Met worse than Murdoch

by craig on July 26, 2014 9:27 am in Uncategorized

The revelation that undercover Met officers spied on the family of Jean Charles De Menezes after they murdered him, leaves me utterly appalled.

You have to consider this in the context of the lies that the Met assiduously spread about De Menezes – that he entered the tube without buying a ticket, that he vaulted the ticket gates, that he ran away from officers, that he was wearing a bulky jacket.

All of these were lies. In truth the poor man had entered the tube normally and legally, walked calmly and sat down with a free newspaper. He wore a short tight denim jacket. Then totally without any cause or justification from his actions whatsoever, his murderers shot him multiple times in the head. Just because his Brazilian complexion looked a bit Arab.

I can think of no category of lie worse than that told by a murderer against the reputation of their victim.

The police did everything they could to mislead the media, planting lies and encouraging stories they knew to be untrue. Personally I find it extremely suspicious that numerous CCTV cameras were found not to be working, and have little doubt that the police destroyed that evidence.

There can be no other motive for spying on De Menezes’ family than either the hope of gaining information to feed to the media to discredit the man they murdered, or to attempt to pervert the course of justice.

They did not have to worry – their were plenty of others to pervert the course of justice for them, including the DPP and above all, Sir Michael Wright, as disgusting a piece of scum as ever sat on an English bench, who directed the inquest jury that they could not return a verdict of unlawful killing. (I was delighted to find that, when I googled Sir Michael Wright, my article on him came high on the first page. Is that result tailored by Google for me, or is it general?)

The recent revelation that the Met spied on Menezes’ family sparked very little public interest. It should. It is a still more appalling outrage than the Murdoch press hacking Millie Dowler. At least the Murdoch gang had not actually murdered Millie Dowler themselves. The De Menezes family were being spied on by their son’s and brother’s murderers.

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  1. I’m speechless.

  2. I thought of the difference between virtue and piety, and saw that virtue is the doing of good, whereas piety is the avoidance of ‘wrong’.

    In a world dominated by PC orthodoxy, and quota filling, the society will become ever more pious and less virtuous, simply because it is an easier state to achieve, especially if you have a vigorous ego but little talent to match it.

    Giving more power to the State will increase malfeasance, as the talentless displace the virtuous, all the new power must be there to direct the cover-up of the ensuing systematic incompetence.

  3. Now whoa, whoa, just calm down – these revelations merely present themselves as opportune criteria for a nice little bit of promotional CV action to reach the dizzy heights of, what is it now, Asst Commissioner. I think you’ll find that senior ranks have to undergo their ACPO training in shooting dead random people (and usually chucking a few bags of crack in their pocket does the trick) but young Jean stupidly had witnesses which gave the selection panel all the evidence they needed in picking the right candidate.

    Sir Hugh Orde – now there’s larks!

    Cheers Craig – have a good weekend dude

  4. Your 2008 article is 4th in my Google search. I have not read it before but will do now.

  5. What a terrible tragedy this was for Jean Charles’ family! What can we expect from a country that has enacted 8 anti-terror acts since the turn of the century, mostly targeting Muslims, though of course this young man was just mistaken for a Muslim. Even worse is the Justice and Security Act (2013) which was introduced to protect our secret services’ identities in cases in which Muslims were tortured, or any other cause to which it could be applied. All these acts need serious scrutiny, if not abolition,

  6. That we are all spied on goes without saying. When Facebook or any other networking site asks you to complete your profile it is not for the benefit of your friends.

  7. Google result:

    “Craig Murray – Blog Archive – The Disgraceful Sir Michael Wright, A …”

    Fourth entry on the first page for me. That’s my first Google search today. My router was off overnight so so it should be my first search from the IP address I was assigned half an hour ago. My browser had no Google cookie to submit.

  8. The thing that intrigued me was the revelation at the inquest that one of the police officers had altered his notes. He removed the line recording Cressida Dick saying Jean Charles de Menezes could ‘run onto tube as not carrying anything’, and she was overruled by an unidentified male in command. Who was that male? He seemed to be ordering the hit even though they knew JCdM was not a threat.

  9. Absolutely and completely disgusting-at the same unsurprising. We have at present an improved variation on Orwell’s dystopian vision. We also now know we are being watched-but for how much of our daily 24/7/?

