Now that Liam Fox is back in the Cabinet and Matthew Gould, ex-Ambassador to Israel, in in charge of Security in the Cabinet Office, it is essential to get answers to what happened in at least eight meetings between Adam Werritty and Gould at least some of which involved Mossad – as Cabinet Secretary Gus O’Donnell acknowledged to a parliamentary committee:
Hansard Public Administration Committee 24/11/2011
Q<369> Paul Flynn: Okay. Matthew Gould has been the subject of a very serious complaint from two of my constituents, Pippa Bartolotti and Joyce Giblin. When they were briefly imprisoned in Israel, they met the ambassador, and they strongly believe—it is nothing to do with this case at all—that he was serving the interest of the Israeli Government, and not the interests of two British citizens. This has been the subject of correspondence.
In your report, you suggest that there were two meetings between the ambassador and Werritty and Liam Fox. Questions and letters have proved that, in fact, six such meetings took place. There are a number of issues around this. I do not normally fall for conspiracy theories, but the ambassador has proclaimed himself to be a Zionist and he has previously served in Iran, in the service. Werritty is a self-proclaimed—
Robert Halfon: Point of order, Chairman. What is the point of this?
Paul Flynn: Let me get to it. Werritty is a self-proclaimed expert on Iran.
Chair: I have to take a point of order.
Robert Halfon: Mr Flynn is implying that the British ambassador to Israel is working for a foreign power, which is out of order.
Paul Flynn: I quote the Daily Mail: “Mr Werritty is a self-proclaimed expert on Iran and has made several visits. He has also met senior Israeli officials, leading to accusations”—not from me, from the Daily Mail—“that he was close to the country’s secret service, Mossad.” There may be nothing in that, but that appeared in a national newspaper.
Chair: I am going to rule on a point of order. Mr Flynn has made it clear that there may be nothing in these allegations, but it is important to have put it on the record. Be careful how you phrase questions.
Paul Flynn: Indeed. The two worst decisions taken by Parliament in my 25 years were the invasion of Iraq—joining Bush’s war in Iraq—and the invasion of Helmand province. We know now that there were things going on in the background while that built up to these mistakes. The charge in this case is that Werritty was the servant of neo-con people in America, who take an aggressive view on Iran. They want to foment a war in Iran in the same way as in the early years, there was another—
Chair: Order. I must ask you to move to a question that is relevant to the inquiry.
Q<370> Paul Flynn: Okay. The question is, are you satisfied that you missed out on the extra four meetings that took place, and does this not mean that those meetings should have been investigated because of the nature of Mr Werritty’s interests?
Sir Gus O’Donnell: I think if you look at some of those meetings, some people are referring to meetings that took place before the election.
Q<371> Paul Flynn: Indeed, which is even more worrying.
Sir Gus O’Donnell: I am afraid they were not the subject—what members of the Opposition do is not something that the Cabinet Secretary should look into. It is not relevant.
But these meetings were held—
Chair: Mr Flynn, would you let him answer please?Sir Gus O’Donnell: I really do not think that was within my context, because they were not Ministers of the Government and what they were up to was not something I should get into at all.
Chair: Final question, Mr Flynn.
Q<372> Paul Flynn: No, it is not a final question. I am not going to be silenced by you, Chairman; I have important things to raise. I have stayed silent throughout this meeting so far.
You state in the report—on the meeting held between Gould, Fox and Werritty, on 6 February, in Tel Aviv—that there was a general discussion of international affairs over a private dinner with senior Israelis. The UK ambassador was present…
Sir Gus O’Donnell: The important point here was that, when the Secretary of State had that meeting, he had an official with him—namely, in this case, the ambassador. That is very important, and I should stress that I would expect our ambassador in Israel to have contact with Mossad. That will be part of his job. It is totally natural, and I do not think that you should infer anything from that about the individual’s biases.
Gus O’Donnell was being examined on his Cabinet Office report into the Fox/Werritty affair, which contained the blatant lie that Gould and Werritty had only met on two occasions. In fact they met eight times that we know for certain, with Gould’s role being:
1) 8 September 2009 as Miliband’s Principal Private Secretary (omitted from O’Donnell report)
2) 16 June 2010 as Hague’s Principal Private Secretary (omitted from O’Donnell report)
3) A “social occasion” in summer 2010 as Ambassador designate to Israel with Gould, Fox and Werritty (omitted from O’Donnell report)
4) 1 September 2010 in London (only one September meeting in O’Donnell report)
5) 27 September 2010 in London (only one September meeting in O’Donnell report)
6) 4-6 February 2011 Herzilya Conference Israel (omitted from O’Donnell report)
7) 6 February 2011 Tel Aviv dinner with Mossad and Israeli military
8) 15 May 2011 “We believe in Israel” conference London (omitted from O’Donnell report)
You can find full details here.
As O’Donnell states, some of the Werritty/Gould meetings happened when Fox and the Tories were not even in power. My own Freedom of Information request for all correspondence between Adam Werritty and Matthew Gould was denied as it would “breach the cost limit”. What is the purpose of the Freedom of Information Act if something as simple as correspondence between two named individuals is refused on grounds of cost.
Astonishingly, the request was denied within one hour of being submitted, and after 11pm!!!!! In reply to a further Freedom of Information Act request for minutes of the meetings between Gould and Werritty while Gould was Private Secretary to Hague and Miliband, the FCO quite literally sent me two blank pages with everything redacted except the date!!!
Various MP’s, including Jeremy Corbyn and Caroline Lucas, dragged out the information bit by bit, like drawing teeth.
The media were by and large prepared to treat the Werritty/Fox scandal purely as sniggering homophobia. Only the Independent reported the actual story
Fox’s resignation enabled the media to bury the real scandal, which was Israeli government influence on both Red and Blue Tories.
I therefore request everybody who reads this to write to their MP and ask them to find the following information. Here is a draft you may utilise, but the more you customise it the better:
Dear ……..,
I am concerned about unresolved questions from the Adam Werritty affair, and I should be grateful if you could discover the following information for me.
1) On how many occasions did Cabinet Office official Matthew Gould meet with Mr Adam Werritty, either
a) in a personal capacity
b) in an official capacity2) Who else was present on each occasion?
3) What was discussed on each occasion?I have been informed of at least eight such meetings which have been collected together from parliamentary questions and FOIA requests. I am concerned that only two of these meetings was detailed in the Cabinet Secretary’s report into the Adam Werritty affair.
