presenting the contest similar to Terry Wogan’s?

  20. Anon seems to have changed avatars since 7 May
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/dysfunction-in-nigeria/#comment-456718
    or changed e-mail address/IP address?

    Or maybe that is another Anon commenting above.

    Anyway, no need to being everything down to lowest common denominator.

  21. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    Mary

    “Anon seems to have changed avatars since 7 May
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/dysfunction-in-nigeria/#comment-456718
    or changed e-mail address/IP address?

    Or maybe that is another Anon commenting above.”
    _________________

    You said something similar about me, albeit on Squonk’s blog.

    Are you in anyway related to Miss Marple?

  22. s/be Anyway, there is no need to bring everything down to the lowest common denominator.

  23. The Dutch entry that came runner-up was actually very good imo.

  24. @ Haveacock (Lack a bell-end)

    What other people in modern times have thrown off the evil yoke of socialism by their own courage? First by defeating the Nazis; and then by defeating Communism. Despite the huge financial support for socialist systems, by international Jewish sponsors, Russians have won through, against the odds.

    Any better?

  25. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    11 May, 2014 - 7:16 pm

    Jimmy Giro

    That’s much better, thanks for making the effort.

    Could you now flesh out, with examples, your thought that international Jewish sponsors provided huge financial support for socialist systems?

  26. I agree Jimmy booing, hooting or cat-calling Russians is not using our intelligence. Perhaps we need to look closely at ourselves. What do we believe?

    We cheer whistle-blowers here. They risk everything to expose distortion of the truth, subterfuge and corruption.

    Annie Machon gives us the insight we need to awaken intractable, mulish and pig headed minds; to realise we are all dispensable, trivial cogs in a merciless, apathetic and venomous machine.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwDNW0_O18w

    With love and thanks.

  27. Quite a number of comments from Anonymous. Busy person. Funny name. Or else, embarrassed to put a name to kooky comments.

  28. Bankers funded communists to topple the Tsar, because he wanted to remain outside their system of debt slavery.

    Job done.

    They then funded the Nazis to topple the communists, hoping to then bring Russia within their financial control.

    Failed.

    Not used to losing, they then snatched a victory of sorts by portraying this emboldened USSR as a threat to the US and Europe, enabling them to build up their military power within the West.

    Soviet Union collapses.

    The bankers think they’ve won. Their people are sent in to rape and plunder Russian resources. They talk nobly of globalisation, the global village and how happy we’ll all be in this new world. For good measure they undermine Russia’s European friend, Serbia.

    Then, amidst massive destruction of Russian lives and economy, Putin comes to power, throws the bankers friends out and creates a sovereign currency.

    Things improve for Russia, and the bankers realise they’ll now have to do it bit by bit.

    First thing they do is neutralize those smaller energy rich countries, for fear they may consider selling energy in a currency other than USD. They realise that this would collapse the dollar, since the only thing holding the heavily indebted US together is the maintenance of the dollar as reserve currency.

    Iraq, Libya and Sudan are dispatched to chaos and slaughter. Iran is next for the same treatment, but first they must destroy Syria.

    They fail in Syria.

    Now they realise they’ll have to fatally undermine Russia itself.

    Luckily, all the while they’ve been hoovering up former Warsaw Pact countries on Russia’s borders, failing in Georgia and with Ukraine still ongoing. By these means they hope to weaken Russia enough that she’ll submit or at worst she’ll quickly be defeated in any nuclear engagement.

    That’s where we are.

    This is a fight where the result will be one of two outcomes. Either the West wins overall control and the dollar remains dominant, or it collapses to nothing.

    These are Banker wars.

    In order to better fight this war, Western countries removed banking controls in the 1990s. All the financial chaos and misery you see about you is a product of that, and is enabling bankers to hoover up Western resources.

    They’ve been thinking ahead. You see, even if the dollar loses this battle the bankers will have amassed enough material wealth to sustain themselves as power moves east. Even when they lose, they win.

    If the West loses, many western countries will be placed under fascist rule as this is the tried and tested way of preserving elite wealth during what will be a time of economic stasis and mass poverty in the US and much of the West.

    One thing’s for sure. Ordinary people will suffer. They always do in bankers wars.

  29. Glenn Greenwald wipes the floor with banker military and academic muppets:

    “The actual debate starts about 27 minutes into the video below”

    http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/watch_glenn_greenwald_debate_the_former_head_of_the_nsa_20140507

  30. @ Mark Golding

    I love Annie’s voice.

  31. Testing to see if I am banned. JM

  32. JM

    No, why would you be?

  33. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    11 May, 2014 - 11:28 pm

    Herbie; The only doors GG is blowing off is the door of dissemenation. You should look at comments on Intercept. Muscle atrophy caused by lack of use.

  34. Well done Herbie, a good summation of the Machiavillian maneouverings that are underway to preserve the petrodollar, and the root source of American exceptionalism.
    The muppets continue in buy into the anti Russian propaganda emanating from the US Ministry of Lies & Fabrication.
    The methods of Lous Edward Bernays have been well honed by the US spin machine.

  35. In a few years maybe Scotland will be allowed its’ own entry into the ESC ?

    Might I suggest a bunch of kilted bagpipe blowing men ( no underware to be worn of course to keep up tradition) wallowing around in a sea of crude oil, and a caber tossing transvestite as background amusement. Perhaps Alex Salmond as the front man, it doesn’t matter if he can sing or not nor does it matter too much about the song, only the performance and any implied or overt political message.

  36. They are already in rehearsal mode, it’s the Euro connection.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7OnzJhM5i4

  37. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 May, 2014 - 2:25 am

    Richard Clarke, lol. Shill.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKIVlxUm0o

  38. Shills???

    This feckin blog is full of them.

  39. James Mason,

    It’s a testament to Craig’s tolerance you aint banned.

    Your historical posts were abysmal,nasty.

    But feel free to start again.

    I only do contrary late night posts to noise up the trolls,deflectively,so Mary gets a clean posting run early doors…:.)

    The fools haven’t figured that out yet…lol.

  40. Jives. LOL! Ta.

    72% of the great British public do not trust politicians according to a new You Gov poll. Well. Surprise! Surprise!

  41. All you ever wanted to know as to the reasons behind the Ukainian crisis. Long article , but then there are a lot of cooks in that particular kitchen, that brought it to the boil, but burned the dinner.

    http://www.outsiderclub.com/warning-the-ukraine-is-at-a-flashpoint/960

  42. Ba'al Zevul (The Sun Has Got His Hat On)

    12 May, 2014 - 8:43 am

    I once watched that Eurovision Song Contest. Never again.

  43. Thanks Salford Lad for the article. Not much new there but accurate nonetheless. I left a comment, waiting approval.

    “Good article.

    ‘Of course, those are just the wars we know about.’ If my memory serves correctly the US, according to Russia Today, has taken military intervention in 360 countries since 1945.

    Wake up world. There is a wolf huffing and puffing at your door..If you have a house of straw, it will fall. If you have a house of wood, it will fall. Unfortunately, if you have a house of brick, it too will fall. This is one big, bad wolf!”

  44. craigmurray.org.uk

    12 May, 2014 - 9:26 am

    James Mason, no your not banned, it was mistaken identity. Sorry.

  45. “The EU and US have deemed the polls illegal, and Ukraine’s interim government called the vote a “farce”.”

    But elections held in Iraq during US occupation were a “triumph of democracy”.

    Funny, that.

  46. In a country where spivs and crooks make it big, the chief spiv defends a tax avoider and says he shouldn’t lose his OBE. Barlow has done a lot for his ‘country’ and for ‘charidee’. Quite so Mr Barlow – the National Society for the Avoidance of Tax.

    Take That star Gary Barlow should keep OBE – Cameron
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27364089

    He was speaking to the airhead ex BBC Breakfast presenter turned Strictly Come Dancing finalist who negotiated herself a £1m pa contract with Mr Crozier’s ITV, he latterly of Royal Mail.

    Adam Crozier earned over £8m in 2013
    ITV chief’s remuneration rises by 189% on 2012, boosted by shares awarded in 2010 and company’s performance share plan
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/20/adam-crozier-eight-million-pay-2013

    Before ITV, he was in receipt of some £millions from the Royal Mail.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246760/Adam-Crozier-gets-ITV-job-Royal-Mail-debacle.html

    PS Ms Reid on ITV’s Breakfast programme is dire, as the ratings show. Should have stuck with the sequins and fake tan Susanna. A silly woman.
    http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/367811/Breakfast-show-presenter-Susannah-Reid-in-tug-of-war-with-ex-partner-for-child-custody

    PPS It’s all $millions now. Have you noticed?

  47. Paul Edward Winston White, Baron Hanningfield:

    Hanningfield’s was charged with six counts of false accounting and his trial at Chelmsford Crown Court began on 16 May 2011. Prosecuting counsel Clare Montgomery QC accused Hanningfield of claiming for overnight stays in London when he had in fact returned to his home in Essex.

    On one occasion, when he claimed reimbursement for an overnight stay in London, he was actually on a plane to India.

    He was sentenced to nine months’ imprisonment.

    Todays news from the BBC:

    Lord Hanningfieln ordered to repay [another] £3,300 expenses and suspended from the Lords until end of current Parliament.

    I wonder why he hasn’t been charged with fraud this time. He seems to be a repeat offender.

  48. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:17 am

    Mr Scorgie

    “Lord Hanningfieln ordered to repay [another] £3,300 expenses and suspended from the Lords until end of current Parliament.

    I wonder why he hasn’t been charged with fraud this time. He seems to be a repeat offender.”
    ___________________

    Possibly because it wasn’t a case of false accounting (fraud) this time?

    Can you provide more information on why he had to repay £3.300 expenses, to justify your comment, which I note you have framed carefully in order to – just – avoid libelling the Noble Lord?

    Thanks.

  49. More like Nobhead Lord, print and be damned.

  50. I read about that Doug and gave a wry smile to myself.

    To be suspended I note! Not from the yard arm we trust.

    Lord Hanningfield set to be suspended over expenses breach
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27373115

    A pretence of justice served and delivered. Just a drop in the ocean of course. No mention of the lobby groups and the profiteering of many others in both ‘hices’.

  51. Spendthrifts in what is the land of plenty for some.

    19 March 2013 L
    ord Hanningfield office at Essex County Council spending published
    Lord Hanningfield Lord Hanningfield was leader of Essex County Council from 2001 until 2010

    Hanningfield wins damages action
    Expenses fraud peer could be sued
    Peer spent £286k on council card

    Staff who worked for the disgraced peer Lord Hanningfield spent about £70,000 on Essex County Council credit cards in his last two-and-half years there.

    Lord Hanningfield was jailed in 2011 for falsely claiming £28,000 in parliamentary expenses.

    The council office staff spending details released cover 2007 to 2010.

    The authority said although some of the purchases would not now be deemed “wholly necessary” they were “legitimate” at the time.

    Staff purchases included tens of thousands of pounds on travel to places such as Washington, Delhi, Shanghai, Helsinki, Hong Kong and the Caribbean.

    ‘Legitimate at time’

    Other items bought include £180 on suit hire for a trip to Royal Ascot, a stay at The Goring in Belgravia and a £185.50 meal at Loch Fyne where arrangements for the annual budget were finalised.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-21841873

  52. No Need for Bitterness
    by Paul Lojeski / May 11th, 2014

    Look, don’t put
    yourself out on
    my account. If

    you can’t pay
    me a living wage
    or the minimum

    wage or any wage
    at all, don’t worry
    about it, be happy

    cause it’s all the
    same groove,
    whether the road

    to riches beyond
    imagination or the
    wheel of bone

    breaking poverty
    beyond conception,
    it doesn’t matter.

    This is, after all,
    the American dream
    and dreams are

    often nightmares.
    That’s the way it is,
    so pay me whatever

    you want to or don’t
    pay me a plug nickel
    but, please, do me

    a favor and take your
    fucking boot from off
    my bleeding neck.

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/no-need-for-bitterness/

  53. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:48 am

    And back on topic – the Eurovision song contest 2014.

    Thought readers might be interested in the following, out of good ol’ Russia.

    A respectable continental newspaper reports as follows (my translation):

    “While the Eurovision song contest has already provided the stage for other demands for human rights and tolerance, this is the first time that a country – Russia – has intervened in such a way in the very organisation of the contest.

    When the Austrian victory was announced, the Russian vice-premier Dmitri Rogozine confirmed on Twitter his poor opinion of Conchita Wurts’ appearance on the show by opining that the result of the Eurovision contest “has given the supporters of European integration a glimpse if what awaits them if they join Europe, ie., a bearded girl”. For his part, the nationalist Vladimir Jirinovsky, speaking on the Russian public TV station Rossiya-1, stressed that “our indignation knows no bounds. This is the end of Europe. Europe has gone mad. There aren’t any men and women there any longer, just “its” instead.”.

    Nice guys! :)

    ********************

    “Life has become better, life has become merrier!” (J. Stalin, ca. 1934)

  54. Ba'al Zevul (The Sun Has Got His Hat On)

    12 May, 2014 - 11:48 am

    ‘Big Gay Wedding?’

    On this day of all days (as my local ATM informed me this morning), Craig. Tut.

    http://dayagainsthomophobia.org/

  55. You are quite right about the shame of booing those poor Russian girls. I felt very badly for them. It was boorish. Certainly not worthy of any event with the name Europe in it.
    Is there any way to let them know that that was an aberration and that many Europeans want to apologize to them. Maybe a collective temporary site on your – or another’s – blog which gets thousands of signatures and cheerful comments to wish them well?

  56. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:54 am

    Mary

    Is that what you call poetry?

    For many lovers of poetry, it would simply be (not very illuminating) prose broken up into three-lone “verses”.

    What do the lovers of poetry on this blog – there are some who would see themselves as such – think of this effort? Short expletives allowed!

  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:56 am

    “Maybe a collective temporary site on your – or another’s – blog which gets thousands of signatures and cheerful comments to wish them well?”
    _____________________

    Don’t be so foolish.

    Or are you just guying readers? :)

  58. @Habby: So it looks as if Eurovision 2014 has had the unexpected consequence of further uniting Russia.

  59. Here in Vienna it certainly cheered us up.Winners at last.
    We’ve got the Life Ball coming up at the end of the month too.
    Bill Clinton makes his annual visit to the TGBL party against AIDS.
    I can see this bearded Tranny thing taking off.
    Spain was more to my taste. A diva without a beard.

  60. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 1:59 pm

    Peacewisher

    “@Habby: So it looks as if Eurovision 2014 has had the unexpected consequence of further uniting Russia.”
    ________________

    Absolutely! Several different strands of political opinion in Russia are united in their tolerance for LGTGs. Lovely place :)

  61. From the Sky report of the Rolf Harris trial -

    ‘The woman also told the court her mother had told her “never to trust a man with a beard”.

    Now what about a woman with a beard like Ms Wurst?

  62. Exclusive: Tory MP complains that ‘trendy intellectuals’ voted for ‘transvestite’ to win EurovisionPinkNews Exclusive.

    Tory MP Gordon Henderson has posted a rant about Eurovision winner Conchita Wurst, claiming that “trendy intellectuals” voted for a “transvestite” to win.

    Drag artist Conchita Wurst, played by Tom Neuwirth, was crowned the winner of yesterday’s contest, winning 290 points despite causing controversy in Eastern Europe.

    The Sittingbourne and Sheppey MP wrote on his Facebook page: “Some questions about tonight’s Eurovision Song Contest.

    “How can a bearded man with a rubbish song from a ‘second divison’ EU country dressed as a woman win?”

    “Why is it that the UK with the best pop industry in the World always do so badly? Does anybody care?”

    /..
    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/05/11/exclusive-tory-mp-complains-that-trendy-intellectuals-voted-for-transvestite-to-win-eurovision/

    He spends a lot of time filling in questionnaires.
    http://www.theyworkforyou.com/regmem/?p=24828

    Otherwise Tory lobby fodder. http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24828/gordon_henderson/sittingbourne_and_sheppey/votes

    but the non Tory politician he most admires is Farage! That will not go down very well at Millbank Tower.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Henderson_(politician)

  63. Sexual orientation is not important I repeat sexual orientation is not important.

    Further more many things are important I repeat many things are important.

    Human rights because of sexual orientation are important.

    Sexual orientation is not important!

    Environmental and welfare is animals and plants included equally.

  64. Or Mary.

    “A man with a beard has something to hide.”

    Yes, his chin.

    Actually the Russian word for chin is podborodok (Подбородок) which literally means ‘under the beard’. Whereas chin (чин) in Russian means rank, as in degree, rather than smell. Interesting but useless fact, unless you have a use for it. :)

  65. Ba'al Zevul (The Sun Has Got His Hat On)

    12 May, 2014 - 2:56 pm

  66. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 2:56 pm

    Mary

    Yes, Tory MP Gordon Henderson sounds almost as nasty as Russian vice-premier Dmitro Rogozine and red-fascist leader Vladimir Jirinovsky, doesn’t he.

    The difference being that he doesn’t have any bands of fascist thugs at his disposal, ready and eager to beat up (or worse) gays, lesbians and transgender people.

    Thank God we live in the UK.

    Although not a LGTG, I love the UK!

  67. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 2:57 pm

    As opposed to some, who “hate” the UK :)

  68. and don’t mess with Mrs Netanyahu.

    ‘Rivlin appears to have suffered a similar fate to others who expected major promotions from the prime minister only to get on the bad side of Sara. I’ve recounted a number of times how this happened to Yitzhak Ilan, who expected to be named Shabak chief, only to lose out to the eventual victor, Yoram Cohen. Madame LaFarge also got her revenge on Rivlin as this news account notes (Hebrew and English):

    Rivlin alluded to a cabal presided over by Bibi’s wife, and Avigdor Lieberman which worked to drive him from the Knesset speakership. “Seems to me there were only three people who didn’t want me to have the job. That is the chairman of Yisrael Beitenu and the prime minister.” Rivlin didn’t mention Sara Netanyahu by name, but referred to her as “the person always in the center of things but always behind the scene. I don’t go into gossip and such things.”’

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/05/12/sara-netanyahus-machinations-to-prevent-rivlin-from-winning-presidency/

  69. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 May, 2014 - 3:28 pm

    Palestinians don’t hate the geography of Palestine, just because it’s controlled by fascists in disguise. The land hasn’t done anything wrong in the UK either.

  70. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 5:25 pm

    Mary

    “…and don’t mess with Mrs Netanyahu.”
    ________________

    Your point is….?

  71. Freedonia Liberation Army

    12 May, 2014 - 5:25 pm

    OT but hilarious. US shitheads explaining our complex modern world.

    http://www.les-crises.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ukraine-pakistan-erreur-cnn.jpg

  72. AlcAnon yesterday 3.29pm

    The voting really was strange.

    Eurovision voting figures show juries and public clash
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27371264

    I noted that in the UK viewers had to phone in with their votes. No using the app. Lovely jubbly for BT and the other providers.

  73. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 11:17 am

    “Possibly because it wasn’t a case of false accounting (fraud) this time?”

    Well Habbabkuk, I just wondered why, with his history of criminality, the police were not asked to investigate.

    Of course it could all be down to a misunderstanding of the “rules” or a “clerical error” an “oversight on his part” or a “memory lapse”

    “Lord Hanningfield claims he had to fiddle expenses to look after his Chickens”

    http://www.news.nom.co/lord-hanningfield-claims-he-had-to-9291226-news/

    In my book that’s fraud.

    If he has committed fraud he should be back behind bars.

    Don’t you agree Habbabkuk?

  74. BrianFujisan

    12 May, 2014 - 6:44 pm

    Amazing how The Guardian Journalists perceive Thon J. Clarkson Rhyme scandal… more outrageous than.. the Illegal Slaughter we have engaged in… these last several years… a great response to it By the Guys at Medialens

    ” ….And this is the great lie of the Guardian, that it is not also the ‘pumping heart’ of the establishment, that it has not itself played a key role in facilitating the devastation of democracy at home and wars of aggression abroad. The lie is that the Guardian is offering us hope of something different, when in fact it supplies more of the same, or worse.

    Writer and researcher Alice Bell, who has appeared regularly in the Guardian since 2010, also joined the bandwagon suggesting to her Twitter followers:

    ‘If you haven’t complained to the BBC about Clarkson, but think you’d like to, this is the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/

    We asked Bell:

    ‘How many complaints have you suggested for BBC journalists who helped make war possible in Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya?’

    Bell replied:

    ‘there are many things the BBC have done that piss me off that I haven’t bothered to tweet a link to the complaints page for.’

    Bell, it seems, ‘bothered’ to tweet about Clarkson’s ‘eeny, meeny’ scandal but not about her government’s responsibility for some of the great crimes of modern history.

    This is a common and disastrous theme in contemporary society. As long as we are willing to perceive, or deem ourselves responsible for, only one small part of our world, the suffering of the world as a whole can be overlooked, or declared beyond our job spec: ‘I’m an oil executive, it’s not my job to protect the climate.’ ‘I’m an arms manufacturer, it’s not my job to prevent people killing each other.’ ‘I’m a science writer, it’s not my job to comment on my government’s war crimes.’

    As Jean-Jacques Rousseau wrote:

    ‘We have physicists, geometricians, chemists, astronomers, musicians and painters in plenty, but we no longer have a citizen among us.’

    Good piece here @

    http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/alert-archive/2014/764-eeny-meeny.html

  75. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 7:06 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 11:48 am

    “A respectable continental newspaper reports as follows (my translation):”

    Which respectable continental newspaper Habbabkuk?

    This is not the first time you mentioned “a respectable newspaper” and failed to give a link to it. I think the last one was a French paper.

    You didn’t link to that paper and you again translated it yourself.

    We don’t need you to translate anything Habbabkuk; just give us the link.

    I for one don’t trust the veracity of your postings, as your poor record in dealing with facts indicates.

    However, if what you say is genuine you could provide the link.

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 7:20 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “If he has committed fraud he should be back behind bars.

    Don’t you agree Habbabkuk?”
    ______________

    I do indeed, Doug. The operative word being “if”.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “Well Habbabkuk, I just wondered why, with his history of criminality, the police were not asked to investigate.”
    ______________

    Keep wondering, Doug, and come back to us once you’ve found the answer. With links, of course! :)

  77. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 7:25 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “However, if what you say is genuine you could provide the link.”
    ___________________

    You’ll just have to take my word for it, I’m afraid.

    What do you think about Messrs Rogozine’s and Jirinovsky’s utterances? Do you agree with them? I’ll let you speak for yourself, of course.

  78. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 7:29 pm

    Regime change in Venezuela still on US agenda?