  10. “Just because his Brazilian…” – I can’t help leaning towards the idea that there is much much more to this assassination, because not one thread of the official narrative makes any sense at all. I think it perfectly reasonable to believe this specific person was murdered (i.e. there is a motive behind his killing)

  11. “There can be no other motive for spying on De Menezes’ family” – Yes there can. To discover if anyone knew if JCdM left an “Insurance policy”.

  12. that he was wearing a bulky jacket.

    You forgot to add; “with bare wires sticking out of the jacket”!

    Alas the credulity of the middle-class, this is the tip of the iceberg, the much bigger and wider net is hidden in plain sight.

  13. now imagine, what would stories or late court decisions have been if instead of non-muslim and non-arab De Menezes their had been an inncoent muslim of arab origin? Would we still have the truth about this man’s innocence today?
    This country is turning into soviet style regime more rapidly. Do we still have time to stop this horrible process? I am in ever more doubt day by day.

  14. JimmyGiro, 9:44 am; that’s an excellent systemic description. I’ve been vaguely thinking something similar for years; thanks for expressing it so clearly.

  15. douglas clark

    26 Jul, 2014 - 11:24 am

    Craig,

    There is something fundamentally wrong.

    We could, probably, agree in principle that the state should have the sole right to violence in a democracy. The alternative, that we should have the right to bear arms does not seem to me to be a paticularily valid option. Extreme breakdowns of the afoesaid state as exemptions, obviously.

    But, the right of the state to bear arms over us, being the sole supplier of violent solutions appears completely unmoderated.

    At what point were we consulted on the extent to which the state would exercise it’s authority without accountability? And it is this latter point, accountability, that is the worry.

    It is something more than spin when armed officers are given complete immunity from prosecution when they unload on a suspect. The issue of judgement – the risk they were at themselves, the danger to the public – are invariably biased for the killer rather than the killed.

    The Met’s actions in relation to the family of Jean Charles De Menezes is just icing on the cake of a constabulary that reports to the Queen and not to the people. No doubt they employ people to smear victims of their own incompetence. But it is down to us to at least make some prosecutions stick.

    I have no idea whatsoever how we can move away from this imapassé.

  16. I understand your reasoning ‘Just Saying’ and we are blessed with a man who risks his life exposes the Establishments atrocious wicked face. It is here on CraigMurray we question the Neo-Con narratives even though it seems we are not allowed and run the risk of being accused as a Putin apologist or conspiracy theorist; a ‘trooffer’ if you will.

    The face has an ugly mind that will accuse Russia of a crime even before the poor bodies of MH17 were cold. Keep in mind that Malaysia is an independently minded country that has indicted Bush and Blair for war crimes.

    Ukraine backed by the West is butchering its own people while Israel having murdered over 700 civilians mostly women and children in Gaza is deemed innocent. The double standards are barbaric and inhuman.

    Simply you are either with us, the enlightened or the NeoCon terrorists who without a doubt from good evidence will murder its own people such as 2001, 2005, with proxies such as ISIS, NATO or al-Qaeda and this ‘cleansing’ IS open-ended, unfolding and extant.

  17. I thought of the difference between virtue and piety, and saw that virtue is the doing of good, whereas piety is the avoidance of ‘wrong’.

    Well said JimmyGiro, Sir Michael Wright in this case taking a leaf out of Pontius Pilate’s book, unctuously washing his (ie the establishment’s) hands for the express purpose of ‘avoiding’ the wrong.

    Sub narrative of this case with a Sir Humphery Appleby type scenario:

    ‘He’s got a safe pair of hands and will do a good whitewash, ahem I mean job Prime Minister, he’s the ‘right’ man to do it Prime Minister’

    ‘Very droll Humphery’

    ‘If he gets this right Prime Minister, perhaps he could be useful elsewhere…?’

    ‘What are you up to Humphery’

    ‘Nothing Prime Minister’

    ‘These fuckups,, I mean misfortunes of our security services really have to be ventilated but have to be handled carefully Humpy, is he really safe?’

    ‘Indeed he is Prime Minister, we were at Oxford together.’

    Really sickening that finding. Normally I would never call any judge ‘scum’, especially in court :-) but I think Craig can be excused on this occasion

  18. Newspaper reports at the time claimed it was soldiers from the Special Reconnaissance Regiment, not police, who did the shooting. If you Google them you get some interesting stuff. There is definitely something strange about this case, police told the Observer they knew he was not a threat, but still he was taken down, by an SAS unit.

