The Labour Party is being remarkably coy about releasing the actual result of its Scottish accounting unit leadership election, giving only a percentage. The entirely complacent unionist media is complicit in what amounts to a deception. The stunning truth is that in a one person, one vote election among the entire membership of the Labour Party in Scotland plus trades union supporters, Dugdale won with 5,217 votes (out of a claimed electorate of 21,000, many of whom do not exist or could not be arsed to choose between two right wing numpties).
UPDATE: A second Labour figure just rang me to assure me my information – which was from a good source – is wrong. She would not give the actual figure and only said it was “higher”. I offered to take down the post and publish an accurate figure if she would give it, but this was declined.
Mr Scorgie
As usual, you come slinking in, like a jackal, after the would-be lions (think they) have feasted.
Or perhaps like a jackass.
Thank you for your {sic}.
Here’s one in return:
“.. you should be ashamed of yourself for bringing the worlds {sic}Jews into disrepute..”
“Oh, and did I mention that we’re coming for them…”
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Yes, RobG, just about in every second post of yours.
Yawn.
And now sink a second bottle; with any luck you might fall asleep.
Mr Scorgie
Don’t think that the Transatlantic Sage is replying to your post of 5 minutes before.
He’s in fact replying to Laguerre (and perhaps Suhayl), who had the temerity to disagree with him.
The poor bugger’s probably been up all night looking up his figures so as to get in the last word as per usual. 🙂
Must be the Oxford Greatsman (college still undisclosed) in him.
Anon1:
A Labour Party led by Corbyn has zero chance of winning an election.
Paddy Power gives Corbyn a 1 in 9 chance of being the next PM. Considering that he hasn’t actually won the leadership yet, and Cameron has said he’ll make way for a Tory successor before the next election, it seems that bettors disagree with you strongly.
Video of the trolls ogling “Jewish chicks”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XYNsDsoHyw
Habba, what’s interesting is the total arrogance of you/the British Establishment.
You can’t hold an argument, let alone win one. You very often threaten posters on this board, and often give hints that you know posters’ personal details, in the manner of Stasi scum.
I’m not afraid of pond life, and neither should anyone else on this board.
And yes, I’ll say it again, we are coming for the pond life, and you will be put on trial.
Make no mistake about that.
Panic is begins to set in. What dirty tricks will they try next?
For people who are supposed to be grown up adults I find the opposition to JC
very sad people who are not fully awake and hopefully will get out of their pyjamas soon.
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/the-politics-of-fear-goes-into-overdrive-to-derail-the-jeremy-corbyn-bandwagon
Maybe, because it is true…
Well I did say (this afternoon)..it wasn’t my fault at the live rock gig..We just ended up pissing together. I said to him…you look like someone really famous.
Spitt’n Image of Jeremy Corbyn
Red Shirt Too…
He says to me fck – I usually get John Denver…
I says Yeh – well I get Jimmy Savile…
You have got it easy mate.
Good Looking Bloke.
Tony
@RobG – I’m no fan of the Establishment, nor their arrogance, but I don’t advocate for violence against people either. If “we” refers to the people in favour of a political revolution, then can we make it a velvet one?
In any case, the vitriol in the comments – which seems to come from both the Right and the Left unfortunately – makes this website an unpleasant read, most of the time. May I suggest not responding to people who you believe are not in good faith?
@Habbakuk
Herbie has made the point already, but just to reassure anyone with doubts that the Pan Arabian Enquirer is a satirical site. Like all the best satire it needs a grain of truth to work with. A good example, using someone whose style is too close to that of many commentators here is http://www.panarabiaenquirer.com/wordpress/jeremy-clarkson-in-talks-for-top-uae-customer-service-training-role/
“Clarkson’s unique skillset would be used across all the organisation’s training units and that the former presenter was the perfect disciplinarian to “teach our waiting staff the consequences of failing to follow instructions, however irrational and alcohol-fuelled.”
Always look on the light side of life, especially if you are on holiday
Alex Forsyth, political correspondent, BBC News wrote, Gordon Brown didn’t need to mention Jeremy Corbyn’s name for his message to be understood; if he wins the leadership race Labour risks electoral oblivion. Which means Labour will slip from the minds of the British voters, a ridiculous belief.
