The mainstream media for the most part has moved on. But there are a few more gleanings to be had, of perhaps the most interesting comes from the Daily Mirror, which labels al-Hilli an extremist on the grounds that he was against the war in Iraq, disapproved of the behaviour of Israel and had doubts over 9/11 – which makes a great deal of the population “extremist”. But the Mirror has the only mainstream mention I can find of the possibility that Mossad carried out the killings. Given Mr al-Hilli’s profession, the fact he is a Shia, the fact he had visited Iran, and the fact that Israel heas been assassinating scientists connected to Iran’s nuclear programme, this has to be a possibility. There are of course other possibilities, but to ignore that one is ludicrous.
Which leads me to the argument of Daily Mail crime reporter, Stephen Wright, that the French police should concentrate on the idea that this was a killing by a random Alpine madman or racist bigot. Perfectly possible, of course, and the anti-Muslim killings in Marseille might be as much a precedent as Mossad killings of scientists. But why the lone madman idea should be the preferred investigation, Mr Wright does not explain. What I did find interesting from a man who has visited many crime scenes are his repeated insinuations that the French authorities are not really trying very hard to find who the killers were, for example:
the crime scene would have been sealed off for a minimum of seven to ten days, to allow detailed forensic searches for DNA, fibres, tyre marks and shoe prints to take place.
Nearby bushes and vegetation would have been searched for any discarded food and cigarette butts left by the killer, not to mention the murder weapon.
But from what I saw at the end of last week, no such searches had taken place and potentially vital evidence could have been missed. House to house inquiries in the local area had yet to be completed and police had not made specific public appeals for information about the crime. No reward had been put up for information about the shootings.
Behind the scenes, what other short cuts have been taken? Have police seized data identifying all mobile phones being used in the vicinity of the murders that day?
The idea that the French authorities – who are quite as capable as any other of solving cases – are not really trying very hard is an interesting one.
Which leads me to this part of a remarkable article from the Daily Telegraph, which if true points us back towards a hit squad and discounts the ides that there was only one gun:
Claims that only one gun was used to kill everybody is likely to be disproved by full ballistics test results which are out in October.
While the 25 spent bullet cartridges found at the scene are all of the same kind, they could in fact have come from a number of weapons of the same make.
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
Both children were left alive by the killers, who had clinically pumped bullets into everybody else, including five into Mr Mollier.
Zainab was found staggering around outside the car by Brett Martin, a British former RAF serviceman who cycled by moments after the attack, but he saw nobody except the schoolgirl.
Her sister, Zeena, was found unscathed and hiding in the car eight hours later.
Both sisters are now back in Britain, and are believed to have been reunited at a secret location near London.
There are of course a number of hit squad options, both governmental and private, which might well involve iraqi or Iranian interests – on both of which the mainstream media have been very happy to speculate while almost unanimously ignoring Israel.
But what interests me is why the Daily Telegraph choose, in the face of all the evidence, to minimise the horrific nature of the attack by stating that “Both children were left alive by the killers”? Zainab was not left alive by design, she was shot in the chest and her skull was stove in, which presumably was a pretty serious attempt to kill a seven year-old child. The other girl might very well have succeeded in hiding from the killers under her mother’s skirts, as she hid from the first rescuers, and then for eight hours from the police.
The Telegraph article claims to be informed by sources close to the investigation. So they believe it was a group of people, and feel motivated to absolve those people from child-killing. Now what could the Daily Telegraph be thinking?
We’ve got intruders again I see.
“Do you have any points or suggestions ?”
YES ! P*** O** ya Russian git !
Here’s a list of all french departement numbers
http://www.bonjourlafrance.com/france-departments/
you should see that number on the plate of the car.
peter, my research will continue. It would be helpful, however, if you could put those links that you apparently mentioned on this website in that regards, too, so that we are able to share those links with you. You mention links that you have seen but you won’t share those links here.
🙂 Laser pointers are said to be a danger to pilots, who are at the controls of planes. This is why it is taken so seriously, punishable by law, etc. Pilots fly planes, when they’re not on autopilot, FADEC or UAVs.
On another topic, this EADS ATV came down recently in the ocean. The date is unknown, as it is not given:
http://www.astrium.eads.net/en/news2/atv-3-%E2%80%98edoardo-amaldi-mission-successfully-completed-.html
Ring any bells?
About Eduardo Amaldi and his CERN connections:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edoardo_Amaldi
@ Bluebird
peter, my research will continue. It would be helpful, however, if you could put those links that you apparently mentioned on this website in that regards, too, so that we are able to share those links with you.
Point taken. You’re just another armchair bandit who is too timid to even ring a *dead man* (according to your account).
“Dave,yes,but as he hated Americans [ and probably us ] this could be his way of fighting back by helping Iran go nuclear & a smack in the face for the Yanks & Israel ?”
I expect he just thought a million euros would look nice in his swiss bank account.
@Q
It is seriously not a “massive” problem.
Let’s arrest “birds”. Now there’s a problem I am scared of on T/O.
Someone that has “aimed” a laser must mean the aircraft is on “mins”, therefore an “airfield” issue.
It cannot be be classed as “terrorism”.
Again…KAtie, with “odd” “The Sun” stories (and no AAIB reports of comment) takes this topic from “evidenced based” to “pure hearsay”.
