The problem with the Geneva Communique from the first Geneva round on Syria is that the government of Syria never subscribed to it. It was jointly chaired by the League of Arab States for Syria, whatever that may mean. Another problem is that it is, as so many diplomatic documents are, highly ambiguous. It plainly advocates a power sharing executive formed by some of the current government plus the opposition to oversee a transition to democracy. But it does not state which elements of the current government, and it does not mention which elements of the opposition, nor does it make plain if President Assad himself is eligible to be part of, or to head, the power-sharing executive, and whether he is eligible to be a candidate in future democratic elections.
Doubtless the British, for example, would argue that the term transition implies that he will go. The Russians will argue there is no such implication and the text does not exclude anybody from the process. Doubtless also diplomats on all sides were fully aware of these differing interpretations and the ambiguity is quite deliberate to enable an agreed text. I would say that the text tends much more to the “western” side, and that this reflects the apparently weak military position of the Assad regime at that time and the then extant threat of western military intervention. There has been a radical shift in those factors against the western side in the interim. Expect Russian interpretations now to get more hardline.
Given the extreme ambiguity of the text, Iran has, as it frequently does, shot itself in the foot diplomatically by refusing to accept the communique as the basis of talks and thus getting excluded from Geneva. Iran should have accepted the communique, and then at Geneva issued its own interpretation of it.
But that is a minor point. The farcical thing about the Geneva conference is that it is attempting to promote into power-sharing in Syria “opposition” members who have no democratic credentials and represent a scarcely significant portion of those actually fighting the Assad regime in Syria. What the West are trying to achieve is what the CIA and Mossad have now achieved in Egypt; replacing the head of the Mubarak regime while keeping all its power structures in place. The West don’t really want democracy in Syria, they just want a less pro-Russian leader of the power structures.
The inability of the British left to understand the Middle East is pathetic. I recall arguing with commenters on this blog who supported the overthrow of the elected President of Egypt Morsi on the grounds that his overthrow was supporting secularism, judicial independence (missing the entirely obvious fact the Egyptian judiciary are almost all puppets of the military) and would lead to a left wing revolutionary outcome. Similarly the demonstrations against Erdogan in Istanbul, orchestrated by very similar pro-military forces to those now in charge in Egypt, were also hailed by commenters here. The word “secularist” seems to obviate all sins when it comes to the Middle East.
Qatar will be present at Geneva, and Qatar has just launched a pre-emptive media offensive by launching a dossier on torture and murder of detainees by the Assad regime, which is being given first headline treatment by the BBC all morning
There would be a good dossier to be issued on torture in detention in Qatar, and the lives of slave workers there, but that is another question.
I do not doubt at all that atrocities have been committed and are being committed by the Assad regime. It is a very unpleasant regime indeed. The fact that atrocities are also being committed by various rebel groups does not make Syrian government atrocities any better.
But whether 11,000 people really were murdered in a single detainee camp I am unsure. What I do know is that the BBC presentation of today’s report has been a disgrace. The report was commissioned by the government of Qatar who commissioned Carter Ruck to do it. Both those organisations are infamous suppressors of free speech. What is reprehensible is that the BBC are presenting the report as though it were produced by neutral experts, whereas the opposite is the case. It is produced not by anti torture campaigners or by human rights activists, but by lawyers who are doing it purely and simply because they are being paid to do it.
The BBC are showing enormous deference to Sir Desmond De Silva, who is introduced as a former UN war crimes prosecutor. He is indeed that, but it is not the capacity in which he is now acting. He is acting as a barrister in private practice. Before he was a UN prosecutor, he was for decades a criminal defence lawyer and has defended many murderers. He has since acted to suppress the truth being published about many celebrities, including John Terry.
If the Assad regime and not the government of Qatar had instructed him and paid him, he would now be on our screens arguing the opposite case to that he is putting. That is his job. He probably regards that as not reprehensible. What is reprehensible is that the BBC do not make it plain, but introduce him as a UN war crimes prosecutor as though he were acting in that capacity or out of concern for human rights. I can find no evidence of his having an especial love for human rights in the abstract, when he is not being paid for it. He produced an official UK government report into the murder of Pat Finucane, a murder organised by British authorities, which Pat Finucane’s widow described as a “sham”. He was also put in charge of quietly sweeping the Israeli murders on the Gaza flotilla under the carpet at the UN.