  19. @Tito: Agreed. But one thing is for sure… we aren’t going to change anything by moaning about it.

    We didn’t even manage to change our programmed MPs minds by the 2 million march…

    However, the MPs that voted against war with Syria brings some cause for comfort. I understand that minds were changed through the sheer volume of constituents posting to constituency offices. POSTING… ie real letters, not using electronic media! We can all do that.

  20. Shameful as is DRIP

  21. Just out of interest, what was CDM job, his qualifications? Who was his employer or who had he been working for in the previous months?

  22. Your article came 4th on google uk (for several searches using an the Tor anonimity tool).

  23. Lovely picture on twitter as people gather for today’s demonstration:

    https://twitter.com/jackieschneider/status/492987074568814592/photo/1

    Any guesses how long before the BBC are shamed into reporting what is happening today in central London? They wouldn’t have relented last week if it wasn’t for peoples’ actions via twitter.

  24. CCTV never works when the system is covering their wrondoing.Its a red flag that they are lying.Ian Tomlinson, 7/7, 9/11, etc….
    Missing radar MH370….

  25. @LeeJ: George Orwell said it all in his book. Trouble is… 1984 arrived and no sign of Big Brother, so people lost interest. And now, another generation… most haven’t even heard of “1984”!.

  26. Hi Lee,

    Could you expand on your theories regarding missing CCTV footage of 9/11 and 7/7?

    I’ve heard it said that 9/11 was a hoax and there were in fact no planes. Are you expounding no planes theory” or the hologram version?

  27. Re the Met Police Menezes lies – several of them maintained even up to the end that he acted suspiciously because at Brixton en route he had got off and back on the bus etc.. Brixton Station has been closed early since the evening before including of course all morning on the day of Menezes murder. Police must have known hands down that very very many folk were having to get back on local buses like Menezes. They used these verbals to try and justify his eventual murder even up to the very end. Cressida Dick joined the fit-up too. These are cops who are supposed to have well primed critical intellects. Next up? Tomlinson of course and he got the verbals treatment really big time too.

  28. Tfs

    “Just out of interest, what was CDM job, his qualifications? Who was his employer or who had he been working for in the previous months?”

    I don’t know but it must have been well paid as be was able to afford cocaine. The cocaine in his system at the time of the shooting might have led to agitated behaviour, arousing suspicions that led to the tragic mistake.

  29. @Anon: Sorry to cut in on this, but the “hoaxers” are probably a smokescreen. Of course there’s no doubt that 9/11 happened. It is what happened afterwards that is so disturbing. If 19 Saudi nationals were identified as responsible, why did the neocons invade Afghanistan? Most likely answer… because they wanted to invade Afghanistan anyway and released information to support their opportunist agenda.

    The mm won’t post pictures of the demonstration in London for the same reason – it doesn’t fit the agenda.

  30. @Anon: that cocaine reference show you up as part of the propaganda campaign.

  31. KingofWelshNoir, 11:56 am; thanks for that:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Reconnaissance_Regiment#Shooting_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

    On 22 July 2005 Jean Charles de Menezes was shot dead by armed police officers on a London Underground train at Stockwell tube station. Three media reports carry unconfirmed assertions by unattributed UK government sources that SRR personnel were involved in the intelligence collection effort leading to the shooting and on the tube train whilst the offensive action occurred. A partial Ministry of Defence response was reported by the Sunday Times.[10][11][12]

    The Special Reconnaissance Regiment. They’re the ones trained to stab themselves through the mouth with their own sword:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f4/Special_Reconnaissance_Regiment_%28crest%29.jpg

  32. John Goss

    “What a terrible tragedy this was for Jean Charles’ family! What can we expect from a country that has enacted 8 anti-terror acts since the turn of the century, mostly targeting Muslims, though of course this young man was just mistaken for a Muslim.”

    It ought to be said that the spying on Menezes’ family came to light as a result of an inquiry, that the Met itself told the family’s lawyer about the spying and that it has been reported throughout the media. The family will now be given a large compensation pay out.

    All of which is, of course, is in stark contrast to Brazil, Russia or any of the other countries preferred by the MWL on here, where innocent people are regularly gunned down by police and it isn’t even reported.

