Gaza Genocide Promoter Baroness Cox – Dundee University Must Withdraw Honorary Degree 218

Baroness Cox is a prominent supporter of organisations which actively and openly promote the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians from Gaza. She was incredibly given an Honorary Degree by the University of Dundee in 2006. I call on the students and academic staff of Dundee University to campaign to have this award stripped from her.

It is a matter of shame to me that my University has honoured a woman whose primary political activity is as a promoter of genocide.

Baroness Cox’s support for the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is persistent and consistent. She is the deputy head of the Presidium of the Jerusalem Summit, an organisation which states that:

“The establishment of a Palestinian state must be removed from the political agenda”

The Jerusalem Summit calls for the deportation of all Palestinians from Gaza.

This is not an accidental association of Baroness Cox. She also is a key member of the Israeli Institute of Strategic Studies, which also calls prominently for the ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians from Gaza:

“The only durable solution requires dismantling Gaza, humanitarian relocation of the non-belligerent Arab population, and extension of Israeli sovereignty over the region.”

This is not an issue of freedom of speech. Genocide is in process in Gaza today. To support genocide is not a legitimate academic position within the realm of free debate. Dundee University must end its honouring of Baroness Cox, or be seen as endorsing the legitimacy of her views, which all decent people find obnoxious.

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  • oddie

    there are probably thousands of journalists inside Israel, from all corners of the world.

    how come none have shown any major destruction of a single Israeli building from a Hamas rocket?

    Israel was bragging on 9 July “Israeli official: We’ve dropped 400 tonnes of bombs on Gaza” – see Middle East Monitor story. mid-July, i heard a figure of 2,000 tonnes of bombs & missiles dropped on Gaza. it is now 1 August (in Australia). Israel claims Hamas has fired approx 2,400 “rockets” at Israel. think about that as you watch the following:

    MIT Weapons expert, Theodore Postol, claims zero to five percent success rate for Iron Dome Interceptors – watch Part 1 link at Democracy Now:

    Part 2: Weapons Expert Theodore Postol Asks, Is Israel’s Iron Dome Really an Iron Sieve?
    AMY GOODMAN: Let me quote from Reuters, July 10th: “Israel’s Iron Dome interceptor has shot down some 90 percent of Palestinian rockets it engaged during this week’s surge of Gaza fighting, up from the 85 percent rate in the previous mini-war of 2012.” Professor Postol, your response?
    THEODORE POSTOL: Well, first of all, I am sorry to say that the press needs to engage in more due diligence on these matters. Where does this number come from? The number comes from an Israeli spokesperson. Now, if I give a number—and, incidentally, I have a long record of being correct on these matters—you don’t hear the press coming to me and asking me, do I believe that number is correct?…
    AMY GOODMAN: Let me quote from Reuters, July 10th: “Israel’s Iron Dome interceptor has shot down some 90 percent of Palestinian rockets it engaged during this week’s surge of Gaza fighting, up from the 85 percent rate in the previous mini-war of 2012.” Professor Postol, your response?
    THEODORE POSTOL: Well, first of all, I am sorry to say that the press needs to engage in more due diligence on these matters. Where does this number come from? The number comes from an Israeli spokesperson…
    THEODORE POSTOL: Well, one has to realize—you know, one has to know some simple technical facts. First of all, most artillery rockets are carrying warheads in the 10-to-20-pound range…
    AMY GOODMAN: Professor Postol, I’m looking at a Boston Globe piece on the Iron Dome and Raytheon being a key in the Israeli defense plan. And it says, “For Raytheon, the Israeli contracts—part of a ‘coproduction’ deal with Israel’s Rafael Advanced Defense Systems—present a potential financial windfall. Much of the work would be done at Raytheon’s Tucson, Ariz., missile systems plant, as well by subcontractors across the country.” Can you talk more about exactly what Raytheon does…READ ON

    from the first part of the interview:

    THEODORE POSTOL: Well, let me remind you that in the Gulf War of 1991, the interceptor rate of the Patriot missile defense over Israel and Saudi Arabia was reported as 96 percent, even higher. And we analyzed the information we obtained from television videos, and when we were finished, the general view among all—all—informed technical people was that the intercept rate of Patriot was probably zero…
    THEODORE POSTOL: I would not spend money on an interceptor that has a near-zero chance of intercepting an artillery rocket. The interceptor probably costs well in excess of $100,000 per interceptor, and it’s maybe achieving a 5 percent rate—maybe, could be lower—against rockets that maybe cost $1,000 each or $500 each.