    “Venezuelan Policeman Killed by Sniper While Clearing Protest Barricade in Caracas”
    May 9th

    “Yesterday at noon, Rafael Celestino Albino Arteaga, 44, Vargas state chief of the Venezuelan Bolivarian Intelligence Service (SEBIN), was shot dead by an unidentified male assailant in a shopping mall in the western city of Maracay.”

    “This marks the second murder of a Venezuelan intelligence officer in recent weeks, the first being Eliecer Otaiza…”
    May 11th

  79. doug scorgie

    12 May, 2014 - 7:38 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 7:25 pm

    “You’ll just have to take my word for it, I’m afraid.”

    I can’t do that Habbabkuk because you have a history of disingenuous posts.

    “What do you think about Messrs Rogoziane’s and Jirinovsky’s utterances?”

    I can’t say Habbabkuk because you haven’t provided a link to that respectable newspaper.

    Is what you said genuine or did you make it up? No-one can be sure with you Habbabkuk.

    A link might help clear your name.

  80. ” Putin is not their fault.”

    What you trying say here? That Putin is somehow more of a war criminal that, say, David Cameron of Tripoli, or Barak Obama of Odessa?

    Seems to me Putin is among the more sane national leaders, which is fortunate, since otherwise the US would already succeeded in using Nulandistan to ignite a world war.

  81. from the venerable schoolmaster, usually heard berating others for their mistakes, an easy score for him.

    Maybe he would like to use this opportunity to castigate/castrate himself for a change.

    “When the Austrian victory was announced, the Russian vice-premier Dmitri Rogozine confirmed on Twitter his poor opinion of Conchita Wurts’ appearance on the show by opining that the result of the Eurovision contest “has given the supporters of European integration a glimpse if what awaits them if they join Europe, ie., a bearded girl”.

    So you think that Dmitri twittered ‘ Wurts’ and not Wurst,the correct term for sausage, did you?
    You have to show us that he made this mistakes and not you, otherwise you’d look a right charlie, would you not, dear?

  82. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 8:26 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Is what you said genuine or did you make it up? No-one can be sure with you Habbabkuk.”
    __________________

    The record of the current Russian govt, as well as that of other left-fascists like Mr Jirinovsky, is such that I don’t need to make anything up, Doug; their words are well documented and their opinions well known.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    ““What do you think about Messrs Rogoziane’s and Jirinovsky’s utterances?”

    I can’t say Habbabkuk because you haven’t provided a link to that respectable newspaper.”

    __________________

    You’re being evasive, because you were invited to say what you thought about their sentiments. Could you explain how not having the link prevents you from letting us know whether or not you approve of those sentiments?

    Failure to give us your opinion would lead to one of the following two conclusions:

    1/. You agree with the sentiments expressed by Messrs Rogozine and Jirinovsky

    or

    2/. You disagree but, for some reason why can only guess at, do not wish to say so.

    Your choice, Doug.

  83. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 8:32 pm

    Nevermind

    “So you think that Dmitri twittered ‘ Wurts’ and not Wurst,the correct term for sausage, did you?
    You have to show us that he made this mistakes and not you, otherwise you’d look a right charlie, would you not, dear?”
    __________________

    Actually, the whole newspaper article (including the bit I quoted) gave the singer’s surname as “Wurts”.

  84. Scouse Billy

    12 May, 2014 - 8:46 pm

    ConSpeccy, re.”Putin is not their fault”

    I was wondering too what our host meant.

    Here, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts – former US Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy – gives a detailed analysis of the crisis in Ukraine, and an assessment of the Western propaganda war being waged against Russia.

    Setting the discussion in the context of decades of US imperialism, and identifying the current crisis as largely agitated by Washington through its NGOs, Dr. Roberts reveals how Ukraine fits into the neocon game plan for world hegemony. But, as he explains, this insane goal for a nuclear “checkmate” by Washington against its geopolitical opponents on The Grand Chess Board is reckless in the extreme; for just like WWI, it could spiral out of control, but unlike WWI, it could lead to Armageddon.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k11v8WOVT2U

  85. Prediction of next years winners harmonious farting lesbians?

    OK Guff over…
    Craig may I ask you to read this.
    Huseyin Celil, Serving Life Sentence In China, ‘Forgotten’ By Canada, Says His Wife
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/07/05/huseyin-celil-china-life-sentence-uighur-minority_n_1650283.html

  86. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    12 May, 2014 - 10:10 pm

    “Prediction of next years winners harmonious farting lesbians?”

    From your mouth to Craig’s ears. I think you’ve just titled his next post.

  87. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    12 May, 2014 - 11:39 pm

    Scouse Billy

    It’s interesting to see how a number of commenters on this blog never fail to attempt to give credence to Dr Roberts’ pronouncements by reminding us that he is a ” former US Assistant Secretary of the Treasury”.

    May I point out that Dr Roberts was an AS for all of 11 months over 30 years ago and that there were (and still are) around 11 ASs at the US Treasury? Moreover, there are some hundreds of thousands of PhDs in the United States.

    It is clear to anyone who follows him on Counterpunch and on other fora that the man is a hayseed and is not to be taken seriously.

  88. Habbacack – you are entitled to your(?) opinion.

    All you managed there was an ad hominem and a qualification to my correct representation of him.

    I don’t normally engage trolls especially bottom of the barrel species but I am making an exception just this once.

    Here’s another respected geo-political analyst, William Engdahl with a very similar take on the Ukraine situation:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiBdbm_B9jg

  89. re.”Putin is not their fault”

    I was wondering too what our host meant.

    Here’s the source of the mindset, probably:

    The World According to TIME Magazine

  90. @Scouse Billy: That guy really understands his history!

    I’ve been digging around Wikipedia gathering information on Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, but William fills in the gaps and puts it all in context. Can’t repeat the YouTube URL but highly recommended.

    Why wasn’t NATO abandoned after the collapse of the Soviet Union?

  91. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 1:01 am

    ConSpeccy, indeed, although there are many neo-con mouthpieces or gobshites in my vernacular.

    This is a very different mind set – whether or not there are any dots to connect is, as yet, unclear:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f7wOxw4fQI

    ;)

  92. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 1:12 am

    Peacewisher, yes Engdahl is one of the good guys – his exposee of Monsanto, Seeds of Destruction cooked the GMO goose to a fair extent in China.

    See above link (reply to ConSpeccy) if you’re into Joseph P Farrell’s work – recent interview with Catherine Austin Fitts

  93. Eurovision, originally conceived as a means of unifying a war-torn Europe, was arguably the most visible symbol of European unity prior to the European Union. In keeping with political trends, the former Eastern bloc countries were invited to join the contest shortly after the breakup of the Soviet Union.

    In 2012, Turkey surprised Israel by sending Can Bonomo, a Jewish singer to represent 99.7% Muslim nation.

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/01/21/jew-singer-represents-turkey-at-2012-eurovision-song-contest/

  94. FROM Prof Michael Hudson;
    Finance in today’s world has become war by non-military means. Its object is the same as that of military conquest: appropriation of land and basic infrastructure, and the rents that can be extracted as tribute. In today’s world this is taken mainly in the form of debt service and privatization. That is how neoliberalism works, subduing economies by indebting their governments and using unpayably high debts as a lever to pry away the public domain at distress prices. It is what today’s New Cold War is all about. Backed by the IMF and European Central Bank (ECB) as knee-breakers in what has become in effect a financial extension of NATO, the aim is for U.S. and allied investors to appropriate the plums that kleptocrats have taken from the public domain of Russia, Ukraine and other post-Soviet economies in these countries, as well as whatever assets remain.

    In a recent interview in The New York Review of Books, George Soros outlines what he thinks should be done for the Ukraine. It should “encourage its companies to improve their management by finding European partners.”[2]

    This means that kleptocrats should sell major ownership shares in their companies to Westerners. This would give the West a stake in protecting them, pressuring their government to tax labor rather than the wealthy, and helping them cash out and keep their takings in London and New York to finance Western economies, not that of Ukraine.
    http://michael-hudson.com/2014/05/the-new-cold-wars-ukraine-gambit/

  95. “It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be. ”

    That is slave mentality, how someone from being an innocent child becomes someone portraying themselves in that way reflects society’s present inane situation.

    As man once said ” it’s all bullshit”

  96. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 9:13 am

    @ Jay -(Re: “It was a joyful expression of approval for the idea that human beings can and should be what they want to be. ”)

    What you said. Also it rather discounts the practical outcome of one lot of humans wanting to be (say)evangelical Protestants alongside another lot wanting to be (say) doctrinaire Catholics, while each party wants to fulfil itself by converting the other. Or humans who want to be career serial killers…

    More. It’s a tangible expression of infantilisation. Which, from the dumbed-down weather forecast to the babyish shellsuit and the McDonald’s cult of instant gratification, to say nothing of the increased prevalence of men weeping in public, is an intentional means of preventing people thinking for themselves.

    Maybe when we have dealt with needs we can allow ourselves to deal with wants?

  97. I agree Craig, I have never before heard an act being booed, and it was indeed shocking.

    Look on the bright side. After Scottish independence, I imagine Scotland would have to qualify for the finals. ENWI, of course, would retain their “permanent seat” therefore continuing to receive their “veto”… no points. (Only a joke folks).

    I do not believe it would change the audience share of British viewers though. As you are right. There is something compulsive about this intriguing spectacle.

  98. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 8:26 pm

    [to me] “You’re being evasive…”

    From your original post Habbabkuk on 12 May, 2014 – 11:48 am you said:

    “A respectable continental newspaper reports as follows (my translation)…”

    I asked you to provide a link to that newspaper so I could check for myself but you have refused to provide that link or even the title of the newspaper.

    I accept that what the two Russians said is widely reported but; which “respectable continental newspaper” were you quoting from?

  99. Eurovision Gay Wedding?Who cares what flavour they are?A musician friend of mine once said that the only way to get on in music business is the gay way. Without wishing to sound homophobic,it all smacks of just another chapter in social engineering.There always has been and will be gay peoples but to have it pushed down our throats at every turn is beginning to drive me insane.The Moscow Olympics became the focus of the Gay movement,the hard sell gay’s better than being closet heterosexual.But the Arab dictatorships can carry on punishing their gay peoples.No desert song contest for them.

  100. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 11:33 am

    Mr Scorgie

    “I asked you to provide a link to that newspaper so I could check for myself”
    _____________________

    What is it you need to “check”?

    Obviously not the fact that they said what they did, because you yourself have said that you “accept that what the two Russians said is widely reported”.

    Is it my translation you wish to check?

  101. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 8:32 pm

    “Actually, the whole newspaper article (including the bit I quoted) gave the singer’s surname as “Wurts”.”

    Which newspaper was that Habbabkuk?

  102. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 11:39 pm

    [on Paul Craig Roberts]

    “…the man is a hayseed and is not to be taken seriously.”

    A bit like you then Habbabkuk.

  103. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    13 May, 2014 – 11:33 am

    “Mr Scorgie, What is it you need to “check”?”

    Habbabkuk, you are being very evasive about this so-called “respectable continental newspaper”

    Why won’t you give the link?

    What have you got to hide Habbabkuk?

  104. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 12:23 pm

    I do read your posts, Doug, but I am addicted to Habbabreak, and forced only to read what others quote from the idiot H. I think you should continue to press him for his source for what was presumably a vacuous and/or unconstructive remark, though of course I cannot be sure.

    It’s interesting to see what H considers to be a ‘hayseed’ in terms of general accomplishment. I hope I have the right Paul Craig Roberts here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts

    He has taken positions different from former Republican allies, opposing the War on Drugs and the War on Terror, and criticizing Israel’s policies and actions against the Palestinians.

    I dare say H’s snidery has something to do with that. Or maybe it’s just that he thinks for himself?

    I’m moved to get hold of The Failure of Laissez-Faire Capitalism and the Economic Erosion of the West (2012), anyway. Thanks for the heads-up!

  105. @ Scouse Billy ,

    If Habba had his own opinions it would be fine, but he spouts what his employers pay him to

    spout.Didn’t we get script that could block him from our personal logins ?

  106. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 12:35 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    12 May, 2014 – 8:32 pm

    “Actually, the whole newspaper article (including the bit I quoted) gave the singer’s surname as “Wurts”.”

    Which newspaper was that Habbabkuk?”
    _______________________

    A respectable francophone publication, Doug – but which may have inverted the last two letters of the singer’s name.

    Is it my translation you wish to “check”? Failing a rapid reply to this question, I shall consider correspondence closed on this issue (only until the next time I post quotations from other newspapers, of course)

    Have a nice day now!

  107. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 12:42 pm

    “Or maybe it’s just that he thinks for himself?” (above)
    Should read: “Or maybe it’s just that Roberts thinks for himself?”

    The proposition that H might think for himself is obviously absurd.

  108. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 12:53 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    Anyway, after some half-successful attempts at diversion from you, let’s get back to the real question, which is :

    Which of these following tqo conclusions is correct:

    1/. You agree with the sentiments expressed by Messrs Rogozine and Jirinovsky

    or

    2/. You disagree but, for some reason why can only guess at, do not wish to say so.

    Your choice, Doug. Off you go, laddie!

  109. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 12:54 pm

    Baa’Zevul

    “I do read your posts, Doug, but I am addicted to Habbabreak,….

    _____________________

    …..which is very convenient because it means that I can avoid answering any questions Habbabkuk puts to me and thereby avoid justifying and defending anything I’ve posted”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “I think you should continue to press him for his source for what was presumably a vacuous and/or unconstructive remark,..”
    ____________________

    An illustration of the downside of using Habbabreak; it was a quotation from a respectable francophone newspaper, not a “remark”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    “It’s interesting to see what H considers to be a ‘hayseed’ in terms of general accomplishment. I hope I have the right Paul Craig Roberts here.”
    _____________________

    Could someone not using Habbabreak perhaps let Baaal know that “hayseed “is usually used to denote someone with off-the-wall opinions and general outlook and has nothing to do with the person’s “general accomplishment”?

  110. Habakok displays all the signs of being a paid Establishment troll. He sidetracks discussions and denigrates any constructive submissions.I have yet to see a meaningful contribution from him to any discussion.

  111. The Swedish finance minister says that Pfizer’s promises on the proposal to acquire Astra Zenevca should be taken with a sackful of salt.

    Ian Read currently before the HoC ‘Business’ committee.

    Drug giants chiefs grilled by MPs
    Pfizer Chief Executive Ian Read
    The battle over Pfizer’s proposed bid for AstraZeneca is played out in front of MPs as the chief executives of the drugs firms face tough questioning.
    Business Live: Pfizer bid hearing Live
    Top scientist: Pfizer bid ‘flimsy’
    AstraZeneca Pfizer bid explained
    Watch Ahmed: Pfizer faces ‘lock’
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27387695

    The composition of the Business, Skills and Enterprise Committee

    Business, Innovation and Skills Committee – membership

    The Committee were appointed on 12 July 2010

    Member

    Party

    Mr Adrian Bailey (Chair) Labour (Co-op)
    Mr William Bain Labour
    Mr Brian Binley Conservative
    Paul Blomfield Labour
    Katy Clark Labour
    Mike Crockart Liberal Democrat
    Caroline Dinenage Conservative
    Rebecca Harris Conservative
    Ann McKechin Labour
    Mr Robin Walker Conservative
    Nadhim Zahawi Conservative

    PS Zahawi was found out for claiming for the heating of his stables! He has also led an APPG visit to Kurdistan paid for by the energy company in which he is a shareholder. They also paid for his visit to a conference.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/kurdistan-delegation-led-by-tory-millionaire-nadhim-zahawi-raises-concerns-that-mps-will-be-vulnerable-to-lobbying-9359279.html

  112. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 1:18 pm

    Hayseeds Gallery (cont.)

    A quick look at Wikipedia reveals the following about Mr WILLIAM ENGDAHL, warmly recommended by “Scouse Billy” (above):

    Mr Engdahl is a “economist and free-lance journalist”, who “has also been a long-term asssociate of the LaRouche movement”. (WTF – the LaRouche movement??)

    He is “also a frequent contributor to the website of the Center for Research on Globalization”. (It will be recalled that one of that Center’s big cheeses is Professor Michel Chossudovsky – frequently quoted in somewhat fawning manner by various Eminences on this blog).

    I’ll leave it to interested readers to find out themselves some of Mr Engdahl’s views on various matters and will content myself merely to record his views on global warming, the problem of which he considers to be “much exaggerated” and “merely a scare”.

    More to come on other egregious hayseeds….

  113. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    Salford Lad

    “I have yet to see a meaningful contribution from him to any discussion.”
    ____________________

    And I have yet to see an answer from you to the questions I put regarding some of your posts, which purported to give us the real low-down on currencies and gold.

    I’m thinking in particular of your statement that pre-1971 countries only issued as much currency as they had gold reserves to cover.

    Samuelson, Krugmann et al you ain’t. :)

  114. LGBT rights are very sacred to hearts of organized Jewry in United States and Canada. Last year, Abraham Foxman compared Putin’s anti-gay laws with Nazi persecution of Jews.

    Last week, L.A. Mayor Eric Garcetti (Jewish) and his Attorney General Mike Feuer (Jewish) joined by Jewish councilmen Paul Kortez and Mike Bonin announced that they will boycott two of area’s most prestigious hotels, Beverly Hills and Bell Air. Both hotels are operated by London-based Dorchester Collection of high-end hotels owned by Brunei government. The boycott is in response to Brunei government’s decision to carry-out Islamic Shari’ah punishments, in two-year phase. And we all know, Islamic law doesn’t accept gays and lesbians being a “natural” behaviour.

    http://rehmat1.com/2014/05/08/l-a-jewish-mayor-boycotts-muslim-hotels/

  115. YouKnowMyName

    13 May, 2014 - 1:31 pm

    back to Evrovision… in 2003 Sir Terence warned “[UK Entry] that Britain’s unpopular participation in the Iraq War … would count against them” (Jemini’s “Cry Baby” earned the famous “Nul Points”)

    Is Iraq still a negative-amplification factor in 2014?

  116. Another YCNMIU. Biden’s son gets a directorship in a Ukrainian gas company.

    US Vice President’s son joins board of Ukraine’s largest gas producer
    Posted by mike on May 13, 2014, 1:21 pm

    This is just a coincidence though, must be, right?
    (photo)
    Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer, has expanded its Board of Directors by bringing on Mr. R Hunter Biden as a new director.

    R. Hunter Biden will be in charge of the Holdings’ legal unit and will provide support for the Company among international organizations. On his new appointment, he commented: “Burisma’s track record of innovations and industry leadership in the field of natural gas means that it can be a strong driver of a strong economy in Ukraine. As a new member of the Board, I believe that my assistance in consulting the Company on matters of transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities will contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine.”

    The Chairman of the Board of Directors of Burisma Holdings, Mr. Alan Apter, noted: “The company’s strategy is aimed at the strongest concentration of professional staff and the introduction of best corporate practices, and we’re delighted that Mr. Biden is joining us to help us achieve these goals.”

    R. Hunter Biden is a counsel to Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, a national law firm based in New York, USA, which served in cases including “Bush vs. Gore”, and “U.S. vs. Microsoft”. He is one of the co-founders and a managing partner of the investment advisory company Rosemont Seneca Partners, as well as chairman of the board of Rosemont Seneca Advisors. He is an Adjunct Professor at Georgetown University’s Masters Program in the School of Foreign Service.

    /..

    http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1399983681.html

    Is R. Hunter Biden as keen on Zionist Israel as his Daddy?

    Biden is a self-described Zionist. During the interview conducted by the U.S. Jewish television cable network Shalom TV, Biden said, “I am a Zionist. You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist.”

    He is highly supportive of the state of Israel and views Israel as a strategic ally in the Middle East. He stated that “the Arab nations have known that there is no daylight between us and Israel.” Regarding support for Israel within the Democratic Party, Biden has stated that the Democrats’ support for Israel “comes from our gut, moves through our heart, and ends up in our head. It’s almost genetic.”] In September 2008, Biden stated “A strong America is a strong Israel. I have a 35-year record of supporting Israel, and Israel’s security is enhanced the stronger America is.”
    /..
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Joe_Biden#Israel

  117. Rehmat 13 May, 2014 – 1:25 pm

    “Last year, Abraham Foxman compared Putin’s anti-gay laws with Nazi persecution of Jews.”

    There are/were no anti-gay laws emanating from Russia. It was all Western-orchestrated disinformation to prevent Putin benefiting from a successful winter olympics. Here’s gay rights campaigner Brian M. Heiss on the subject:
    http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2014/white_paper.pdf

  118. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 2:24 pm

    Good to see that we’re back with Israel and Zionism again. Thanks, Mary!

    Nice attempts to distract from other things being brought up on this thread, very troll-like.

  119. Out of the 26 or so contributions made on this thread by the Resident Tro–, just three or four refer to the topic of the Eurovision contest.

    Any mention of Israel or Palestine brings him to attention and causes him to issue instant condemnation.

  120. Where Biden Jr’s Ukrainian gas company operates.

    http://burisma.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/MAP.png

  121. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 2:53 pm

    The EU in action; http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/technology/google-should-erase-web-links-to-some-personal-data-europes-highest-court-says.html?hp&_r=0

    BRUSSELS — The highest court in the European Union decided on Tuesday that Google must grant users of its search engine a right to delete links about themselves in some cases, including links to legal records.

    The decision by the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg is a blow for Google, which has sought to avoid the obligation to remove links when requested by European users of its service.

    By ruling that an Internet company like Google must comply with European privacy laws when operating in the European Union — a consumer market of about 550 million people — the court is indicating that such companies must operate in a fundamentally different way than they do in the United States.

  122. A Node 13 May, 2014 – 2:02 pm

    Something else is emanating from Russia today. Unsurprisingly it has not been covered by western MSM. Ukraine has not paid for its gas for March and April this year. Yatesnyuk wants a reduction on the previously subsidised gas to the region. There is plenty of dosh from the IMF tied loan so if Yatsenyuk is honorable he should honor his countries debts. Anyway, it looks like Ukraine is having to go onto a Pay as You Go scheme.

    http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/731313

    Gasprom, the Russian supplier of gas to the Ukraine, was you may remember the company from which Timoshenko was serving a prison sentence for siphoning off, not gas, but cash from the company and stashing it away in western bank accounts. The new NAZI government set her free following the coup.

    Things could work out badly for the elections on May 22 if Ukrainians start thinking about the implications before casting their vote.

  123. countries = country’s

  124. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 2:58 pm

    A.Node – very good link

    Mary – thank you, I was unaware of the Biden connection, but not surprised – it does support what the analysts I have cited are saying.