The question any decent journalist should be asking him is “Sir Desmond De Silva, how much did the government of Qatar pay you for your part in preparing this report? How much did it pay the other experts? Does your fee from the Government of Qatar include this TV interview, or are you charging separately for your time in giving this interview? In short how much are you being paid to say this?”
That is what any decent journalist would ask. Which is why you will never hear those questions on the BBC.
Anon, when I had moderator access, I did occasionally correct my own typographic, grammatical and spelling errors. Considering that the work-load of moderation caused me to rush the composition of my comments, I consider this acceptable. I did not alter the meaning of any of my own comments.
I have used sock-puppetry twice, many years ago, before I knew it to be wrong. The first instance was merely a joke. I used “Recursive” as my name because it seemed appropriate to the comment I was making. The other occasion I will not reveal, as I was protecting someone else’s identity by hiding my own. I have never used sock-puppetry to post an offensive comment while concealing my identity, nor to falsely bolster an argument by appearing to be more than one person.
Do you claim otherwise? If not, what harm do you see in what I did?
Mary,
Read comment at “January 21, 2014 at 2:01 pm”
http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2014/01/20/more-poverty-more-homelessness-more-deaths-labour-set-out-a-vision-for-workfare-britain/
If that is “Mike Sivier” ?, he is a big supporter of the far right NuLabour party and no mistake.
“Margaret Thatcher branded Arthur Scargill and the other leaders of the 1984-5 miners’ strike ;’the enemy within’. With the publication of this bestselling book a decade later, the full irony of that accusation became clear. There was an enemy within. But it was not the National Union of Mineworkers that was out to subvert liberty. It was the secret services of the British state – operating inside the NUM itself. Seumas Milne revealed for the first time the astonishing lengths to which the government and its intelligence machine were prepared to go to destry the power of Britain’s miners’ union. Using phoney bank deposits, staged cash drops, forged documents, agents provocateurs and unrelenting surveillance, MI5 and police Special Branch set out to discredit Scargill and other miners’ leaders. Planted tales of corruption were seized on by the media and both Tory and Labour politicians in what became an unprecedentedly savage smear campaign. In this new edition, published for the twentieth anniversary of Britain’s most important postwar social confrontation, new material brings the story up to date – and, in the wake of the Iraq war intelligence scandals, highlights the continuing threat posed by the security services to democracy today.”
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Enemy-within-Thatchers-Against/dp/1844675084/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390505966&sr=8-1&keywords=the+enemy+within+miners
“Former NUM chief was police informer”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/true_spies/2351547.stm
From the Resident Denigrator:
“Habbabkuk’s spaceship arrived on Squonk just before Christmas as I recall and he emerged to say:
https://squonk.tk/blog/2013/12/19/the-new-yorker-state-of-deception/comment-page-1/#comment-1800
Same old. Same old followed. 32 mentions of ‘Habbabkuk’ including when being addressed.
Pathetic.
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Yes indeed, I discovered Squonk’s blog just before Xmas….and was heartened to find old Mary posting away merrily with her usual sort of stuff. After getting over my shock at her unfaithfulnesss to Craig’s blog (she had obviously got herself a new groom, so to speak) I of course felt impelled to correct some rubbish or other she had written; that is the source she quotes in this post.
I offer the following thought : does every Mary deserve her Habbabkuk?
Question from Mary:
“Isn’t it obvious that Qatar timed the release of the report to provide an ideal backdrop for media discussion (cartoons included) of the Geneva II peace conference? Should that not encourage a little caution and scepticism?”
Answers from Habbabkuk:
1/. Yes
2/. Not necessarily.
Wake up in the back.
‘“Isn’t it obvious that Qatar timed the release of the report to provide an ideal backdrop for media discussion (cartoons included) of the Geneva II peace conference? Should that not encourage a little caution and scepticism?”’
That was not my question. It was David Edwards; question, one of the Medialens editors, addressed to the cartoonist Steve Bell. That was obvious and you are becoming extremely boring.
@ Clark:
“ESLO, I expect you’d be trusted more widely if you’d stop supporting Habbabkuk”
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What makes you think that ESLO wishes to be trusted more widely by the likes of you and the other Eminences? He can speak for himself, of course, but I should imagine that he is more interested in correcting the more obvious absurdities posted here.
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“posts offensive remarks to all and sundry”
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Not to all and sundry, just to the more egregious loonies
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“…and reveals so little about his own political beliefs.”