Forsyth prostrates to the Establishment, a gratuitous perception of Brown’s attempt at extolling power (he cited the noun 92 times in his talk).
Brown in his ignorance is saying purity or transparency results in impotence and one must achieve power by any means because with more power we can do more good, especially in politics.
Corbyn may of course have taken that leap in consciousness to a place where good can be achieved with intention and looking back from that plane, to know the more power a man attains, the more nefarious he becomes.
http://gordonandsarahbrown.com/2015/08/power-for-a-purpose/
Jon,
You got it in one..I don’t feel welcome here…and I don’t think that has anything to do with Craig Murray..I Really Like and Respect The Guy.
“In any case, the vitriol in the comments – which seems to come from both the Right and the Left unfortunately – makes this website an unpleasant read”
Yet we keep coming back to read and occasionally comment.
Tony
Jon, I don’t believe I’ve ever advocated violence.
All I’m advocating is justice.
Which seems to be a crime thesedays…
A lovely bunch, are they not?
Led by Mandelslime, the most sinister of the lot.
Lord Mandelson’s failed ‘mass resignation’ bid to attempt to stop Jeremy Corbyn winning Labour leadership
It also emerged that Liz Kendall urged Yvette Cooper to stand down because Andy Burnham is the only candidate who can win – but Miss Cooper refused.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11806498/Lord-Mandelsons-failed-mass-resignation-bid-to-attempt-to-stop-Jeremy-Corbyn-winning-Labour-leadership.html
16 August 2015
‘Miss’ Cooper’s other half left the HoC with £80k. Great. That should keep him well supplied with pies.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11596197/Ed-Balls-to-get-88000-golden-goodbye-as-former-MPs-are-handed-11.5m-taxpayer-payout.html
Tony, your comment surprises me, since you often rail against the complete la la land that Britain has become.
Is it now acceptable for government agents (all on tax payer’s money) to infiltrate comment threads such as this and put forth a right wing agenda?
And yes, the record’s stuck: it’s like East Germany in the 1970s, and we all know where that ended-up.
@ RobG
The phrase “lined up against a wall and shot” might have given rise to the wrong interpretation. Many of us reject the death penalty.
I don’t know about his..but shit he doesn’t look that bad..Editor of The Guardian for Nearly 20 Years..The Cnt is only a little bit younger than me..But I Reckon I look Better…
Go on Try Pull it and the Girls Do..
Mine doesn’t come out unless it is pulled really hard. It is still growing out of my head.
Give Respect To The Editor of The Manchester Guardian
Did you do that?
He is Still Alive and Well so Far as I Know.
Alan Rusbridger
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Rusbridger
Now, am I allowed to post on The Guardian’s Website?
Tony
RobG, your language seems to carry an implied threat – especially “we are coming for you”. I am very pleased to hear you do not endorse violence, but nevertheless the Left needs to be careful about avoiding the language of fascism.
Relating to your more recent comment, should subversive activity be a crime online? I think that’s honestly an interesting question. It’s theoretical of course, since Britain may well engage in it and thus is not about to make it illegal. However, as various people have already said here in the past, there is no value in proclaiming this or that person a stooge, since it cannot be proven.
Thus, I think the solution for the Left is to engage productively, and when that it is not possible, engage in debate with someone else. If you believe someone to be a plant, then it’s probably best to leave them be.
Jon, in order to become free you first have to understand those who enslave you.
It’s called ‘salami tactics’; ie, bit by bit they remove all freedoms. I think any wage slave in the early 21st century will testify to this.
Our governments are now completely controlled by un-elected corporations.
Not good.
Well, I agree with what you say about the removal of freedoms, but I am not sure that addresses my point 🙂
RobG -“Our governments are now completely controlled by un-elected corporations.”
And Jeremy Corbyn is unacceptable to them, as are Syriza and Podemos. There is only one game in town. This is the background to the horror displayed by the New Labour establishment. If they cant keep Corbyn out then they will lose their franchise. No more big cars, moneymaking opportunities etc.