1) 8 September 2009 as Miliband’s Principal Private Secretary (omitted from O’Donnell report)
2) 16 June 2010 as Hague’s Principal Private Secretary (omitted from O’Donnell report)
3) A “social occasion” in summer 2010 as Ambassador designate to Israel with Gould, Fox and Werritty (omitted from O’Donnell report)
4) 1 September 2010 in London (only one September meeting in O’Donnell report)
5) 27 September 2010 in London (only one September meeting in O’Donnell report)
6) 4-6 February 2011 Herzilya Conference Israel (omitted from O’Donnell report)
7) 6 February 2011 Tel Aviv dinner with Mossad and Israeli military
8) 15 May 2011 “We believe in Israel” conference London (omitted from O’Donnell report)Can you discover why so many of these meetings were omitted from the O’Donnell report?
I should be most grateful for your assistance.
Yours faithfully,
You can write to your MP via this website , though I awlays prefer to send a physical letter to the House of Commons. I should be most grateful for your assistance in doing this, and in spreading this appeal around by social media.
It is to me disgusting that a politician so thoroughly disgraced as Liam Fox should be back in power. Answers were blanked on the actual purpose of the Werritty connection, and I think collectively we should try to do something about that.
Labour’s woes could be down to the security services, claims Unite boss Len McClusky. McClusky added, that the security service have a history of “dark practices” in British politics, I tend to agree, as government department after, government department lined up against Scottish independence in 2014, culminating in the now Chancellor of the Exchequer claiming in 2014, that a independent Scotland would be open to invasion from outerspace.
Remember that man, Philip Hammond, now heads up the Treasury, and with previous public comments, such as the outerspace one, who knows what farcical excuse may come tumbling off the lips of the Chancellor, when the going gets tough.
McClusky went on to say that a few years back the chair of his union, (McClusky doesn’t name the person) then called the TGWU, Transport and General Workers union, was infact a MI5 informant.
He (McClusky) added that if anybody thinks the security services aren’t involved in British politics in one form or another, they should think again.
http://www.thenational.scot/news/jeremy-corbyn-hits-back-at-claims-of-bullying.20337
McClusky doesn’t mention that Jeremy Corbyn’s life could be at risk, I’d imagine he too shrewd a man to openly say that. However, it is the heart of the Labour party that is being fought over, and in which path it will take in the future. With such a huge outcome at stake, ones could be forgiven, for trying to cover all the bases, no matter how unlikely they may seem.
One does wonder if any security service is behind the events that unfolded on Friday in Munich. Or if it is a case of racial tension due to ongoing events in Europe and the Middle East.
One think we can put our finger on is that the Munich event, will just add to the unease and mistrust developing around Europe at the moment. One also wonders whether Germany will impose any kind of restrictions, upon its populus after the event.
These types of attacks appear to be growing in number, and although on this occasion (Munich event) it doesn’t seem to be related to ISIS or Daesh, it will in the long run in my opinion be seen as a consequence, of terrorism. Which inturn will lead to the deaths of innocent women and children, in countries such as Syria, Iraq, and Libya, in one form of misplaced retribution or another.
“One does wonder if any security service is behind the events that unfolded on Friday in Munich”
No passport/ID reported found, though it has not been explained how the shooter was identified so quickly.
You can see what we are up against, despite The Donald’s claims of just stopping it all, when a German-Iranian goes on the rampage because he isn’t accepted by German society while his model, Anders Breivik, went on the rampage because he thought Norwegian multiculturalism was working at his expense.
Indeed – did they allow open carry at the Republican convention or does he believe in gun control after all?
See this article in the canary for setting up death squads in Iraq.
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/07/22/heres-need-know-secret-us-british-war-iraq/
There has been talk of a “Hard border” between Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland, post Brexit.
From reading articles and listening to radio news, one distinctly get the feeling that, that, particular arrangement won’t suit both nations, especially after hard fought consessions won in the Good Friday agreement.
I also got the feeling that Edna Kennedy and Arlene Foster, are warming to each other over a common cause. I wouldn’t go as far as to say a reunification of Ireland is on the cards, however, both governments, can stand united when the occasion calls for it, the “Hard border” between both nations appears to be one of those occasions.
Meanwhile Turkish president Erdogan, like the true showman he is, has declared July 15th, a national holiday. It will be known as Martyr Rememberance day, which has catchy ring to to it.
Although people died in the coup, a most terrible thing, the consequences of Erdogan tightening his grip on Turkey, and cracking down on free speech, could in the long run be more devastating than the coup attempt.
Lets hope Erdogan doesn’t go too far, in reforming Turkey, if that’s the plan.
Here is a coincidence that the coincidence theorists among us can really sink their teeth into.
Richard Gutjahr, Same Guy That Filmed France Truck Attack, On Scene At German Mall Shooting.
http://thomasdishaw.com/2016/07/richard-gutjahr-guy-filmed-france-truck-attack-scene-german-mall-shooting/
It would be useful to know where he’s going next.
Gutjahr is also married to an Israeli politician who has close links to Mossad.
The 22nd of July, when the Munich attack happened, is the anniversary of the King David hotel bombing, which is a significant event in Israeli history…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
… and of course the Munich attack took place at was the site of the 1972 olympics, when a Palestinian terrorist organisation murdered 11 Israeli athletes (many claim this was a false flag).
And of course the 22nd of July is also the anniversary of the Brevik massacre in Norway (many also claim that this was a false flag).
And let’s not forget Nice, where the French government want all CCTV footage destroyed.
Christmas has come early for us conspiraloons.
Every day is Christmas Day for us conspiraloons.
Only it’s not the turkey that gets wrapped in tinfoil.
If the Munich olympic attack in 1972 attack was “false flag” why was Ghaddafi playing along already. Blair wasn’t even an MP then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lufthansa_Flight_615
I am less interested in this Thomas Gutjahr – about who information is at least available – than in the “Thomas Dishaw” of Silvio’s link (above).
Curiously enough, the “Home Page” of http://www.thomasdishaw.com gives no information at all about the fellow…..
Silvio.
Thank you for that link.
It does seem to the average sane person that the possibility of Richard Gutjahr, being in a position to film both events, the one in Nice and now Munich, exactly as events unfold a incredible if not a unbelievable coincidence.
If it can be confirmed that Mr Gutjahr, filmed the run up to, and the shooting outside McDonald’s from across the street, footage we’ve all seen it, then surely such fateful fortune, narrows the odds considerably, that all isn’t what it appears to be.
Mr Gutjahr, according to the report has taken photos on the scene, as well, how convenient. In my opinion, it not uncommon for journalists to be on a number of security services pay rolls, it makes sense and allows specific, and almost unquestioned information to reach the public domain.
One or two commentors in here have already pointed this out to their credit.
A report in 21st of July edition of Le Figaro newspaper states, that France’s anti-terrorist executive ( sous-direction anti-terroriste- SDAT) has ordered Nice’s urban surveillance authorities, to destroy all CCTV footage of the Nice Attacks on Bastille Day, that rocked the city on the 14th of July 2016.
