“It’s not often you see me and Gordon Brown in complete agreement” says Cameron.
Voting to invade Iraq?
Voting to Bomb Libya?
Bailing out the fatcat bankers with 60,000 pounds from every family in the UK?
Supporting Trident missiles?
Opposing curbs on bankers bonuses?
Supporting the security state?
Supporting the Private Finance Initiative?
Supporting “Private Provision of Services” in the NHS?
Supporting deregulation of the financial services industry?
Supporting cuts in corporation tax?
Supporting privatisation of railways and utilities?
Supporting arms sales to Saudi Arabia?
etc. etc. etc.
Get rid of the Red Tories and the Blue Tories. Vote for independence.
Good point. And for those of us, in England, I don’t mind waiting till after the Scottish vote, but then can we have a campaign here, too?
Great stuff Craig.
New Labour compromised socialist principles. That’s a reason to argue for them more vigorously, not break up the UK.
Abe Rene,
Looks like Scotland wants more principles,period.
Youre really missing the curve of the mood i think.
We in England do not want these neoliberals either.
Jives,
“Scotland wants more principles, period.”
That would be a fair reflection of the mood but what makes you, and others who subscribe to that view, think that Scottish politicians in an independent country would be any more principled or that the body politic would be more principled?
I don’t buy into the idea that the Scottish electorate and those they elect are more altruistic than the those in the rest of the UK.
Mary,
You may not want the ‘neoliberals’ but the majority of the country who do vote for the three main parties must be happy with their policies. Not sure what qualifies you to speak on behalf of all English people.
PM: Referendum Not About Kicking ‘Effing Tories’
As the PM hits the campaign trail with a speech in Edinburgh Alex Salmond brands his trip a “last-gasp piece of desperation”.
http://news.sky.com/story/1333151/pm-referendum-not-about-kicking-effing-tories
The decline in turnout at general elections (even worse in by elections and the EU elections) is indicative of the lack of interest in the ‘political’ system. The candidates and the parties are indistinguishable from each other. We have no electoral choices.
http://www.ukpolitical.info/Turnout45.htm
UK has had its chance to get rid of the red/blue tories – but have failed over and over again to do so – Scotland has a right to be independent if it so chooses. So would Wales and arguably the North of England which is just as different culturally and ethnically from the South. But I don’t think the North is viable economically alone anymore having been asset stripped systematically since Thatcher.
Mick,
Im talking about what the Scottish people want,as im reading the mood up here.
No guarantees with any politicians,of course,but at least the electorate would have them more directly accountable to Scotland than Westminster.
Well said,Craig.
If being heartfelt is describing the fucking Tories as ‘effin’ Tories’ then Geoffrey Howe’s ravaged by a dead sheep has a new significance.
And all the time we thought that BLiar was the actor.
‘Latest
“The Daily Mail’s James Chapman says he thinks David Cameron was “close to tears” as he made the case for the unions.”
Leaders visit Scotland to campaign for no’
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/scottish-independence-blog/live/2014/sep/10/scottish-independence-referendum-cameron-miliband-and-clegg-visit-scotland-to-campaign-for-no-live
Cameron effin foolishly and condescendingly plays the effin Rab C Nesbitt effin caricature card.
Yet another mistake and mis-reading of the mood here.
Mick says: “You may not want the ‘neoliberals’ but the majority of the country who do vote for the three main parties must be happy with their policies.”
Rather, MSM ensures that no other option would appear viable. That other policies are “beyond the pale”
I expect Cameron tae like pure start swallyin’ oan a bottle ay Buckie any moment ma man eh,ken?
He pure kens whit us Jocks is aw aboot eh,aye?
Mary et al
Take a good look at the Green Party’s policies. They had a very respectable showing at the European Elections (almost completely ignored by the MSM of course, despite beating the Lib Dems in many areas, whilst the rise of UKIP was explored and promoted to the nth degree).
A growing number of people are being switched on to the fact that the Greens policies are actually in the interests of them and their families, representing social democracy in it’s truest sense, unlike the Westminster con-sensus.
But like the momentum towards Scottish independence, don’t expect this revolution to be televised.
Cameron to Yes supporter:
” haw you ya choob,dinnae keep giein’ me yon bad eye or ah’ll pure put the heid oan yeez,eh aye?”
Rules for disinformationalists
http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-25-rules-of-disinformation/
But please do not feed the odious trolls.