  33. “@Anon: Sorry to cut in on this, but the “hoaxers” are probably a smokescreen. ”

    Is this a conspiracy on top of a conspiracy? Are you saying that the Powers That Be (PTB) have planted hologram hoaxers within the Truth Movement to divert attention from what really happened, that the American government brought the buildings down in a controlled demolition?

  34. Please, Passerby, I’m trying to eat my lunch!

  35. Clark, yes they were also the ones caught at the police checkpoint in Iraq dressed as Arabs in a car full of explosives. They tried to shoot their way out, got arrested, and the British Army busted them out of jail Wild West style.

  36. LOL, Anon! If you can’t be bothered to engage with me, then perhaps you may be aware of Fahrenheit 9/11. Did you think that was a pack of lies?

  37. Hi Peacewisher

    No I don’t know about ‘Farenheit 9/11’. Is it a book or a film? Perhaps you could outline for me some of the central points and then we can engage.

  38. 9/11 No photo of a plane hitting Pentagon
    7/7 CCTV footage of mysterious car removed from camera at Luton Station and other inconsistencies.
    Just for a couple of examples.

  39. I think you do, Anon.

  40. Anon

    Don’t be so conspiracy smeary.

    To simply dismiss the possibility of state operations which propagate extreme theories to undermine real theories about state business is plain stupid. Or do you still believe the alien abduction stories?

  41. Menzies was not killed by mistake. He was an engineer on the London Underground and saw something that he was not supposed to have seen prior to 7/7. Why else would there be such a huge conspiracy to cover up his killing and promote all senior met officers for a job well done!

  42. Here’s a nice picture, Anon. Maybe they are all extras paid for by Michael Moore…

    https://twitter.com/Polka_bug/status/493008681722998784/photo/1

  43. The police sometimes respond to intelligence information with excessive adrenalin because alerts have been triggered in the system. They find it extremely difficult to switch off the adrenalin if the security alert turns out to be a false alarm.

    Sometimes my own persecutors (who are trying to stop the self-evident truth of Islam taking hold in the UK), react unprofessionally to me winding them up. They are simply not capable of digesting our exposure of the truth and their masters’ false-flag monster of Muslim extremism at the same time.

    I once burned out a customer’s Rolls Royce computer because I had left the foot-controlled handbrake on. I just thought the car was not working very well. Rolls Royce do not admit to faults in their machines. Similarly with the police with Jean Charles De Menenes, poor soul.

  44. At the time of his murder, we weren’t supposed to know about NSA and GCHQ spying or false-flag terrorism, so an investigation into human error would have exposed too many secrets about Her Majesty’s methods of staying on her stinky FID. DEF. throne.

  45. “missing CCTV footage of 9/11 and 7/7”

    The key missing CCTV footage re 911 is footage of the Pentagon incident. Several cameras will have caught it but we’ve only been allowed to see four measly frames, which show nothing of note, not even a plane.

    The key missing CCTV footage re 7/7 is footage of the alleged bombers getting on the train at Luton or alighting at King’s Cross on the morning in question. We’ve only been allowed to see one measly frame of them entering Luton station, but this appears to have been doctored and may date from an earlier occasion.

    There are odd bits of CCTV footage that do exist but I believe the above are the main missing items.

  46. “Menzies was not killed by mistake. He was an engineer on the London Underground and saw something that he was not supposed to have seen prior to 7/7.”

    What did he see, Khan. Do tell.

  47. Hi MJ

    What do you think really happened on 7/7? As far as I can recall the bombers posted video evidence of their intentions online, but perhaps you have an alternative theory?

  48. He was an engineer on the London Underground and saw something that he was not supposed to have seen prior to 7/7.

    Khan or anyone – have you some evidence to back this. I want to advise my friends at J7.

    These are the Jean Charles de Menezes Inquest Transcripts & Evidence from the J7 site.

    http://julyseventh.co.uk/j7-jean-charles-de-menezes-inquest/index.html

    Credit & special thanks to Ant & Bridget xx

  49. Peacewisher

    Hand on heart I have never heard of ‘Farenheit 9/11’. Could you please provide a rough outline of what it is about and then perhaps we can engage in a discussion.