Although SDAT have cited articles 53 and L706-24 of the prosecution procedure, and article R642-1 of the penal code, authorities in Nice interviewed by Le Figaro, say that it is the first time they have ever been asked to destroy evidence at a crime scene – something they point out, is illegal.
The reason given by the French government is.
They don’t want “uncontrolled” and “non-authorised” (non maîtrisée) diffusion of the images, of the terrorist attacks.
I find it remarkable, that all security surveillance of the event in Nice is or has been destroyed, and the rather pathetic excuse to do so, is that it may fall into the hands of terrorists.
Consider this, huge sways of the attack are already available on the internet, indeed our friend Mr Gutjahr, uploaded part of the “terrorist attack himself. Yet the French authorities, don’t want any surveillance footage falling into the hands of undesirables.
It’s a remarkable state of affairs, that only enhances suspicion of the facts of the Nice event.
Re my above comment, it should read “swathes” and not sways, my apologies.
Richard Gutjahr is married to Mossad asset Einat Wilf who served as a lieutenant with IDF’s ‘Shmoneh Ma’atayim’ in signals intelligence and decryption. As a young recruit this bitch communicated with the Mossad office in London in 2005 according to my source with an Odigo type alert 6 minutes before the first explosion which Ex-Mossad Chief, Efraim Halevi said:
The multiple, simultaneous explosions that took place today on the London transportation system were the work of perpetrators who had an operational capacity of considerable scope.
There was careful planning, intelligence gathering, and a sophisticated choice of timing as well as near-perfect execution. We are faced with a deadly and determined adversary who will stop at nothing and will persevere as long as he exists as a fighting terrorist force. (He knows a lot).
MI5 must grow a pair and cease this lickspittle collaboration and assistance with Mossad – maybe one should blow the whole absurd and boundless intelligence led ‘terror campaign’ apart albeit that would embarrass U.S. Military aid to Israel that now exceeds $100 Billion.
NULABOUR tarts upset about abuse
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36864903
Over 40 female Labour M.P.s have written to party leader Jeremy Corbyn urging him to do more to tackle abuse of MPs.
The letter highlighted an “extremely worrying trend of escalating abuse and hostility” towards MPs in recent weeks.
Women were disproportionately affected by these “disgusting and totally unacceptable” incidents, it said.
Are these female M.P.’s by any chance, persons who want good old boy Corbers out?
I suspect it pales into insignificance compared with the amount abuse and hostility Corbyn has received over the same period.
I hope Corbers mates have not been stuffing dog S**T through these female NULABOUR M.P.’s letterboxes?
One man has been accused of threatening to kill Ms Eagle, although no links to any one group have been confirmed.
From the Independent
I would not go on their site, it tries to take your computer over.
44-year-old person was arrested in Scotland last week for issuing death threats to Ms. Anglea Eagle,
he has since been released on bail.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/man-arrested-over-angela-eagle-11636815
Following the window bricking incident, Paul Stuart, the co-vice chairman of the Wallasey constituency Labour party, said it was not an isolated incident and that Ms. Angela Eagle had received a series of “REALLY VILE” homophobic emails and telephone calls.
The Merseyside police and crime commissioner, Jane Kennedy , said members of the “hard left” were creating a climate that encouraged such attacks and said the building, which also houses other businesses, would be given “special attention” by police.
In response to the criminal damage, Ms. Angela Eagle said Jeremy Corbyn needed to “get control” of his supporters.
Well guess bloody what
Jane Kennedy Merseyside police and crime commissioner,
who is so upset at the “REALLY VILE” homophobic emails and telephone calls that Ms. Angela Eagle has been getting
no doubt for trying to get rid of J.C.
was a bigwig in the last NULABOUR government
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Kennedy_(politician)
That does not count!!!
The result of kowtowing to the sacred cows is the birth of even more sacred cows. Fact that Ms. Eagle’s office was not bricked and it was the staircase side window that could have broken due to any number of mishaps included moving furniture or items dropped on the ground and bounce thereof. However these possibilities having not been entertained, so far there has been no release of any kind of CCTV clip of the offenders who “broke” the window.
considering the degrees of “harassment” Ms. Eagle has been complaining to be subject of, so far all we have is her claims without any accompanying evidence of any sorts.
The fact is those in the business of PR have a particular format to engage in coercion, and these claims of misdemeanour’s of the “hard left” that includes the Tory ex prime minister John Major!
These days it is patently clear that Hitler ought have been hard left too! He had a “socialist/sozialismus” in his political party’s name. How far have the politics moved in the direction of the oligarchs’ interests?
Please don’t use phrases like “NULABOUR tarts” – highly disrespectful and misogynistic even if you do not agree with them.
Women are ‘tarts’ for you and ‘bitches’ for Mark Golding. Welcome to the gentle kinder politics.
French President François Hollande, gave orders to intensify the bombing in Syria, in the wake of the Nice event.
However French Interior minister Bernard Cazeneuve has said “There is no evidence linking Isis to the Bastille Day attacks in Nice, despite the terror group claiming responsibility.” … Mr Cazeneuve said “Investigators have so far not established any links between Bouhlel and a specific terrorist network.”
If one were minded to, they could draw a conclusion from Hollande’s actions, that the intensified bombing campaign conducted in Syria, needed a touchstone event, to get things moving.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/francois-tu-es-un-criminel-president-hollande-ordered-the-killing-of-syrian-women-and-children-in-retaliation-for-the-alleged-isis-bastille-day-attack/5536911
So what of this ‘suspect’/journalist who clearly must have had some sort of inside information to be at. That the authorities refusing to release CCTV footage makes these last two attacks highly suspicious. This si not investigating, but covering up.
http://thomasdishaw.com/2016/07/richard-gutjahr-guy-filmed-france-truck-attack-scene-german-mall-shooting/
to finish the sentence’who clearly must have had some information to be in the right place before both massacre’s happened.
Gutjahr lives in Munich, so probably just coincidence. OK, he is married to a member of the Knesset who used to work in Intelligence, but surely …..
Anyway Munich was just the work of a single deranged teenager, we have been assured.
nevermind
I too find it more than suspicious that Herr Gutjahr just happened to be filming from a balcony in Nice, just as the killer truck rolled by, and then a week later, just happens to be outside a Munich McDonalds as a deranged Muslim opens fire in the latest terrorist atrocity. Surely, and I hope you concur, that these coincidences must make him either the luckiest or best reporter/journalist in the World. Perhaps he should change his name to Carlsberg ! They’re are thousands and thousand of journalists out there, who never, ever get a “news” break or “scoop” of this level the whole of their working lives, but hey, along comes Mr Goodyear and he gets two inside a week.
http://www.gutjahr.biz/en/about/
He was on hand to film the Nice murders:
http://www.dw.com/en/attack-witness-richard-gutjahr-speaks-to-dw/av-19401774
And apparently also on hand to film the Munich murders:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/munich-shooting-video-shows-moment-8474976
This kind of stunning coincidence is less infrequent than statistical probability would suggest:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/514198/Will-ISIS-strike-Britain-TODAY-These-chilling-theories-warn-of-IMMINENT-attack
“Private security firm Visor Consultants simulated bomb explosions at exactly the same locations as the 7/7 bombings.