  125. Ba’al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    “I am addicted to Habbabreak”

    The sanity helper script for Craig Murray’s blog!

    Try Habbabreak Now!

  126. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 3:02 pm

    Donetsk declares Independence. I want to hear Putins reply.

    http://rt.com/news/158436-donetsk-republic-ask-join-russia/

  127. Ba'al Zevul (Oh My Ears And Whiskers)

    13 May, 2014 - 3:07 pm

    (Habbabreak ™ also works fine for [insert nuisance here])

  128. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    Billy Scouse/John Goss; Are you familiar with Edward Jay Epstein?

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304831304579542402390653932?mod=trending_now_5

  129. “Donetsk declares Independence. I want to hear Putins reply.”

    Ben, see my earlier comment and posted link at 2:57 pm, regarding Gasprom. It is unlikely that Putin will welcome the independent states of Donetsk until after the elections later this month. Why have a slice of cake when you can have the lot?

    Ukrainians are not stupid. They know who it was who killed their fellow-Ukrainians in Odessa, murdered residents who went out to vote in the referenda. That the west has failed to recognise the referenda is their biggest mistake in a whole series of mistakes that started with the secession of Crimea to Russia.

    If anybody is likely to cancel the election it is those that are illegally in power. Putin has been one step ahead from the start, even pulling back troops when it was obvious that Yatsenyuk’s army of thugs was intent on using private militia dressed as Russians to create another false flag.

  130. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 3:22 pm

    Yes, John. Gazprom debt so important that ‘Yats’ has declared that of the $3 billion from IMF, 2.5 goes to the debt, but it doesn’t solve the problem of future deliveries. I think it is part and parcel of the West’s interests (primarily US exports).

  131. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    Human Rights Watch; truly a ‘non’ governmental organization?

    http://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/13/the-corruption-of-human-rights-watch/

  132. YouKnowMyName

    13 May, 2014 - 3:54 pm

    List of new sanctions in full…

    postimees (Estonian MSM) claims that international Space Station ISS is a bit iffy after 2020,

    that Russia will be closing GPS groundstations soon

    and that various off-the-shelf space rocket engines are possibly no longer for sale

    shirley some mistake?

  133. The ICC have just agreed to carry out a preliminary investigation into these allegations.
    BREAKING NEWS:Initial investigation into claims UK forces abused Iraqi detainees to be opened by International Criminal Court

    Campaigners ask ICC to investigate alleged UK war crimes in Iraq
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/12/us-britain-iraq-icc-idUSBREA0B08T20140112

  134. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 4:05 pm

    Great News! The Intercept is hiring more people. (honeytrap, lol)

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/05/13/intercept-hiring/

  135. Yes, Scouse Billy.

    Hats off to Brian M. Heiss for a thorough debunking of Western propaganda. Although it wasn’t his primary intent, he has provided us with a powerful proof of the the extent to which our media is controlled. Here are some of the sources I can remember telling me about “Putin’s anti-gay laws” ….

    TV and newspaper news
    New Scientist
    Olympics reports on the sport pages and TV
    newspaper editorials and opinion pieces
    stand-up comedians and panel shows
    discussion shows
    letters pages
    radio phone-ins

    …. and until someone on this blog* posted the Heiss link, I too was one of the sundry dupes who repeated and re-enforced the lies. But in this case, they went too far. They showed too much of their power to sell a provable lie, and now we have a clear example to refer to those who underestimate the power and mendacity of the media.

    *Thank you and sorry I can’t remember your name

  136. doug scorgie

    13 May, 2014 - 5:20 pm

    I asked Habbabkuk: Which newspaper was that Habbabkuk?

    He replies:

    “A respectable francophone publication, Doug…”

    Not really an answer is it Habbabkuk?

    “Is it my translation you wish to “check”? Failing a rapid reply to this question, I shall consider correspondence closed on this issue.”

    That’s it Habbabkuk, quit while you’re behind.

  137. Back to Biden’s son, R. Hunter Biden.

    Si on Medialens has done this photo with a speech bubble.

    http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/Baspip/HeyDadthisglobalhegemonythingsarightgas.jpg

    Other comments:

    John Lilburne – Just to pick one of Biden fils’s involvements in ‘public service’, the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition, check out this chamber of horrors, In the Spotlight (bottom of page):

    http://www.usglc.org/#spotlight1

    and this roster of US global leaders:

    http://www.usglc.org/about/our-leadership/

    So nice to see Bill of Save the Children cosying up to Sarah of Wal-Mart and Nancy of Lockheed Martin etc, etc,.

    Gives one a warm glow, does it not?

    ~~~
    Nice to see that Jeff of AIPAC is in there too, doing his bit. All’s right with the world.

    Jeffrey Colman

    American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)

  138. I see that it’s actually Bill Lane of Caterpillar. Caterpillar’s machines are used in Israel entity to demolish Palestinian homes and to kill people like Rachel Corrie.

    It’s Caroline Miles from Save the Children.

    There is a printing error so that the two names coincide.

    I noticed a Sharon Waxman from Miliband D’s International Rescue Centre.

    An incestuous nest.

  139. doug scorgie

    13 May, 2014 - 6:18 pm

    Israeli minister Tzipi Livni given diplomatic immunity for UK visit

    UK [Zionist] government awards ‘special mission’ status to head-off would-be arrest warrant sought for alleged war crimes in Gaza

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/13/israel-tzipi-livni-diplomatic-immunity-uk

  140. BrianFujisan

    13 May, 2014 - 6:39 pm

    Mary Re… UK war crimes, and ICC…

    I wonder if it will be yet another Sham, waste of Loadza Money…or is BLiar getting closer to being turfed out…and will they Ever get round to the current crew, for their crimes in Libya, and now Syria.

    “… British defence officials are confident that the ICC will not move to the next stage and announce a formal investigation, largely because the UK has the capacity to investigate the allegations itself.

    However, the announcement is a blow to the prestige of the armed forces, as the UK is the only western state that has faced a preliminary investigation at the ICC. The court’s decision places the UK in the company of countries such as the Central African Republic, Colombia and Afghanistan.

    In a statement, the ICC said: “The new information received by the office alleges the responsibility of officials of the United Kingdom for war crimes involving systematic detainee abuse in Iraq from 2003 until 2008.

    “The re-opened preliminary examination will analyse, in particular, alleged crimes attributed to the armed forces of the United Kingdom deployed in Iraq between 2003 and 2008….

    more @

    http://stopwar.org.uk/article/uk-is-first-western-state-to-be-investigated-for-war-crimes-by-international-court#.U3JVYIFdWqj

  141. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 6:48 pm

    Mary, Brian,

    Who will fund the defence – Help For Heroes (sic)?

    Don’t see why the tax-payers should…

  142. BrianFujisan

    13 May, 2014 - 6:53 pm

    Doug / Mary

    Re Israeli Crimes… Check this disturbing piece -

    ” A repeated theme of pro-Israeli, anti-Palestinian propaganda is to circulate images ofPalestinian children taking part in such militarized displays in order to advance the belief that Palestinian culture is inherently violent and “teaches children hate” and that therefore Israeli violence is a justified defensive response.

    But these pictures are remarkable because they reveal the extent to which Israeli culture has been militarized and how Israeli children are not immune to this – a key theme in Max Blumenthal’s book Goliath.

    There is no doubt that both Israeli and Palestinian children have been subjected to this kind of brutalization by adults. It is horrifying whenever children are given guns and encouraged to imagine themselves as killers.

    Such activities are arguably in violation of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which states that member countries “shall refrain from recruiting any person who has not attained the age of fifteen years into their armed forces.”

    As I wrote on a previous occasion when such disturbing images of Israeli children appeared:

    Children live with the consequences of Israel’s violent occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people, whether it is Israeli children indoctrinated to continue this oppression as adults, or Palestinian children brutalized and traumatized by the organized violence of occupation, colonialism and apartheid that pervades their lives.

    This is never a reflection on the children, but on the adults who subject them to such ugliness.”

    By Ali Abunimah @

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/disturbing-photos-show-militarization-of-israeli-children/5381998

  143. BrianFujisan

    13 May, 2014 - 7:10 pm

    Billy Lol

    Good job They are mostly all multi millionaires..what is Bliar worth now £60 million or so and counting.

    running late again gotta dash.

  144. Have you expected habbitkuk to change his schoolmasterly behaviour, Doug? fat chance
    Its a lifelong trait that befalls those who feel righteous, but are enthralled and tyranised by their academic blinkers.

    He made a simple mistake an eight year old school boy would have gotten right and thats pretty normal for all of us, he’s nothing special, just a little disabled when it comes to linking to whatever he blathers on about.

    He’s not here to inform, such as most of us, but to argue and diseminate, to try us with his playfull nonsense. Bless….

  145. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    13 May, 2014 - 7:34 pm

  146. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 7:54 pm

    Let the record note that Mr Scorgie declines to say whether or not he endorses the intolerant remarks made by Russian vice-premier Rogozine and Russian political heavy Vladimir Jirinovsky on the result of the Eurovision song contest 2014.

    For ease of reference, here are those remarks again, as reported by a respectable French-language newspaper (my translation)

    Rogozine : “The result of the Eurovision contest has given the supporters of European integration a glimpse if what awaits them if they join Europe, ie., a bearded girl”.

    Jirinovsky : “Our indignation knows no bounds. This is the end of Europe. Europe has gone mad. There aren’t any men and women there any longer, just “its” instead.”.

  147. Thanks from me too, to A Node for the link to Brian Heiss’ White Paper. Thoroughly covers the true state of affairs and the disgraceful western media and government position.

  148. Scouse Billy

    13 May, 2014 - 8:25 pm

    This guy said it as well as anyone:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dBZDSSky0

  149. John Goss

    13 May, 2014 – 2:57 pm

    Sorry, I did not deliberately try to mislead. The Ukrainian elections, as everybody knows, but nobody corrected me, take place on 25th May. I’ve been out canvassing. It’s our elections on 22nd.

    Plenty of time then for the Russians to switch off the lights as a pilot if Yatsenyuk does not pay his energy bills. He cannot expect the Russians to give him subsidised gas now the Ukraine has gone in to bat for the Yanks and done nothing but insult the Russians! Can he? And a pilot test of what the future has in store might make a few voters think. I wonder.

  150. Mary,

    Sorry working this afternoon!

    Fantastic post 1.38pm – you couldn’t make it up!

    Thank you

  151. Tory troughers everywhere, even in County Hall, Kingston upon Thames, home of Surrey County Council.

    Surrey County Council pay panel resigns over 60% increase
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-27398200

    They took the maximum possible for their council tax precept avoiding a referendum.

    Council tax in Surrey is set to raise for the third time in a row after the county council agreed on the largest possible increase without prompting a referendum.
    Homeowners will have to pay for a 1.99% increase in the county council’s precept, making for an increase of just under 7% in the last three years.
    http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/local-news/surrey-county-council-approves-council-6708219

    The roads are probably the worst in the country for lack of maintenance and number of potholes, apart from those routes shown on television for the multiple cycle races and marathons which get a makeover beforehand.

    Potholes here, there, everywhere.
    http://tiny.cc/ltdtfx

  152. There’s no need or likelihood for Putin to be vindictive, given his demonstrable good character, I would expect magnanimity, it is the special favoured by Russia status of Ukraine in a post-soviet world, with considerable economic advantages, that the west wish to sever. The EU, not known for its philanthropy, cannot prop up too many neo-liberalised and now consequently basket case ‘states’ in its nascent United States of Europe, if Ukraine is to have an intoxicating, bewiching taste of honey, it will mean be more and sourer vinegar for everywhere else and even wider dissatisfaction and economic dislocation. Given what the west has resorted to in its efforts to subvert Ukraine’s independence and buy that country and people outright like so many chattels, by lies bribery, corruption and violence and deaths on the streets – exactly what the majority and core of the nazi-hijacked mass-demonstrations were protesting against – then even a thin but true democracy if allowed and given time would reject an unreformed EU, as the EU with its mad-dog master NATO for cover, exemplifies these self same plutocratic vices in spadefuls. Inevitably Ukraine would be rejecting the EU and wishing the EU had kept its nose out and its greedy hands off Ukraine.

    It is unfortunate that in the interim the country will be looted and indebted for inestimable generations by the anarchic gangs presently seismically uprooting Ukraine’s foundational roots, by domestic and international oligarchs and the rapacious spearhead of the infamous gnomes of Zurich – a euphemism Harold Wilson was fond of using used to describe ‘bankers’, as even he dared not be more specific just who had and used such unaccountable economic power to wreck nations and lives – the sooner these western-backed stooges andfree-booter oligarchs face the Ukrainian people, with full inquiry begun into their sources of wealth and their crimes, the sooner the thieving will stop and as much of the extracted booty can be traced and returned to Ukraine’s people and future credit. Look out you gnomes.

  153. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:19 pm

    “There’s no need or likelihood for Putin to be vindictive, given his demonstrable good character”

    Do you really believe that?

  154. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:21 pm

    @Mary

    Stop the front page – Tories in Surrey behave like Tories!

  155. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:24 pm

    @John Goss

    “Plenty of time then for the Russians to switch off the lights as a pilot if Yatsenyuk does not pay his energy bills.”

    You talk like the Russian regime/Gazprom (the two are interchangeable) have never done this before. As always you patently ignore the fact that Putin has interfered in Ukrainian affairs for many years. Do you belive that such interference has always been legitimate?

  156. RD I don’t believe any power should interfere in the affairs of foreign countries. Putin’s Russia has interfered but nowhere near as much as the US has. 360 separate military interventions since 1945 I believe. “Do you belive that such interference has always been legitimate?” Or ever?

  157. @Kurtan: I agree with you entirely. What can’t the digital natives think like that? Can’t be the parents… maybe it’s a reaction to the parents? ;)

  158. @Scouse Billy: Great video. And did anyone ever tell you you look like Bill Shankly.

  159. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:45 pm

    Do you belive that such interference has always been legitimate?

    I asked the question first regarding Putin’s interference in Ukraine – please answer.

    No I don’t always believe interference by the US or anyone else in another country is legitimate – just like I don’t always believe it is illegitimate – it depends on the facts of the particular case. Non interference would have meant the UK not going to war when Hitler invaded Poland etc etc.

  160. Resident Dissident

    13 May, 2014 - 10:47 pm

    @Scouse Billy: Great video. And did anyone ever tell you you look like Bill Shankly.

    But there the resemblance ends.

  161. Yes RD @ 10.21pm. You got it in one. Any suggestions how to get rid of them? Local pest control companies cannot help.

  162. “I asked the question first regarding Putin’s interference in Ukraine – please answer.”
    Response.
    “RD I don’t believe any power should interfere in the affairs of foreign countries.”
    What was wrong with that?

  163. Resident Dissident 13 May, 2014 – 10:47 pm

    Was it something like “Some people think that football is a matter of life or death. But it’s much more important than that.”

    You’ve been missed RD. People have been looking for answers.

    https://squonk.tk/blog/2014/01/20/the-general-discussion-thread/comment-page-18/#comment-7264

  164. Scouse Billy, you’ve been missed too. Welcome back.

    Now all I have to go and brush up my Russian. Just in case the Russians are coming. :)

  165. Did anyone hear Hague’s awful speech today? I suppose the Tories think sabre-rattling is winning them votes and will win them more. More likely a shift because the public saw Labour’s party political, and some Lib-Lab switchers felt sorry for the Clegg character and switched back to Libdem. Bit like the clever Labour cartoon of 1959 (take a look on youtube) that perhaps was “misunderstood” and helped win the Tories a landslide. It seems that Toffs will never understand the character of ordinary people…

  166. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    13 May, 2014 - 11:40 pm

    Peacewisher

    I think even Hague’s worst enemy would hardly call him a “Toff”.

  167. I don’t think you read my post correctly, Habby. Hague is not a toff, but he’s fulfilling the expectation of “toffs”. It may well work. From the Falklands conflict onwards, I have never ceased to be amazed by the obedient “patriotic fervour”. Second part of post was a dig at labour party’s ineptness at understanding how to appeal to ordinary people.

  168. John Goss: ” I don’t believe any power should interfere in the affairs of foreign countries. Putin’s Russia has interfered but nowhere near as much as the US has. ”

    Utterly pukeful listening to Cameron and ‘If you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve nothing to worry about’ Hague’s verbal diaorrhea against Russia today in parliament.

    Cameron, the farcical leader of a failed philosophy of greed which bankrupted the entire world economy states that Russia doesn’t have a plan. Hahahahahaha. But Cameron has a plan, to eat the Thatcher vomit, tickle his throat and spew it up again.

    And Hague mocking Russian weaponry as junk. Yes mr Yorkshire butter, if you don’t bugger your junior colleagues and let you political arsehole be gratified by Zionist banker world domination you don’t get the passwords to your oversized piles of bombs.

    I cannot wait for the result of the election to be rid of them for the last time in my lifetime. I ask one question. If it is possible to create vast quantities of jobs in the run-up to a general election, why was it not possible to create those jobs in the dark days of 2008 onwards?

    Smug selfish slime. They create a recession for their Zio-masters. and create a civil war in Syria for their Zio masters, and then proceed to fill the air with cuckoo cries: ‘ We have thrown the baby chicks of caring Socialism to the ground. We have closed the NHS, we have subjugated workers pay and rights, we have closed personal privacy and social conscience down.’

    I pray these Tory shite will never come to power again in my lifetime. Inshallah. I will not forget this spectacle of the definitive superiority of Socialism over Capitalism. The spectacle of planless Zio-pimped Tories heckling a sister nation for not having re-armed after the Cold War.

    Glad to see Craig exercising his liberal rights to subject his wife to sexual humiliation. I will not forget this spectacle of the definitive superiority of Islam in relation to the treatment of women.

  169. I wouldn’t put it that strongly, Guano. Labour was led by Tony Blair (’nuff said) for many years, and Brown wasn’t much better. Final nail in libdem coffin for me was Paddy Ashdown on the radio the day after MPs voted against war with Syria… pleading for war. So UKIP or Greens… which is it? (playing devils advocate for the “undecideds” of the British electorate. If they get 10% each and libdems recover to 15%, that still leaves 30+% bound to vote Conservative, and that may be enough for them. Only hope is to vote labour. That approach was used by USAns and they got Obama… who is turning into Bush III.

  170. Scouse Billy

    14 May, 2014 - 1:55 am

    John Goss – thank you.

    Peacewisher – Bill was and still is a source of inspiration.

    For anyone who enjoys Sibel Edmonds’ posts here she is with James Corbett et al on Ukraine and Syria. The last 5 minutes is priceless where she lets rip on Seymour Hersh:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu2TXEbHq2M

  171. Peacewisher I think you mean ..’turned into Bush III’.

    Sky have just had a segment about the election gurus being employed by Agent Cameron and Milipede E. They showed footage of Obomber performing to audiences and explained how Axelrod (The Axe) now employed by Labour achieved Obomber’s election and re-election.

    Agent Cameron is employing Linton Crosbie (The Wizard of Oz) responsible for the promotion of John Howard and Boris Johnson’s two terms as Mayor of London.

    Both creatures of spin will have difficulty in 2015 in achieving their aims.

  172. Here’s my favourite.

    In Ukraine, the US is dragging us towards war with Russia
    Washington’s role in Ukraine, and its backing for the regime’s neo-Nazis, has huge implications for the rest of the world

    John Pilger

    The Guardian, Tuesday 13 May 2014

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/ukraine-us-war-russia-john-pilger

  173. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 8:41 am

    Thanks for the Livni story, Doug. Contains this rather disturbing admission:

    The UK promised Israel it would change the law to make it harder to secure arrest warrants for Israeli public figures. In an address to the Israeli parliament last month, David Cameron said: “When I was in opposition, I spoke out when – because of the law on universal jurisdiction – senior Israelis could not safely come to my country without fear of ideologically motivated court cases and legal stunts; when I became prime minister, I legislated to change it. My country is open to you and you are welcome to visit any time.”

    Crawling bastard. So -

    Now senior Israelis can come here without fear of entirely legitimate prosecution for serious criminal activity. Well done, Dave. The next move is seriously to question the legitimacy of Cameron’s legislation, which acts to overturn international law under treaties to which the UK is a signatory.

    Bit of background. Usual suspects. Drooling supplicants for grace and favour of apartheid state listed:
    http://www2.cfoi.co.uk/Campaigns/UniversalJurisdiction/

    This appears to be the relevant Act – if I’m wrong, I’d welcome correction WITH REFERENCES.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/13/section/153/enacted

    Dave’s bold stroke in defence of Israel’s freedom to do exactly as it wants was buried in a contentious dog’s breakfast of random provisions loosely scattered round the legislation for appointing police commisioners.

    As far as I can see Section 153 doesn’t apply to Scotland!

  174. Livni features half way down here

    Once Upon a Palestine
    by Tamerishe / August 3rd, 2013

    “Once Upon a Palestine” began in the spring of 2011; a few lines and the title, swiftly followed by a cascade of verse, then put to one side for a previous work barging in out of nowhere, demanding to be written. Going through my own dark night of the soul at the time, “Once Upon a Palestine” continued to gather dust in a drawer until the summer of 2012, when the words came back to haunt me. So here it is. My humble contribution to the betrayed, abandoned, shunned, vilified, outstandingly brave Palestinians of Palestine. I don’t know about the ‘Lost Tribes of Israel.’ It’s about time the dispossessed, ethnically cleansed, indigenous Peoples of Palestine picked up their keys and came home. Where they belong. –Tamerishe

    [..]
    Cowards and bullies, two of a kind
    Sound in the body, but sick in the mind
    Spawn of the Stern Gang and vile Haganah
    Irgun’s Ms. Livni, her Ma and Papa

    Who would you believe it? But hush now! Don’t tell!
    Blew up us Brits in King David’s Hotel!
    We know who our friends are, didn’t we do well!
    Birds of a feather, we’ll meet them in hell!

    But hey! What’s your problem? We’re all best mates now
    Changing our laws to protect ‘Sacred Cows’
    The woman who boasted, with no sense of shame
    Operation Cast Lead, she’d do all again
    Proud of her role in this orgy of pain

    It’s all so confusing, speak up! Hague! Explain!
    Shielding war criminals, since when was our game
    There’s blood on your hands and it’s staining our name
    The wrong side of history is where lies your fame
    Next to your Masters of Zionist shame!
    [..]

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/08/once-upon-a-palestine/

    You are correct Ba’al about the abolition of universal jurisdiction being ‘slipped’ into police legislation. ‘Slippery’ people these Tory Zionists.