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Leaving aside the rather Stalinist tone of that remark (“CONFESS!!”), I think that anyone with more than a handful of grey cells wouldn’t have much difficulty in knowing where I stand on the various issues I address.
Mary says:
“Those tedious entries from Habbabkuk on Squonk ended with his critique of Arthur Scargill. Scargill was right all along when it emerged in the release of cabinet papers, after 30 years, that Thatcher HAD PLANNED to close 70 pits. She wanted it done little by little and subtly so as not to alarm the natives”
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Leaving aside the question of whose posts – Mary’s or mine – are more tedious, shortly after posting on Arthur Scargill I read somewhere that far more pits had been closed under the Labour govts of Harold Wilson and Jim Callaghan than under Margaret Thatcher. Presumably Wilson and Callaghan also planned those pit closures as opposed to doing so in a fit of absent-mindednesss?
@ Mary
“Wake up in the back.
‘“Isn’t it obvious that Qatar timed the release of the report to provide an ideal backdrop for media discussion (cartoons included) of the Geneva II peace conference? Should that not encourage a little caution and scepticism?”’”
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Firstly, thanks for that swift – very swift – response, Mary.
Secondly, as you posted that comment from someone else (with every indication of approving the sentiment expressed therein, and as you’re easier to get in touch with than David Edwards, I thought I’d give you my answers to those two questions.
No problem with that, surely?
Since Arthur Scargill and the great miners’ strike have made an O/T reappearance on this thread thanks to Mary, I feel entitled to ask the following question:
How should the govt of the day have dealt with the UK coal-mining industry (‘dealt with’ in the sense of its future, I mean)?
Considered thoughts welcome.
Habbabkuk (La vita è bella!
23 Jan, 2014 – 4:59 pm
“Assad @ Sons, est. 1971. Torture, imprisonments and exiles our speciality. Gassings undertaken”.
Habbabkuk,
Assad and his regime are a bunch of criminals and I don’t support them but I don’t support forced regime change either.
You must be aware that the US/UK/Israel don’t give a shit about the Syrian people or democracy in that country.
The UK government had refused to accept Syrian refugees from the UN camps until pressure on Cameron forced a U-turn.
Assad has passed his best-before date for western geo-political reasons but until 2011 Assad was feted by the West:
“Following an audience with the Queen, on day three of his visit to Britain, Mr Assad was meeting the Prince of Wales as well as opposition leaders Iain Duncan Smith and Charles Kennedy.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-151701/President-Assad-meets-Queen.html#ixzz2rFqhw8Qo
Also
“Revealed: Britain sold nerve gas chemicals to Syria 10 months after ‘civil unrest’ began”
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/revealed-britain-sold-nerve-gas-2242520
So the US/UK/Israel are not supplying weapons and aid to the rebels for humanitarian reasons are they?
Now here’s a thing or two.
A British lawyer advises people to visit Israel and see what is really happening to Palestinian children in the military court system.
‘Secondly, those who consider that stories of systemic breaches of human rights under the occupation are an anti-Israel myth are deluding themselves.
We spent a morning at the military courts observing young Palestinian boys, aged 13-17, being processed, and speaking to their mothers. It is clear that children are invariably arrested in night raids by the army at gunpoint, cuffed and blindfolded and held, often for hours, in that condition, denied access to food, water and toilet facilities, interrogated without being advised of their rights, without a lawyer and without their parents.’
http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/comment/114819/take-a-lawyers-advice-visit-occupied-territories
and our Ambassador to Israel advises the Israelis that they are losing support.
‘Israel is losing support across Europe due to its approach to the Palestinians and West Bank settlements, Britain’s ambassador in Tel Aviv has warned.
Matthew Gould said changes were “slowly” becoming apparent in the way British politicians and the media approached Israel.
“I love Israel and I worry that in another five years Israel will wake up and find that the country won’t have enough friends,” he said.’
http://www.thejc.com/node/115008
Perhaps the JC on a mission to disarm the critics.
Scorgie
“Assad and his regime are a bunch of criminals and I don’t support them…”
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Very glad to hear that. Took you long enough.
“Developer finds Chrome eavesdropping bug”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25859360
Mary.
