The referendum result is the loss of a chance to dispute the hegemony of the neo-con corporate elite in the international world. My heart is still bursting with pride that 45% of Scots – a people devoid of political autonomy for three hundred years – had the nerve, intellect and will to see through the avalanche of propaganda from the entire mainstream media, political establishment, banking sector and corporate world. I met numerous voters who had received letters from their employers – including Diageo, BP, RNS and many others – telling them to vote No or their job was in danger. I met the old lady in Dundee who was told by the Labour Party that independent Scotland would flood the country with immigrants, and a Romanian building worker in Edinburgh who had been told by the Labour Party that Independent Scotland would deport all East Europeans.
Yesterday the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and Daily Mirror in Scotland all had precisely the same full page photo on their front cover – not a startling news snap, but an arty concoction of male silhouettes and union and Scottish flags. The Mirror had photoshopped it to remove the blue from the union jack, but it was the same distinctive photo. There could be no more stark example of the fake diversity of the mainstream media.
Just as the Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem parties have been startlingly shown up as precisely the same creatures of corporate masters offering no policy differences whatsoever, merely a false tribalism. As they partied together at Better Together last night – the only party in the whole of Scotland, at which everybody present lives very, very well at taxpayers’ expense – it was impossible to tell which brand of Tory was which.
Keeping the popular momentum going, keeping all those wonderful people I met and spoke to engaged in trying to engineer a different society, is going to be a hard struggle. But we always knew that. The goal of independence must remain as a powerful unifying factor.
Through media onslaught people were convinced that a No vote was a vote for Devo Max. Actually after a fortnight of pontificating it will fall off the news agenda of the mainstream. Nothing significant will happen. The Westminster view is that we can have any powers we want at our glorified council in Scotland as long as we still don’t get the revenue from oil or whisky – and still provide cannon fodder for neo-con wars abroad, house Trident and are subject to draconian Westminster imposed attacks on civil liberties.
Anyway the dress rehearsal is over. At the next referendum – which is only five years away, after the UK has voted to leave the EU – we will not be putting forward Salmond’s Independence Lite, (I am not criticising, he carried it superhumanly far). We will be proposing a fully independent Scottish Republic, out of NATO, with its own currency, sweeping land reform to give Scotland’s land back to its people, nationalisation of railways and public utilities, a genuine minimum wage you can live on, a humane benefits system and strict regulation and controls on banks and bankers.
I am eating an excellent lunch and looking forward to it.
If you believe you have any evidence of fraud in the referendum then go to the police with it so that it can be investigated. No use just posting it here, go to the police and they will investigate and take action if there was any wrong doing.
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If I was sure numbnuts I would, so the next best thing is to share it, and see what happens.
“Irregularities, at the minimum. ”
If you believe you have any evidence of fraud in the referendum then go to the police with it so that it can be investigated. No use just posting it here, go to the police and they will investigate and take action if there was any wrong doing.
Just stop posting the same video over and over, it was debunked by the SNP observers the first time it was posted.
@RoS: according to the report I heard they were also burning St Andrews flags.
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Not surprised, as on the 13th of Sept during an interview with some O/O Neanderthals in Edinburgh, they declared the Butchers Apron aka the Union Jack as their flag, and not the Saltire.
Not if the spooks are really tidy
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Good one Ruth.
Did you watch the entire video? It has some close-ups and I post what I want, just as you do.
If you can’t see anything untoward maybe it’s just your prejudicial point of view.
If you trust NATO you could bring in the OCSE to review ballots, matching ID numbers and doing some field interviews with voters.
Habbabkuk says : don’t forget – full name and address, please!
For those not wishing to pass their names on to government for the epetition, there is another one at change.org which only takes names and addresses to show that you are genuine. It’s doing rather well considering it was only started today.
http://www.change.org/p/alex-salmond-we-the-undersigned-demand-a-revote-of-the-scottish-referendum-counted-by-impartial-international-parties
And if you’ve signed Change petitions before it will enter all your details for you. Good eh? I am not saying the referendum result was wrong, just that it is right and proper tohave full public scrutiny in a world that is far from right and proper.