  175. The Diamond geezer is under the microscope again. No stopping of the mindset ‘I want more, more’.

    12 May 2014
    Ex-Barclays executives face fraud office questioning
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27370623

  176. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 9:05 am

    Talking of war criminals:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2627608/Blair-Bush-letters-ARE-delaying-Iraq-report-says-Chilcot-Head-inquiry-admits-records-conversations-issue.html

    VS:

    ‘I’ve made it absolutely clear that when the report’s published is entirely up to them [the inquiry team].

    ‘It’s not my decision at all… it’s the responsibility of the people who run the inquiry,’ he said.

    A spokesman said: ‘He has as much reason as anyone for wanting the report published.’(St. Anthony of Baghdad, all papers)

    But it’s admittedly a bit more opaque than that. Much further under the MSM radar is the question of 200 Cabinet minutes requested by Chilcot, whose release seems to have been obstructed (in the most gentlemanly way possible) by Cameron’s merry men.

    This was the position in November last year, and appears to still be the position:

    http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/media/54976/2013-11-04_Chilcot_Cameron.pdf

    The rule of law would have a lot more validity if the government of the day didn’t change it when it was inconvenient or flannel its way out of its legal obligations.

  177. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 9:22 am

    From the CFOI link @ 8.41 -

    Ambassador Gould asserted that the UK’s justice system could no longer be “abused for political reasons”

    I wish.

  178. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 9:35 am

    Very distant planet bearing life of a sort detected. And Wiiliam Hague is there -

    “A negotiated two-state agreement remains the only way to resolve the conflict once and for all. The parameters are clear: two states, based on 1967 borders with agreed land swaps, Jerusalem as a shared capital, a just, fair and agreed settlement for refugees, and Gaza as an integral part of the Palestinian state.”

    As are the winged pigs, effortlessly soaring over the cigarette trees.

    https://www.facebook.com/ukinisrael?_fb_noscript=1

    Scroll down to 1 May. Connoisseurs may also be interested to note that the vacancy for HR Head at our embassy in Tel Aviv is advertised in English and Hebrew. But not Arabic. LOL.

  179. Pfizer hard faced and dead eyed. At the the Science Committee today.

    Pfizer facing second grilling by MPs
    Pfizer Chief Executive Ian Read
    Pfizer’s boss is being questioned for a second day by MPs about the drug firm’s controversial bid for AstraZeneca.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27403777

    Read is with a Mikael Dolsten, Research and Development and an Australian Vice President Rod McKenzie.

    Reminder:In September 2009, Pfizer pleaded guilty to the illegal marketing of the arthritis drug Bextra for uses unapproved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and agreed to a $2.3 billion settlement, the largest health care fraud settlement at that time.[8] Pfizer also paid the U.S. government $1.3 billion in criminal fines related to the “off-label” marketing of Bextra, the largest monetary penalty ever rendered for any crime.[9] Called a repeat offender, this was Pfizer’s fourth such settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice in the previous ten years.[10][11]

    Mr Read said he was “very proud” of his 35 years at the firm, describing it as a “company of high integrity focused on patients and delivering drugs to patients”.

    We are a highly ethical company. Pfizer is a company that keeps its promises.”

  180. We have not addressed two very important and acute issues in this lowest ever key EU election, nboth pressing and far more important than party politics.

    One is the issue of bees and nicotinoids which have been proven to kill these bees by weakening their immune systems and leading to colony collapse. A minister should stand up and ban the use of these wretched pesticides.

    The other issue is still fresh in peoples minds and they are desperate to know how we can bear children with flippers instead of feet, so they can swim, even if they don’t get taught swimming at school, hah hah ha, on an island, you could not make it up.
    Rising sea levels are ineviatble and somebody will have to do some precautionary planning very soon.

    We do not need a dangerous PWR nuclear industry and future for our children! but we need a Severn, Wash and a Thames barrier with tidal energy schemes and lock systems to safeguard the realm, whatever this fancy notion entails.

    and piss on Ms Livni and her ilk.

  181. Correction on Rod Mackenzie. I don’t think he is Australian!
    http://www.pfizer.com/research/science_and_technology/meet_our_scientists/rod_mackenzie

    No mentions of Dolsten’s nationality in any of the biogs. He did study at the Weizmann Institute in Israel. He grosses $6.5m pa at Pfizer and worked for Astra Zeneca previously.

    http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/people/person.asp?personId=29973055&ticker=PFE

    Pfizer are very greedy and very hungry to state the obvious.

  182. UN marked helicopter used by Kiev troops in operations in Eastern Ukraine. According to RT, the UN is investigating possible war crime:

    http://rt.com/news/158832-un-ukraine-helicopter-scandal/

    Not surprising, then, that they want journalists out of the way!

  183. Why does a scientist’s nationality matter? Your snide allusion to the fact that Mr Dolsten studied at the Weizmann Institute holds no water. Have you studied at a college or university outside your hometown or region? I have and it didn’t make me Scottish or French.

    There are enough reasons for people to be concerned about the AZ – Pfizer issue without you degrading the argument with your anti-Israel and anti-Jewish views.

  184. Peacewisher

    What about Warren? She talks talk I never thought I’d hear from a US politician? Makes the witch look like green slime potion.

    Obama’s field agents Boko Haram have got AfriCom into Nigeria. If black Obama was to be used for African conquest, I ask myself what socialist Warren can be used for? Former Soviet countries or Chinese negotiations. Zollywood has a plan.

    Talking of Green, Caroline Lucas’s anti-fracking demonstration makes her the logical choice for all logical people who see water pollution by fracking as a far greater menace than Thatcher’s feeding cows on sheep brains.

    That particular item is a Kurdish delicacy, with a strong gamey flavour. My Kurdish language skills are insufficient to explain to my Kurdish hosts the full reasons for my not wanting to eat sheeps brains.

    They have their own bonkers political agendas, one of which is whether to build a medieval ditch/rampart against Qaida in neighbouring Syria. Darlings, they have UK passports. They are coming in by plane. [sheepbrains]

  185. On topic!

    Beard shaved in Eurovision protest
    A Russian blogger has shaved off his beard in protest that a drag act from Austria won the Eurovision Song Contest. http://home.bt.com/news/oddnews/beard-shaved-in-eurovision-protest-11363901673895

    I don’t know the source of ‘BT News’ but they had to get a dig in at President Putin.

  186. Mary 14 May, 2014 – 7:54 am

    Thanks for the John Pilger link. Thank God for sensible and honest journalists. This is from the article.

    ‘The name of “our” enemy has changed over the years, from communism to Islamism, but generally it is any society independent of western power and occupying strategically useful or resource-rich territory, or merely offering an alternative to US domination. The leaders of these obstructive nations are usually violently shoved aside, such as the democrats Muhammad Mossedeq in Iran, Arbenz in Guatemala and Salvador Allende in Chile, or they are murdered like Patrice Lumumba in the Democratic Republic of Congo. All are subjected to a western media campaign of vilification – think Fidel Castro, Hugo Chávez, now Vladimir Putin.”‘

    Craig knows Pilger is an honest guy and not one whose eyes have had the wool pulled down over them. We all want our country to be portrayed in a favourable light. But if we have to stoop to support a western-funded fascist spearhead of thuggish megalomaniacs who have overthrown an elected government, then my back, for one, is too sore to bend down in support of these clients.

  187. @ 11.08am

    Makes a big difference. Wheels within wheels you know?

    Israel are big pharmaceutical manufacturers especially of generic products.

    Teva is one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teva_Pharmaceutical_Industries

    Read about its founder Mr Hurvitz. Always a scandal with the money cf Olmert.
    http://www.answers.com/topic/teva-pharmaceutical-industries-ltd

  188. PS ‘Mick’@ 11.08am I note you do not comment on the visit of Ms Livni the war criminal to these shores or on the abolition of the law of universal jurisdiction by this Israel loving government as outlined by Ba’al Zevul. Cat got your tongue?

    ~~~
    Yes John. Thank God for John Pilger.

  189. 14 May 2014

    Please read this article prepared by Harriet Sherwood and published in the Guardian on May 13, 2014. The article is about the UK awarding ‘special mission’ status to Tzipi Livni, Israel’s justice minister, and thus a diplomatic immunity to protect her against prosecution ahead of a planned visit to the UK.

    The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) and Hickman and Rose have been prosecuting Livni before the British courts for years on the grounds alleged war crimes against Palestinian civilians and their property during the Israeli offensive on the Gaza Strip 2008-2009, codenamed operation “Cast Lead”. The article includes important information and quotations said by lawyer Raji Sourani, Director of PCHR, condemning the UK’s position and how it failed to fulfill its legal obligations to prosecute war criminals.

    In 2009, Livni cancelled a visit to the UK after PCHR and its partners had obtained an arrest warrant from the court. However, Livni could visit the UK in 2011, when the British government awarded her a diplomatic immunity as well.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/13/israel-tzipi-livni-diplomatic-immunity-uk

    ~~

    http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/

  190. “Craig knows Pilger is an honest guy”

    And that black is white etc. etc.

  191. Must be lunchtime ESLO! :)

  192. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 1:15 pm

    Why does a scientist’s nationality matter? Your snide allusion to the fact that Mr Dolsten studied at the Weizmann Institute holds no water. Have you studied at a college or university outside your hometown or region? I have and it didn’t make me Scottish or French.

    There are enough reasons for people to be concerned about the AZ – Pfizer issue without you degrading the argument with your anti-Israel and anti-Jewish views.

    Well, yes, though I’m not watching Mary at the moment. But how splendidly your observation chimes with a piece in today’s Grauniad, also re. AstroZeneca/Pfizer…

    The only guarantee that the Scotland-born Read (of Pfizer – BZ)was prepared to give was that 20% of the R&D workforce would be based in Britain for the next five years… (Print edition, P6)

    Now why was it important that we know that Read is, er, ‘Scotland-born’? Maybe he can’t be described as Scottish for some reason? But why not simply omit his nationality, as the same piece did with all the other named participants, Adrian Bailey, David Cameron (silver spoon-born?), Vince Cable, Brian Binley, Pascal Soriot, Paul Nurse and Chuka Umunna? Iz it coz he iz EVIL?

  193. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:19 pm

    Ba’al Zevul

    “This appears to be the relevant Act – if I’m wrong, I’d welcome correction WITH REFERENCES.”
    ________________

    It is.

    But your comment would have gained if you had bothered to mention the following:

    1/. Section 153 does NOT prevent the prosecution in the UK of people alleged to have committed the listed offences overseas. What is does do is to remove the possibility for PRIVATE individuals to cause (with the help of a friendly magistrate) arrest warrants to be issued; henceforth, the issue of arrest warrants for the alleged offences is a matter for the Director of Public Prosecutions. The aim is to prevent trial and/or vexatious action on the part of any Tom Dick or Harry with an axe to grind.
    There is any number of alleged (and lesser) offences for which the issuance of arrest warrants is solely in the power of the public authorities (eg police) and not private individuals. Example : dangerous driving.

    2/. Contrary to the impression you seek to give, the Act apploes to everyone and not only alleged Israeli offenders.

    3/. Contrary to what you appear to be claiming, the change in the law intiruced by that Act does NOT contravene the UK’s obligations under any body of international law to which the UK is a signatory party.

    Hope that helps.

  194. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:23 pm

    “the issue of arrest warrants for the alleged offences is a matter for the Director of Public Prosecutions. The aim is to prevent trial and/or vexatious action ..”

    should read

    “the issuance of arrest warrants for the alleged offences is a matter for the Director of Public Proecutions. The aim is to prevent trivial and/or vexatious action..”

  195. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:27 pm

    Mary

    “You are correct Ba’al about the abolition of universal jurisdiction being ‘slipped’ into police legislation. ‘Slippery’ people these Tory Zionists.”
    ________________

    As I’ve pointed out, Mary, the Act cited by Ba’al does NOT abolish universal jurisdiction.

    It removes the power to cause the issuance of arrest warrants from the man in the street and puts it in the hands of the DPP.

  196. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:31 pm

    Mick (to Mother Mary)

    “Why does a scientist’s nationality matter? Your snide allusion to the fact that Mr Dolsten studied at the Weizmann Institute holds no water. Have you studied at a college or university outside your hometown or region? I have and it didn’t make me Scottish or French.

    There are enough reasons for people to be concerned about the AZ – Pfizer issue without you degrading the argument with your anti-Israel and anti-Jewish views.”
    ____________________

    That’s par for the course with Mary, I’m afraid. The prejudice will out.

  197. @Guano: But Indian Mangos are banned!

  198. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:36 pm

    Mary

    PS ‘Mick’@ 11.08am I note you do not comment on the visit of Ms Livni the war criminal to these shores or on the abolition of the law of universal jurisdiction by this Israel loving government as outlined by Ba’al Zevul. Cat got your tongue?

    _______________

    You’ve said it again and so I’ll have to correct you again : universal jurisdiction has NOT been abolished in the UK.

    As to the “war criminal” Mrs Livni, that’s only your opinion. As far as I know, she has not been indicted anywhere except on various blogs (and perhaps self-appointed “Tribunals” without any standing whatsoever)

  199. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:39 pm

    Mr Goss

    “Must be lunchtime ESLO! :)
    ________________

    Yes, perhaps ESLO holds down a regular job and posts in his own free time – unlike, it seems, quite a few of the Eminences here.

  200. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 1:47 pm

    Breakfast time in sunny, far-off California – but where’s the Gadfly?

    Has he flown into a carnivorous plant?

  201. @Guano: Never heard of Warren, and not sure who you mean by “the witch”. I need some educating regarding US Democrat politicians. The only one I liked the sound of was called Dennis.

  202. Reference the Guardian article by Harriet Sherwood.

    The many ‘wars’ since WWII and which are mostly down to the US/UK/Is/NATO axis, will explode onwards into infinity until war criminals (of which Blair, Cameron, Hague are among hundreds) are brought to the bar and imprisoned when guilty. Livni is in that category whether convicted or not and we know that none of them are convicted or will be in the future.

    The bronzed but raddled Blair gives a lesson to fellow psychopaths as he hops from one country to another in his utterly dishonest journeys. ‘My lack of insight into my evil and my chutzpah render me immune in the hobbled realm of international law.’

    The revocation of the 1957 Geneva Conventions Act was caused by a malign conspiracy arising from a request MADE BY Livni.

    In reading the piece I noted these words in my mind:-

    a. “Since the visit meets all the essential elements for a special mission, and for avoidance of any doubt on the matter, the FCO has confirmed consent to the visit as a special mission,” the FCO said.

    “….. the Foreign Office minister, Mark Simmonds, said: “In view of the confidentiality of diplomatic exchanges, we have no plans to publish further details about requests that have been granted or refused.” Applications took into consideration the “obligations incumbent upon the UK under customary international law and our policy of ending impunity for the most serious of international crimes and a commitment to the protection of human rights,” he added.

    c. “……. when I became prime minister, I legislated to change it. My country is open to you and you are welcome to visit any time.”

    We should know the detailed basis of all these assertions as Mr Slaughter has said.

    a. For instance – what is a special mission, and these elements? What is the legal basis for the immunity arising from this and which is consonant with Geneva Convention IV?

    b. Simmonds I have spoken of before in reference his non declaration to the House of income of £50k pa from Circle Health. So his credentials are plain to see.

    ‘obligations incumbent upon the UK under customary international law’ sound like FCO lies/flannel and possibly capable of challenge.

    c. This surely can be the basis of any challenge. One favoured entity is being promised, outside of any law, immunity in passage through the UK. And to a person who has not been ‘elected’ to government as far as I know.

    What is she here for, who is she seeing and why?

    PS I have no cat and my tongue is not forked like that of others who visit this blog for their own (or another entity’s) purpose.

  203. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    14 May, 2014 - 3:10 pm

    “But until now much of this was in the realm of hearsay and general wishful thinking. After all, surely it is “ridiculous” that a country can seriously contemplate to exist outside the ideological and religious confines of the Petrodollar… because if one can do it, all can do it, and next thing you know the US has hyperinflation, social collapse, civil war and all those other features prominently featured in other socialist banana republics like Venezuela which alas do not have a global reserve currency to kick around.

    Or so the Keynesian economists, aka tenured priests of said Petrodollar religion, would demand that the world believe.

    However, as much as it may trouble the statists to read, Russia is actively pushing on with plans to put the US dollar in the rearview mirror and replace it with a dollar-free system. Or, as it is called in Russia, a “de-dollarized” world.”

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/russia-holds-de-dollarization-meeting-china-iran-willing-drop-usd-bilateral-trade

    Putin plays chess too, Obama.

  204. Kelly ben Maimon

    14 May, 2014 - 3:41 pm

    Eurovision is such fun. Pity we always seem to come near the bottom these days, in terms of points awarded. Nothing to do with wars, we have been involved with like Iraq and Afghanistan then?

    Rory Stewart has become the Chair of the Defence Select Committee. An interesting character, who has a ‘forensic approach’. Personally, if I had a vote, it would have been for Bob Stewart. A throughly decent and likeable character, with a great sense of humour and popular with Tory activists on the ground.

    What on earth has Jack Straw’s son (PPC), been up to?!

  205. ‘Rory Stewart has become the Chair of the Defence Select Committee. An interesting character, who has a ‘forensic approach’. Personally, if I had a vote, it would have been for Bob Stewart. A throughly decent and likeable character, with a great sense of humour and popular with Tory activists on the ground.’

    LOL Is that a wind up?

  206. Kelly ben Maimon

    14 May, 2014 - 4:05 pm

    Well what do think Mary? Lol..

  207. “Yes, perhaps ESLO holds down a regular job and posts in his own free time – unlike, it seems, quite a few of the Eminences here.”

    He used to comment all through the day. Check! :)

  208. Ba'al Zevul (Freedom's Just Another Word, Period)

    14 May, 2014 - 4:22 pm

    surely it is “ridiculous” that a country can seriously contemplate to exist outside the ideological and religious confines of the Petrodollar… because if one can do it, all can do it, and next thing you know the US has hyperinflation, social collapse, civil war and all those other features prominently featured in other socialist banana republics like Venezuela which alas do not have a global reserve currency to kick around.

    Ben, Ben…The least-publicised reason for ‘our’ sudden interest in Iraq was Saddam’s notion of selling his oil in some other currency. The petrodollar has replaced God in the newt-like brains of your leaders. They’ll bite off their own heads to keep it. (A consummation devoutly to be wished for)

  209. Things are happening in Ukraine which are not being reported here, like a helicopter with UN logo firing weapons at pro-Russian checkpoints. The United Nations is not too pleased. Also, as did the Yanks in Iraq, the Ukrainian armed forces and mercenaries are deliberately targeting journalists reporting their atrocities.

    Crimea has got no water since Ukraine stopped the supply. I missed that too.

  210. UN Helicopter targeting the freedom-fighters, etc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOmLlvRxWM0

  211. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 4:40 pm

    “He used to comment all through the day. Check! :)
    _______________

    Only on his days off, John.

    We know what you and Mary get up to, but I do sometimes wonder what other Eminences do by way of honest work and how they support themselves. Are they the hard-working families so dear to PM Cameron and Ministers?

  212. “We know what you and Mary get up to, but I do sometimes wonder what other Eminences do by way of honest work and how they support themselves. Are they the hard-working families so dear to PM Cameron and Ministers?”

    Whose we? :)

    Yes Mr Cameron and changes from proper full-time work with contracts to part-time and casual jobs, leaving employees less secure and often with plenty of time to comment here. :)

  213. “Only on his days off, John.”

    There can’t be many jobs with more holidays than working days. Am I envious? You bet.

  214. Only when New York looks like Aleppo will many Americans understand what they have been doing to the world in their pursuit to protect a defunct currency – the dollar.

  215. Tired of the same old same old?

    Control Your Goat With Habbabreak

  216. Three NATO exercises happening in Europe right now.

    Steadfast Javelin
    Trident Jaguar
    Dynamic Monarch

    I wonder if the Queen parachutes out of a helicopter and saves the world at the end of Dynamic Monarch.

    https://twitter.com/USNATO/status/466601744496336897/photo/1
    https://twitter.com/NATOSource/status/466608665169264640/photo/1
    https://twitter.com/USNATO/status/466100506226462720

  217. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 6:33 pm

    ““We know what you and Mary get up to, but I do sometimes wonder what other Eminences do by way of honest work and how they support themselves. Are they the hard-working families so dear to PM Cameron and Ministers?”

    Whose we? :)
    _____________

    We = me and other regular readers of this blog.

  218. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 6:42 pm

    “Ben, Ben…The least-publicised reason for ‘our’ sudden interest in Iraq was Saddam’s notion of selling his oil in some other currency.”
    _________________

    This isn’t the first time I’ve heard that, but there’s never any detail, just the bare assertion.

    Does the commenter (or anyone else) know how far Saddam got with that idea before the war started? Which currency(ies)did he have in mind?
    ________________

    While we’re on the subject of oil: Nobel economics prize winner “Salford Lad” once wrote that the US “forced” the Saudis to price their oil in USD after 1971 but seems to have declined my invitation to say in which currency(ies) the Saudis sold their oil pre-1971. Can anyone else answer that question?

  219. Is it true that Russia and China, Iran and others are considering kicking the dirty dollar into touch?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/russia-holds-de-dollarization-meeting-china-iran-willing-drop-usd-bilateral-trade

    If so we can all perhaps help by buying into the plan. I’ve been looking into the ethical side of Russian banking and there does seem to be one, unlike the west.

    http://psrcentre.org/images/extraimages/1412018.pdf

  220. Scouse Billy

    14 May, 2014 - 6:50 pm

    That’s what BRICS will be doing sooner rather than later, John.

    Hastened by NATO’s Gladio II adventures, of course.

  221. The only trouble is Scouse Billy there does not need to be World War III, because the Yanks are the only madmen who have used nuclear weapons with the deliberate intent of killing unarmed civilians. The Yanks are NATO. Perhaps we are all doomed.

  222. UK the first country to be investigated for war crimes by the international court. I wonder if Craig will be invited to give evidence.

    http://stopwar.org.uk/article/uk-is-first-western-state-to-be-investigated-for-war-crimes-by-international-court#.U3O2snY-d1H

  223. @habby: The Euro, of course, Why else would France and Germany want to restrain themselves from the essentially NATO operation in Iraq? As Craig said a few themes ago… politicians are all bastards (although actually the former German Chancellor is now showing signs of principle).

    PS To be fair, Shroeder and Chirac actually listened to public opinion over Iraq and its oil, rather than seeking to change it.