UK will be ‘Greeced’ if Corbyn ever gets to be PM.
@philw – I don’t agree to what happened in Greece, but there are substantial differences with the UK. My understanding is that Greek governments of any stripe have traditionally found it hard to persuade people to pay their taxes there, and like Italy there is a widespread cultural ambiguity when it comes to obeying the law. Thus, a Keynesian govt that wants to spend will always need to ensure the money can be collected first.
Yes, certainly the UK has plenty of tax avoidance, but most of the little people pay tax, and though we grumble we believe it is right to pay. Of course, Corbyn will have to be careful with his economic policies – there are plenty of international institutions that would like to see him fail.
Jon, when I grew-up 40 years ago (just before neo-liberalism took a hold) in a family unit only the husband needed to go out to work, or sometimes vice versa. Now both parents have to work in an attempt to keep their head above water. The effect this has had on family life, and the fact that many couples can’t even afford to have children, is totally appalling.
Yet we are told this is ‘normal’, and everything’s the fault of the immigrants.
Britain hasn’t gone out on a bang, it’s gone out on a total whimper.
And yes, I’ll say it again: those who are responsible for this will be held to account.
RobG
“Doug, I’m still of the opinion that our nemesis is more Cheltenham than hasbara. The easiest way to disrupt threads on boards like this is to bring Israel into it.”
It only takes 1 hour from Wolverhampton to get to GCHQ. It takes 5 hours to get to any beach you could call Haverford West.
Habbabkuk lives in a rather drab little box in the Black Country, commutes to work by car, and fantasises about chicks on the empty, shell-specked sands of Newgail.
Hold on a minute this character is beginning to sound a little bit like me.
@Habbabkuk, your trademark buffoonery & moronic state of denial response is as boring as it is pathetic, but I’ll let you into a little secret, most of the time when I bother to address you is to use you as a pretext to posting something that others may find interesting; this was one of those times 😀
@Jon, re your advice to RobG about not responding to people who are not here in good faith, will you now be taking your own advice after the run-around that the Habbu-Clown recently gave you iro of your failed attempt to engage with him on the issue of the Media ?
Corby’s policies don’t seem much different to those pursued by the more sensible Western European countries, though even they have been directed away from some of them over the past few years, under much external pressure.
It’s current British economic policy which is the economics of the madhouse.
You wouldn’t know that from watching British television or reading the British Press.
They say Corby’s the looney.
It’s not true.
Far from it.
The only question is why are British media outlets so out of touch with reality.
No wonder he suffers from Surrey envy and real female inferiority psychosis. Pity the lonely GCHQ troll.
Yes. Even the plants need attention.
Especially in this weather.
Talking of travel, I recently flew back from Kurdistan. The first part of the journey was over war-wracked Syria. The second part of the journey, from Istanbul to Birmingham I looked out the window, Bulgaria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland, all recently conquered by the West from the USSR and bought up by rich American corporations.
I couldn’t help thinking that the Al Qaida and IS project is just a continuation of the East European project of global USUKIS hegemony. Does Craig give a toss about Syria?
Andrew Levine has an interesting piece at Counterpunch this weekend. This excerpt sheds light on the political motivations of the hasbara trolls who infest this blog:
“…the lobbies of the self-declared “nation state of the Jewish people,” especially the one in the United States, are working hard to reintroduce classical anti-Semitism.
“This may not be their express intention. Indeed, it is likely that they are more stupid and reckless than diabolical. Nevertheless, objectively (as Marxists would say), reviving anti-Semitism is what they are trying to do.
“Many, probably most, American Jews give Israel little thought; but, except for the Israel-firsters, those who do, along with their counterparts around the world, generally understand what a dangerous game this is.
“Some Israeli Jews do too. This was the point, in fact, of an editorial published last week in the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz. Even in Israel, it isn’t only leftists who see what is going on.
“What the Israel lobbies, are doing is the moral equivalent of reintroducing a disease like polio – formerly a scourge that humanity had, through diligent effort, very nearly eradicated. They are doing their best to bring it back.