Speaking hours after the atrocity, managing director Peter Power said: “At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning – so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.”
Astronomical odds of that happening given there are 250+ tube stations. In comparison winning the lottery would be a piece of cake 🙂
But there are also a lot of journalists in Europe which reduces the odds of it happening to one of them. The odds against winning the lottery may be astronomical but people frequently do it.
And it’s not just being in the same area as both, remarkable enough, it’s being in a position to be able to film both attacks as they happened. There was supposedly no warning of either attack, and being in a position to film that precise stretch of road from a good vantage point or the Munich shooting from a SAFE vantage point…
There are 270 tube stations in London. Assuming the same station is not used twice the chances are:
(1÷270) × (1÷269) = 0.000013768 or 1 in 72,632
The odds of winning the UK lottery is: 0.000000072 or 1 in 13,888,889
As you can see, a given individual is way, way more likely to select two tube stations than win the lottery. Approx 191 times more likely. Moreover, these stats are meaningless to be used to dismiss the possibility that one person was at both Nice and Munich. As Fred said, a lot of people play the lottery. Someone wins. Some people even win twice.
But discounting coincidence, what is the hypothesis that explains someone has agency at both events and declares it online?
I haven’t seen confirmation but he qualified at Munich University and writes a column for a Munich newspaper so I think there is a strong possibility he has a home there.
Can’t imagine why anyone would be in Nice on Bastille day though.
I was referring to the exact same tube stations being chosen for exercise and then being bombed. Assuming there was no connection between the bombers and the exercise then their choice of stations would have been random. Therefore its like sticking 245 black balls and 5 white balls in a bag, and then picking all the white balls in 5 goes.
Even assuming they wanted to bomb a more central area and you cut the choice of tube stations down to 100, the odds of picking the same 5 from 100 are still somewhere around 1 in 70 million!
Oh sugar … I read 5 instead of 2.
Pykrete
OK, so 268 red and 2 blue balls in a bag. What are the odds of picking the 2 blue?
(1÷270) × (1÷269) = 0.000013768 or 1 in 72,632
The odds of winning the UK lottery is: 0.000000072 or 1 in 13,888,889
As you can see, a given individual is way, way more likely to select two blue balls than win the lottery. Approx 191 times more likely.
You may have noticed I am repeating myself.
There are also only 94 tube stations in Munich – but hey lets not spoil the conspiracy theory, I’m sure Gutjahr must have been on that train near Wurzburg on his way home from Nice.
Yes Phil … my “oh, sugar” comment acknowledges the mistake. I somehow managed to think 5 stations got blown up rather than 2.
By the way, you’re applying a permutation but since the order of picked stations doesn’t matter it should be a combination and so the odds are actually half of your figure i.e. ~1 in 36k.
Pykrete
By the way, you’re applying a permutation but since the order of picked stations doesn’t matter it should be a combination and so the odds are actually half of your figure i.e. ~1 in 36k.
OK, I know jack shit about statistics yet still tempted to stand by my calculation.
You blow up one station hitting 0.003703704 odds. The second hits with 0.003717472 odds. I guess you agree with these two figures. Presumably you contest the multiplication of these two figures but I have no idea what you would do with them. Please explain. Show me the maths.
Phil … in stats a permutation is where order matters and a combination is where order doesn’t matter. Suppose you have 4 balls numbered 1,2,3,4. You need to pick balls 2 and 3. If you need them in that order the probability of picking ball 2 is 1/4 and then ball 3 is 1/3 so the probability of picking them in the right order is 1/12. Now if order doesn’t matter the probability of first picking either ball 2 or 3 is 1/2, and for the subsequent ball 1/3 and the probability becomes 1/6.
More generally the number of permutations for picking p items from n total items is n! / (n-p)! and combinations is
n! / ((n-p)! p!) where ! is the factorial function (e.g. 4! = 4x3x2x1).
Anyway, enough of this. Suffice to say you were half right and I was totally wrong 🙂
Pykrete
OK, I get it. Ta.
(2÷270) × (1÷269) = .000027537 = 1 in 36,315
Pykrete
Suffice to say you were half right and I was totally wrong
Ha, sorry, you’ll have to excuse me. I’ve been away and forget how exchanges are measured here, right, wrong, up, down, hero, chump. I can do that. I have done and feel the pull now writing this passive aggressive smug twattery. Quick, help, please choose between the two responses below:
1) LOL, I was proved slightly less wrong, you friggin troll loser.
2) Thanks for helping me better understand some basic stats.
Accept he wasn’t on hand to film the Munich video – the idiot originally posting the conspiracy theory on youtube made it very clear in a comment underneath that Gutjahr did not film the video.
Fair enough. When I had a look earlier it seemed a few news agencies were citing him as the author of the footage instead of the reporter, an honest mistake. I’m relieved.
With reference to the above comment, it might be helpful to point out that the link provided is to an artlcle on the pretentiously named “globalresearch” website written by the ineffable “Professor” Michel Chossudovsky.
The loopiness of that website and many of its contributors has been amply demonstrated on here in the past.
No such thing has been demonstrated, ‘amply’ or otherwise.
You mistake assertions, repeated constantly, for argument.
In the absence of going back to past demolitions of Globalresearch on this blog, which you probably participated in a prior guise, is this enough evidence for you?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch
Habby is quite right, not about Globalresearch, to which both Craig and myself have contributed articles, but to the site you link, rationalwiki.
“The loopiness of that website and many of its contributors has been amply demonstrated on here in the past.”
Then you will easily be able to debunk the points that it makes about Globalresearch – but perhaps you might wish to do so on your own site – bearing in mind that last time you linked to an openly racist web page to do so as a means of insulting myself, for which you have yet to apologise.
John.
I quite agree with your point of view, on GlobalResearch, the attempts in the past by certain individuals in here, (who’ll remain nameless) to discredit it, have not succeeded.
Still they persist in their actions..sigh!
Now who was it that introduced us to a real loopy website, with the moniker of StopFake…ah yes, I recall now.
Incidently John, it appears that rationalwiki, is ran by disgruntled, ex-Conservapedia staff.