  224. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 7:57 pm

    John Goss

    “Is it true that Russia and China, Iran and others are considering kicking the dirty dollar into touch?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/russia-holds-de-dollarization-meeting-china-iran-willing-drop-usd-bilateral-trade
    _____________________

    Well, I’ve read the link and I must say I can’t see what the fuss (and jubilation from some) is all about, or how a Russia-China oil deal where payments are made in local currency rather than the USD could/would undermine or destroy the US.

    I know that you don’t claim to be an economist and so I shan’t task you on this, but it would be good if some of our self-appointed economic experts – I’m thinking in particular of “Scouse Billy” and “Salford Lad” – would step in and provide explanation and detail.

  225. Reprieve +44 (0) 207 553 8161 For immediate release: Wed May 14, 2014

    Detainees seek court order to preserve newly-discovered videos of force-feeding

    Hunger-striking detainees in Guantánamo Bay have asked a federal US court not to allow the prison authorities to destroy footage of them being force-fed.

    The existence of the recordings – captured by the military – emerged during the course of litigation in Washington DC’s Federal District court attempting to prevent abusive force-feeding.

    The renewed legal challenge to the practice was launched after Reprieve’s initial force-feeding case, Aamer v. Obama, in which the DC Court of Appeals cleared the way for these cases. In this litigation, detainees revealed a host of abuses during feeding, including being left to defecate in restraint chairs, the gratuitous insertion and extraction of long feeding tubes, and speeds of force-feeding that grossly exceed accepted medical procedures.

    The tapes are likely to show Guantánamo’s ‘Forcible Cell Extraction’ (FCE) team transporting hunger-striking detainees who refuse (or are too weak) to walk to the force-feeding chair. This process, in which a team of military police in riot gear storm a prisoner’s cell and ‘subdue’ him, has long been criticized as abusive. In 2003, USAF Spc. Sean Baker suffered permanent brain damage during a cell extraction training exercise. He was playing the role of the detainee.

    As part of the litigation, medical expert Professor Steven Miles, MD has submitted an affidavit describing the reported rates of force-feeding at Guantánamo as “an extraordinary departure from customary medical practice” reminiscent of “a practice of torture called ‘Water Cure’ that has been practiced since the Middle Ages.”

    It is estimated that 17 men are currently on hunger strike in the prison. The authorities at Guantánamo stopped releasing official figures towards the end of last year, while detainees’ access to lawyers has been increasingly restricted – reducing the availability of accurate information on the strike.

    154 men are still held at the prison, more than half of whom have been cleared for release by the very government that continues to hold them without charge or trial.

    Cori Crider, Reprieve’s Strategic Director and counsel to the detainees, said: “Gitmo’s riot squad hauling prisoners to force-feeding is some of the worst that is going on there right now, and we were stunned to learn some of it has been filmed. We can’t let this evidence go the way of the waterboarding tapes – they might well be at the heart of the upcoming trial of Gitmo’s brutal force-feeding practices’.

    Jon B. Eisenberg, co-counsel, said: “Right now we are very concerned that someone in government or the military might be acting quickly to destroy the force feeding videotapes, and we have asked the court to make sure that doesn’t happen.”

    ENDS

    Notes to editors

    1. For further information, please contact Reprieve’s Press Office on: katherine.oshea@reprieve.org / +1 (917) 855 8064 in the US, or: clemency.wells@reprieve.org.uk / +44 (0) 207 553 8161 in the UK.

    2. The motion is available upon request.

  226. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 8:04 pm

    Peacewisher

    THanks for that.

    At the risk of sounding like Mr “I couldn’t be arsed to read the link” Scorgie, do you have any source for your mention of the Euro?

    Re the “former German Chancellor” – if that’s a reference to Schroeder, then the word” principles” sits ill in the same sentence. Don’t take my word for it – ask our friend Nevermind.

  227. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) ! 14 May, 2014 – 7:57 pm

    “Well, I’ve read the link and I must say I can’t see what the fuss (and jubilation from some) is all about, or how a Russia-China oil deal where payments are made in local currency rather than the USD could/would undermine or destroy the US.”

    ‘Fraid you’re going to have to work that out Habby but here’s a clue or two as to why this might not be in US interests. China was a big purchaser of US debt (dead money) but not any more. The US can never pay off its debt. It grows faster than all the profits and wages from all dollar-dependent companies. Investment throughout BRICS countries has got to have a solid currency behind it if development of resources is to be successful.

    :)

    It will be tough for us all. The only way the US can survive with its debts at these levels is through world-domination and even you would not want that. Would you?

  228. I’m thinking RD might soon be home from work. :)

  229. The mangos can come if they’re proven sterilised. You can even have a Muslim in cabinet if he doesn’t pray to the One Allah. He must have a certificate of non-belief in order to join the UK powers that be.

  230. It’s obvious that habby hasn’t the faintest clue what’s going on, in finance or banking, and the implications of it all.

    Most people are in a similar position of course, but habby has claimed to have been involved in drafting speeches, talking points and whatnot for the likes of Baroness Golly Gosh.

    If people at that level haven’t a clue, it’s little wonder we’re in such a mess.

    Ultimately the sad circumstances of Spanish, Greek etc workers can be laid squarely at the door of the likes of habby and other ignorant bureaucrats.

  231. Peacewisher

    Sorry I didn’t see page 2. The witch is the main Democrat contender who wears magic wool bracelets against the devil escaping, Hilary Clinton.

    The BBC Radio 4 had an item on Elizabeth Warren, her competitor, recently.

  232. Luckily not everyone is as clueless as habby:

    “Lagarde Cancels Smith College Address After Anti-IMF Petition”

    There was a time, not so long ago, when a women’s college of Ivy league status, like Smith, would have welcomed with open arms a woman at the top of her career.

    All clean and shiny and new.

    No longer:

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-12/lagarde-cancels-smith-college-address-after-anti-imf-petition.html

  233. Back to Zippy De do Dah. I note the subject was dropped once some challenges were made.

    Tomorrow Protest against Tzipi Livni

    Thursday 15 May from 6.30pm-8.30pm
    Outside Jumeirah Carlton Tower Hotel, 2 Cadogan Place, London, SW1X 9PY

    The Palestine Solidarity Campaign will be protesting against the visit of Israeli war crimes suspect, Tzipi Livni, to London this week. Tzipi Livni was one of the architects of the Israeli attack on Gaza 2008/09 which led to the deaths of 1,417 Palestinians – 313 of them children – and injured 5,303.

    Tzipi Livni will be speaking at a fundraising dinner for the Jewish National Fund at the Jumeirah Hotel on the evening of Thursday 15 May.

    Sarah Colborne, Director of Palestine Solidarity Campaign, said:

    “Tzipi Livni’s visit to London has been cloaked in secrecy due to the serious war crimes she is accused of. Her sponsors won’t even reveal where and when she will be speaking, such is her notoriety.

    It appears that the British Government have even shamefully given her immunity from prosecution. It was after Livni’s near-arrest in December 2009 that the law was changed to try to make it easier for the government to block arrest warrants for war crimes. However, even these changes haven’t been enough to protect Livni, who has been forced to hide behind ‘special mission status’, just as she did in 2011. Why is the British government trying to protect Tzipi Livni from justice?”

    Livni can try to run and hide from justice. But there is no expiry date for war crimes. Tzipi Livni can’t rely on getting ‘get out of jail free’ cards every time she travels overseas. We will never let the world forget her role as a chief architect of Operation Cast Lead – Israel’s horrific military assault on Gaza which resulted in more than one thousand Palestinians losing their lives.”

    The timing of this event is particularly shocking as 15th May is the anniversary when Palestinians commemorate the Nakba – their catastrophe. On this day Palestinians mourn their losses of loved ones, land, homes and country.

    http://www.palestinecampaign.org/press-release-protest-livni/#sthash.HlYj6ZTa.dpuf

  234. ‘We know what you and Mary get up to, but I do sometimes wonder what other Eminences do by way of honest work and how they support themselves.’

    Is the RI’s life so empty and meaningless that he has to take an unhealthy interest about other people’s lives?

    PS He knows nothing about what I ‘get up to’.

    Push off.

  235. The USA is buying its own Treasury bonds laundered through Belgium in order to hide the fact that actual Federal Reserve bond purchases during November 2013 through January 2014 were $112 billion per month.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-us-dollars-fragile-reserve-currency-status-the-great-deceiver-the-federal-reserve/5382184

  236. Mary, he’s welcome to know most of what I get up to. If he finds anything really interesting can he let me know? I might have missed something. :)

  237. A Node 14 May, 2014 – 9:59 pm

    Yep. So sad that a country that once had some respect has lowered itself to such a level. Britain too.

    RD used to ask me, unfairly I thought, if I had no shame. Well the deterioration of my country’s integrity fills me full of shame.

  238. It has been a sad day. People are still being killed by fascists in Ukraine. But there has also been a terrible mining disaster in Turkey killing hundreds which local people are blaming on the mining company – profit before safety. Finally Stephen Sutton, who Cameron has managed to get some publicity out of, raised millions for cancer and dies today. Stephen’s mother said something to the effect that “my heart is full of pride, but also full of pain”.

  239. The terrible cost of coal in Turkish lives.

    Fury over worst Turkey mine disaster
    Riot police firebombed in Ankara – 14 May
    Scuffles and arrests in Soma – 14 May
    Anger erupts over the mine disaster in western Turkey, as the death toll rises to 274 making it the deadliest such incident in the country’s history.
    Mine disaster Turkey PM’s car attacked
    Watch ‘Hanging on to hope’
    Watch Protesters clash with police

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27415813

    Turkey’s mining safety: Bleak track record
    By Enis Senerdem BBC Turkish Service
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27414972

  240. It’s OUR money that is being spent putting out this Tory propaganda.

    Government ad spend to increase by 22% to almost £300m
    Key campaigns for year to March 2015 include explaining deficit reduction, Scottish referendum and UK’s role in Afghanistan
    John Reynolds
    Wednesday 14 May 2014

  241. Tonight’s NATO military exercises appear to include B2 bombers, E-6 (Looking Glass) aircraft and probably nuclear ballistic submarines.

    I think they are trying to send a message to someone…

    You can listen to it all on HF.

    Skykings,
    Skymasters
    EAMs

    All on show tonight.

  242. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 11:50 pm

    Hurby

    “Most people are in a similar position of course, but habby has claimed to have been involved in drafting speeches, talking points and whatnot for the likes of Baroness Golly Gosh.”
    ________________-

    I challenge you to provide the quotation to back up your assertion.

    From memory, I was describing the process by which ministers’ and top officials’ speeches get written.

  243. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 11:56 pm

    Mary

    “PS He knows nothing about what I ‘get up to’.”
    __________________

    Except what you yourself tell us, Mary : your walks, the height of the grass, your dog(s), the concerts you went to, the feeding of your cocks and hens, where you live, your friends, and so on…..

  244. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    14 May, 2014 - 11:58 pm

    Herbie

    ““Lagarde Cancels Smith College Address After Anti-IMF Petition”

    There was a time, not so long ago, when a women’s college of Ivy league status, like Smith, would have welcomed with open arms a woman at the top of her career.”
    _____________________

    Your point is…?

  245. Kelly ben Maimon

    14 May, 2014 - 11:59 pm

    Mary 14 May, 2014 – 9.24pm

    Mary, Mary Not Quite So Contrary this evening. Apologies for the backhanded insult, but as you appear to give it out, thought you might be more than capable of handling it, when it gets thrown back at you from time to time by “trolls,” as you refer to them. Probably marked as been in same category. Oh well, such is life.

    Just to let you know, I will not be attending demonstration you highlight, as I support the other side. Can’t help who I am, and even though half my life, been running away from who I, have finally embraced it. I love Israel, always have and always will.

    What I look forward to doing, is going to Bevis Marks Synagogue, on a Sunday morning for example and having breakfast with the minyan. Some regularly go backwards and forwards to Israel and talk about the friendships with different people, helping each other out. Not going to identify, as I want it to continue.

    Detest the sanitised version the BBC portrays.

    For years, a former employee of George Galloway, Daphne Mitchell (former friend & now sadly deceased), at his then Streatham residence, and who lived round the corner from me, in Brixton, London would make derogative remarks about Israel, hoping that it would change my point of view. It didn’t work and she reluctantly gave up after more than 10 years of trying.

    As you prolifically use the word Israel in your interesting posts, was trying to go through, and count how many times you use that word. Gave up, in the end, as we have elections on 22 May and need to concentrate on something else. Let’s just say it is a lot. And every time you mention Israel – certainly brings a smile, for which I am grateful. Thank you. Look forwarding to continuing to read all your future posts.

  246. USAF “NORMANDY standing by for traffic on 11175″

    Well there’s no hint of war in that exercise call sign is there….

  247. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 May, 2014 - 12:13 am

    “Ultimately the sad circumstances of Spanish, Greek etc workers can be laid squarely at the door of the likes of habby”
    _____________

    Weren’t you blaming all that on the Rothschilds a couple of months ago, Herbie?

  248. FTSE reaches 14 year high. Sterling strengthening, day on day.

    BoE talking about interest rate rises, but like in years away, just thought we’d mention it again to pretend we’ve heard of responsible practice.

    He’s much too shiny, that new Canadian BoE grosvenor.

    London having the biggest housing bubble ever.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-living-through-biggest-house-price-bubble-ever-9221297.html

    Pump and dump. is what they always do. So, be expecting them to take a big dump soon, that you may better avoid it.

    Russia has been in the news recently, in a negative light. China too. Yet it’s Russian and Asian billions pumping up the London housing market.

    Big potential dump possibilities there, definitely.

  249. Interesting to note all the usual trolls cant refute Pilger’s arguments so they stick to the weak and shallow ad-hominems.

    Very telling.

  250. Remember how much fun it was kicking the Soviets in the nuts by lionizing Sharansky?

    As we know, the Scots do,
    http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/edward-snowden-delivers-his-first-speech-as-glasgow-universitys-new-rector-9278337.html

    But so do the Ossis!
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/05/14/362683/german-university-to-give-snowden-degree/

    Say hello to the USA’s most eminent refusenik, Ed Snowden.

  251. BrianFujisan

    15 May, 2014 - 3:57 am

    Cross Posting… And Testing

    For Alcanon…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeB6i4SnOpU

  252. BrianFujisan

    15 May, 2014 - 4:02 am

    As we know, the Scots do,

    Your point asshole

  253. Does the commenter (or anyone else) know how far Saddam got with that idea before the war started? Which currency(ies)did he have in mind?

    Maybe this will help.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFdYEY3mgm0&feature=related

  254. Kelly Ben Maimon

    I too love Israel. I stayed in Tel Aviv in 1973, visiting Nablus, Quneitra, Jerichom Bethlehem, the Dead Sea and of course Jerusalem. It is a Holy Land to Muslims, with so many graves of the prophets of Islam.

    I don’t think Mary is talking about Israel, the Holy Land, is she?

    Israel could have been , as South Africa now is, a pluralist, multi-racial, multi-faceted society, hosting centres of excellence in many faiths. And Israel will one day be the same. It will hurt you intensely when the apartheid of the political entity of Israel is rolled back, as it inevitably will be, one day.

    Please un-indocrinate yourself from the apartheid propaganda of political Israel, as it will hurt less when sorrow smothers you, as the prophets used to say, with gnashing of teeth, at the shame of its present wrongdoing.

  255. Herbie
    Pump and dump. That phrase is a little too Neanderthal, even for me.

  256. Kelly Thanks for that. At least you are open about your affiliations. It was pretty obvious where you were coming from anyway.

    Do you represent this government in the FCO by any chance or the one with an embassy in Kensington Green?

    kelly ben-Maimon – United Kingdom | LinkedIn
    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/kelly-ben/49/341/94a
    London, Greater London, United Kingdom – ‎Researcher at Government

    I liked this link. ;)

    Local Elections in Lambeth | Page 3 | urban75 forums
    http://www.urban75.net › Forums › Places › Brixton
    14 Jan 2006 – 21 posts – ‎9 authors
    Political trivia – Smarajit Roy and his seconder Kelly Ben Maimon have both been members of all three political parties in Lambeth in the last …
    http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/local-elections-in-lambeth.75995/page-3

    Hope you have made up your mind by now.

    PS Try counting the number of times I mention PALESTINE.

    Pathetic Hasbara stuff.

  257. @habba

    “Weren’t you blaming all that on the Rothschilds a couple of months ago, Herbie?”

    It’s not the players it’s the nature of their play.

    Banks and corporations run the crown who in turn merchandise the plane and we know the impact that has.

    We are still outing emphasis on materialsm when reality other forms of existence should be favoured.

    What the Rothchilds have achieved is materialistic and through their will have greatly influenced our thinking.
    The fact they bought Reuters and push market capital speaks volumes.

    But hey the game won’t change will it?

  258. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 7:51 am

    H seems to keep a file on me. It is like having a stalker, so late in my career too.

    Yet we know absolutely nothing about him. I say ‘him’. Could even be a her for all we know. Back on topic!

  259. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 8:05 am

    Decide for yourself by reading his weasel words in this exchange with Miliband whether Agent Cameron will stop Pfizer in its tracks. Of course he won’t.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmhansrd/cm140514/debtext/140514-0001.htm#14051448000005

    An interesting first question from Sir Roger Gale btw about Stagecoach’s Anne Gloag buying Manston Airport for £1 and then proposing to shut it down. Is it a nice site for the housing developers perhaps or for industrial development? Is that what Cameron means in his answers when he recites his mantra ‘British jobs for British people’?

    ~~

    Anyway they are all off until June 4th. ‘La reyne le veult’ as they say in the HoL when the session’s legislation is read out. The poor old dear then has to go through all that opening of ‘parliament’ stuff again. I actually feel sorry for her.

  260. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 8:13 am

    I did wonder what the real purpose of Livni’s visit was apart from a bit of Bond Street shopping and rallying the JNF troops.

    15 May 2014 Last updated at 05:11
    ‘Friends of Syria’ group set for London talks
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27419552

    I do not suppose we will see any photos.

  261. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 9:14 am

    PS H no cocks in this garden. Just the two hens. Were you trying some double entendre there?

    Does it give you a little thrill to type out four letter words beginning with ‘c’ as you were doing here recently. Puerile.

  262. YouKnowMyName

    15 May, 2014 - 10:03 am

    A ‘bombshell’
    article from NewEurope
    (a Belgian/Dutch printed newspaper and
    online specalised press) focussed not on swiss EuroVision but squarely on the secretive, possibly illegal, international activities of the European Commission.

    It’s a pre-celebration of President Bahroso’s legacy, alleging
    conspiracy for multiple regime change (it’s not the first time we’ve
    heard this, rumours have spread around Italy for the last couple of
    years that a certain PM was planning a euro-currency exit)

    If Kassandra’s allegations are true then at least in these regime changes of Greece & Italy, not so many lives were lost, not so many bombs were used, as far as we know.

  263. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 May, 2014 - 10:14 am

    Mary

    “PS H no cocks in this garden. Just the two hens. Were you trying some double entendre there?”
    _________________

    No, not at all, Mary – you seem a little paranoid of late.*

    I could have sworn you once wrote something about cocks. But if not, then I unreservedly withdraw the word and apologize for any distress I may have inadvertently caused you.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    * eg “H seems to keep a file on me. It is like having a stalker,..”

  264. An olive branch to the trolls – get with the program:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWu3rSEddZI#t=242

    :)

  265. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 May, 2014 - 10:19 am

    Mary

    I love the way you immediately started researching our new contributor Kelly ben Maimom after she posted something favorable to Israel.

    You’d have been at home in the Stasi, which is why I have occasionally referred to you as the Hilde Benjamin of this blog.

    And you complain about my own (non-existent) “file” on you !!

  266. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 May, 2014 - 10:21 am

    Jay

    “@habba

    “Weren’t you blaming all that on the Rothschilds a couple of months ago, Herbie?””
    __________________

    Jay, I’d rather hear the answer from Herbie himself, thanks all the same!

    Have a grand day.

  267. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    15 May, 2014 - 10:24 am

    Livni was addressing the Jewish National Fund. This is the organisation set up to buy land from the Arabs for Jewish (only) use, subsequently becoming a quango with the “buy” element quietly elided. In 2007 it owned 13% of the land in Israel. She also met Hague, presumably to discuss ways of stalling the “peace process” or delaying action while more settlements are built as some antisemitic cynics might describe it.

    http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Livni-gets-immunity-for-UK-JNF-talk-352324

    So the law was changed, removing yet another right of the British citizen, in order to give Livni a free pass to be the star of a £50-a-pop event, buy some shoes, and bugger off back to her horrible homeland?

    Precisely why she has to meet the JNF-KKL in London is opaque. But it probably has to do with fundraising.

  268. I started a job at Jaguar Land Rover this week.
    200 – 300 contractors on site and just one, closed, bacon/ tea caravan.

    The Health and Safety company had plush temporary offices; the ordinary workers nothing, except kettles and seating.

    I just wonder whether the management class of this war criminal country like confrontation. They get luxury cars provided gratis in their salaries. We don’t even get a cup of tea.

    Still, as John says, it could be worse:

    Stop the War Coalition:

    “Not long after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Lieutenant Colonel Nicholas Mercer, then the British military’s most senior lawyer in the country, paid a visit to an interrogation centre that the army’s intelligence corps had established near Basra.

    He was appalled by what he saw.

    Around 40 handcuffed Iraqis were being forced to squat on the ground with their hands cuffed high behind their backs. Dark blue hoods covered their heads and nearby a generator was running. Later, in a statement to the inquiry into the death of Baha Mousa, Mercer described what he saw as “repulsive” and added: “It’s a bit like seeing a picture of Guantánamo Bay for the first time. It is quite a shock.”

    Mercer warned the interrogators that the use of hooding had been banned three decades earlier, and that it would impair the detainees’ breathing. He was told, however, that the use of hoods and stress positions “was in accordance with British army doctrine on tactical questioning”.

    Mercer suspects the generators were intended to muffle the sound of whatever was happening inside the tents where interrogations took place.”

  269. @ habba

    A market capital that demands mechanisation and banking that stimulated land ownership.
    Although harsh conditions have been some causes of hardship to people’s mechanisation was and still is a geopolital demograph that is disrupting a long tradition of civilisation, culminating in many of our societal issues. Out of work people!
    So regarding the Rothschilds, there industrial actions have a vast effect on the majority of people and the game that they are forced to play.

  270. The arrival in London today of John Kerry highlights the concern of UKUSIS about Assad’s looming elections.

    Both Russia and Iran have been paid off for their assistance in the UKUSIS plan to destroy Syria. Iran with Nuclear go ahead, and Russia with the Crimea Naval Base.