Markgb The Greens have centralised their party to placate the MSM, whilst shyly pointing to their philosophgiocal base policy that says’ the GPEW wan ts to decentralise power’
The problem with the Green party is that their ranks have been filled by disillusioned Labour activists who like leaders and Lords. They failed to make a point about unsustainable polluting wars, the greatest source of manmade pollution there is, when the rise in CO2 was annaounced 2 days ago, a good opportunity missed.
The predominant drive within the Green Party is to get people elected, it is no different from other parties. Roughly 9% of its me,mbership decides on policy and the same faces, every year, can be seen doing the prioritisation at Conference, the same characters still proffer their proxy votes when it comes to promoting their policies above all others.
That said, there is not much wrong with promoting a sustainable agenda, longterm planning and a more caring society, but you have to show us how it works within the Green Party, the caring for each other and supporting of people who burned up,spent their money on campaigns and/r elections, how does the GP look after its members with mental problems?
“Cameron Lies”.
No kidding! Hold the front page.
Gaia; There’s no crying in baseball or politics.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can’t do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how “sensitive they are to criticism”.
Nevermind
You sound better informed than I, however I welcome the rise of a real social democratic choice and a move towards a genuine multi-party system, if only to encourage honesty with the “main” parties.
Only 33 years of my life MarkGB, but I have not lost my green principles, because sustainability is here to challenge our intelligence, our humanity and our resolve to live with each other.
More importantly it does not need or require a political party to promote sustainable goals. Ihave resigned from the Greens for multiple reasons I don’t want to regurgitate/bore you with here.
Thank fully the Green Party in Scotland has a slightly differing approach and its acceptance by the public and other reps within a proportionally elected Parliament is a breath of fresh air.
Then there is random selection, if we’d choose a randomly selected Parliament and exchange it every four years, it would be more representative than what we have now. re election would be impossible and corruption would be nipped in the bud.
Somebody today argued that Westminster would be clueless as to what to do, come the Yes vote on the 18th. I would say that they are definately thinking about it now.
And who said that they should get a substantual pay rise this autumn? are they kidding us?
A TTF/GMS poll from Deutsche Welle conducted this June show that “Germans wish to have a more independent course from the US” – this trend is reflected amongst many EU nations, quoting selectively we get:
Perhaps the urge for Caledonian freedom just happens to be surfing a general wave of ‘independence;’ maybe the US’s sorties in Syria/Ukraine are having a light blowback effect across their realm? it’ll be interesting to see whatever margin The Vote has, and perpetually wonder if there was somehow a tenuous link to Nuland/Kerry?
Finishing off the survey, wringing the last drops from it, is the pithy finding that across Europeans as a whole, it’s singly the French that now express a majority opinion that Britain should leave the EU (by Britain do they mean “rUKIP”?)
Mary,
You claimed to be speaking on behalf of the English by claiming they don’t want ‘neoliberal’ policies. Then you introduced a separate point regarding electoral turnout. There are a lot of reasons as to why fewer people vote in general elections. However, I would point out that in 2010, according to your source, 65.1% of the electorate voted and according to this source, http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/ge10/engregion.htm the overwhelming majority of votes in England were cast for the ‘neoliberal’ parties aka Labour, the Lib Dems and the Tories.
It would therefore stand to reason that there are plenty of English votes for the neoliberal agenda as you refer to it. The fact that you are not one of them does not indicate that all of English electorate shares your opinion.
Of course Miliband and his tear jerker of a speech, (all that was missing was Itzhak Perlman, and his violin) wasn’t the only unionist trick in town today far from it.
David Cameron sat like Orville the Duck with impending crocodile tears welling up in his soulless eyes, and with no real powers to offer Scots, he repeatedly said please please please don’t go, this spineless demeanour just adds to the many many reasons why Scots are determined to vote yes.
Nevermind
Breathtaking audacity to grant themselves a 10%+ payrise whilst imposing “austerity” policies on the rest of us, including some of the least privileged in our society. And let’s not get started on their “expenses”.
Perhaps their collective judgement has been clouded by over-exposure to the wealthy interests they seem to spend most time representing.
I envy my Scottish brethren the opportunity to resoundingly reject what UK politics has become.
Then we had the pleasure of (Southpaw)Prescott, in Rutherglen today as he stood on his soapbox, and spouted his Reggie Perrin’s bosses motto, “I didn’t get where I am today” speech. (Two jags)Prescott, had more bodyguards than any of the inbred Royals,or at least it appeared that way, Prescott and Rutherglen go together like custard and dog shit,they were never mean’t to be.
Jives,
I agree with you on the mood up here. I hear a lot of people talking about ridding themselves / Scotland of corrupt Westminster and its politicians. As I said, I just don’t accept the idea that the Scottish people or their representatives are more moral currently, or will be with independence.