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Dreoilin, if so it escaped me and i stand corrected.
Still the point about the google search remains embarrassing, i hope you agree?
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/07/12/tsar-j12.html
“The FBI has detained and is currently preparing to deport Todashev’s roommate Tatiana Gruzdeva, a fact that has been buried by the US media, including the Times. Civil liberties groups believe Gruzdeva has valuable knowledge regarding Todashev’s interactions with the FBI. Hassan Shibly of the Counicl on American-Islamic Relations told the World Socialist Web Site that the moves against Gruzdeva have been made to prevent her from speaking publicly about the case. “There is a lot of mystery around the detention,” Shibly said. “There appears to be some sort of cover-up going on.””
Ya think?
Cryptonym, FedUp, Passerby, Arsalan…
Ah, what would Ibn Rushd have said? Perhaps he would’ve rolled in his grace. Perhaps he would’ve laughed. But he most certainly is in his grave.
https://twitter.com/CuteOverloads/status/355442708065710080
Ben,
There’s something happening here
What it is ain’t exactly clear
Stop children whats that sound
everybody look what going round
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyaVCJPNLHc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zooMAIkf138
I don’t wish to impugn Resident Dissident, but he does seem to float in and out according to convenience. Once the bun he’s toasted is ready for the butter, he declines to partake. I have noticed this several times now.
Dreoilin btw try making an Eton mess with creme fraiche instead of cream. I am conditioned to become aware that the name Eton doesn’t go down very well here but its a good deviation. 🙂
Not much has changed since ’65, Villager.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCrnpJTJiuU
Villager, I wasn’t “scathing of (possible) human error.” In fact I said very early on that pilots were no more infallible than bus or taxi drivers. Maybe one or more of them (pilots) did something that helped to save those ~300 lives. We’ll probably have to wait a good while to hear the results of all investigations.
I did find it very distressing that one of those teenage girls was run over by an emergency vehicle when she was covered in flame-retardant foam. But it seems they don’t know if she was alive before that happened.
I’m going to google Z_F now.
“Dreoilin btw try making an Eton mess with creme fraiche instead of cream.”
I wouldn’t know where to start! 🙂
Herbie
Who, what, why, means, motive, opportunity – the usual questions. Please do not rehash the usual conspiracist responses. Perhaps I could also ask the question why you take such an arrogant position to assume that everyone either shares your world view, is stupid or a liar?
Flaming June
I know you like to attach labels to everyone and play the guilt by association game – but that doesn’t mean that the arguments they raise have no validity whatsoever or just go away – and your thinking that they do really is just comical. I have made it clear many times that my dissidence is against the prevailing current on this blog.
Ben
No one shares my views exactly (this is allowed and accepted in democracies) – and I very much doubt that I would agree 100% with any politician – but if you look at those countries with social democrats in power (parties belonging to the Socialist International) past and present – they are the politicians with whom I would agree more than I disagree. My political heroes would include the likes of Clem Attlee, Nye Bevan, George Orwell, Christopher Hitchens (cue involuntary gagging from Mary)and J M Keynes – and I regularly read the Guardian and New Statesman.
I doubt that from his current public utterances that Snowden has done much damage to the US – although who knows what the KGB have got out of him since he misguidely went to Moscow. I have already made the point that the authoritarians in Western governments need to be stood up to and examined – and I also note that unlike in other parts of the World being a whistleblower does not usually amount to a death sentence.
Jon
Many thanks – don’t worry despite the latest rant I know we have some pretty deep political differences and are not yet ready to be signed up as a member of the zfw club.
Truly, Ben. But thats whuy i go on banging about human consciousness, how murky it is, but therein lies a key. If only we could each understand the key is in our hands but we keep trying it on the wrong Door.
The only encouraging spot is i do meet some 30 +/- 3 young folk who seem to be onto something. I reckon the tipping point to change could be lower than we estimate but provided we’re turning the right keys.
Stay well and good luck!
Dreoilin wasn’t referring to you at all re the scathing — you’ve forgotten comparisons with S korean World Bank presidents etc?! Probably best forgotten though an apology even for unwitting error would’ve been long remembered.
Re the Eton mess just add or even crumble in meringue — M&S will do. Use the light creme fraiche.
New studies: ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane; government dupes crazy, hostile.
Recent studies by psychologists and social scientists in the US and UK suggest that contrary to mainstream media stereotypes, those labeled “conspiracy theorists” appear to be saner than those who accept the official versions of contested events.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/07/14/whatabout7/
“you’ve forgotten comparisons with S korean World Bank presidents etc?!”
Oh, no … I haven’t. I follow you now.
I’ll look up Eton mess online. (If I make one and eat some of it will my accent change?)