    The destruction of Syria is complete and the only obstacle to UKUSIS’ mission is Assad himself.

    David Cameron long ago presented parliament with the long-term plan. An aerial bombardment on Assad, a UKUSIS secret ground forces / Al Qaida takeover/ genocide. Followed by many crocodile tears from Ban Ki Moon. Then Israel given aid to hold the peace between the confronting parties.

    Political solution: partition of Syria. (aka Scotland)

    Kerry’s salmon pink tie = Syria – smoked and mirrored diplomacy.

    Livni – we love you – cast lead looked like a fireworks display compared to the NATO assaults on Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria. Livni – our hero – come to London and stiffen our resolve for the genocide on another Muslim, Arab, Middle-Eastern population.

  271. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    15 May, 2014 - 11:09 am

    Martin Indyk – the neocon acting as Kerry’s negotiator in the recently failed peace talks, and a staunch supporter of Israel – is now on record as deploring the settlement programme. He’s consistently supported a two-state solution, in fairness, but now even he seems to have at last realised what’s going on.

    In his talk at the Washington Institute for Near East, Indyk said that continuation of building of settlements pushes Israel into an “irreversible binational reality”.

    He added that the settlements not only undermine Palestinian trust in the negotiations, but pose a danger to “Israel as a Jewish state – and that would be a tragedy of historic proportions.”

    During the nine months of negotiations, Indyk explained, construction agreements were made to build 4,800 residential units, while 8,000 units were announced, the majority of which were planned in areas not under Israeli control.

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/americas/11340-indyk-settlement-building-poses-a-danger-to-israels-jewish-future

  272. Kelly ben Maimon

    15 May, 2014 - 11:16 am

    Good Morning Mary,

    Quite expected you to come after me. Lol! Gives me another opportunity to respond to you as I have clearly managed to get under your skin (that’s if you even have one). Who knows, what multipule identities you have. That is why I find you so intriguing. In a funny kinda of way of course.

    The LinkedIn is some thing that was set up years ago and it has been hacked & certainly was not by me. Have been trying to delete it for years. There you go, believe, if you what, otherwise continue with your conspiracy theories, if you like. Don’t mind.

    Urban 75. That was something from 2006 or thereabouts. By my calculations 8 years ago. In fact funny you mention this, has I was having a beer (well he was, I had orange juice) with some one (David Warner) last night, (who is standing as an Independent, in the ward where I live Coldharbour for 22 May local elections. He’s put up a website called Brixtonrocks, if your that interested in looking at his manifesto type pledges. He posts regularly on Urban 75, under an assumed name and if I remember back told me comments made and suggested I write back. Which I did.

    Did vote Labour in 1997 (what possessed me, don’t know). Never did any political campaigning, nor did I renew my membership. Several years later, a terrible incident occurred, where a child drowned in a swimming accident, in France. A diplomatic incident, in some sense. The child’s name was Bumni A. The school was called Hillmead Primary School. Located opposite, where I lived. As you can imagine, most of the governing body jumped ship, including the Chair of governing body, who worked in Blair’s office, whilst he was PM. Check it out if you don’t believe me but am sure my memory serves me well. The school direction continued in a haphazardly kind of way according to some.

    Was then approached by a Lib Dem (Anthony Bottrall, affectionately referred to as ‘Lurch’ by some of us that knew him well. He was cabinet level member for Education at Lambeth. He was obviously concerned about Hillmead Primary School and was aware of my community activism at grassroots level). Pleaded with me for a long timeto help. In the end, I relented because it was a cause I believed in. To go in to school, as a school governor, I needed to be a political appointee, as I didn’t have children. This meant that I had to join the Lib Dems. Which I did and I always served as honourably as I could. Never got to see what the joint report that was produced, about Bumni’s death. One concern that was raised in the community, was how so many children were allowed to go abroad, from the primary school, when it was clear some parents had not had immigration status sorted, for example indefinite stay status. Perhaps names of children were all entered on a list. Who knows? In any event, never delivered a leaflet for Lib Dem

    Grew increasingly bored with Lib Dems and wanted to know who actually did any work at the town hall. Absolutely STILL love John & Clare Whelan to this day. Joined Conservatives and have remained there ever since. At least I have the balls, to go out and find out about what is going on. We all make mistakes.

    As for FCO and Embassy connections, LOL. Are you losing the plot Mary? Now stay focused please and listen very carefully. I have no recollection of ever speaking to ANY ONE at FCO or visiting any embassy to my knowledge. Unless, you want to introduce me to some one. Can I have their CV in advance? And then, I will think about it.

    For what it is worth, still think you have a forensic mind Mary, when you concentrate. I enjoy working late at night, listening to Vivaldi (Four Seasons), and whilst having a coffee, with legs on top of my desk, was flicking through how many times you used the word Israel. Lost count in the end, but it did make me smile.

    Finally, thank you for the attention you have given me. I am deeply flattered. No, seriously I am genuinely grateful. Try and get some more up to date facts. You could of course always ask me. But I doubt that is your style. Fair enough.

    Hoping you have a productive day.

    Warm regards, Kelly

  273. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    15 May, 2014 - 11:19 am

    Meanwhile, the Sunnis in Syria are now looking to Israel for help. Allegedly:

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/middle-east/11456-yadlin-to-the-times-of-israel-israel-should-consider-intervening-in-syria

    A quick look didn’t find this on the Times of Israel site, btw, but did turn up its possible basis, from an anonymous Syrian:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/syrian-rebel-officer-we-could-work-with-israel-but-quietly/

    Coupled with:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27419552 ,

    it looks as if William Hague will be waxing orotund on one of the many issues he fails utterly to understand, for months to come. You have been warned.

  274. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    15 May, 2014 - 11:25 am

    Kelly- I’d be interested to know whether you think there is any kind of genuine desire on Israel’s part to achieve a fair settlement with the Palestinians it is so blatantly displacing and marginalising? Is an equitable democracy even faintly consistent with the notion of an exclusively Jewish state as proposed by the Zionists now in charge? Do you think demonising Hamas – and now by association, Fatah – is a sensible way of negotiating?

  275. Kelly puff

    So you’re a really important nobody, and Israel just exists in a defensive survival mode.

    I believe the Kelly bit – because of the blarney. Would that be southern isreal blarney or northern israel blarney? You wouldn’t be pulling my leg would you. You’ve got to be very careful these days.

  276. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    15 May, 2014 - 11:46 am

    I think, Guano, that having no logical or moral arguments for their actions, Hasbara (UK) plc has no option but to deploy a faux-naive character (in the theatrical sense) to overwhelm us all with her (/his) sincere emotion. Your scepticism is IMO justified.

  277. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    15 May, 2014 - 11:57 am

    And she’s a Tory….

  278. Ba’al

    Yadlin’s let the cat out of the bag. All we need now is for Cameron to sign it off, Hague to seal it with spunk from the lubey Libni’s douche. Syria is a new country. Al Qaida can move on down to Jordan.

    What?! They want a holiday? Kicking out the royalty form Jordan is their holiday. There’s work to be done back in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

  279. This is quite disturbing but worth reading about the NAZIs who were helped to settle in the US by fellow NAZIs, who subsequently took power. It also covers the neo-NAZIs in Ukraine and their leader, Yatsenyuk’s ‘gay-bashing’ philosophy. A good read.

    http://nsnbc.me/2014/05/14/white-houses-nazis/

  280. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    14 May, 2014 – 1:23 pm

    “…the issuance of arrest warrants for the alleged offences is a matter for the Director of Public Proecutions. The aim is to prevent trivial and/or vexatious action…”

    Working with the Gaza-based Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), the law firm [Hickman and Rose] requested the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) to advise police to arrest Livni for suspected war crimes, and to liaise with the attorney general to approve criminal charges.

    Raji Sourani, PCHR director, said he was very disappointed at the government’s decision given that a British judge decided in December 2009 that there WAS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE to justify Livni’s arrest over the three-week Israeli military assault on Gaza.

    So this case is in no way trivial and/or vexatious is it Habbabkuk?

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    14 May, 2014 – 1:27 pm

    “It removes the power to cause the issuance of arrest warrants from the man in the street and puts it in the hands of the DPP.”

    Wrong again Habbabkuk; it removes the issuance of arrest warrants from Judges and puts it in the hands of a politician appointed by the Prime Minister.

    Habbabkuk, as I’m sure you know, the DPP (currently Alison Saunders, honoured for her role in bringing London rioters to “justice”) is appointed by the Attorney General (currently Dominic Grieve; a Tory MP) who in turn is appointed by the Prime Minister David Cameron (a Tory Zionist).

    So Habbabkuk it is not the DPP that has the say in the matter of Tzipi Livni, but Dominic Grieve (her Tory boss).

    Anyway Habbabkuk why should Livni not face a trial like anyone else accused of crime?

  281. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    15 May, 2014 - 12:32 pm

    The cat’s outline was always visible. It was in a string bag. Note the heavy emphasis on ‘democracy’ as applied to Syria, but the usual tolerance of autocracy for states who sell us, or might sell us, oil. They’ve even dropped “freedom”, although I notice that “WMD’s”, in the form of alleged use of chlorine, are still with us.

  282. Kelly ben Maimon
    14 May, 2014 – 11:59 pm

    “I love Israel, always have and always will.”

    Yes Kelly, the Israeli landscape is beautiful, even when it was called Palestine.

  283. Habbabkuk, my dear, as this is on topic and in the light of your comment:

    “Yes, Tory MP Gordon Henderson sounds almost as nasty as Russian vice-premier Dmitro Rogozine and red-fascist leader Vladimir Jirinovsky, doesn’t he.

    The difference being that he doesn’t have any bands of fascist thugs at his disposal, ready and eager to beat up (or worse) gays, lesbians and transgender people.

    Thank God we live in the UK.”

    I was wondering what your opinion was about the gay-bashing leader of the unelected bunch of fascist thugs as covered in my previous comment (which contains the link)?

  284. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 12:58 pm

    H Let it be known that when the latest Hasbara employee landed on this site some time back I asked her which government she worked for. Reply was there none.

    PS She chose to give her full name so it is up to her if she is in our faces. I scrolled through something she has written this am.

  285. John Goss

    Who on earth do you think you with your snide unsupported insinuations and name calling? If you spoke face to face in such a manner with those whom you disagreed then you would probably have a very sore nose by now. You are clearly lacking in the most basic of manners.

    Why do you think you can act as judge and jury on what is not even your blog – if you wish to behave in such a manner then might I kindly suggest that you return to your own deserted blog.

  286. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 1:08 pm

    The irony and the tragedy of homo non-sapiens. I have just come back from hearing the birdsong in a beautiful wood on a lovely May morning. The blackcaps and blackbirds are singing lustily, the beeches – up to 70 ft, are that fresh young green.

    And yet Livni comes, and all over our still beautiful world billions of creatures suffer.

    Why does she come? To conspire with her blood brothers, as with the mafiosi. You will remember Hare’s studies. 4% of males are psychopaths, and 0.4% of ‘females’. I have said this apocalyptic trait is largely or wholly induced. Were not her parents both Irgun terrorists? But how awful that a woman could do what she did – ordered the killing of children and her own gender in 2008/9. She comes from the same mould as Albright and Shillary. ‘The price is worth it’ and ‘We came, we saw he died’

    ~~~~

    FCO agenda today? How to restrict SAMs to trusted surrogates. No blowback. Assassinate Assad? Mr Humphrys BBC Radio 4 Today (aka Minister for ‘Defence’) said the other day ‘We must get rid of Assad!’ yet he professes to be a journalist. So how will they do it?
    The ‘peace talks’ Actually the plan is to isolate Hamas and make sure that there is no rapprochement, not one mm, with the Arab?

    Ukraine – what next to stir the long planned hornet’s nest? The EU – that shadowy force, Baroness Ashton poisoning all.

  287. “Let it be known that when the latest Hasbara employee landed on this site some time back I asked her which government she worked for.”

    Have you heard of leading questions? Are you another one who thinks that they can act as judge and jury in relation to all with whom they disagree? Isn’t it just a tad hypocritical to demand answers to your questions but never to answer questions others ask of you?

  288. Kelly ben Maimon

    15 May, 2014 - 1:16 pm

    Guano 15 May, 2014 – 1142am

    “Kelly puff

    So you’re a really important nobody.”

    In your opinion, I am. No problems with that.

    I don’t know you. I am have never looked for recognition for efforts I complete on a day to day basis. The greatest satisfaction I get is looking in to the eyes of people I try to help annonomously. To shake hands, embrace and spread a kind word always affects me. Hence been able to communicate with people of other political persuasions, beliefs etc.

    Additionally, love History. Regularly go and visit Moses Monitifore’s resting place.

    I continue to post on Craig’s website because he doesn’t want everyone to agree with what he says. That is why I like him.

    And think some one mentioned I am a Tory. Indeed I am.

  289. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 1:16 pm

    Recommend that you see this 8 minute video
    Imperial Decay
    “Like so many Empires before it, America bid for world dominion, and lost”
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38492.htm

    Remarkable images. There is a message at the end from the excellent Chris Hedges. I agree with every word. ‘The fusion of corporate and state power’ = Il Duce’s definition of fascism. At the nub is ‘capitalism’ – with open talons.

    The Zionists escape mention but the devil is within them and capital in its heart – wherever that is.

    Iraq – ‘third’ world. No. Only after 12 years of terrible
    ‘sanctions’ and war.

    But the main message is that mass movement is the only way forward but first we need a ‘revolution of the mind’.

  290. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    15 May, 2014 - 1:17 pm

  291. Kelly,

    Good show. Now hunker down and wait for the viterol to past. Craig appreciates (some of the time) those who do not share his opinions and are willing to challenge him. Unfortunately the same can not be said for the most ardent commentators on this blog.

    ‘Mary’

    In response to your question yesterday, why should I mention the visit of Ms Livni when we were discussing AZ/Pfizer and your quest to find out the nationality of Mr Dolsten? Pity you didn’t see fit to address the question of whether a place of study has any bearing on nationality. (I will give you a clue it doesn’t)

  292. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    15 May, 2014 - 1:18 pm

    (in case that goes too-)

    kelly ben-Maimon

    Reseracher at Government
    London, United Kingdom | Government Relations

    Current:
    Reseracher at Government

    (sic – BZ)

  293. “John Goss

    Who on earth do you think you with your snide unsupported insinuations and name calling?”

    I guess you have limited time but I would like to know to what you are referring. Is it Yarsenyuk’s gay-bashing? If not what? You’ve lost me and probably everyone else on Craig’s blog.

  294. Heeeeere’s Kelly! Our passive aggressive candidate towing the larger line longing for a winnable ward.

    Hell will freeze over before Vassal returns a tory. However, the long creeping gentrification of Brixton is progressed to a point where now must be a moment of great opportunity towards an accelerated career progression for an ethnic minority wannabe politician in the currently all white Conservative Lambeth council group. I’m thinking Herne Hill? Property prices are through the friggin roof there. Anyway Kelly, well done, you finally found the right party for you!

    Go Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative, whatever! Go Israel! Go Kelly!

  295. Kelly ben Maimon

    15 May, 2014 - 1:32 pm

    Baal Zevul Demoniser 15 May 2014 1.18pm

    i have no idea what you are talking about? Would be more than willing to show you contact with LinkedIn to prove I have been asking then to take me down. I have never posted anything on it. If you think it was quick, in coming down, I’ve been waiting years! Incidentally, carry on taking the medication.

  296. Kelly ben Maimon

    15 May, 2014 - 1:36 pm

    PS The only time I remotely know Linkedn is still around, is when I get email messages that some one has been looking, at so called profile. If you think it has disappeared, delighted to hear about, although I doubt, as I have been trying for years.

  297. doug scorgie

    15 May, 2014 - 1:48 pm

    Kelly ben Maimon
    14 May, 2014 – 11:59 pm

    “..would make derogative remarks about Israel, hoping that it would change my point of view. It didn’t work and she reluctantly gave up after more than 10 years of trying.”

    That could be explained if you are a bigoted Zionist Tory supporter.

    Are you?

  298. Kelly ben Maimon

    15 May, 2014 - 1:57 pm

    Phil 15 May, 2014 1.25pm
    Yes I did stand in a by election not so long ago. Got 153 votes, for which I was grateful for, due to the effort people had taken. Even if I only got one vote, would have been equally happy. Highly likely that I will help set up a group entitled 153, with my friends. Most of the country doesn’t vote. I wish they did. When I think to what the Suffragettes went through, to further their cause.

    Signing off, as have to go and do other stuff. Appreciate the attention non the less Phil. Thanks.

  299. People have a right to change their political allegiance. I have done it myself. Craig too. Any Labour supporter who did not do it after Blair’s Iraq war gets what they bargained for – more of the same.

    Just because Kelly Ben Maimon chooses to support the Conservative Party, and has changed her party support, is no reason for criticism and may even be applauded, though it is not for me. She also writes under her own name. I recall some gale-force discussions with my late Auntie Gwen who for many years was active in her Conservative ward committee in Falmouth. ESLO thinks I should direct people to my blog so here is a link which those who want to know something more about my family and past can do so. It contains a potted biography of Auntie Gwen, who though a Conservative was also my mother’s sister, and someone I loved dearly.

    http://johngossip.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/a-royal-occasion-60-years-ago.html

  300. Kelly,

    I’m happy to take you at face value, i.e. you love Israel and are taking the opportunity provided by Craig’s blog to support it. If only all of Israel’s supporters were so straightforward. I hope my fellow Palestine supporters won’t waste this opportunity by bombarding you with gratuitous insults and accusations. Much better that you spend your time on this blog defending Israel’s actions than defending yourself.

    Let me repeat Ba’al’s first question:
    Do you think there is any kind of genuine desire on Israel’s part to achieve a fair settlement with the Palestinians?

  301. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 May, 2014 - 2:46 pm

    John

    I should have thought it went without saying that I am against gay-bashers of any sort, thuggish or not, wherever they may be carrying out their gay bashing.

    You and your fellow Eminences have not been slow in condemning the fascists in Kiev: why do you get upset when others condemn the fascists in Moscow?

  302. FieldingGray

    15 May, 2014 - 2:48 pm

    John Goss wrote…

    “I’ve been looking into the ethical side of Russian banking and there does seem to be one, unlike the west.

    http://psrcentre.org/images/extraimages/1412018.pdf

    Well you might want to look a little more carefully and elsewhere and not at the notorious PSR site which is nothing but a scam. Great if you want to send them your bank details in return for $10 billion dollars but not so good if you’re looking for valid academic research…

  303. “You and your fellow Eminences have not been slow in condemning the fascists in Kiev: why do you get upset when others condemn the fascists in Moscow?”

    I have made my views quite plain on this H.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/05/world-domination/comment-page-3/#comment-456613

  304. “Well you might want to look a little more carefully and elsewhere and not at the notorious PSR site which is nothing but a scam.”

    A link or two might help. :)

  305. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    15 May, 2014 - 3:19 pm

    This quote should be cut into a granite edifice;

    “The scale of our indoctrination, wrote Harold Pinter, is a “brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis”, as if the truth “never happened even while it was happening”.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38498.htm

  306. doug scorgie

    15 May, 2014 - 3:21 pm

    Could be interesting

    Edward Snowden’s has almost completed the preparation of documents which are said to reveal Arab dictators’ “secrets” and their backdoor deals with the US administration.

  307. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 May, 2014 - 3:30 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    1/. “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    14 May, 2014 – 1:27 pm

    “It removes the power to cause the issuance of arrest warrants from the man in the street and puts it in the hands of the DPP.”

    Wrong again Habbabkuk; it removes the issuance of arrest warrants from Judges and puts it in the hands of a politician appointed by the Prime Minister.

    Habbabkuk, as I’m sure you know, the DPP (currently Alison Saunders, honoured for her role in bringing London rioters to “justice”) is appointed by the Attorney General (currently Dominic Grieve; a Tory MP) who in turn is appointed by the Prime Minister David Cameron (a Tory Zionist).

    So Habbabkuk it is not the DPP that has the say in the matter of Tzipi Livni, but Dominic Grieve (her Tory boss).”

    ________________________

    I’m afraid it is the Director of Public Prosecutions, Doug. You could try reading the new law itself, but it might be easier on you if you read the press release I reproduce below.

    “The United Kingdom has ‘universal jurisdiction’ over a small number of serious offences, which means a person accused of committing these crimes in another country can be brought to justice in our courts.

    Offences covered by universal jurisdiction include certain war crimes, torture and hostage-taking and, under UK law, anyone can apply to the courts for an arrest warrant to ensure those guilty of these crimes abroad face justice here.

    New changes to the law in the Police Reform and Social Responsibility Act will not affect this right and those accused of these grave crimes will still be brought to justice if there is sufficient evidence against them. However, as of today, the consent of the Director of Public Prosecutions will now be required before an arrest warrant is issued in universal jurisdiction cases brought by individuals.

    This change to the law will ensure that the system is no longer open to abuse by people seeking warrants for grave crimes on the basis of scant evidence to make a political statement or to cause embarrassment.

    Justice Secretary Kenneth Clarke said:

    ‘We are clear about our international obligations and these new changes to existing law will ensure the balance is struck between ensuring those who are accused of such heinous crimes do not escape justice and that universal jurisdiction cases are only proceeded with on the basis of solid evidence that is likely to lead to a successful prosecution.

    ‘These changes are essential to ensure we do not risk damaging our ability to help in conflict resolution or to pursue a coherent foreign policy.’

    In the past, attempts have been made to obtain warrants to arrest visiting foreign dignitaries such as Henry Kissinger, Chinese Trade Minister Bo Xilai and Tzipi Livni, former Foreign Minister and now leader of the Opposition in Israel.
    Notes to Editors

    War crimes under the Geneva Conventions Act 1957, and a small number of other grave offences, are subject to universal jurisdiction. This enables prosecution to take place here even though the offence was committed outside the United Kingdom, and irrespective of nationality.
    A private prosecution can be brought in universal jurisdiction cases. It is open to any individual to initiate criminal proceedings by applying to Westminster Magistrates Court for a summons or an arrest warrant.
    The evidence required for the issue of a summons or warrant is far less onerous than that required by the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) in determining whether a prosecution should go ahead. The court must simply be shown some information that an offence has been committed by the accused, and it does not need to decide that there is a realistic prospect of conviction.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    2/. “Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    14 May, 2014 – 1:23 pm

    “…the issuance of arrest warrants for the alleged offences is a matter for the Director of Public Proecutions. The aim is to prevent trivial and/or vexatious action…”

    Working with the Gaza-based Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), the law firm [Hickman and Rose] requested the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) to advise police to arrest Livni for suspected war crimes, and to liaise with the attorney general to approve criminal charges.