This report doesn’t show rationalwiki, in a good light, maybe it should be renamed irrationalwiki, just a thought.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/The-RationalWiki-Foundation/Albuquerque-New-Mexico-87106/The-RationalWiki-Foundation-RationalWiki-Rational-Wiki-RW-Rationalwikiorg-Rationalwi-1143383
Chossudovsky is the son of a Russian J-wish émigré, the career United Nations diplomat and academic Evgeny Chossudovsky, and an Irish Protestant, Rachel Sullivan.
Chossudovsky joined the University of Ottawa in 1968.[3] He was a visiting professor at the Pontifical Catholic University of Chile during the 1970–1973 government of Salvador Allende. It was the effects of General Augusto Pinochet’s post-coup policies which sparked his interest in what he termed “economic repression”
That’s the same General Augusto Pinochet that Thatcher freely gave “sickness benefit” to while denying British Citizens the same, about the same time Bush and “The Cowboy” were giving the other fascist dictator Marcos “protective custody” in Hawaii.
Hey, I’m so willing to go head to head with you on this one Habbabkuk because I owe it to my late wife.
Thanks for the potted biography, Alan, although I fail to see its relevance to the question of the good Professor’s loopiness.
Could I suggest you cease referring to your “late wife”. Using her as some kind of explanation or justification for expressing your rather strange views on here is in extremely poor taste.
Well said Alan bravo, Habb, doesn’t like to be put in his place so to speak, as for the website GlobalResearch, I find it informative.
“informative” – no surprises there, then.
Speaking of which here is a “informative” article from the site, but I’m sure it’s all deranged lies and loon conspiracy, in your book?
“Donald Trump’s running mate Mike Pence is a neocon Tea Party hardliner, an imperial war cheerleader, an evangelical supporter of Israel.”
“Clinton’s VP choice, Virginia Senator Tim Kaine, is cut from the same mold – pro-war, pro-Wall Street, pro-corporate favoritism, pro-neoliberal harshness, pro-regressive trade deals like TPP, anti-labor rights, pro-serving wealth and power interests at the expense of most others.”
Ah the sheer utter madness of the above information is incomprehensible, I’m sure they’re not the “real” running mates globalresearch must’ve made them up, isn’t that right Habb?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/senator-tim-kaine-hillarys-deplorable-choice-of-vice-president-running-mate/5537456
Monsieur Flanby is the most dangerous man in Europe.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/monsieur-flanby-is-more-dangerous-than-he-looks-7715334.html
bit of an old chestnut and it came from Sarky.
However it would seen that the pudding president only has half a year to get his presidency back on track, he has repeatedly claimed he would not seek re-election as President of France
if unemployment is not lower at the end of his presidency that at its inauguration.
it is currently between 10% – 11%
more than twice as high as in U.K. or Germany.
So on the face of it his presidency is toast, are there any rabbits he could pull out of the Harry Potter sorting hat?
Like
STATE OF EMERGENCY ( extended, so far, four times)
WAR WAR WAR – send the Charles de Gaulle to SYRIA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_aircraft_carrier_Charles_de_Gaulle_(R91)
bomb SYRIA, bomb LIBYA, bomb IRAQ,
drone centers in the Sahel and so forth
michael norton
July 23, 2016 at 17:34
“Well guess bloody what
Jane Kennedy Merseyside police and crime commissioner,
who is so upset at the “REALLY VILE” homophobic emails and telephone calls that Ms. Angela Eagle has been getting
no doubt for trying to get rid of J.C.
was a bigwig in the last NULABOUR government”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Kennedy_(politician)
………………………………………………………..
From the same wiki entry you will find that she is also a member of Labour Friends of Israel to boot!
What is the connection between someone in the Labour Party being upset about a party colleague getting unpleasant and homophobic emails and the fact that that someone is a Friend of Israel?
The old hard left crime of guilt by association. Friends of Israel is the equivalent of “Mornington Crescent” when they meet in their cells – although Blairite now runs it a close second.
Well guess bloody what
Jane Kennedy Merseyside police and crime commissioner, who was Member of Parliament for
Liverpool Wavertree from 1997 -2010, was followed by Luciana Berger who was appointed Shadow Minister for Public Health on
8 October 2013, before becoming Shadow Minister for Mental Health on 14 September 2015.
Luciana Berger resigned from the Shadow Cabinet on 27 June 2016.
Is there a pattern here?
So is Luciana Berger M.P. for Liverpool Wavertree
very, very, very upset about the “REALLY VILE” homophobic emails and telephone calls that Ms. Angela Eagle has been getting, so upset in fact she has written a letter to J.C. and resigned en mass with many others on 27 June.
Is there a pattern emerging of people be so offended over others perceived abuse that they have to write letters to J.C. and
RESIGN en mass?
The latest BS that the presstitutes are pumping out…
“Holidaymakers heading to the continent continue to face hours of delays on roads to Dover in the wake of increased security checks imposed by French authorities on Friday.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/port-of-dover-seven-hour-delays-border-checks-france
Actually, the delays are mainly due to the ongoing wave of demonstrations and strikes in France…
http://www.heart.co.uk/sussex/news/local/strike-action-in-france-affects-sussex
France is in a state of open revolt at the moment, and there is a complete media blackout about it (hence the link to a local paper above).
Oh, and I could add that last year, when we had a similar situation with strikes in France, the presstitutes blamed all the delays on ‘rampaging immigrants’ in Calais.
You gotta laff.
The strikes in France are always explained away as anything but strikes, and workers exercising their right of withdrawing their labour as a freeman/freewoman. The echo chamber cannot entertain even the whiff of insurrection and strikes even in other countries.
However it is with pride that we can announce; Stasi eat your heart out!
More than 500,000 public sector workers put through Prevent counter-terror training in bid to spot extremism
…. one provider charges up to £30 a head for a module that uses a snakes and ladders game to teach people about paths to radicalisation.
The Government wants to teach staff to contact their authority’s designated “Prevent lead” when they have concerns about an individual, such as a student or even a patient.
Prevent was introduced by the last Labour government, but it was transformed under Ms May. She widened its scope to include non-violent extremism in 2011 when she also encouraged many authorities to start training programmes.
Whatever none violent extremism could mean?
Non-violent extremism could consist= to give just a couple of examples (all of which have appeared on here) – in inciting others to commit acts of violence (in that the inciter is not himself is not committing such acts), in expressing extreme anti-semitic or racist views, in claiming that every politician is being blackmailed by the security services…
The keyword is “extremism”, which can take violent or non-violent physical) forms.
If the key word is “extremism” then just about every western Government is running extremist policies, and are therefore guilty of violating their own laws.
The level of migration into Europe is extreme when referenced to all other historical migratory episodes.
Foreign military adventurism is running at extreme levels when placed in historical context.