    ON DEMOCRACY NOW, ALSO WATCH TWO-PART INTERVIEW WITH RABBI HENRY SIEGMAN, president of the U.S./Middle East Project, former executive director of the American Jewish Congress and former executive head of the Synagogue Council of America.

    PLUS click “MORE” at the bottom of the Israel/Palestine list of items to watch all video interviews with independent journalist, Sharif Abdel Kouddous, who is covering the war on Gaza for The Nation as well as Democracy Now, award-winning Palestinian journalist Mohammed Omer, Palestinian student Amer Shurrab who is in the US & has lost family in two Israeli wars on Gaza (heart-breaking), etc.

    the so-called mainstream media is the problem. instead of Occupy Wall St., it should have been Occupy the MSM.

  • Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    Sorry, it’s him again. Or rather, it isn’t. Still a resonant silence from that other promoter of genocide in Gaza, Quartet Representative Tony Blair.

    I put this on the previous thread, but think it needs a wider public. Please delete the earlier one if this is an issue.

    UN Secretary General’s office doesn’t have a clue where Blair is…

    Yesterday’s noon Press briefing –

    Question: And one thing on Gaza, Tony Blair, I understand he represents the Quartet, but in previous instances, he’s been active on things like economic development; I know that now, with the power plant out, there’s no cell phone service, there’s a lot of problems, so I just wonder, what is Tony Blair doing and does he report to anyone in the Secretariat what he’s… he got an award recently from Israel that some people found was sort of badly timed. I’m just wondering what is his relationship to the UN?

    Spokesman: I think Tony Blair’s appointment remains the same, as an Envoy of the Quartet. I don’t’ have any update on his activities. If I do, I will share them with you. Rhonda?

    Correspondent: But what…

    Spokesman: Just wait two seconds. There are a lot of hands up. There’s a lot of time and we’ll come back to you, Masood.

    (He didn’t.)

    Unlike Massoud and the UN, I have an idea. His usual transport flew to Los Angeles, arriving on the 27th, and at the time of the briefing, was in Las Vegas. It returned to LA this morning and is still there.

    There is no press trace of him there or anywhere else, except for one US TV interview during his absence. This didn’t feature Gaza.

  • fool


    What do you say have been the hallmarks or indicative features of fascist statse or more interestingly of ones on the way there?

  • Mary

    I feel that Jon Donnison is reporting from a position of understanding and some sympathy.

    See the newly born quads. Will they live to become toddlers, teenagers and adults?

    Will the captured soldier affect the attack or will the IDF use the Hannibal Directive and blow him up?

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    “What do you say have been the hallmarks or indicative features of fascist statse”

    I vaguely recall that someone posted a link to an article or something similar which I thought contained an interesting “check list” on that.

    Perhaps another commenter might be able to point you towards that post (and therefore the link)?

  • Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    Apparently he’s been in the MidEast all this time.

    ” Mr. Blair has spent some two weeks in the region, between Jerusalem, Ramallah and Cairo.”

    Wondering who’s chartering G-CEYL now, then. Has he abandoned Blair Force One? Or is this highly misleading statement (he wasn’t anywhere near the MidEast last week) just more bollocks?

    Ho hum. No doubt I’ll catch up with him one day.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !


    “Habbabkuk, I’m not joking; this, from your 10:51 comment, is the most revealing thing you’ve posted on this site:

    “Look, the issue you mention would certainly only be one of (probably) hundreds of issues needing to be resolved. But don’t forget… “

    It’s the first thing you’ve posted with genuine emotion behind it. Your ambition and optimism shine through. You really think you can do this, “move” the Gazans elsewhere, and the value of that gas can make it possible. You personally probably wouldn’t benefit much in any direct material way; prestige and professional pride, maybe.

    But you’ll be trying to do deals with fascists – No, do not hesitate; name it when you see it. The Gazans would never reach their promised land, and your reputation would be ruined.”

    Clark, must I really have to go through it again?

    Read my original comment (and the follow-up, in response to a good question from someone) once more.