🙂
Now seems GCHQ is part of the Peace Prize laureate’s global assassination programme. How a phone call can get you killed: http://is.gd/5MTEIk
Here’s a petition: http://is.gd/hzA2Fo
Resident; Thanks for responding. I don’t care for ‘What’s my Line’ as I want to know exactly who I’m talking to. I look forward to learning your perspective on a variety of issues.
cheers–
“I don’t wish to impugn Resident Dissident, but he does seem to float in and out according to convenience”
Not so much convenience but work and family demands. Also after a while hearing the same arguments rehashed does get pretty boring and some people here know precious little about dialectics – to say nothing about having one’s honesty and motivation impugned. Also a lot of people here do seem only want to talk about a very narrow range of subjects.
No one here has really taken the point that most countries in the Middle East (including Israel) now have significant secular/liberal currents and it is these that those of similar perspective here in the West should be looking to. Mary will frequently refer to such groups in Israel when they point out another abuse of human rights in Palestine – but what are the same groups/people saying about the way forward – or does everyone here just thing they can be labelled as ZFWs and ignored?
“Who, what, why, means, motive, opportunity – the usual questions.”
Thanks for that, Res Diss.
So, what answers did you arrive at and how did you arrive at them?
Funny post, by the way.
Dreoilin, nope, nor will you be at risk of singing a different tune.
Resident; Don’t you think it’s a mite unrealistic to approach an Islamic State as secular?
Do we expect the Vatican to be secular?
MPs caught sniffing toilet seats
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What do you think he would have said and why?
(trust you to find an archaic neo liberal tosspot
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Mod,
Blah blah, some here don’t genuflect as they ought to… blah, blah, … this blog … soaping, ….praising, excellent…. should not let these anti-semi… to come here and use words … ZIOFUCKWIT..blah blah, oh why everyone hates ZIOFCUKWITS … they just like a bit of stealing, bit of murdering, and they do it with the free weapons supplied by US/UK/NATO your own governments ….. if you don’t ….. I will buy a piece of materialistic shite produced by the gun wielding child murdering land stealing occupiers in the sweatshops in the stolen lands as a sign of solidarity,…… I have to spend the shekels that …. pay me…. somehow, and condescend upon you all, ….. promoting the shite products into the bargain.
If you don’t ban these posters, then this place is anti-semi…. you are anti-semi…. everyone is anti-semi… and you are all ……. now going to gurgle some …pretentious wine brand…. with magniloquent sausage roll…. mincingly change my nick and come back to tripe away here, cuz you are chumps.
This is fucking passing for debate around here these days, and the constant torrent of Mod this and Mod that are left on the threads. Why the personal Dear Mod letters are left on the thread after the Mod has read them? These should be deleted, won’t you agree?
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Suhayl Saadi,
The comment further validated the forwarded points about the almost paranoid compunction that drove the Grossly Unequal Income Distribution System owners and operators to destroy any hints of a Flat Income Distribution System.
The jaundiced view of the communist societies is a natural outlook given the degrees of hostility within the capitalist systems hold towards any notions of equality.
Finally what is “Deep State” there should be a working definition. The subsequent comment of Jon on this subject are somewhat mixed.
Not just GCHQ. Airport plods grab passengers’ phones at will & lift off all the data: http://is.gd/SThw8D
Just cocaine? I should have thought crank would be cheaper and more available. It’s a class issue when snorted off the johnny.
Christ my head hurts.
Maybe tomorrow it’ll be better.
Goodnight yoll.
“Just cocaine? I should have thought crank would be cheaper and more available.”
Our MPs are getting a huge payrise. They don’t do ‘cheaper’. They snort their charlie with rolled up Government bonds which they then flush down the toilet with Bollinger. Probably.
Bonds flushed seems fiscally sound, but Bollinger? That’s felonious.
“…. felonious”
Yup, that’s our MPs all right.
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Yesterday’s editorial in the Morning Star. The UK subsidises Amerika’s war machine. And where is the £100bn coming from?
A one-sided ‘relationship’
Sunday 14 July 2013
George W Bush’s UN ambassador John Bolton was wheeled out by Sky News at the weekend to issue dark threats about the future of the “special relationship” if Britain ever scrapped its nuclear weapons.
While Bolton now goes under the label “ex-diplomat,” there is little doubt that his message largely reflects the thinking of his former paymasters.
For many Morning Star readers the thought that axing Britain’s weapons of mass destruction, which could never be deployed without US permission, would move us towards an independent foreign policy may be enough for them to warm to the idea.
So why might the US be keen to emphasise the “special relationship” in this case?
Effectively Britain acts as a joint development partner in nuclear weapons, helping to subsidise the overall cost to the Pentagon.
Most of the development costs for Trident replacement will be splashed out on nuclear facilities and production in the US, from whom the missiles are hired.
But we also act as a spy centre for US electronic communications. Five of its bases, including the nerve centres of “RAF” Croughton and “RAF” Menwith Hill remain on British soil.
We offer a useful stepping stone to the US into the European Union market, giving a platform for its big corporations and billions in financial interests.
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http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/news/content/view/full/135381