Globalization and the consequent western de-industrialization is an extreme policy, and is resulting in consequent extreme pressures on social cohesion.
Money printing and negative interest rates are extremist policies.
The hijacking of free trade and its morphing into things like TTIP is an extremist policy.
I don’t think even the Stasi would have come up with ‘Prevent’!
Under this scheme just about all the ‘non-violent extremists’ on this and other boards would be under investigation by the authorities.
One of the champions of Prevent is now prime minister of the UK.
I need a drink…
This is the kind of creeping fascism that Germany 1930 was subject of and we all know what a lovely p[lace that turned out to be. This 1984 on steroids, Kafka and Orwell will soon be amidst the those considered “extremists” and their publications will be banned as manifestly “radicalising”.
PS note the “antisemi…..” shoved in there quicker than a blink sec
“Under this scheme just about all the ‘non-violent extremists’ on this and other boards would be under investigation by the authorities.”
_______________________
What makes you think that some of them are not (or at least on file)?
Fedup
Are you claiming that there is no such thing as “non-violent extremism”?
Non-violent extremism is ‘vocal or active opposition to fundamental British values, including democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and mutual respect and tolerance of different faiths and beliefs’, which is ‘not accompanied by violence’ (Prevent strategy).
I wonder if anyone can see a few problems with this definition. For example, should Iain McNicol now be in gaol?
Should we conclude that ‘vocal or active opposition to fundamental British values, including democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and mutual respect and tolerance of different faiths and beliefs’ is perfectly acceptable as far as you’re concerned – provided it’s not accompanied by violence?
If it is then the obvious conclusion must be that you are no friend of democracy, etc.
John Spencer-Davis it is the deliberate ambiguity that renders these laws to be applied at will for any whims of the “authorities” even going so far as detaining a granny who has shaken her fist at the police or god forbid at one of the MPs!
The laws concerning counter terrorism are the reincarnation of the emergency acts of WWII that have been rehashed to contain the coming waves of dissent in the face of the bankster’s world order that is robbing the poor even from their lives, all in the way of maintaining the current fiat money arrangements and ponzi constructs thereof.
Exactly, Fedup. Iain McNicol, for example, or at least whoever in his department was responsible, has shown remarkably active opposition to democracy by suspending the Brighton, Hove and District Labour CLP and annulling its recent elections without troubling to make any enquiries as to whether or not the allegations on which the decisions were based had any substance (in fact, they didn’t – they’re rubbish).
Does Iain McNicol get arrested and face charges for this profoundly anti-“British” behaviour? No.
Incidentally, I was under the impression that one fundamental human value (“British” value my arse) was a commitment to freedom of speech, even for views one hates.
You write that British values include “mutual respect and tolerance for different faiths and beliefs” You go onto claim that anyone who does not share such values is “no friend of democracy etc”
Really? As I understand it the UK is now home to a range of “faiths and beliefs” some of these “faiths and beliefs” extol the virtues of criminalizing homosexuality, the necessity of female genital mutilation, the concept of honor killings and the punishment of adultery by death. Still other “faiths and beliefs” believe that the body parts of albino’s can be used in a variety of medicines, and that chopping body parts off of albino’s is not problematic since albino’s are able to regrow severed limbs, and they are in any case immortal beings.
Are you respectful of, and tolerant of, the types of “faiths and beliefs” briefly described above?
Loony, don’t be silly. You know perfectly well what is meant by mutually respecting and tolerating different faiths and beliefs.
I do know exactly what is meant by the phrase “mutually respecting and tolerating different faiths and beliefs.”
Once again it is you that seemingly does not know the meaning of a relatively simple phrase. Surely you do not interpret this phrase as “NOT mutually respecting and tolerating different faiths and beliefs.”
and how do you keep the masses mesmerised?
with fear and loathing of others? 911style attacks, divert attention away from the real problem of economic stagnation, high unemployment and a failing security system.
Thanks for those links, RobG ; glad you’ve been able to penetrate the French media “blackout” you were complaining about 🙂
I note that neither La Voix du Nord nor L’Express talk about “a state of open revolt”.
They talk about “demonstrations”.
To be noted that the Express article points to a considerable discrepancy between organisers’ and police estimates of the numbers demonstrating – eg, the organisers’ figure for the whole of France is 1,300,000 whereas the police estimate is 120.000.
One must therefore conclude that talk of a “state of open revolt” is wishful rather than accurate.
And you for “Socialist Worker”.
We’ll have to join Angela Eagle and Owen Smith as a double act on Blackpool pier.
I think you will find that the Heart link you refer to was at the start of July, It mainly refers to the strike by French Air Traffic controllers (there isn’t one today (although their Italian colleagues are having a minor one and it refers to delays at Sussex ports – Dover is in Kent. And Heart is not a local paper but a radio station.
Apart from that not to bad.
So he got most of that wrong, eh? Typical for this time in the evening.
No idea what you were on in the garden today but either that or the sun got to you. The first link contains a tweet from P&O Ferries.
“waiting times are varying from 300 to 600 minutes. On arrival to the port the waiting time is approx. 110 minutes.”
Of course it is easy for someone to make a mistake regarding timelines but to rub it in, specially when you make ‘bad’ a verb is pretty bad.
Thanks for correcting my typos – if only you were so vigilant in correcting RobG using a link from 3 weeks ago as an account of what was happening yesterday.
Don’t lecture me, you little prick.
I posted links here to French news organisations, but the Mods removed them. I originally posted the Heart Radio link because there is a media blackout (which is why most people are incredibly dumb as to what’s going on) and you won’t find anything in CIA rags like the Times or Guardian or Daily Mail, etc.
I don’t know whether you’re a spook, or whether you’re for real. If you are for real, God help Britain.
If the mods are removing links which are as inaccurate as you Heart link then they shouldn’t – they should just leave them there so they can be ridiculed. But my guess it was the foul mouthed content of the rest that was removed. There is not a media blackout in France – as anyone with a web browser can quickly find out.
Have any serious economists or economic commentators (no, not Max Keiser, that Putin stooge) expressed support for Mr Jeremy Corbyn’s economic prospectus (insofar as he has revealed it)?
What is a “serious economist”?
Are money printers and advocates of negative interest rates serious? How about proponents of helicopter money, are they serious?
What about economists who argue that entrenched criminality within the finance sector is a price that must be paid in order to avoid economic meltdown – are they serious?
Are the Fed, the BoJ, the BoE, the ECB and the SNB serious? If so why?
It is hard to see how any proponent of helicopter money could have any in principal issues with Corbyn. Most likely there is a difference of opinion as to the appropriate demographic to drop money on.
Perhaps I should have expressed myself more clearly or perhaps you should have read my question more carefully.