    To find in it emotion, ambition, thinking “I” can do something, prestige and professional pride and the idea of my “reputation” is to believe that what I wrote represented a Baldrick-style “cunning plan” or a concrete solution to the question of Gaza.

    It’s much simpler: having pointed out (with examples from the past at hand) that states comprising non-contiguous parts tend to function less well than geographically united states, I suggested that the portmanteau term “ethnic cleansing” (in this case, a transfer of populations in effect) need not necessarily denote a catastrophic and brutal scenario. (BTW it is in this sense that you need to see the off-shore gas question).

    It also follows from the above that my comment did not seek to speculate on the likely reactions of the Israelis and Palestinians to such a transfer and to the conditions which would need to be agreed upon as its prior underpinning (eg, the restoration of the territorial integrity of the West Bank, etc).

  • Mary

    From the Palestinian Christians Wikipedia page.

    ‘In November 2009, Berlanty Azzam, a Palestinian Christian student from Gaza, was expelled from Bethlehem and was not allowed to continue her studying. She had two months left for the completion of her degree. Berlanty Azzam said the Israeli military handcuffed her, blindfolded her, and left her waiting for hours at a checkpoint on her way back from a job interview in Ramallah. She described the incident as “frightening” and claimed Israeli official treated her like a criminal and denied her an education because she is a Palestinian Christian from Gaza.’

    I enquired of friends if there was any news of her.

    A reply:

    Funnily enough, Mary, my last newsletter from Bethlehem Uni a week ago included the following…

    Our Vice Chancellor, Brother Peter Bray, was able to speak over the phone to the mother of Berlanty Azzam, a BU Graduate of 2010, who is currently working in the US. Berlanty was not allowed to continue her studies at Bethlehem University by the Israeli Authority simply because she came from Gaza, but Bethlehem University enabled her to graduate through distance learning while in Gaza.

    Berlanty’s mother asked Brother Peter to pray for her and her family “Our lives are unbearable, we are very scared, and several houses in our neighborhood have completely vanished”.


    That is just one example of the treatment meted out to Palestinians by the Occupier.

  • mark golding

    Thanks Komodo – I appreciate your tabs on Blair. I caught up with him years ago when Blair and Brown secretly (unannounced) dropped in to Walton High, my son’s school to open Lucozade PowerLeague. He ignored my questions on Iraq.

  • Mary

    And from another friend –

    Red Card Israeli Racism just posted an update on the petition you signed:

    FIFA: Suspend the Israeli Football Association’s FIFA membership
    15,487 supporters

    Former Palestinian footballer turned journalist killed in Gaza
    Aug 01, 2014
    Former Palestinian football player, Ahed Zaqout was killed by an Israeli bomb. Medics stated that Zaqout was killed while sleeping on Wednesday. A sports journalist stated,…

    Not allowed to study, not allowed to play football, not allowed to live a life……

  • Mary

    I want to hear nothing more at all about Blair. If he doesn’t receive punishment, may he rot in hell in eternity.

  • Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    Thanks, Mark. I get the impression someone’s reading my contributions, other than the good (and revolting) folk who post here. The aim is exposure and embarrassment. And the information’s all publicly available…the interpretation can go astray though.

  • Brendan

    “That’s a simple one. He would be offering to turn informant, and if that didn’t work looking for a position as a camp guard.”

    That’s so accurate, and it depresses me. Murphy is such an obvious piece of shit, I wonder how people can’t clock him. Scotland is a cool place, but it has its underworld like all the rest. That’s where Murphy hails from, no doubt.

  • Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    “That’s so accurate, and it depresses me. Murphy is such an obvious piece of shit, I wonder how people can’t clock him. Scotland is a cool place, but it has its underworld like all the rest.”

    And you can be sure that he – and people like him – will be the politicians and movers and shakers of a (possible) future independent Scotland.

    But it’s true that he’ll be a Scottish politician in Scotland and no longer at Westminster. Tough for Scotland but marginally better for rUK! 🙂

  • Jack Fletcher

    Habbabkuk’s first comment on this thread has been roundly attacked. I think unfairly. With one additional component, what Habbabkuk states (without addressing the merits of a particular policy) is actually potentially feasible as one option of many. The one additional vital component of course is agreement between the two parties that the proposal is a way forward. If the two parties agreed and it led to a peaceful and sustained solution, I don’t see any external actors should complain too much about the concept. Division of Czechoslovakia, Sudan and other territorial novelties show that often the drive for peace outweighs the objection to challenging conventional wisdom. Moral indignation is pretty disgusting on its own if all it does is perpetuate the problem through lack of vision or imagination. Being ‘more Palestinian than the Palestinians’ does them more harm than good.

  • Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    Think the Scottish underworld would disown the Scottish Blairite underworld, Brendan

    He has obligations. He was Vice-Chair (1997–2001) and Chair (2001–2002) of Labour Friends of Israel.

    Here’s how that works:

    Douglas Alexander (LFoI) speaking:

    In particular can I thank the sponsors of today’s event – Sir David Garrard(1) and Issac Kaye(2), who are not only tireless campaigners for Israel, but also great supporters of the Labour Party and much admired advocates for all of our shared causes.

    I am also delighted to see Trevor Pears(3), Sir Trevor Chinn(4), Sir Ronald Cohen(5) and Lord Michael Levy(6) among today’s guests. I want personally to thank each of you for the support you give LFI, and for all the work you do to promote peace in the Middle East.

    (1)Just gave another £500,000 to Labour funds

    (2) Frequent donor to Labour. Private healthcare man, too.

    (3) Tory backer. More Tory backers here. Zabludowicz is also an Israel fan.

    (4) Complicated. Major Labour donor formerly but now working for Boris. Extended network here:

    MAJOR Labour donor. Also owns half of the Guardian.

    (6) Tony Blair’s former fundraiser (was at Tony’s bash last Friday)

    So, thank you, thank you, thank you. Without you generous souls there would be nothing in the trough to snuffle at. And all we have to do in return is endorse the Israel Project? No problem

  • passerby

    Moral indignation is pretty disgusting on its own if all it does is perpetuate the problem through lack of vision or imagination. Being ‘more Palestinian than the Palestinians’ does them more harm than good.

    Indeed, it is! Just hang on until the last Palestinian has been either killed or kicked out of their lands, and all the problems will be solved.

    Go wash your keyboard!

    This the new tack of fascism with an attitude is the new directive from upon high?

  • Jack Fletcher

    “There is perhaps no phenomenon which contains so much destructive feeling as ‘moral indignation,’ which permits envy or hate to be acted out under the guise of virtue.”
    ― Erich Fromm

    Passerby: My contribution included agreement by both parties. Your superfluous statement suggests to me that one party would inevitably disagree and therefore does not apply to the proposal. Labels such as ‘fascism’ devalue your own currency. You clearly don’t have a calibrated exchange rate.

  • david holden

    i am not hugely familiar with these miscreants. Cox looks like a textbook case of the useful idiot. Murphy, whilst evidently a catholic-born anglophile zio-lobotomized common purpose clone, should not be underestimated. his Unite questions came just after Tom Watson had spilled some rather hefty beans. and the man has remarkable psycho-kinetic powers which, if they got into the wrong hands, might constitute a threat to our national security:

    “Quite by chance, Murphy happened to be passing near to the Clutha Bar in Stockwell Street, Glasgow on the night of 29 November 2013, shortly after a Police Scotland helicopter crashed onto the roof of the pub, killing 10 people. (including the on-board crew of 3) and injuring 31 others. He was one of the first arrivals on the scene, and assisted the injured before the arrival of the emergency services” (wikipedia)

  • Mary

    The Medialens editors:

    Gaza – ‘the worst we have ever seen’ says MSF medical adviser

    Posted by The Editors on August 1, 2014, 3:04 pm

    Australian Broadcasting Corporation

    Broadcast: 31/07/2014

    Reporter: Sarah Ferguson

    Conditions in Gaza have reached ‘the worst we have ever seen’ says Medecins sans Frontieres medical adviser Michele Beck from Al Shifa hospital.