“Thanks to the “arc of the moral universe” that Martin Luther King spoke of so eloquently, opposition to what the government of Israel does is extremely widespread and growing in the United States and around the world. Understandably – and justifiably — anti-Zionism is on the rise as well.
“But genuine anti-Semitism is an historical memory.
“Zionists, in and out of Israel, have always labored hard to identify anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism. They have so far been unable to make the charge stick; the claim is too much of a howler to survive even casual scrutiny.
“But with Netanyahu and his lobbies now making full use of all the financial and political resources they can muster, they just might finally make inroads.
“For advancing their goal of turning all of Mandate Palestine into a Jewish state – economically and militarily strong enough to lord it over the entire region — a living version of classical anti-Semitism would help a lot.
“Zionism, their version of it especially, feeds on anti-Semitism; it always has.
“In its early days, political Zionism had almost nothing to do with any purported two thousand year old yearning for “restoring” a Jewish homeland in Palestine; and neither did it have much to do with what would today be called identity politics.
“It had even less to do with Jewish-Arab or Jewish-Muslim animosities, except insofar as the indigenous population Zionist settlers displaced were, as it happened, Arabs and, for the most part, Muslims.
“Political Zionism began as an effort of secular, assimilated Western European Jews to provide a safe haven for themselves and for Jews in Eastern Europe, at an historical moment when anti-Semitism was flourishing — along with nationalism and “scientific” racism, and other concoctions of middle and late nineteenth century European and North American thought.
“Anti-Semitism drew on longstanding Christian anti-Judaism, but it was not a religious phenomenon. For Christians in an age of faith, Jews played a role in sacred history. By the time modern anti-Semitism emerged, that way of thinking survived only in the most benighted quarters.
“For nineteenth and twentieth century anti-Semites, the problem with Jews was not that they denied Christ; it was that they ruled the world – through money and political influence.
This sentiment resonated widely in Eastern Europe and throughout the more “civilized” West. Anti-Semitism, as the great German Social Democrat August Bebel (1840-1913) remarked, was “the socialism of fools.”
“There are familiar anti-Semitic stereotypes. The government of Israel – on its own and through its lobbies — has lately been fleshing them out.
“Chief among them is the socially unproductive money man who feeds off the honest labor of others, and who, through guile and cunning, causes the mighty of the earth to do his bidding and advance his aims.
“Casino mogul Sheldon Adelson is as plain an example as anyone could imagine; a character straight out of central casting. Were Hollywood to make a movie based on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, he would be a shoe-in for the lead part. He has every leading Republican wrapped around his little finger.
“Then there are the underlings — Schumer and others like him – who do Israel’s bidding because their first loyalty is to the Zionist cause.
“In official Washington these days – unlike Paris in the 1890s, at the time of the Dreyfus Affair – there are more gentile Israel-firsters than Jews. For every Chuck Schumer, there are a dozen GOP buffoons; good Christians all.
“By promoting the idea that the first loyalty of Jews is to world Jewry (or now that there is a Jewish state, to the state of Israel), not to the states in which Jews live, the Dreyfus Affair played a crucial role in crystalizing and fostering anti-Semitic attitudes.
“The Zionist movement emerged in reaction to the social and political reality those attitudes encouraged.
“Ironically, though, by creating a Jewish state, it created conditions that made those attitudes plausible and, in some cases, justified.
“In time, though, for reasons largely unrelated to anything Zionists did, classical anti-Semitism disappeared. The anti-Semitic chapter in human history sputtered out of control in the 1930s and 40s and then, having run its course and with the Axis powers defeated, withered away.
“Sensing a need to return their movement to its original mission, if only to keep the Zionist project alive, could Zionists, of the Netanyahu-AIPAC variety now be trying to revive it?
“It certainly seems that way. If this is not their intent, the best that can be said in their behalf is that they know not what they do. Their antics are not just unseemly; they are dangerous as well.
“But whatever their intent, Palestinians are not the only ones who could rightfully charge Netanyahu and his allies with perpetrating historical crimes against their people; Jews could – and should – too.”