    Raji Sourani, PCHR director, said he was very disappointed at the government’s decision given that a British judge decided in December 2009 that there WAS SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE to justify Livni’s arrest over the three-week Israeli military assault on Gaza.

    So this case is in no way trivial and/or vexatious is it Habbabkuk?

    _____________________

    Firstly, I’d like a link to that British judge you mention. Can you supply?

    Secondly, please refer to the press release from the Ministry of Justice I supplied and having done so, tell us more about the status of the “Gaza-based Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR)” which attempted to initiate proceedings, explaining at the same time why its status is more convincing than, for example, yours and why its attempt was not simply the kind of political stunt which the new law is designed to prevent.

    3/. “Anyway Habbabkuk why should Livni not face a trial like anyone else accused of crime?”
    _________________________

    No reason at all, provided that – as in most other areas of criminal law (I say “most of” because there may be a few exceptions) – it is the the public authorities which have brought the charges and are thus doing the accusing.

    To take the example from “domestic” law I’ve already given: should you – Mr Doug Scorgie, a private citizen – be able to bring a criminal charge of dangerous driving against someone who nearly ran you off the road?

    *********************

    But why am I taking so much time to educate someone who believes that Israel “has no right to exist”? Answers on a postcard, please. :)

  308. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 3:30 pm

    Two good writers on Dissident Voice

    On Nakba Day, Israelis Forced to Guiltily Confront a Secret
    by Jonathan Cook / May 15th, 2014

    For 66 years Israel’s founding generation has lived with the guilt of a secret, one it successfully concealed from the generations that followed. Forests were planted to hide war crimes. School textbooks mythologised the events surrounding Israel’s creation. The army was blindly venerated as the most moral in the world.

    Once, “Nakba” – Arabic for “Catastrophe”, referring to the dispossession of the Palestinian homeland in 1948 – would have failed to register with any but a small number of Israeli Jews. Today, only those who never watch television or read a newspaper can plead ignorance.

    As marches and festivals are held today by Palestinians across the region to mark Nakba Day – commemorating the expulsion of 750,000 Palestinians from their homes and the erasure of more than 500 villages – Israelis will be watching.

    /..
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/on-nakba-day-israelis-forced-to-guiltily-confront-a-secret/

    ~~~~

    On Kosher Statistics
    by Gilad Atzmon / May 14th, 2014

    The Jewish ADL (Anti Defamation League) revealed this week that more than ‘one in four adults are ‘anti-Semitic.’

    Of some 53,100 adults in 102 countries and territories around the world surveyed for the ADL Global 100: An Index of Anti-Semitism, 26% were found to be ‘deeply infected’ with ‘anti-Semitic attitudes.’

    I find both the ADL and its polls quite amusing. Can you think of another people on this planet who so spend so much time and energy measuring how much they are loved or hated? Do the Brits measure how despised they are in Moldovia? Do the Palestinians question people all over the world to see how much they love those indigenous people of Palestine? Well, the Jews do and it’s for a reason. Abe Foxman, ADL’s National Director, must by now have grasped the immense destructive global power of Jewish politics, so naturally he wants to measure the reaction. But rather than reflecting on the results and then turning to his own people in the hope of re-educating them, Foxman always blames the rest of humanity. And why? Because in the Judeo-centric cosmos, the Jew is always innocent and the Goy is always to blame.

    /..
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2014/05/on-kosher-statistics/

  309. FieldingGray 15 May, 2014 – 2:48 pm

    “Great if you want to send them your bank details in return for $10 billion dollars but not so good if you’re looking for valid academic research…”

    OK, forget the research, I’ll settle for the $10 billion dollars. Where do I send my bank details?

  310. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    15 May, 2014 - 3:33 pm

    Let me repeat Ba’al’s first question: Well, thanks for trying, A Node.

    In that context, Poju Zabludowicz, Cameron’s financial backer for the Tory leadership in 2005, major funder of BICOM and general all-round Israeli good egg*, remarked:

    We have learnt over the last 10 years… that the key to creating a more supportive environment for Israel in Britain is convincing people in this country that Israel seeks a lasting peace… As long as this argument remains credible then people will generally forgive mistakes and difficulties even if peace continues to be elusive’,

    Mind you, as this line becomes more widely recognised, the best bet is to shut up completely. And pile on the emotion as a “regular guy” instead.

    *Not to mention being Liam Fox’s fairy godfather -

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8826133/Adam-Werritty-Liam-Foxs-friend-bankrolled-by-corporate-intelligence-firm-and-Israel-lobbyist.html

    Memories.

  311. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    15 May, 2014 - 3:46 pm

    Pro-Israel activists can use the ‘plain folks’ technique by speaking as a ‘person from the street’ whilst supporting Israel. The ‘average guy in the street’ would happily condemn terrorism in all its forms and support ‘Western ideals’. In the context of a debate on the Middle East, this can easily be equated with support for Israel.

    (The Hasbara Handbook – here: http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf -Page25)

  312. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 4:03 pm

    Honorary Patrons

    Professor David Bellamy OBE
    The Rt Hon Tony Blair
    The Rt Hon Gordon Brown MP
    The Rt Hon Lady Cosgrove CBE
    Rabbi Dr Abraham Levy OBE
    The Prime Minister of Israel
    The President of Israel
    Chief Rabbi Ephraim Mirvis
    Rabbi Lord Sacks
    Lord Weidenfeld
    Rev Malcolm Weisman OBE
    The Rt Hon Lord Howard QC
    HE The Ambassador of Israel Daniel Taub
    General The Lord Guthrie of Craigiebank GCB LVO OBE

    Will they all be there tonight for the £50 a head Livni bash?

    http://www.jnf.co.uk/about-the-jnf/executive-board/

  313. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 4:12 pm

  314. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 May, 2014 - 4:36 pm

    Mary (16h12)

    I thought that Craig recently invited contributors to give links ONLY in support of arguments and comments (I think he said something along the lines of not wanting to see his blog become a rubbish tip for links)?

    Where, then, is your argument/comment, Mary?

    I feel you should respect our host’s requests, lest you too become a mere Insolent Squatter….

  315. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 May, 2014 - 4:44 pm

    From Squonk’s blog

    “Yes Macky I have. Brilliant man.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rovics

    I will listen later as I have to go out. Have been dealing with a new wind up merchant on CM. Remember her coming on to CM all sweetness and light? How she loved CM’s blog or somesuch. I would love to know who employs her. Habbabkuk will carry this back to CM no doubt. All there for a purpose and Livni’s visit has brought Hasbara into action..”
    _____________________

    Happy to follow your advice, Mary.

    I think you should accuse Kelly ben Maimom to her face, don’t you?

  316. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 4:46 pm

    For the attention of the lady who ‘loves Israel’.
    Q If she loves it so much, a suggestion. How about making aliyah to one of the settlements built on stolen Palestinian land?

    Last December, the advocacy group the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI) revealed that Israeli authorities had locked Palestinian children in outdoor cages during a severe winter storm.

    Children describe torture in Israeli solitary confinement.

    Israeli occupation forces try to arrest a Palestinian during a demonstration against the separation wall built in the West Bank village of al-Maasara, 9 November 2012. (Oren Ziv / ActiveStills)

    A rising proportion of Palestinian children arrested by Israeli occupation forces are subjected to solitary confinement, harsh interrogations and ill-treatment amounting to torture, according to a report published today by Defence for Children International-Palestine Section (DCI-Palestine).

    “In 21.4 percent of cases recorded by DCI-Palestine in 2013, children detained in the Israeli military detention system reported undergoing solitary confinement as part of the interrogation process. This represents an increase of two percent from 2012,” a press release accompanying the report states.

    DCI-Palestine collected 98 sworn affidavits from Palestinian children aged 12 to 17 in 2013. The disturbing findings in the report are based on 40 solitary confinement cases documented in 2013.
    /..

    http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2014/05/13/israel-wins-the-torture-the-children-award/

  317. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 4:50 pm

    Sadly there are two fewer Palestinians in the world. Killed by the IDF’s live fire.

    Two Palestinians shot dead by Israeli troops in West Bank
    Clashes erupted near army checkpoint after youths threw stones at Israeli forces on Nakba anniversary
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/15/palestinians-shot-dead-israel-west-bank

  318. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 5:02 pm

    Not only the Palestinians. The Bedouin people are getting the same treatment or worse.

    ‘Since July 2010 the Bedouin village of Al Araqib in the Negev desert has been demolished 68 times, writes Silvia Boarini. Many have fled but those that remain are determined to stand their ground: ‘They can demolish us 100 times, but we’re not going anywhere.”

    http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_analysis/2393602/israels_bedouin_citizens_unrecognized_in_the_negev.html

  319. Kelly, you’re standing in elections is far more than the majority here ever has done, so good on you whatever party political club you prosrtated yourself for.

    I see nothing has happened in the world since the big gay wedding, maybe pop by in two weeks see whether that cheese has rolled down the hill, finally

  320. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 May, 2014 - 6:36 pm

    Mary

    No one on this blog – I hope, at least – enjoys hearing of the mistreatment of children, whether in the West Bank, Nigeria, Pakistan, even in the UK.

    And a question in that context : is it compulsory for Palestinian children/youths (knowing the risks by now) to engage in stone throwing?

  321. doug scorgie

    15 May, 2014 - 7:12 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    15 May, 2014 – 4:36 pm

    “I thought that Craig recently invited contributors to give links ONLY in support of arguments and comments (I think he said something along the lines of not wanting to see his blog become a rubbish tip for links)?”

    I don’t think Craig said that Habbabkuk, have you got a link?

  322. doug scorgie

    15 May, 2014 - 7:20 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    15 May, 2014 – 6:36 pm

    “…is it compulsory for Palestinian children/youths (knowing the risks by now) to engage in stone throwing?”

    So, as expected, no sympathy from you Habbabkuk for the deaths of two Palestinian teenagers

    I wonder what you (and the MSM) would say if two Jewish teenagers were shot dead while throwing stones at Palestinian police officers for example.

  323. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 7:21 pm

    Watching the IDF thugs in action and reading that heartless remark make my blood run cold.

    http://bcove.me/foyr2wcq

    Two Palestinians killed at Nakba Day protest in West Bank
    Two youth killed in violent clashes as thousands mark Nakba Day, 11 injured; Palestinian sources say they were shot by Border Police.
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.590861

  324. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    15 May, 2014 - 9:01 pm

    Russia dong it’s best to destroy Petrodollar. This is the 2nd ‘dump’ of treasuries picked up by a strange entity in Belgium…Poirot?

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/russia-dumps-20-its-treasury-holdings-mystery-belgium-buyer-adds-another-whopping-40

  325. Mary For Truth and Justice

    15 May, 2014 - 9:02 pm

    S/be Watching the IDF thugs in action and reading that heartless remark makes my blood run cold.

    ~~~~

    Doug I think they are all listening to Ms Livni so silence reigns.

  326. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    15 May, 2014 - 9:07 pm

    $200 Billion is nearly half of Belgium’s GDP. I smell a dirty rat.

    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=Belgium+GDP&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

  327. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    15 May, 2014 - 9:09 pm

    Russia ‘dong’ (Freudian slip) should be ‘doing’.

  328. Ben at 9:01 pm. My guess would be that the US is buying petrodollars itself by proxy through Belgium. Who else would buy dead dollars to prop up a bust economy, except perhaps the bust economy to keep confidence in the market. Russia dumping makes it look pretty certain that following the meeting in China next week Russia will announce all petroleum trade in Roubles, as was hinted at yesterday in TASS. Another initiative, which was probably learnt through the Illegal government banks not allowing people in the independent east of Ukraine to withdraw money through cashpoints, is that Russia is developing its own technology in case Visa and Delta stop operating. Everybody should prepare for bad times ahead. It is why, in my opinion, NATO is prosecuting its wars all over the world.

  329. Kelly ben Maimon

    15 May, 2014 - 11:03 pm

    Apologies for not having much interest in this website anymore. And is not because of you Mary, whether you are a computer generated blurb, or multipule personality of another human being. Also, please don’t credit yourself with getting my name, I was open amd honest about who I was from the start. So, this will be my final post. Would have responded back to every question, knowing the kind of person I am.

    A childhood friend of over forty years died unexpectently this evening. Have fond memories of our first encounter fighting in nursery, which pretty much carried on through primary and secondary school. He was a brilliant mathematician, whereas I was thick as two planks, to the extent of getting unclassified! Remember his frustration at trying to get me to imagine numbers, but I just didn’t see it, much to his frustration. At least we watched A Beautiful Mind together and laughed at the memories we shared. One included, a crowd of us going camping in Wales and they sent me to milk the cow. Little did I know it was a bull. They soon heard when I came screaming down the hill with the angry beast in toe. Thankfully, we managed to escape by jumping in a tree. We all sat there for hours, petrified as the car was on the other side of the field.

    On speaking to his wonderful wife, earlier came to the conclusion, that life/time was previous and to use it wisely. Thst is whst he eould want us to do. Made me think about that wonderful young soul who died of bowel cancer, had a bucket list and wanted to raise 10k. His mother posted an inspiring message.

    What I will take from here is comments made by John Goss, Mark Golding and Ian McComb and a few others, who come over as sensible, fair and had the uncanny ability of making me think, to the extent that I will change. And that is because of the clever way they argue their points of view.

    Will follow comments you make on your website John and will get others to take a look. So if you get an influx, it is because some of the good people in London are taking a look. Will ask each person to recommend 10 further individuals. That is one way of growing and engaging. Thanks for your advice.

    Goodnight,
    Kelly Rebekah ben Maimon

  330. Further to Ben’s earlier comment about who is buying up petro-dollars you can really see the difference between confetti money and gold. The US appears to have given that NAZI leader Yatsenyuk confetti-dollars in exchange for gold which was flown out as security it would seem. Although published earlier on Craig’s blog people might be able to put two and two together with this comment from Brian Fujisan on Squonk’s blog.

    https://squonk.tk/blog/2014/04/19/ukraine-russia-the-west-and-what-comes-next/comment-page-2/#comment-7355

  331. Kelly, sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. Your portrayal shows him to have been a helpful soul. I remember when I was learning Russian, not very well, I sought the help, and God did I need it, of a friend whose Russian was superb. i could not get my head round three words which were similar and confused me proizvodstva (production), proizvoditel’nost’ (productivity) and promyshlenost (industry). He taught me by saying proizvodstva had the same number of syllables as production, proizvoditel’nost’ has the same number of syllables as productivity, and proizvodstva is industry. I never forgot though I have forgotten much.

    When you get over the loss please come back. People are not bad on here. We just all get frustrated with our pet topics and slanted opinions and get a bit entrenched. Like Mary I am a supporter of the Palestinian cause but would like to see an integrated Middle East containing people of all religions and political views living amicably together. We are all the same really.

  332. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 May, 2014 - 11:51 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “I wonder what you (and the MSM) would say if two Jewish teenagers were shot dead while throwing stones at Palestinian police officers for example.”
    ______________________

    If the stone-throwing you postulate was not an isolated incident but took place against the background of several years of stone-throwing by bands of Jewish teenagers, then I would say the following : I regret that they were shot by Palestinian police officers, but they would still be alive and with their families if they had had the good sense – knowing the risks – not to engage in stone throwing against police officers.

  333. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    15 May, 2014 - 11:55 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    And just to counter your usual selective quoting, here again is the FIRST part of my comment to Mary:

    “No one on this blog – I hope, at least – enjoys hearing of the mistreatment of children, whether in the West Bank, Nigeria, Pakistan, even in the UK.”

    Do you agree with that, you dishonest scallywag?

  334. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 7:47 am

    Corporate media speaks to power and evil.

    Not

    IDF kill 2 Palestinians and injure protesters on 66th anniversary of Israeli Occupation

    Instead

    Clashes on West Bank as Palestinians remember the founding of Israel (Sky News)

    Not

    USUKIsNATO meet in London to discuss arming rebels and ways to assassinate President Assad

    Instead

    UK’s William Hague attacks Assad’s Syria elections plan (BBC)

    The latter commenced as ”Friends of Syria’ group set for London talks’. On the fourth it had been changed to the one above.
    http://www.newssniffer.co.uk/articles/780483/diff/0/1

    In version 3, you can see how they introduce Kerry’s accusation that ‘chlorine’ is being used as a chemical weapon by Assad. Another unfounded lie as are the ‘barrel bombs’.

  335. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 8:13 am

    Yes very sad when friends die. Condolences. Many of mine have also died.

    Especially harrowing when friends are murdered by evil regimes and there is no possibility of justice being meted out.

    PS Ms ben-Maimon. I have already acknowledged that you were open about your name and affiliations. I hope that the Conservative candidate you proposed/seconded for the Lambeth elections is successful and sorry that you have not been successful in your own quest to be a councillor.

    I am as real as you are. I can laugh and I can also weep real tears.

    Hope Ms Livni’s evening went well for the JNF and followers and that no protesters were killed or injured.

  336. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    16 May, 2014 - 8:46 am

    Both Livni and Abbas met Kerry in London yesterday.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/kerry-to-meet-with-livni-in-london/

    On Wednesday Kerry — who was in London for talks on Syria — stressed to Abbas that the fate of the talks lies in the hands of the Israelis and Palestinians.

    Kerry “reiterated the need for any Palestinian government to recognise Israel, commit to non-violence, and abide by previous agreements,” a US official said in a statement.

    While Abbas met Cameron…

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/kerry-abbas-meet-for-first-time-since-end-of-talks/

    President Abbas outlined his plans for a new, technocratic Palestinian government, committed to the Quartet principles, including non-violence and the recognition of Israel,” a Downing Street spokesman said.

    “He also expressed his readiness to resume peace talks with Israel and his hope that this could be achieved rapidly.”

    Job done. Well done Abbas. Oh. Er…

    But Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Liberman told Israeli lawmakers “the impasse in negotiations with the Palestinians is expected to continue.”…if Avigdor has anything to do with it, and he does.

  337. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    16 May, 2014 - 8:50 am

    Will follow comments you make on your website John and will get others to take a look. So if you get an influx, it is because some of the good people in London are taking a look. Will ask each person to recommend 10 further individuals. That is one way of growing and engaging.

    Expect a lot of zionism, John.

  338. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 9:04 am

    Same old. Same old. More privatisation.
    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/soma-mine-operator-praised-lucrative-cost-reductions-in-previous-interview.aspx?pageID=238&nID=66448&NewsCatID=345

    Harrowing pictures. The people are completely devastated.

    Reduced production costs per ton from $130-140 to $28. Appalling. And the deal between the TKI the state energy producer and Gurkan the privateer is complicated. Safety went out of the window in the process.

    There is something especially searing seeing tough, hard working, blackened men in tears.

    “Oh God that bread should be so dear and flesh and blood so cheap” – again we say.

    How about the Ergodan thug kicking a protester.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27415822

  339. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 9:16 am

    There was a large protest against Livni last night. Several photos, a video and news here.

    https://twitter.com/pscupdates photos and tweets

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX86wvYLvaU

    http://www.demotix.com/news/4747728/israeli-minister-tzipi-livni-meets-large-nakba-day-protest-london#media-4754724 many photos

    Protests against Livni in London: ‘War Criminal’
    Despite enjoying diplomatic immunity in Britain, the minister in charge of now-defunct peace process faced pro-Palestinian demonstration.
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4520418,00.html

  340. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    16 May, 2014 - 9:46 am

    Woohoo! Barking mad article by Canadian diaspora lunatic!

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/its-time-to-end-israels-special-relationship-with-the-u-s/

    Do it. Just do it.

  341. More fraud not referred to the police.

    “Energy giant E.On is to pay a record £12m penalty [which will be recouped anyway] following an investigation into mis-selling [FRAUD] by the industry regulator.”

    “Ofgem has carried out a series of mis-selling investigations, and in December imposed a £3.5m penalty on Npower.”
    “The energy supplier apologised for the “completely unacceptable” failings.”

    The same happened with the banks payment protection “mis-selling”

    The same happens with MPs expenses fraud.

    Then there was the BAE fraud investigation:

    Attorney General Lord Goldsmith said the SFO was “discontinuing” its investigation into Britain’s biggest defence company, BAE Systems.

    The level of fraud, bribery, blackmail and other forms of high-level corruption must be staggering but it’s all swept under the carpet by the so called watchdogs.

  342. Sofia Kibo Noh

    16 May, 2014 - 11:16 am

    Any chance on a hasbarita perspective on the opinions of these Jewish people?

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=59620

    BTW. Kelly. Awesome!

    Seems evidence to me of another unexpected by-product of Nasa hi-tech.

    “Excrescrape” TM.

    For when that barrel’s been well and truly scraped!

    Only “Excrescrape” TM removes those stubborn smears.

    I suggest your employers dispose of the scrapings a bit more hygenically rather than dumping them here.

    http://flaash.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/belgradedogpoo.png

  343. Kelly ben Maimon

    16 May, 2014 - 11:53 am

    Hi John, momentarily came back to cut and paste link, to you website. On route to Reform, near Trafalgar Square to pick up a letter, a friend had written. Hope that you continue to write, as I for one will certainly be following. You’ll see a difference to traffic in about 3/4 weeks time, hopefully. Need time to get over loss of one of my best friends. Who happened to describe himself as a Marxist.

    Respect your views because, you are exceptionally good at articulating. Sincerely hope our paths cross, in the future, as would make an effort to come and listen to you, regardless of political persuasion etc. We have the ability to agree to disagree, unlike some. They would prefer to insult some one by not referring to that individual by name and calling them, now what was it “Zippidy do dah” and not handle it, when it is thrown back. Such is life. Incidentally, we have just finished discussing a buzz word “microaggression” as published in April edition of Time magazine. According to some professor at Columbia University, we are going to be hearing phrase a lot. Probably arriving on our shores soon.

    Mary please don’t feel sorry for me in my quest in not becoming a councillor. More recently, it was a Labour stronghold, but I exercised my democratic right to take part. A few years ago, I was invited to put in an application for submission on to the ill thought out Conservative A List. At informal interview, in my own case, responded that I would prefer to go and stand at the back of the queue and let the others, who had been members of the Party beforehand for years, have a chance first. This was because of the integrity and principles I hold on to, so dearly.

    Demonstration last night in London Mary? I was at St Thomas’ Hospital, with my close friends. An eclectic group at that. 2 are atheists, 1 a devout catholic, another born again Christian, McPherson who would describe himself as a “Scottish Nationalist & staunch Socialist.” Apologies – lied. Did see images on tv screen of Ukraine unrest. Think some people had been murdered there by the Nazi regime. It was a blur as I was not listening to words, having been consumed by grief.