Anyway, to help you (and perhaps others), let me rephrase it as follows:
“Have any serious economists or economic commentators (no, not Max Keiser, that Putin stooge) come out and said, specifically, ‘ Mr Jeremy Corbyn’s economic prospectus (insofar as he has revealed it) makes economic sense, is realistic and achievable, and is a far better way forward for the country than the policies currently practised’?”.
I note that you continue to fail to define what you regard as a “serious economist” Given the penchant for economic policies that only a few years ago would have been considered literally insane by both serious and non serious economists this is a question of some import.
What is known is that current policies are crushing the velocity of money indicator. There is no example in recorded history of there being a vibrant economy when this indicator is as depressed as it is and remains on a downward trajectory.
It is to be assumed that Corbyn would likely seek to redirect the avalanche of free money to a broader base of recipients – and this should help to improve the velocity of money indicator. If this is the case then presumably Krugman (the high priest of money printing) should be broadly favorable. Other likely support would come from people like Steve Keen and Michael Hudson.
Of course it may be that regardless of chosen policy there is no way forward.
And I note that you have still not identified a single serious economist or economic commentato rwho had specifically and nominatively endorsed Mr Corbyn’s economic prospectus (so far as it is known).
Name some names, do. 🙂
BTW, “likely support” is a supposition on your part and not good enough.
Concrete and specific endorsement, please.
Thank you, Loony.
Loony :
Well you seem to have a pretty high regard for your own economic critiques. Picketty, Stiglitz? Pah! Where can I buy your book? How have the Nobel Committee not recognised your genius?
OK – just for you. “Name” means “a word or combination of words by which a person, place, or thing is designated called or known.” For present purposes the relevant part of the definition is person.
(Paul) Krugman, Steve Keen and Michael Hudson are all names of people, and all of the people named are likely supportive of the types of policies recommended by Jeremy Corbyn.
All of the people named in the foregoing are serious people – and for this reason they are unlikely to engage in publicly swearing oaths of loyalty to each other.
All of the named economists have published bodies of work which are strongly anti austerity. The named politician advocates anti austerity policies. Thus the named economists and the named politician all advocate the same broad policies. Therefore anyone of average intelligence can logically deduce that all of the named people are likely to agree with other in the matter of anti austerity economic policies.
Is there some other language you would prefer to communicate in? as English would appear to cause you certain problems.
So-called “serious economists” disgraced themselves thoroughly with the collapse of 2008. Theirs is a pseudoscience, the theology of the late 20th and early 21st centuries.
Lysias :
So now economics itself is the opium of the people? A novel concept.
If you want to understand what might be in Corbyn’s economic prospectus when John McDonnell gets around to telling him what it is – you can find lots of details in the party within a party that McDonnell has been running for many years. Here is a as good a place to start as any
http://www.l-r-c.org.uk/policy/programme-for-a-real-labour-government
This rather vague drivel from McDonnell might also give some idea of the direction of travel. I must say that I found the reference to Harold Laski somewhat disconcerting – but I daresay that it will warm the cockles of Bevin’s heart.
http://www.john-mcdonnell.net/full_house_at_lse_for_john_mcdonnell_s_talk_on_labour_s_economic_policy
If Corbyn was directed by McDonnell then he would be leader of our party (that’s not your party, I mean the Labour Party, you know the party of which Keir Hardie was our first MP).
Since we are being picky, perhaps you missed out a whole word in that.
I don’t think paying out £25 and falsely signing a declaration yet gives you the right to have more claim to belong to the Party than someone who has been a member for nearly 40 years and has never voted against it or encouraged others to do so.
Perhaps you might wish to point out where I have expressed views contrary to the Party’s stated aims and values to which you have now subscribed – if only to demonstrate your repentance.
Mr Goss earlier on showed his approval for the statement in the Labour Party’s aims and values about Labour seeking the trust of the people to govern. Perhaps he might wish to comment about how he thinks JC is doing on this score given that the Party trails the Tories 31% to 37% and only 16% think he would be the best Prime Minister in the latest opinion poll? Or does he still thing that the only people who matter are those in the Party?
You’ll no doubt, despite being a vociferous advocate and practitioner for all that went wrong with the Labour Party, who’ll say in front of the firing squad, they only joined the party to ‘get on’.
I did make another longer more thoughtful comment addressed to RD, but the moderation cabal deleted it.
I think a placeholder should be left, so we can see how often – and it is too often – this is happening.
Habbabkuk, how many times do I have to tell you that all you need to do is teach a parrot the terms ‘supply and demand’ and you’ve got an economist? Thomas Carlyle first observed that.
What you miss is that he said this as part his argument for the reintroduction of slavery.
Talking of slavery Res Dis, this a poem I only recently stumbled upon. I found it absolutely chilling.
http://davidsbuendler.freehostia.com/slaveship.htm
I have just been watching (on a foreign TV station) a wealth of video and audio recording on the shootings in the Munich shopping centre. The TV also gave the name of one of the victims, who was a national of the country of that TV station.
I do hope that we shall not be reading comments about how those slayings never happened. Or am I already too late?
Quote: “Einat Wilf is an Israeli politician… Wilf is married to German journalist and television personality Richard Gutjahr.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einat_Wilf
This is the same Richard Gutjahr who just happened to be sitting on a Nice hotel balcony at 10pm on Bastille Day, and filmed the ‘lorry attack’ (with the usual bad quality footage that is put out in these events).
By complete happenstance, shortly after the Nice attack, Richard Gutjahr found himself outside a MacDonalds in Munich, and managed to film an attack taking place*.
* note: it’s still not verified if the mobile phone footage was from Gutjahr; although it is verified that the photos came from him, and the photos came from the same position as the mobile phone footage.
Oh happy days…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLocKzC80gk
Oh, and I should add, for those who don’t follow comments on this bog closely, that my above comments relate to this post from the previous page…
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/07/fox-gould-werritty-israel-please-write-mp/comment-page-4/#comment-614757
There’s loads of other stuff surfacing about all this, but I will keep my big mouth shut for the time being.
Down to only twelve hour delay at Dover, England
BBC ( why do they not mention the Syrians killed by the French airforce?)
Dover ferry port chaos leads to 12-hour traffic jams
“Non-violent extremism could consist= to give just a couple of examples (all of which have appeared on here) – in inciting others to commit acts of violence (in that the inciter is not himself is not committing such acts), …”
No, this would be incitement to violence, if it could be proved to be so. There is nothing new about this offence
“…in expressing extreme anti-semitic or racist views,…”
People ought to be at liberty to express racist views or opposition to any religious faith. We might not like to hear such views. We might consider them to be as outrageous as anti-racist views were considered to be a century ago. But putting up with bad opinions is a small price to pay for being left in peace to make up our own minds.