  50. Sir Michael Wright is a paid up member of the Establishment, also a Freemason. He is not about to upset the applecart and put his cosy little sinecure in danger. The Security service also have some compromising material as to his strange peccadiloes. Do not expect justice in British Court of Law.If you are up against the System. you are guilty unless you have friends in HIGH PLACES as in the Rebekah Brooks farce.
    Another good reason for Scottish Independece.

  51. “What do you think really happened on 7/7?”

    Sorry, I have no theories. I was just drawing attention to the missing evidence. If there was reliable footage of them boarding at Luton and alighting at King’s Cross at certain times I’d doubtless surmise that they got on and off at those times and locations, which would be a start.

    Prerecorded videos posted online are not evidence of what actually happened that day, CCTV footage is.

  52. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    26 Jul, 2014 - 2:12 pm

    Anon 26 Jul, 2014 – 12:45 pm

    “I’ve heard it said that 9/11 was a hoax and there were in fact no planes. Are you expounding no planes theory” or the hologram version?”

    Are those the only conspiracy theories about 911 that you’ve heard, Anon?
    If so, you should do some research rather than display your ignorance.
    If not, you reveal a lot about yourself by referencing those theories rather than more plausible ones.

  53. Node

    “You reveal a lot about yourself by referencing those theories rather than more plausible ones.”

    For crying out loud, Node! All I want to know about is the more plausible theories. Can you separate the wheat from the chaff here, enlighten me as to what really happened, because no one seems forthcoming.

  54. you reveal a lot about yourself by referencing those theories rather than more plausible ones.

    Anon does not repeat, does not do subtlety there is a need for crayons and drawing pads.

  55. Anyone else on here never heard of “Fahrenheit 9/11”?

  56. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    26 Jul, 2014 - 2:26 pm

    Thanks Craig, this story goes to the heart of solit loyalties and vested interests thnat are ripping the whole system apart.

    The Met, public services, police in general, are still harbouring one of the least tackled discrepancies today which covers up some hiodeous crimes and which should be the issue to tackle in the 21st century.

    FREEMASONRY! Men who pledge an oath of loyalty to a secret society of men. They should now be outed as what they are, manipulators of the law, of regulations and of society.

    Name a freemason today! Public services should work to serve us all, women, children and men. Freemasonry and party politics both have ruined Britain. Peadophiles could get away with what they were doing because they were protected by these secret organisation, pervading the MI’s and their hold on the establishment, their influence in the appointment of just about anyone in the public sphere, safe hands to keep up the facade.

    Thanks for this Craig.
    BTW. Is the Met telling us that they did not have a phonefix on to whoever accessed Millie’s phone and/or manipulated her personal account?

    I think that the whole inquiery into this sad saga was cut short because it threatened to stop Scotland Yard from working, with corridors full of vitally shredded materials blocking the day to day workplace….
    And for what it might have exposed. One could say that this country, ala Belgium, is covering up a huge scandal, and the Met, and other forces are up to their necks in it.
    Am I the only one who thinks this? I let you answer the question.

  57. nevermind, it will happen anyway

    26 Jul, 2014 - 2:27 pm

    that is ‘split loyalties’

  58. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    26 Jul, 2014 - 2:31 pm

    Anon 26 Jul, 2014 – 2:21 pm
    “For crying out loud, Node! All I want to know about is the more plausible theories. Can you separate the wheat from the chaff here, enlighten me as to what really happened, because no one seems forthcoming.”

    Please answer my question: are those two 911 theories you referenced the only 911 conspiracy theories that you have heard?

  59. Peacewisher

    “Anyone else on here never heard of “Fahrenheit 9/11″?”

    Dear God. I’m sure everyone here has it beside their bed, but for the unenlightened, CAN YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS ABOUT. Why are you so afraid?

  60. Node

    “Please answer my question: are those two 911 theories you referenced the only 911 conspiracy theories that you have heard?”

    Yes, what others are there? Why are you so afraid of discussing them?

  61. God there’s an awful lot of coyness here.

  62. I heard at the time that he worked with London transport as an electrician. Does it say anwhere on the inquest who his employer was ?
    I remember also at the time, photo’s from the trains showing holes in the floor,metal bent up the way.Haven’t seen them since.
    And it is fishy when suudenly there is a CCTV black out on all the camera’s that would’ve sown what happened on and off the train….as there was on 7/7.You can’t fart in public without it being filmed unless it is something of extreme importance…. then its not just one camera out of order… it’s a series,from train platforms ,busses and tube stations and tube’s themselves.I bet that company lost their contract, NOT !!
    Dubai showed the world how CCTV can identify and follow murderers. Mossad in this case.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzzzTtpo8AY
    The best that Scotland Yard can do is hastily arranged stills that didn’t fit the narrative… British rail doesn’t always run on time.