    Over & out for good.

  344. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    16 May, 2014 - 12:07 pm

    and not handle it, when it is thrown back.

    Yeah. So, before you go, how about handling this? For the third time:

    “I’d be interested to know whether you think there is any kind of genuine desire on Israel’s part to achieve a fair settlement with the Palestinians it is so blatantly displacing and marginalising?”

    And your evidence for that conclusion?

  345. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 May, 2014 - 12:32 pm

    Ba’al (12h07)

    Have you really not understood? :)

  346. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 12:33 pm

    If you’re going, go and take the Israhell propaganda and the Hasbara grooming with you.

  347. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    16 May, 2014 - 12:49 pm

    You’ll see a difference to traffic in about 3/4 weeks time, hopefully.

    It’s called a DDOS attack, John. :-) (do check your site’s security).

  348. Kelly ben Maimon

    16 May, 2014 - 12:56 pm

    PS For fuck sake Mary, you really, really need to get out more. Just seen above, as left link open on my iPhone and glanced down. Have never been groomed but with your conspiracy theory mind set block is never going to accept that. When I get home intend to throw Craig Murray’s book in the bin, as he clearly entertains obnoxious characters like you! And btw STILL love Israel. Will delete all trace to this website NOW!

  349. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    16 May, 2014 - 1:00 pm

    Sofia:

    Glad to see you’re not fooled, anyway. Your comment reminded me of a forum I used to frequent, one of whose regulars had a sick, bitter and twisted sense of humour, which it took me years to fully appreciate – my own proudly SB&TSOH doesn’t come near his. New arrivals greasily introducing themselves to the locals would be received by his simple welcome: ‘Fuck off.’ This (with imaginative and offputting embellishments) later became traditional on the forum. And not a bad principle. I submit it for general consideration.

  350. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    16 May, 2014 - 3:09 pm

    Marcy Wheeler has bowed out of the The Intercept. I thought she would. Taibbi? What’s happenin’ dood?

    http://www.emptywheel.net/2014/05/16/announcement/

  351. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 4:07 pm

    Kelly Please stop addressing me. I do not want to hear from you. Instead should you not be at home mourning the death of your friend or canvassing for the Tory you proposed and seconded in Lambeth.

    Also please do not throw Craig’s book away. Give it to a student. There is a lot of information within which young people need to be made aware of.

    ~~~

    Ba’al. Too right about DDOS. A friend of mine who was going on a Free Gaza voyage had the hard drive wrecked on his computer. All the passengers including women featured on some American website belonging to a Israel First loon who was advocating their deaths with photos and details. Absolutely vile. Some years ago and we are wise to the stuff now.

  352. If Kelly was Hasbara, she won.
    She made supportive comments about Israel, then was provided with an excuse (a wall of aggression) to leave without defending them.

    If Kelly was not Hasbara, we lost.
    We had an opportunity to explore the mindset of a defender of the indefensible and we didn’t take it.

  353. Mary For Truth and Justice

    16 May, 2014 - 6:48 pm

    By now and after many years of experience, I know enough about the mindsets of the defenders of Israel to be going along with. Sorry A Node.

  354. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 May, 2014 - 11:52 pm

    Mary

    “Kelly Please stop addressing me. I do not want to hear from you.”
    __________________

    Not your blog, Mary dear, and it’s a free country, so as far as I can see she’s as entitled to address you as you are to comment on here.

    If you’re trying to take over from Mr Goss as the Insolent Squatter, you’re making a good job of it.

  355. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    16 May, 2014 - 11:54 pm

    Mary

    I’ve noticed you always round on people who’ve ticked you off.

    You must develop a thicker skin, remembering that you’re not the owner of the blog but merely a guest like the rest of us.

    You’d agree with that, wouldn’t you?

    *******************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  356. Mary For Truth and Justice

    17 May, 2014 - 7:56 am

    I do not like being addressed as ‘dear’ by anyone, especially by people I don’t know. I wasn’t aware that anyone had ‘ticked me off’. That is up to Craig and/or the mods.

  357. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 May, 2014 - 8:23 am

    A Node. 6 20pm

    I’ve been thinking about Kelly. I had to because your posts are always worth considering.

    Was she authentic and treated badly? Or was she just another hasbara fiction and quickly recognised?

    Of course I can’t be sure, but I’ve read through her posts again and, if I was a betting person I’d confidently put my tenner on the hasbara explanation.

    We’ve had over sixty years of opportunities to explore that mindset and over a year’s experience of “public diplomacy” at work here. If we don’t know it by now….

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/07/10/the-israel-projects-secret-hasbara-handbook-exposed/

    Anyway, if I am wrong, she has my apology and I would love for her to explain clearly and rationally why the current state of Israel is worthy of our support.

    Otherwise I’ll stick with Ba’al’s wise suggestion (1 00pm), complete with “imaginative and offputting embellishments”. :-)

    Just who are we dealing with? http://richards10.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/mysh-a-problem-of-self-image.jpg

  358. Sofia Kibo Noh

    17 May, 2014 - 8:29 am

    While I was worrying about fairness to Kelly thank goodness there were Jewish people concerning themselves with fairness to Palestinians.

    http://jfjfp.com/?p=59730

  359. Identity Crisis: The Israeli ID system and the segregation of Israel/Palestine

    The Nakba, which refers to the ethnic cleansing of over 50% of the Palestinian population, was a defining moment of the long and ongoing history of forced displacement and separation of the Palestinian people that began with the events leading up to the creation of the State of Israel on May 15, 1948.

    Today, 66 years after this date, the fragmentation of the Palestinian people both inside and outside of historic Palestine remains as concrete as ever.

    This infographic represents each population group falling under de-facto Israeli sovereignty today. It deconstructs how different groups of Israelis and Palestinians experience segregation based on an Israeli-controlled system of colored ID cards. The graphic is based on data from UN agencies, and from Israeli and Palestinian government sources and NGOs.

    The issue of prolonged Israeli sovereignty over Palestinians is also pertinent in light of growing talk among prominent Israeli politicians such as Naftali Bennet of permanently and unilaterally annexing large portions of the occupied Palestinian territory, and by Avigdor Lieberman of de-nationalising some Palestinian citizens of Israel. A recent Associated Press article discusses how a shifting demographic balance and continuing de-facto Israeli control over the Palestinian population weigh heavy in Israel’s calculations.

    /..

    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/05/identity-segregation-israelpalestine.html

    The infographic
    http://f8wee1vvia32pdxo527grujy61.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/VP-ID-OpChart-FINAL-EN-20140515.png

  360. I heard this on the World Service earlier. Worth listening to for some truths. John Laurenson deconstructs the myth that Muslims are driving out Christians.

    ‘Christians in the Holy Land – Bagpipes in Bethlehem
    Heart and Soul, Christians in the Holy Land Episode 1 of 2

    Duration: 29 minutes
    First broadcast:Saturday 17 May 2014
    Pope Francis will make a highly symbolic trip to the Holy Land, meeting his Orthodox counterpart, having talks with the Israeli prime minister as well as the Palestinian president. He will also say mass in Manger Square in Bethlehem, as the birth place of Jesus, the most significant place for Christians around the world.

    In the first of this two-part documentary, John Laurenson travels to Bethlehem, the birthplace of Christ, to explore why this once overwhelmingly Christian place is losing Christians in droves. It seems like the place where it all began looks more like a place where it’s al coming to an end. The Christians now represent less than 15% of the population. John explores the reasons for the exodus.

    In the fields where the Angel Gabriel is said to have told the shepherds about the birth of Christ, a Christian returnee picks wild peas and wild barley and tells John about the land, her family in LA and how a foraging expedition with a 10 year-old nephew ended with Israeli tear-gas. The spokesman for the Israeli PM says Christians are leaving because of the Muslims, but they say there is little tension between the two faiths there.

    John also hears from Bethlehem’s bagpipers as they prepare to honour a tradition that goes back to the British mandate – to parade with pipes and drums in Jerusalem on Palm Sunday.’

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01yvy2r

  361. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 May, 2014 - 10:26 am

    Mary

    “I do not like being addressed as ‘dear’ by anyone, especially by people I don’t know. I wasn’t aware that anyone had ‘ticked me off’. That is up to Craig and/or the mods.”
    ___________________

    Well, Craig HAS in fact ticked you off recently, but what I was pointing out was that you get quite upset and aggressive-defensive not only towards those you choose to call trolls but also towards other commenters who tick you off. Examples are : DREOILIN, KELLY…

    But anyway, this blog is bigger than any individual – you’d agree with that, wouldn’t you?

  362. Sofia Kibo Noh 17 May, 2014 – 8:23 am

    “Was she authentic and treated badly? Or was she just another hasbara fiction and quickly recognised?”

    I don’t know. I don’t think she was a hasbara fiction. She gave her real name. Could still be hasbara. Or just genuine – I’m sure you’ve seen the film ‘Defamation’.

    Badly treated? She must’ve expected that reaction to the words “I love Israel” so I don’t suppose she was upset by it. Nonetheless, she adopted a tone of polite reasonableness, which I believe is best answered with polite reasonableness – a common courtesy if she’s genuine and a good debating tactic if she’s not (don’t let your opponent gain the moral high ground).

    All of which is besides the point for me. Hasabara or not, if they’re prepared to defend their position, let them. An examination of Israel’s actions can only expose it for what it is – genocide. That the confirmation comes from the ‘mouth’ of an Israel-supporter will be all the more convincing for any undecided onlookers. So let them try to defend the indefensible – they can only harm their cause. For us it’s like shooting fish in a barrel with the added bonus that if the hasbara is any good, they might expose some flawed assumptions in our own thinking.

    We can learn more from an argument than a lecture.

  363. P.S. Ta. Same to you with brass knobs on :)

  364. From: Justice for Palestine Matters <humanrights@……
    Subject: Letter to POPE FRANCIS NOT TO LAY WREATH ON HERZL'S TOMB in Palestine
    Date: 17 May 2014 9:40:17 AM AEST
    To: Vatican Vatican <service@…..

    Dear Pope Francis

    I am shocked, profoundly shocked, to read in a Sydney newspaper that …

    "He will not celebrate a public Mass in the country, but in a first for a visiting pontiff, he will lay flowers at the tomb of Theodor Herzl, the founder of the global Zionist movement."

    Zionism is the movement to take over the WHOLE of historic Palestine for the Israeli people.

    Your gesture will be a shameful act of normalising the illegal brutal occupation, the illegal theft of Palestinian land with the expansion of the illegal settlements.

    What about your Papal moral and religious responsibility to the Suffering Christ in the evicted Palestinians who weep on the rubble of their demolished homes, farms, uprooted olive groves and livelihoods,
    to the Suffering Christ in the ethnic cleansed Palestinian refugees refused their inalienable right of return by Israel, and to the Suffering Christ in the Palestinian families mourning their murdered martyred children, fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters..now buried in their martyred homeland ????

    You could not do anything worse that this heinous flower-laying except ride in an Israeli Merkava tank and blast the hopes for Palestinian justice.

    Please renounce this unworthy act of honouring Herzl.

    Sincerely

    Dr Vacy Vlazna
    Sydney, Australia

  365. I wasn’t aware that Craig had ticked me off??? He has thanked me for some links on the Scottish referendum thread and before that asked if I would use my forensic digging power on Acanchi. He did not want isolated links to articles on his Ukraine piece if that is what is being referred to. Stop stirring and disappear. Are there no tales from Squonk to be carried? I will not comment on other posters in spite of the enticement.

    Do not be taken in by the sweet reasonableness of Kelly and then her departure causing feelings of guilt that she was possibly given a hard time. I have seen it all before and am not taken in. I think about what is happening to the Palestinians every day.

    Read about The Israel Project. Sofia linked to another piece pn it earlier.
    http://othersite.org/stuart-littlewood-israel%C2%B4s-professional-liars/

  366. doug scorgie

    17 May, 2014 - 1:49 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    15 May, 2014 – 11:55 pm

    “Mr Scorgie”
    “And just to counter your usual selective quoting, here again is the FIRST part of my comment to Mary:”

    “No one on this blog – I hope, at least – enjoys hearing of the mistreatment of children, whether in the West Bank, Nigeria, Pakistan, even in the UK.”

    “Do you agree with that, you dishonest scallywag?”

    No I don’t agree Habbabkuk. I quoted the relevant part of your post which effectively said (of the Palestinian deaths) that it was their own fault.

    Also I referenced your post for others to look back if they wished:
    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    15 May, 2014 – 6:36 pm

  367. doug scorgie

    17 May, 2014 - 2:12 pm

    Mary For Truth and Justice
    16 May, 2014 – 9:16 am

    “There was a large protest against Livni last night.”

    Yes Mary it looked like a pretty large event judging by the photographs but I can’t find reference to it in the British media not even in the Guardian.

    Our news is being censored by omission.

  368. How the poster @ 10.26am has the nerve to still be here on Craig’s blog I really don’t know. Having done his/her best (we still know nothing about the person other than Habbabkuk is the name of a Hebrew prophet) to bring the blog down in Craig’s absences, he/she possesses no right to comment. Nothing is contributed except for snide remarks and insults.

    I was also persecuted for a long time which is difficult to forget and to forgive. Why was that I wonder? Perhaps because most of my posts are about Palestine.

    I was mulling this over whilst pulling up weeds. Quite therapeutic except it is very hot and humid.

  369. doug scorgie

    17 May, 2014 - 2:43 pm

    Kelly ben Maimon
    16 May, 2014 – 12:56 pm

    “PS For fuck sake Mary, you really, really need to get out more. Just seen above, as left link open on my iPhone and glanced down. Have never been groomed but with your conspiracy theory mind set block is never going to accept that. When I get home intend to throw Craig Murray’s book in the bin, as he clearly entertains obnoxious characters like you! And btw STILL love Israel. Will delete all trace to this website NOW!”

    Go away silly cow

  370. I thought she was back! I wish you had not repeated it Doug.

    I never said that she was groomed btw. She got that wrong. It’s Hasbara who try to groom us.

  371. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 May, 2014 - 5:56 pm

    Doug Scorgie

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    15 May, 2014 – 11:55 pm

    Me to you:

    “No one on this blog – I hope, at least – enjoys hearing of the mistreatment of children, whether in the West Bank, Nigeria, Pakistan, even in the UK.”

    “Do you agree with that, you dishonest scallywag?”

    And your reply :

    “No I don’t agree Habbabkuk”
    ____________

    So you do enjoy hearing about the mistreatment of children.

    Thanks for that clarification.

  372. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 May, 2014 - 6:02 pm

    Mary

    “How the poster @ 10.26am has the nerve to still be here on Craig’s blog I really don’t know. Having done his/her best (we still know nothing about the person other than Habbabkuk is the name of a Hebrew prophet) to bring the blog down in Craig’s absences, he/she possesses no right to comment”
    _________________

    Calm down, dear, and remember that you are not – repeat not – the owner of this blog but a mere invitee like everyone else.

    You are therefore not qualified to judge anyone’s “right” to comment here.

    Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

  373. A slippery evasion of an answer.

  374. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 May, 2014 - 6:56 pm

    “From: Justice for Palestine Matters <humanrights@……
    Subject: Letter to POPE FRANCIS NOT TO LAY WREATH ON HERZL'S TOMB in Palestine
    Date: 17 May 2014 9:40:17 AM AEST
    To: Vatican Vatican <service@…..

    Dear Pope Francis

    I am shocked, profoundly shocked, to read in a Sydney newspaper that …

    etc etc, etc

    ___________

    I sincerely hope that the Holy Father will give that letter the attention it merits – ie, none at all.

    Dr Vacy Vlazna is not even an ordinary, concerned member of the public; she is a militant in the Palestinian cause. As entitled, of course, to write such an overblown and vexatious letter as the Holy Father is to ignore it.

    ******************

  375. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 May, 2014 - 7:38 pm

    Doug Scorgie

    “There was a large protest against Livni last night.”

    Yes Mary it looked like a pretty large event judging by the photographs but I can’t find reference to it in the British media not even in the Guardian.”
    ___________________

    Your observation only makes sense if you believe that every demonstration against a visiting Israeli politician is newsworthy.

    Is that your belief, Doug, and if so, could you explain why?

  376. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    17 May, 2014 - 7:43 pm

    Mary

    “A slippery evasion of an answer.”
    __________________

    Well, for starters, it was a response to a comment of yours, not an answer to a question .

    And why “evasive”? Do you think you’re the blog owner or that you have greater rights on here than anyone else?

    A simple “yes” or “no” would do, Mary.

  377. ‘Dr. Vacy Vlazna is an Australian humanitarian scholar and activist and Coordinator of Justice for Palestine Matters. She was Human Rights Advisor to the GAM team in the second round of the Acheh peace talks, Helsinki, February 2005 then withdrew on principle. Vacy was coordinator of the East Timor Justice Lobby as well as serving in East Timor with UNAMET and UNTAET from 1999-2001.’

    She has made a far greater to the human condition than some we know of.

    It shows in her expression. Shines.

    http://arabnyheter.info/sv/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/DR-.-Vacy.jpg

  378. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    17 May, 2014 – 6:56 pm

    “Dr Vacy Vlazna is not even an ordinary, concerned member of the public; she is a militant in the Palestinian cause. As entitled, of course, to write such an overblown and vexatious letter as the Holy Father is to ignore it.”

    Why do you deny being a Zionist when you obviously are Habbabkuk?

    I have read the letter and I agree with it in its entirety. There is nothing “overblown and vexatious” about it.

    “Dr Vacy Vlazna is not even an ordinary, concerned member of the public…”

    How do you know that Habbabkuk?

    “…she is a militant in the Palestinian cause”

    How do you work that out? She is a human rights activist.

    Perhaps you think Dr Vlazna is anti-Semitic.

    Her letter:

    http://www.intifada-palestine.com/2014/05/letter-pope-francis-lay-wreath-herzls-tomb-palestine/

  379. Sofia Kibo Noh

    18 May, 2014 - 11:24 am

    Doug.

    Thanks for being so kind to Dad.

    Now that “Habbabreak ( “IT REALLY WORKS!!” ) has left the poor man arguing mainly with the household appliances*, it’s touching to see someone with patience and compassion enough to engage with his fantasies.

    An interesting perspective here from Rabbi Brant Rosen, “…Yom Ha’atzmaut should much more appropriately be observed by Jews as a day of reckoning rather than a day of unmitigated celebration.”

    More at, http://rabbibrant.com/

    *I thought the toaster made a good point about how when we see something wrong and take no action we become complicit. That got the old fool really choking on his toast.

  380. Sofia Kibo Noh

    18 May, 2014 - 11:34 am

    Correction: ”

    Mod. How about giving us an edit button, please?

  381. Murnaghan looked utterly gormless when interviewing Carney. Blinking, tongue tied and looked uncomfortable. Totally different to how he comes over in the Sky News studio.

    I suppose the reason was that he felt he was in the presence of a deity. Pathetic. Yet another of these servants to power.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1263732/carney-house-prices-biggest-risk-to-economy

  382. The situation in Serbia, Bosnia Herzegovina and Croatia is tragic. The worst floods on record and in early Summer too.

    Record Balkan floods: Over 20 killed, tens of thousands forced to flee (PHOTOS)
    http://rt.com/news/159612-serbia-bosnia-flood-killed/

    We do not appear to be helping whereas Russia is.

  383. Ba'al Zevul (Demoniser)

    19 May, 2014 - 10:20 am

    A_Node -
    I don’t think anyone really “won”. Nobody does on t’internet, do they? My impression was that Kelly, despite a name reminiscent of Maimonides’, wasn’t pushing Israel as an issue. I had the impression she was grooming possible support here – notably JG and possibly Mary (initially!) But when she told us of her love for the place, both Guano and I picked up on it. Politely. She declined to engage. Elsewhere she demonstrated that she was no starry-eyed innocent of the web’s cut-and-thrust.

    As far as I could see she was exactly what she claimed to be – very high-profile local politician wannabe whose professed concern for the poorly-housed must make her lots of friends at Conservative Central Office. (Her partner/brother is a lot less transparent). I think if she had continued she would have made friends with a few of the commenters – the ones for whom emotion beats reason – and gently subverted them. One at a time. Didn’t work.

  384. Ba’al Zevul (Demoniser) 19 May, 2014 – 10:20 am

    “A_Node -
    I don’t think anyone really “won”.”

    Agreed. I sacrificed clarity for brevity. I explained it better in a later post (17 May, 2014 – 11:58 am ) ….

    “Hasabara or not, if they’re prepared to defend their position, let them. An examination of Israel’s actions can only expose it for what it is – genocide. That the confirmation comes from the ‘mouth’ of an Israel-supporter will be all the more convincing for any undecided onlookers. So let them try to defend the indefensible – they can only harm their cause. For us it’s like shooting fish in a barrel with the added bonus that if the hasbara is any good, they might expose some flawed assumptions in our own thinking.”

    …. of which the final point is the most important to me. I’d much rather follow a good argument on this blog than do my own fact-checking research. Let Resident Dissident and Kempe (for example) do the spadework – challenge facts, smear sources, question motives, propose alternative explanations, etc. They’re too wily to debate the morality of Israel’s actions so they try to discredit the information flow which proves it to be genocide. Good. There’s misinformation on both sides of the argument. Thanks for being my bullshit filter, lads.

    It therefore follows that I regard everyone who’s prepared to discuss issues as an asset to this blog. Since I especially value debate, those who challenge the majority view here are the most valuable! The better their challenge the more I value them! I don’t have to like them.

    It further follows that I’d rather have 10 Kellys than 1 Habbabkuk.

  385. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 May, 2014 - 3:31 pm

    A-Node

    “It further follows that I’d rather have 10 Kellys than 1 Habbabkuk.”
    ___________________

    It doesn’t follow at all, actually, but never mind.

    The “dissenters” (for want of a longer definition) on this blog can generally be counted on the fingers of one hand. What is less obvious, however, is that the “other regulars” (the “like-minded community” as someone once called them) are not that much more numerous; I should put the number at something like 15 at most.

    So the impressive 10-1 ratio quoted by A-Node – which certainly reflects the noise level on this blog – is reduced after simple analysis to a much more manageable 3 or 4 to 1.

    ********************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  386. … correction, 20 Kellys

  387. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    19 May, 2014 - 6:50 pm

    A_Node

    I agree – a 5 to 1 ratio accords even better with the noise, idle chatter and nonsense level. :)

    *************

    Are you a real Node or just a Useless Ganglion?

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