    Re: Gaza – ‘the worst we have ever seen’ says MSF medical adviser

    Posted by Mark D. on August 1, 2014, 3:23 pm, in reply to “Gaza – ‘the worst we have ever seen’ says MSF medical adviser”

    Seems to me that Israel wants the whole place cleared. It’s going use the surviving Gazans in a game of ‘chicken’ with the rest of the world: no water, no power, no homes, no hospitals, no schools … and the pounding from land, sea, air and media continues, and continues, and continues… So they all need to be evacuated… and, as if by magic, Israel has another 360 sq km of Lebensraum to ‘settle’…

  • Mary

    ‘Callous’ USA must stop arming Israel
    Posted by The Editors on August 1, 2014, 12:35 pm

    The US government must immediately end its deliveries of large quantities of arms to Israel, which are providing the tools to commit further serious violations of international law in Gaza, said Amnesty International, as it called for a total arms embargo on all parties to the conflict.

    The call comes amid reports that the Pentagon has approved the immediate transfer of grenades and mortar rounds to the Israeli armed forces from a US stockpile pre-positioned in Israel, and follows a shipment of 4.3 tons of US-manufactured rocket motors, which arrived in the Israeli port of Haifa on 15 July.

    These deliveries add to more than US$62 million worth of munitions – including guided missile parts and rocket launchers, artillery parts and small arms – already exported from the USA to Israel between January and May this year. Shipments included nearly $27million for “rocket launchers”, $9.3 million of “parts of guided missiles” and nearly $762,000 for “bombs, grenades and munitions of war”. The USA is by far the world’s largest exporter of military equipment to Israel. Since 2012, it has exported $276 million worth of basic weapons and munitions, a figure that excludes exports of military transport equipment and high technologies (see the table at

    The news on 30 July that the USA had allowed the resupply of munitions to Israel came the same day the US government condemned the shelling of a UN school in Gaza which killed at least 20 people, including children and UN humanitarian workers.

    Brian Wood, Head of Arms Control and Human Rights at Amnesty International, said:

    “It is deeply cynical for the White House to condemn the deaths and injuries of Palestinians, including children, and humanitarian workers, when it knows full well that the Israeli military responsible for such attacks are armed to the teeth with weapons and equipment bankrolled by US taxpayers.

    “The US government is adding fuel to the fire by continuing its supply of the type of arms being used by Israel’s armed forces to violate human rights.

    “As the leading arms exporter to Israel, the USA must lead the way and demonstrate its proclaimed respect for human rights and international humanitarian law by urgently suspending arms transfers to Israel and pushing for a UN arms embargo on all parties to the conflict. By failing to do so it is displaying a callous disregard for lives being lost in the conflict on all sides.”

    Amnesty is calling on the UN to immediately impose a comprehensive arms embargo on Israel, Hamas and Palestinian armed groups with the aim of preventing violations of international humanitarian law and human rights by all sides. In the absence of a UN arms embargo, the organisation is calling on all states to unilaterally suspend all transfers of military equipment, assistance and munitions to all parties to the conflict. They should not resume until violations committed in previous conflicts are properly investigated with those responsible brought to justice.

    More than 1,400 Palestinians, mostly civilians, have been killed since Israel began its latest offensive in Gaza on 8 July. At least 56 Israeli soldiers have died in the conflict, as well as three civilians in Israel, including a Thai national.

    Arms to Palestinian groups
    Palestinian armed groups have continued to fire rockets indiscriminately into Israel, endangering civilians in flagrant violation of international law. Amnesty has repeatedly called for an immediate end to such attacks, which amount to war crimes.

    Last week the speaker of the Iranian parliament said Iran had provided arms manufacturing know-how to Hamas in Gaza. In November 2012 he said Iran had given both financial and military support to Hamas, and the Commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards said missile technology has been supplied. Hamas fighters have admitted to firing Iranian-type Fajr 5 missiles towards Tel Aviv, but mostly fire shorter-range M25 or “Qassam” rockets and GRAD rockets.

    UK arms to Israel

    Over 35,000 people have supported an Amnesty call on the Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond to stop UK arms transfers to Israel.

    Amnesty is calling for an immediate suspension of all UK arms transfers to Israel – as well as for pressure to be exerted on those supplying Palestinian groups in Gaza with munitions. Last year the UK sold £6.3m of arms to Israel – in the past, UK-supplied equipment has been used by the Israeli military to commit human rights violations in Gaza.


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  • Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    Nevermind posted a FB protest yesterday and when I shared the link, it kept getting deleted.