  63. It was in 2005 that Conservative MP Andrew Tyrie became Founding Chairman of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Extraordinary Rendition that examined the issue of extraordinary rendition and other related issues of State criminality. Tyrie quoted the ‘right honourable’ Jack Straw MP as saying:

    “Unless we all start to believe in conspiracy theories and that the officials are lying, that I am lying, that behind this there is some kind of secret state which is in league with some dark forces in the United States… there simply is no truth in the claims that the United Kingdom had been involved in rendition.”

    In late October 2012 Ian Cobain, in his book Cruel Brittainia, disclosed that Britain had been advised “within days” of 11th September 2001 of the American’s plans to abduct ‘suspects’ and transport them to secret military prisons around the world. Cobain also revealed that “MI5 and MI6 officers carried out around 100 interrogations at the US prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Guantanamo’s Camp Seven didn’t officially exist for two years owing to a conspiracy to keep its existence secret, and it is there the CIA abuses and violates ‘interrogates’ its 14 choice alleged ‘terrorists’ and for which a $49 million request for a Camp Seven revamp has recently been submitted by the United States Southern Command.

    In light of these revelations it’s worth re-considering Jack Straw’s words:

    “Unless we all start to believe in conspiracy theories and that the officials are lying, that I am lying, that behind this there is some kind of secret state which is in league with some dark forces in the United States… there simply is no truth in the claims that the United Kingdom had been involved in rendition.”

    For the avoidance of doubt and in Straw’s own words, everyone was right to believe in the rendition and torture “conspiracy theories”; right to believe “that the officials [were] lying”; right to believe that “[Jack Straw was] lying” and, further, right to believe “there is some kind of secret state which is league with some dark forces in the United States.”

    Another so called conspiracy theory was, in a relatively short period of time, exposed as a conspiracy fact. Better still, we have in the words of Jack Straw official confirmation of the existence of a “secret state” that operates hidden from public view, thereby making the age old “conspiracy theory” about the existence of an international Secret State, officially, a “conspiracy fact”.

    J7 Update

  64. Anon: CAN YOU PLEASE use GooGle and stop shouting ! Or are you unenlightened ’bout that too ?

  65. Donny

    Just tell me. Why are you so shy?

  66. Khan

    We all see and hear things we are not supposed to know. We are not supposed to know that ISIS/ Islamic Emirate took permission for attacking Mosul and Baghdad from the Chief intelligence officer, Barzani’s son, of Kurdistan, the Israel-affiliated Chief intelligence officer of Jordan, from US intelligence head, from William Hague FCO, and of several heads of banned Islamic groups.

    We only know because the Israeli -backed PKK leaked the info.

    So we are not supposed to know that the Islamic Emirate is a tool for the creation of the Greater Israel in the lands of Syria and Iraq. We are not supposed to know that Israel regards Kurdistan and Afghanistan as belonging to the lost tribes of Judaea after Allah dispersed them for their idolatry and brutality.

    We are not supposed to know that the warring Jihadists have massacred thousands of practising Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Libya, and Africa on the basis that they were deficient in their practise of Islam. We are supposed as Muslims to respect their brutal violence on a basis of trust in the same way the English are supposed to respect the police’s brutal violence on a basis of trust.

    Political Islam and the Zionist West are the same thing. Live with it. Put up with it. The way to put Islam and truth up. so far as I’m concerned, is not to hope that the enemies of Islam are going to do it for you. Political Muslim leaders are beyond stupidity and so are the Zionists. We have to make another plan to show the real nature of Islam through the ways of our prophet peace be upon him.

    The Companions of our prophet were not permitted to remain in Mecca under a political agreement with their enemies, the idol-worshippers. But every boy in the Benefit Britain mosques is chatting about when they went and when they plan to go to Syria.
    oh we weren’t supposed to know that either.

    They are supposed to emigrate to a place that is run and controlled by Islam. Hence the need for Israel to create such a place, to legitimise jihad (their use of Jihadists to carve out a Greater Israel for them) in the eyes of the Muslims.