You are still not following your own good advice and scrolling past the trolls. They are no more interest than passing clouds. Their job is to fill space so that logical discussion is harder to follow. You have to scroll past: Nevermind, ESLO Habbabkuk, Des Res, Fred, anything after the second volley from Tony_Opmoc because too much information, and anyone else including Guano, especially Guano when he’s talking bXXXXXXX about Islam and Muslims.
You don’t dig the garden when it’s out of season. Put your muck on and let the worms do the rest. Leave the worms alone. Please.
It takes more finger exercise scrolling down. Nil carborundum.
The corpse portrayed in Steve Bell’s cartoon, whoever’s victims they may have been, are now in Heaven. The atheist Assad is portrayed as a terrified, red-eyed, maniac. That is how it is, however upsetting. We have to prepare for the worst, that the US will take him out sometime soon, and many of the Alawi people will be slaughtered. The Qur’an states that many of those who rejected Jesus, peace be upon him, were similarly slaughtered because they rejected the tenets of faith which Jesus pbuh rehearsed for them.
Now in Geneva 2, John Kerry is witnessing for himself that Assad is beyond the common ground of any of the people of the book, Jewish, Christian or Muslim. He is nothing more than a Draculan Zombie obsessed with murder and power.
Hey Guano, who you calling a troll?
You want a flame war? I’ll give you a flame war to end all flame wars if that’s what you want.
Otherwise cut out the name calling.
Understand?
Guano I do not engage in discussions with the trolls. Any comments are usually indirect.
Furthermore, Nevermind is definitely not a troll. He is a decent person. I think you should make a correction.
“Nevermind is definitely not a troll. He is a decent person. I think you should make a correction.”
And apology.
Mary
23 Jan, 2014 – 9:34 pm
“It is clear that children are invariably arrested in night raids by the army at gunpoint, cuffed and blindfolded and held, often for hours, in that condition, denied access to food, water and toilet facilities…”
This denial of food, water and toilet facilities is an IDF tactic aimed at causing distress and humiliation.
The people who took part in the 2010 Gaza flotilla, which was attacked by the IDF killing nine unarmed activists, were arrested and subjected to this tactic.
No food; no water; no toilet facilities. Many of the activists had no choice but to urinate and defecate in their clothes (No doubt there will be sniggering from certain posters on this blog about this.)
The same tactic is used by the police in the UK, mainly the Met, to intimidate and humiliate peaceful protesters; it’s called kettling and is aimed at dissuading people from protesting in future.
Guano, they just don’t get your sense of humour, do they? Don’t worry, you make me laugh. You should be more careful with footballers’ gestures, however; you never know where they’ve been.
Look folks, Guano called himself a troll! How can you possibly take so seriously someone who calls himself “industrial quantities of batshit”?
Mary @ yesterday…8;32 am
A section from the transcript that ( i think ) you were asking about…
Now, lost in the daily reports of violence is the fact that this revolution did not begin as an armed resistance. This started peacefully. It was started by schoolboys in Daraa who are armed only with graffiti cans, citizens who were peacefully and legitimately calling for change. And they were met almost immediately with violence. When their parents came out to protest the arrest of the children, 120 people died. That was the beginning.
And tragically, the Assad regime answered peaceful demonstration after peaceful demonstration with ever-increasing force. In the three years since then, this conflict has now left more than 130,000 dead, and it’s hard to count accurately. We all know that. The fact is that these people have been killed by guns, by tanks, by artillery, by gas, by barrel bombs, by Scud missiles. They’ve been killed by weapons almost exclusively of the magnitude not possessed by the opposition. Starvation has been used as a weapon of war. And most recently, we have seen horrific reports of systematic torture and execution of thousands of prisoners. This is an appalling assault, not only on human lives, but on human dignity and on every standard by which the international community tries to organize itself, recognizing the horrors of the humanitarian catastrophe that has unfolded, the destabilization of neighboring countries, and the endless exile of refugees.
SO we should forget clinton, Cameron, admitions…that they were funding, arming the evil monsters…FROM THE START
Mary Kerry full transcript @ –
http://iipdigital.usembassy.gov/st/english/texttrans/2014/01/20140122291401.html#axzz2rHHZLfzZ
OOOPs sorry i missed seeing you had found it yourself Mary…was not easy was it
Anyway Further to all this….
from a few months ago –
“There can be little doubt that the lifting of the arms embargo to the armed insurgents and terrorist groups operating in Syria is one of the most egregiously callous, self-serving, reckless and irresponsible moves made by the international community since the beginning of the internal conflict in the country.