    ” Come let’s talk for a moment about Richard Silverstein. This anti-Israel Jewish is a compulsive writer who devotes his time battering everything related to Israel, through disseminating sickening and appalling lies. Right now, he’s promoting his story that the IDF “murdered a soldier” in order to prevent his kidnapping [sic] by Hamas. We can’t remove the blog by the charlatan from Seattle from the web. But his lies, his calumnies, and abuse of a bereaved family (he publishes the name and picture of the IDF soldier “murdered” by the army) it’s possible and desirable to get him removed from Facebook. Friends, report!”

    Also, check out the Hannibal Directive on Wiki.

  • passerby

    My contribution included agreement by both parties. ..blah blah one party would inevitably disagree and therefore does not apply to the proposal. blah ..blah

    Hang on, I need to dust off the banana dust off of my clothes! Who do you take us for?

    What agreement by both parties?

    To use one of the rabbinical stories, to clarify the situation;
    A mugger having severely beaten you up, mugs your wallet, money, credit card, and possessions off of you and then, beats you up some more, whilst blaming you for not being ready, flexible, and enlightened enough to agree the terms with which you both can have access to your wallet, and possessions?

    zionist scum have been using every trick in the book to portray their victims the Palestinians as the aggressors, and deal breakers, whilst stealing more land and more water and killing more Palestinians!

    There is only a one sided agreement; zionist kill, and Palestinians die. zionists steal the lands of Palestinians and Palestinians die. zionist steal the water of the Palestinians and Palestinians die.

    So far as fascism goes, I understand that your standards of evil is based on the SI unit of evil, that hovers around Germans and WWII. Thus anyone who is not German, does not wear boots, and clicks their heels are not fascists of course!

    Fascism is what zionism is, and fascists are those who practice the supremacist creed of zionists or support any such vile creed.

  • Ben-American Fascist Flechette

    Mary; There is some hope the media might be having second thoughts about Israel. I hear softball questions still, of course, but the questions are becoming more pointed and the Israeli representatives are getting restless. I could be thinking wishfully, but I believe some pushback is occurring.

  • Mary

    Commissioner-General Pierre Krähenbühl on Shelling of UNRWA Shelter in Jabalia

    ‘In the early morning of 30 July, a UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) school in Jabalia, in the northern Gaza Strip, which sheltered about 3,300 people, was shelled, resulting in multiple deaths and injuries.

    Initial UNRWA investigations suggest that it was Israeli artillery that hit the school. In his statement, UNRWA Commissioner-General Pierre Krähenbühl condemned the attack “in the strongest possible terms.”

    UNRWA investigating teams have visited the site and gathered evidence. They have analysed fragments and examined craters and other damage. UNRWA believes there were at least three impacts. The Agency points out that the people who suffered the attack had been instructed to leave their homes by Israeli authorities.

    The precise location of the Jabalia Elementary Girls School and the fact that it was housing thousands of internally displaced people had been communicated to the Israeli army 17 times to ensure its protection. The last communication was at 8.50 p.m., just hours before the fatal shelling.

    This is at least the sixth time an UNRWA emergency shelter was struck. There is widespread fear among the displaced and UNRWA staff about the deteriorating security environment.

    Also in Jabalia, on 29 July, a staff member was killed while driving an UNRWA vehicle. Earlier that day, two UNRWA staff members died when an explosive projectile struck a private home in Nuseirat. UNRWA has so far lost eight staff members since beginning of hostilities.

    Amid intensified fighting and in anticipation of a flood of new displacements, the Agency has reached a breaking point. UNRWA is now providing shelter to at least 219,657 displaced Palestinian civilians in 86 shelters in all five areas of the Gaza Strip, and the influx continues.’

  • Jack Fletcher

    Passerby: thanks for the story which is a good illustration. I think it is indeed a good example. By extension, the person being mugged comes potentially to an agreement which they feel is wrong. But ultimately in the wider prospect of existence they agree. My point is that external observers telling everyone what is right and wrong for two parties to decide can only unnaturally perverse the possibility of a solution. If, ok big if, they agree, then do people with less equity have the right to judge a solution is wrong? In your mugging example, if you tell someone they are wrong to give up their wallet even if they wish to in order to preserve their life, who is taking responsibility for action and response? You are saying they are wrong. They feel it is essential. If they get killed as a result of following your self-determined instructions will you blame them or yourself?

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