    This is all very old stuff, and well past its sell-by date. I was being promised the Arab spring and Caliphate 12 years ago by those who knew about the Zionist plans. Now that we see the mountains of destruction in those Muslim countries, Political Islam is finally exposed as a total fraud and a waste of time.

  67. For a start, there’s the “magic arab” theory. Briefly, this proposes that 4 regular US domestic flights were hijacked by 19 muslim fanatics, armed only with box-cutters and under the control of a fiendish matermind in a cave in Afghanistan, who managed to evade all security and take control of said planes, which they steered with pinpoint precision into WTC and the Pentagon.

    Before you laugh I should point out that there is actually some evidence to support this theory. It was briefly run past us on September 13, but isn’t referred to much these days. Curiously, those who propose this particular theory are often in my experience the least likely to know or remember what the evidence actually is and are most reluctant to discuss the matter.

  68. Seems the CCTV on the London underground, and on the occasional bus, has a habit of breaking down at key moments…

  69. For a comprehensive discussion of the events of 9/11 this is worth your time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DOnAn_PX6M

  70. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    26 Jul, 2014 - 3:12 pm

    Google result:

    “Craig Murray – Blog Archive – The Disgraceful Sir Michael Wright, A …”

    Fourth entry on the first page for me. That’s my first Google search today. My router was off overnight so so it should be my first search from the IP address I was assigned half an hour ago. My browser had no Google cookie to submit.

    What did you enter in the search bar? I should be fully equipped with surveillance tools from Google, and it would be interesting to compare notes.

  71. “For a start, there’s the “magic arab” theory.”

    What is ‘magic’ about hijacking a plane, MJ? Clearly you do not believe the planes were hijacked, so it is fair to ask what you do believe. Don’t be shy, lay it out. I promise you there is absolutely no reason to be afraid. Variety is the spice of life!

  72. Anon. One can only guess you’ve hit your head and forgotten how to spell Habbabuk.

  73. Lwtc247

    Please inform readers what your name stands for.

  74. Anon, there are very few moderation policy rules here at Craig’s, but not diverting threads onto 9/11 is one of them, which could explain why you’re not getting answers. Here, this might help:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farenheit_911

  75. is it spelt BBCHijack?

  76. I was inviting someone remind us of the evidence supporting the hijack theory, which is perhaps the most commonly held theory and therefore deserves a little scrutiny before we move on to other ones. It’s not a trick, there is some evidence to support the theory. Don’t be shy, lay it out. I promise you there is absolutely no reason to be afraid.

  77. Ba’al Zevul, 3:12 pm; my search string:

    Sir Michael Wright

  78. or CCTVHabit?

  79. ------------·´`·.¸¸.¸¸.··.¸¸Node

    26 Jul, 2014 - 3:32 pm

    Anon 26 Jul, 2014 – 2:39 pm

    “Yes [those are the only 911 conspiracy theories I have heard], what others are there? Why are you so afraid of discussing them?”

    I’m not afraid of discussing them, in fact I would enjoy discussing them with someone in good faith. However, you don’t qualify. Your claim is implausible, like someone claiming the only thing he knows about Tony Blair is that he is a committed Christian.

    Most of us come here to discuss things in good faith. The honest exchange of beliefs is a powerful mechanism for clarifying thought. Several people pooling their opinions and knowledge can lead to a deeper understanding for all involved, including onlookers.

    For some reason a few like to disrupt this exchange, probably for diverse reasons – ideological; attention-seeking; to protect those that the truth might damage. Your claims are blatantly dishonest so you’re not ideologically motivated, and I can’t have a discussion in good faith with the other two types. Therefore, I will not discuss my 911 beliefs with you, except to say this : some people try to inhibit understanding of what happened that day by disrupting discussion about it.

  80. Clark

    “Anon, there are very few moderation policy rules here at Craig’s, but not diverting threads onto 9/11 is one of them, which could explain why you’re not getting answers.”

    Bollocks, Clark. All sorts of crackpots here have been suggesting conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 and 7/7, I’ve been asking for clarification. The idea that I’m not getting answers because they’re sticking to the rules having previously broken them is laughable, as you well know.