The West’s complete and total lack of regard for the precious lives of innocent Syrian civilians, including all non-Muslims, non-Sunnis, Jews, Christians and ethnic minority groups is mind-boggling in its persistence, premeditation and complete and total lack of anything resembling humanity.
The West has once again truly shown the entire planet, that is anyone with their eyes half open, its monstrous and evil face when it comes to Syria. It is evident in everything the West has done in Syria. From the day the Western “masters” decided that elected President Bashar al-Assad had to go because he was not a Western puppet, to the instigating and fueling of the internal conflict, to the bellicose rhetoric AND ENDLESS SANTIONS, to the actual real and documented funding, arming and importing of every kind of terrorist, mercenary and killer under the sun, the West has shown time and time again that they will do absolutely anything to bring about their ends, while packaging it in marketable terms evoking righteousness and pride by calling it “iron resolve”, “taking the lead” and “ridding the world of evil”.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-has-the-right-to-peace-and-to-self-defense-despite-western-claims/5337694
Here are the top three Western media lies about the Syrian peace talks.
1) The removal of Syrian Bashar al-Assad was an agreed upon “precondition” for the Geneva II peace talks.
This lie has been repeated over and over by government and media alike. It has zero basis. The Obama administration claims that this precondition was expressed in the “Geneva communiqué,” which was a road map agreement meant to guide the Geneva II peace talks, agreed upon by some of the major parties of the negotiations, including Russia.
The communiqué does indeed call for a negotiated political transition, but nowhere does it state that such a transition cannot include President Assad. Such a condition would have been outright rejected by Russia.
In fact, the Geneva communiqué includes this crucial statement:
“[a transition government] could include members of the present [Syrian] government and the opposition and other groups and shall be formed on the basis of mutual consent.” Nowhere does it specifically mention or imply President Assad.
The Los Angeles Times recently stepped out of line and exposed this lie:
“[John] Kerry regularly cites the “Geneva communiqué,” a kind of peace road map hammered out in June 2012 during a United Nations-organized summit. But the document does not explicitly call for Assad’s ouster.”
The Obama administration’s constant repeating of this lie only causes divisions in the peace process, undermining the chances that the peace process will succeed.
The Obama administration is especially adamant about this “Assad must go” pre-condition because it knows that, if free and fair elections were held tomorrow in Syria — as part of a UN-backed “transitional process”— President Assad would likely win. This is the result of the ethnic and religious minorities in Syria that have rallied behind President Assad, since they’ve witnessed the consistent religious sectarian atrocities committed by the U.S.-backed rebels (which the U.S. media loves to ignore or minimize).
Assad would probably win an election since there is also simply no one else on the government side or the opposition side with his name recognition or popularity. The U.S.-backed rebel war in Syria has vastly strengthened Assad’s political hand, but you wouldn’t know it from the Western, anti-Syrian media.
Demanding Assad’s ouster also does not reflect the situation on the ground. The U.S.-backed rebels have never controlled more than one Syrian city, namely Raqaa, which is dominated by al-Qaeda and is governed under a Taliban-style interpretation of Islamic law, which includes a strict ban on music. Thus, the rebels don’t have the ground power that would even enable them to make the demand that “Assad must go”.
2) The U.S.-backed rebel militias are “moderate” Islamic groups.
The fact that this lie can even be uttered publicly without encountering ridicule is a major success of Western media propaganda. The media narrative paints the U.S.-backed “good” rebels fighting both the Syrian government and the “bad” al-Qaeda linked rebels.
But the “good” rebels in the U.S.-backed Islamic Front share the same vision for Syria’s future as the al-Qaeda rebels: a fundamentalist version of Sharia law, where women live in virtual house arrest and where religious minorities are second class citizens (non-Sunni Muslims would simply be butchered, as they are on a regular basis in Syria, which is again minimized or ignored in the Western media.)
The “moderate rebel” lie was further exposed recently when a top leader in the most powerful militia, Ahrar al Sham, within the Islamic Front declared Ahrar al Sham to be the “real” representative of al-Qaeda in Syria, as opposed to the rival al-Qaeda faction that the Islamic Front had recently begun fighting.