My friend is now getting texts and Facebook messages of Unionist riots in central Glasgow. One stabbing, burning of Saltires, shouts that the Scottish should leave Scotland…
This what the bigoted No,unionist, O/O think of Scotland.
https://vine.co/v/OWPzrhni0Aj
Fred: When someone lies, which is all you do constantly, contributing absolutely nothing but noise and a bizarre logic which always end up in you trotting out your ‘I just don’t like nationalism’ crappy cop-out for your complete absence of any rationality or consistency, except in your catchphrase, then insults, as true and deserved, and much worse are appropriate. All nationalism except British nationalism eh, I think your fascination with Nazis, is indicative of a sexual interest in and gratification from these bully-boys, and no doubt a strong political affiliation too. You have said on here just the other day that overt BNP/EDL types, giving Nazi salutes, were only waving, you’ve been caught and have no defense against the obvious conclusion. Clark may have vouched for you, as a real person, albeit a really mixed up one, but I think he’d been set up, and if he hadn’t been set up, then that can only reduce to near nothing my estimation of Clark and his judgement.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/2gvpbt/whats_happening_at_george_square/
Soccer thugs after they WIN the game. Imagine if it had been YES.
Caught on camera. The ‘butcher’s apron’ prominent.
Nazi-saluting thugs mar No-vote victory celebrations in Glasgow as tensions rise after divisive referendum sees Scotland stay in union Pro-Union demonstrators accused of making ‘Nazi salutes’ in Glasgow as tensions in the city escalate
More than 80 police are deployed to keep rival groups of pro and anti independence supporters apart
Marine flares and bottles have been thrown by drunken demonstrators as police close Queen Street station
Police Scotland had to deploy mounted units as groups of young men attempted march through the city
By Hugo Gye In Glasgow and Darren Boyle for MailOnline
Published: 20:49, 19 September 2014 | Updated: 21:53, 19 September 2014
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2762876/Union-flag-waving-demonstrators-make-Nazi-salute-Glasgow-victory-celebrations-Police-separate-rival-groups-tension-increases.html
Nice.
“If you can’t see anything untoward maybe it’s just your prejudicial point of view.”
So these people doing something untoward were they wearing Union Flags or Saltires?
Because the No camp were ahead in the polls and the exit poll had just tipped them as winners so I don’t see what motive they would have to rig the ballot. The Yes camp is a different story.
But still I say, any evidence of election fraud just go to the police otherwise you are just shit stirring, just trying to inflame people’s tempers even more, inciting hatred which could well get people hurt.
Is that what you are doing Ben? Are you a control freak getting your kicks from winding people up?
@Tony M
There is no Orange Order where I live. The sectarian hatred is yours not mine.
The people of Scotland voted, it was a fair democratic referendum, they voted for what they wanted.
That should be an end to it.
Chunky mark, mark. Heh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQA9wiZ7Jc0
@Fred: if the lady is the video was doing what she looks like doing (quite subtly shuffling yes votes into the no pile) do you think she should be arrested? And should the police find out who taught her to do that? If not why not?
” inciting hatred which could well get people hurt.”
Go tell the Unionist thugs. Why are they angry? Why are you angry?
We’re not discussing the correct placement of bombs, we’re talking about those things people can discuss in a great democratic environment.
Why do you want to intimidate that discussion?
Why are the SNP not complaining
“@Fred: if the lady is the video was doing what she looks like doing (quite subtly shuffling yes votes into the no pile) do you think she should be arrested? And should the police find out who taught her to do that? If not why not?”
That’s what I’ve been saying isn’t it? Any suspicion of fraud should be reported to the police right away so it can be properly investigated.
Pointless just posting videos to the internet that could be anything but people are likely to make mean what they want them to mean. That only incites hatred.
SNP may have had some parts clipped, or are quietly surveying options. Unionist riots could certainly be designed to thwart any reflexive demonstrations about ballot tampering.
Loving the crackers comments !
I’ve always seen Scotland as a much more progressive place. England has some of the most backward, soul-destroying, discriminatory legislation in the world. As a father trying to work in an ethical line of employment, it is almost impossible to balance work and family. In England, men with children are still treated as disposable sperm-donors and cash providers, and women are still kept down, not allowed to have careers and coerced into being dependents. The Department of Work and Pensions makes sure of this.