YET AGAIN !
What colour pants was Al Hilli wearing. Maybe that’s why the killer shot him !!!! Arhggg !
Dopey, Peter, Ferret, Bluebird
Are you there !!
Yep I’m here. Just lurking and reading as I haven’t got anything worthwhile to say lol
That “4×4” accident…looks odd.
Which ever way you cut it.
It just happens to be the very same car and colour the French police are looking for.
Lets get “pros for” and “cons against”
Next, lets look at “Princes Gate”.
Ferre can write that.
But we have enough to go on here to make same progress I think.
Right…Dopey.
Have you got a “Co Search” like Ferret and I have ?
Tsk, tsk, James. I didn’t say “massive”, nor did I use the T-word, unless you mean Taser. Here’s an example of a Taser-like weapon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolaser
I would like to hear more about that Taser found in SAH’s home, according to reports. Why would an SSTL employee have one? Is this standard issue for EADS-owned subsidiaries? Is there a photograph of the Taser?
Perhaps SAH was studying lightning.
A Co Search? eh?
And I agree. The car accident is looking very suss to me.
@ Q
I would like to hear more about that Taser found in SAH’s home, according to reports. Why would an SSTL employee have one?
………………….
Some people keep a baseball bat in the wardrobe…or a rounders bat (my mum’s “weapon” of choice) …or a golf club (mine). Saad went for a stun gun. James Bond theories about it may be right but with no reports of its super power capabilities I’m just going with the simplest answer- he had it for protection.
This was a very frightened, bulletproof vest wearing man. The stun gun doesn;t surprise me.
Car “crash” looks odd Dopey.
Why, because it’s the “same car” to a “T” the police are looking for.
Can anyone “pin point” the scene of the crash ?
There is some dispute “who” it was in the car…but that can be looked at properly with debate (Bluebird and Peter are getting in an arguement !)
Its ok Im going to save this thread tomorrow!!!
Ricki, I hope you did a wonderwoman twirl when you posted that 😉
Dopey..
The taser is prob his.
That’s a worry. That’s ten years in the UK.
Clearly he was “LOreal” (worth it !).
I t would seem that he has dealt with “more than his bro” here.
Ricki…
Do it NOW !
Ricki…
Have you got Co Search ?
James
I’m not surprised about the taser. I AM surprised it wasn’t a proper gun.
Dopey…
Well “we only heard” about the taser !
Who knows !
Not saying there was more…but the Logistics Corp don’t just deal with “weedkiller” and fuses !
“I meant that seriously… excellent work both James and Bluebird, truly headline news in this case”
That’s Ferret today.
I have found a link. He has seen it (well some of it).
Now a car “rolling down a hill” !
Think what Ferret said the other day Dopey ?
Get reading James, for a pilot you seem blissfully unaware of the problem. All you had to do was Google.
PowerPoint version available: A set of slides, presented to the SAE G10 aviation safety committee on Jan. 31, 2012, is available on the Files and Downloads page.
Yearly Comparison
Here are the number of incidents reported to FAA in recent years:
2011: 3,591 incidents (9.8 per night)
2010: 2,836 incidents (7.7 per night)
2009: 1,527 incidents (4.2 per night)
2008: 949 incidents (2.6 per night)
2007: 639 incidents (1.8 per night)
2006: 384 incidents (1.1 per night)
2005: 283 incidents (0.78 per night)
2004: 46 incidents (0.13 per night) involving an unknown number of aircraft Note: FAA mandated that pilots report incidents using Advisory Circular 70-2, beginning January 19 2005. Before this date, pilot reporting was voluntary.
This is a total of approximately 10,201 incidents reported to FAA, from 2004 through the end of 2011.
Adverse Effects
In 55 of the 3,591 laser/aircraft incidents (1.5%), a pilot or aircraft occupant reported a temporary adverse visual effect such as flashblindness, afterimage, blurry vision, eye irritation and/or headache. None of these effects was classified as a recordable injury by FAA medical experts.
In these 55 incidents…
… there were 31 reports of pain or discomfort in the eyes or elsewhere (e.g., headache).
… there were 31 reports of vision impairment such as afterimages (10) and blurry vision (7).
… seven persons sought medical treatment after the laser exposure.
… one person was grounded temporarily.
… three flights were affected: in two cases, the pilot turned control over to the co-pilot; in one case the pilot felt he had to land immediately.
http://www.laserpointersafety.com/news/news/other-news_files/76b9d278e1a00ab36eea51cff1c5cab1-244.php
@James
Back online now… with new avatar. Woo hoo.
😀
@James
Now a car “rolling down a hill” !
Yeah, the wheels are falling off the official story!!!
😀
@Katie
So… no injuries. No crashes. What’s your point?
Katie..
That is not AAIB..try “Bird Ingestion”
Lets kill the birds
Ferretttttt !
Right. Here we go
I was reading the others “arguement” (Bluebird and Peter).
If one or the other proves one thing….then we are ahead.
Did you check my post ?
It’s tooooo far back now, but if you use due diligence you’ll see.
Sometime Questions Unique…never get answered !
Ferret…wheels don’t belong to that car !
I had a LWB once…and the SWB…had the same wheels !
But anyway…Bluebird will sort that.
Check out the accountants !
You found the “older chap” ?