Ahrar al Sham has long been known to be an al-Qaeda type Islamist extremist group; the Western media simply chose to ignore it. But when it was recently made official, the U.S. media chose to continue its ignoring stance, since actually reporting on it would destroy their “moderate rebel” lie. The Western media also continues to ignore the fact that the “moderate” U.S.-backed Islamic Front issued a joint statement that aligned itself to the extremist views of Ahrar al Sham, the “real” al-Qaeda.
3) New Evidence of Syrian government “industrial scale” torture.
The Western media recently blasted the “breaking news” of brand new evidence showing massive “NAZI-like” torture and murder by the Syrian government, released at the beginning of the Syrian peace talks. This may or may not be true, but the lie here is that the Western media promoted the “evidence” as being unquestionably true, when the story doesn’t reach first base when it comes to evidence-based journalism.
All we really know is that there are hundreds of pictures of dead people that a “trusted source” says were killed by the Syrian government. The trusted source was designated as such by pro-Western intellectuals, who have earned professional “credibility” by helping convict war criminals in the International Criminal Court [ICC]. But as author Diane Johnstone pointed out in her excellent book “Fools Crusade,” about the war against Yugoslavia — as well as in other articles — the ICC has long been used by western powers as a tool to create a pretext for war, or a tool to justify a war after the fact.
The evidence of the “NAZI-like” atrocities was written in a study paid for by the government of Qatar, which has long funneled cash, guns, and Jihadis to Syria in aid of the anti-government rebels.
Again, we don’t know if the story is true or not. But such an important investigation should be conducted by the UN or another more objective institution. The same biased dynamic occurred in relation to the infamous chemical weapons attack, where no real evidence was provided, though an unending string of “experts” were quoted in the Western media, testifying to the guilt of the Syrian Government. But when Pulitzer prizewinning journalist Seymour Hirsch reported that the Obama administration lied about the rebels not having the capacity to perform such an attack, the Western media simply ignored the legend of journalism. The wrench in the propaganda machine was simply dislodged.
How do these lies become such permanent fixtures in the Western media? An excellent article in the Guardian newspaper recently discussed in depth the principal sources the Western media has used to understand the Syrian conflict.
The article exposed the incredible bias of some of the most important Western media sources on Syria, which is why they were handpicked in the first place to be “expert” sources: they had political agendas that were aligned with the U.S. government’s foreign policy decisions. The other side of the conflict was completely ignored, except when it was targeted for ridicule. Thus, Americans and Europeans have a completely one-sided, if not fantasy-based perspective of what is happening in Syria. This has been systematic since the beginning of the conflict, as happened with the Yugoslav, Afghan, Iraq, and Libya wars.
The result of this media-led ignorance could result in yet more unnecessary deaths in a country that now has millions of refugees and over a 100,000 dead. Obama seems like he intends to exploit these peace talks with the intention of blaming the Syrian government for their failure. Having failed to defeat Assad on the battlefield in a proxy war, the Obama administration is trying to win the propaganda war. And once peace talks have failed, talk of war will resume, since “all other options have failed.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/media-spin-machine-in-high-gear-top-three-media-lies-about-the-syrian-peace-talks/5366099
Cowbells, or how Davos saves the world
Daniel Rich That is a must read by Pepe Escobar for its irony alone apart from hearing of the antics of the gangsters-in-charge attending Davos.
I put up an earlier link to another of Escobar’s on the Syrian talks, ‘Syria and the Geneva 2 charade’
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/01/syria-and-diplomacy/#comment-438615
This photo sums Davos up.
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Beq7nzWCUAEAa4w.jpg
The Banks And Parties Are Back
http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinehoward/2011/01/26/liz-claman-at-davos-the-banks-and-parties-are-back/
So let me get this right.
The US are financing Al-Qaeda in Syria.
So it must be the case then that under US created laws in the War On Terror the US should arrest itself for aiding and abetting a terrorist organisation,should have its finances frozen and fly itslf to Guantanamo Bay in order to torture itself for years?
Is that how the law is meant to work yes?
@ Jives,
You forgot to put us on a rendition flight to a torture friendly client state to be [for once] at the receiving end of the same enhanced interrogation techniques we shot ’em Japs for.
The western hypocrisy stinks worse than the rotting corpses in my in-laws’ basement.
@ Mary,
Don’t fight fire with fire. Piss on it.
Live Q&A with Edward Snowden: Thursday 23rd January, 2014
http://www.freesnowden.is/asksnowden/