Critics (or rather spiteful propagandists and self-interested liars) have sought to present the issue of Scottish Independence as sectarian and nationalistic.
I’ve never seen it like that. The way I see it is that Scotland had a chance to show up the miserable failings of England. A utopia is a fictional place that exposes the corruption and stupidity of worldly places. Scotland could have been that for a while. I think it is a very sad day, and that the dummies who voted no will live to regret having been swayed.
The above post sounds a little naive, not least because it mentions the word democratic. Without an independent media, you cannot have anything approaching a democracy.
As said before yesterday, democracy requires at the least a fair and free press, we have nothing like that, this applies to all the former countries of the UK, the UK which died today after a long illness and won’t be missed. We have the MSM and the BBC and their malign role has been pivotal and probably illegal, whole university departments and careers will be carved out of studying the disgraceful Downing Street run usurpation of our right to self-determination, there will likely be legal challenges and appeals to the international community to protect us, would not be an unwise move. This country has been here before in 1979 and contingencies anticipated. Sectarianism, I know a lot about, from deeply traumatic experiences as a victim of it, that have affected my entire extended family, I’m not sure why you brought it up, or attempted to change the subject to that, are you fishing? The referendum was neither fair, nor democratic and there will not be an end to it ever until Scotland’s independence is attained, which is inevitable, and will come sooner, far sooner than your limted imagination could encompass.
“The position is this. We lost the referendum vote but can still carry the political initiative. More importantly Scotland can still emerge as the real winner.”
http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/sep/statement-first-minister-alex-salmond
The position is this. We lost the referendum vote but can still carry the political initiative. More importantly Scotland can still emerge as the real winner.”
http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/sep/statement-first-minister-alex-salmond
A day before the referendum – voicing over a video clip of the (then) 1st Minister shaking hands with ‘Yes’ supporters – the increasingly psychotic Kay Burley said “Alex Salmond there, attempting to persuade ‘Yes’ voters that his is the right way“. No wonder the ‘Yes’ campaign failed. Surely Salmond would have been better trying to persuade people who didn’t know rather than those who’d already made up their minds. The truth is that the Tory Tories, Labour Tories and LibDem Tories can strut and swagger as much as they want carping on in self-deceit about how much this proves the majority of Scots love the Union, but in their hearts they know that – like millions of battered children and wives – many of the ‘No’ voters chose to stay with their abuser because of the threats of what would happen to them if they left.
Fred,
Smearing and demeaning people is a tactic used by the security services.
Fred, you’ve been complaining about what you see as Scottish nationalism for months. When the shit hits the fan, we see that the real right-wing nationalism is British nationalism.
Tony M, Fred admitted to me directly that a fair proportion of his comments are intended to wind up his opponents. I saw him nearly every day for about a month. He’s an ageing Hippy, as am I. He gets banned from forums for pro-Palestinian comments.
I didn’t expect his irrational opposition to Scottish independence.
The British plan to steal Scotland’s independence referendum By Wayne Madsen, September 10 2014.
September 10-11, 2014 – The British plan to steal …
1. Informed British sources have revealed that the British government… has colluded with the British media to downplay in articles, news … and … opinion polls the actual strength of the pro-independence ‘Yes’ campaign in Scotland.
2. The hyped news reports, including “news” about a looming terrorist threat and a new royal baby, as well as skewed polling numbers, according to our sources, is to prepare the country for a razor-thin loss for the pro-independence “Yes” vote in…
3. Our sources report that the actual “Yes” for independence vote is leading the “No” vote by a full 11 percentage points…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk.
5. Knowledgeable British sources say that massive election manipulation, including tampering with the absentee postal votes, is what is in store for Scotland on referendum day…
6. The vote will be immediately declared by the media and British government to be “conclusive” as the “will of the Scottish people.”
Of course, any suggestion that the vote was rigged will be immediately be discounted as an unfounded “conspiracy theory.” …
A referendum is granted and takes place – that’s democracy.
The result displeases those who lost – therefore it wasn’t democracy!
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Craig – have you anything to say to the Ruths and Tony Ms ?