  81. Node

    Why won’t you discuss your ‘9/11 beliefs’? I’m not disrupting discussion about it, I’m encouraging it. What do you believe?

  82. The 9/11 thread has been reopened for comments. Further 9/11 discussion here will be deleted.

    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2010/01/the_911_post/comment-page-10/

  83. douglas clark

    26 Jul, 2014 - 3:42 pm

    Craig,

    Oh dear,

    Your chums on here, the btl commentators, are a bunch of fruit loops.

    That is quite sad, for your own commentary deserves a bit better than this.

  84. Nice one, MJ! There’s also that conspiracy theory that after 10 years of sanctions, inspections, and the gradual starvation of his people, Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction.

    There was even a more outrageous version of the WMD theory that said these WMD could hit us in 45 minutes. Rumour had it that this was displayed on the front page of the most popular paper in Britain, so some thought must have been true.

    Thankfully, none believes these conspiracy theories now, but the same storytellers are still at work. Well. you can fool some of the people some of the time…

  85. With the search term “Sir Michael Wright” Startpage delivers Craig’s 2008 article as the third result.

  86. “There’s also that conspiracy theory that after 10 years of sanctions, inspections, and the gradual starvation of his people, Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction”

    Any conspiracy theory worth the name will be based on at least one piece of evidence. On that basis the WMD theory doesn’t qualify for the label.

  87. “There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.”

    Oscar Wilde

    I guess the current version of “Anon” is one of those trolls or shills that Edward Snowden talked about originating from one of our great spy agencies to disrupt dissent in blogs such as this.

    Personally I think it is fine to talk about these individuals and their intentions but never to make the mistake of entering into dialogue with them or answering any of their facile questions especially when the answer is only a few mouse clicks away on google.

  88. LOL, MJ

    Wasn’t there some evidence about Saddam getting yellowcake from Nigeria. Apparently looked very suspicious to many. Could even be used as the payload (!)

  89. “Wasn’t there some evidence about Saddam getting yellowcake from Nigeria”

    No. It was proven to be fake, almost on day one.

  90. But that bit didn’t fit the theory, MJ, so we wouldn’t have been told… oh yes, then there was the great ogre who took babies from incubators, and let them die on the floor, and such people could do anything….

    wasn’t that true either?

  91. ” The recent revelation that the Met spied on Menezes’ family sparked very little public interest. ”

    Possibly because it didn’t come as much of a surprise. I think most people will remember the smear campaign, the lies and the cover up but we’ve been here before.

    http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/met-spied-on-lawrence-family

  92. Ba'al Zevul (With Gaza)

    26 Jul, 2014 - 5:32 pm

    Clark –

    No. 4 on my search (Google.com, not UK)

    Well done, Craig.

  93. Something I noticed about Google recently when I was searching for a specific comment; searching on a specific phrase, on the specific site craigmurray.org.uk, returns no results on google.com. It only works on google.co.uk.

  94. My latter point, about Iraq news late 2002/early 2003, was that if people at the top of government were telling blatant lies, and getting away with it, this despicable behaviour was bound to descend the food chain. There was even lying in high level reports… e.g. not quoting sources (for obvious reasons!)… in the dodgy dossier.

    And once trust has gone, it is difficult to get back.

  95. “And once trust has gone, it is difficult to get back.”

    Specifically, trust has to be earned, whereas the opposite has happened.

  96. searching on a specific phrase, on the specific site craigmurray.org.uk, returns no results on google.com. It only works on google.co.uk.

    There be shenanigans afoot in the robot.txt file

    =====

    Iraq news late 2002/early 2003, was that if people at the top of government were telling blatant lies, and getting away with it, this despicable behaviour was bound to descend the food chain. There was even lying in high level reports… e.g. not quoting sources (for obvious reasons!)… in the dodgy dossier.

    Whence any state engages in criminal conduct as standard, ultimately her citizen will follow suit. Justice Jackson

  97. The word ‘murder’ is being misused. The killing of Menezes was a tragic error. If the police initially believed that Menezes was a terrorist, this would explaining their spying on his family. I imagine that such activity declined once it became evident that a terrible mistake had been made.

  98. No Abe they spied on his family AFTER the killing when the family were trying to get some justice and discover the truth.

    This is Cressida Dick, “Gold Commander” on the day of the Stockwell shooting, giving a very dismal interview after the Lee Rigby verdict.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25446194

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