“.. in claiming that every politician is being blackmailed by the security services…” This really is an extraordinary restriction proposed. A sort of reflected lese majeste: to insult MI6 is to insult the Queen.
These restrictions on liberties reach back to the days of Castlereagh and Perceval, odious authoritarians who couldn’t abide the sound of minds working to deal with the problems of change.
There is nothing wrong with Tories, or even with liberals who believe in the market place as arbiter of all, but this sort of authoritarianism channeled by May, the Blairites and our own private miniaturised version of both, is very close to fascism. It is certainly totalitarianism.
I wonder whether Paul Craig Roberts’ black pyjama’d enthusiasms, disseminated freely on the World Wide Web to his faithful followers, could be considered as incitement to violence?
What makes you wonder that Jim? and perhaps more importantly what makes you wonder such things publicly?
“These restrictions on liberties reach back to the days of Castlereagh and Perceval, odious authoritarians who couldn’t abide the sound of minds working to deal with the problems of change.”
I cannot think of Castlereagh without thinking of the opening lines to Shelley’s ‘The Mask of Anarchy’ and what a great poem that is from such a young man. I think the Labour Party, to the chagrin of some who comment here, is starting to rise like a lion from its slumber with the innumerable supporters who are trying to steer it back on a socialist path under the auspices of a fine leader, who if I understand correctly, is, like Shelley was, and I am, a vegetarian.
” under the auspices of a fine leader, who who if I understand correctly, is, like Shelley was, and I am, a vegetarian.”
And so was Hitler, at least in his later years.
BTW might I suggest you read this
http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/code_conduct
Can we invoke Godwins law?
Oh dear, the Mods appear to have deleted a post which linked to “La Voix du Nord” and “L’Express” in an effort to prove that France was in “a state of revolt”.
Perhaps it was deleted in order to delete my response, which demonstrated that the links did nothing of the sort?
If so, that’s a little like the Stalinist tactic of deleting faces from photos and replacing various entries in the Great Soviet Encylopaedia.
Well done, boys!
You’re someone openly in favour of censorship (you’ve said many times that reader’s comments should not be allowed), but you’re now crying wolf about being censored?!
Although I do agree that my links to what’s going on in France should not have been deleted by Mods.
RobG
What is interesting is that this seems to be a new tactic of the Mods. They don’t like a reply so they delete both that and the original comment. A historian like Craig would suspect that that is rewriting history,
“What is interesting is that this seems to be a new tactic of the Mods. They don’t like a reply so they delete both that and the original comment.”
But that is what you were advocating when you were telling us of your plans to become head moderator. Tell you what, I’ll do like you, and go back and find the date and the time when you said it.
The preferred option would be moderators who would disallow the loopier comments or comments which are just people venting.
Failing that, the current moderators should allow replies which are intended to call the loopies and venters to account.
It’s quite simple really.
RobG, I may owe you an apology regarding Nice. I was convinced that Russia Today had shown genuine footage of the Nice lorry attack on crowds of people celebrating Bastille Day. That may be wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gNAnqlLTK0
Who is Richard Gutjahr, journalist, and what is the Israeli connection? And why has the French government asked for the confiscation of videos of the day (something illegal in French law).
Perhaps you should withdraw the apology
https://www.rt.com/news/351803-horrifying-video-nice-truck/
I did say I “may” owe him an apology. But the videos Russia Today, which we all know is a crap news outlet when it shows footage of the horrors of the Ukraine armies killing the decent civilians of Donbas, screened what appears to be very shocking footage which first convinced me that this was not a false flag.
It does not detract from the fact that Richard Gutjahr, journalist, was at the scene of both this attack and the cafe killings in Germany. And asking what is the Israeli connection is a legitimate question in this context.
Gutjahr was not on the scene when it happened – like many local journalists he arrived after the event. It has been made abundantly clear that he did not do the filming – why are you trying to confuse the picture, for what purpose?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-36873632
Dover getting Bad, to very, very BAD ( piss-take from that Lagarde woman)
now 14 hours
Such a great pity the French weren’t as good at protecting their own citizens in the first place – as they are at playing tit for tat with the UK. A whole new level is uselessness.
“The bombing of al-Tukhar may have resulted in the largest loss of civilian life by coalition operations in SYRIA. There must be a prompt, independent and transparent investigation to determine what happened, who was responsible, and how to avoid further needless loss of civilian life,” said Magdalena Mughrabi, interim deputy director of the Middle East and North Africa Program at Amnesty International.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/19/world/syria-airstrikes-civilian-casualties/
“Anyone responsible for violations of international humanitarian law must be brought to justice and victims and their families should receive full reparation.”
Col. Chris Garver, a spokesman for the U.S. military program charged with fighting ISIS, confirmed that airstrikes were conducted Monday near Manbij.
The U.S.-backed alliance of Kurdish and Arab militias known as the Syrian Democratic Forces launched the offensive in June. The operation aims to keep ISIS fighters from crossing into Turkey and ensure that foreign fighters cannot enter Syria.
A senior administration official called it a hub of ISIS external operations and a “critical supply node” on the road to Raqqa, an ISIS stronghold.
“Cut them off there and they’re totally isolated in Raqqa. So it’s critical, strategic, and we have now launched an operation long in planning to go after it,” the official told CNN in June.
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Manbij’s population density, which is estimated to be in the tens of thousands, makes it difficult to avoid civilian deaths.
If the Americans wanted to stop Is from being re-supplied from Turkey and selling oil to Turkey and having their fighters get hospital treatment in Turkey,
rather than bomb people, could they not just have a word with Erdogan
and tell him to seal the border between Turkey and Syria.
If the Turks did that, after a while IS would be toast?
Simples.
It would appear that Scottish fishermen completely disagree with Craig and Nicky about the EU.
http://www.sff.co.uk/europe-and-scottish-fishing/
“If the UK were to leave the EU, then the UK’s long-lost control over the greater part of the northern European fishing grounds would be restored. This is a statement of fact rather than a killer argument for withdrawal because, of course, there are other factors to consider in the balance…
Despite this, from the fishing industry point of view, leaving the CFP still instinctively sounds like a good thing – more so if the balance between that gain and the other effects of leaving the EU turned out to be positive – and of course, presuming that the UK and Scottish home nation governments could do a better fisheries management job than the EU does at the moment.”
And let’s face it, anybody and everybody could do a better fisheries management job than the EU does at the moment.
And it looks like there are more flies in the ointment:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/23/nicola-sturgeon-must-fix-scottish-gravy-train
No contract to build the navy’s type 26 frigates on the Clyde.
The news that the Edinburgh trams are still soaking up millions came just a few weeks after it was announced that Police Scotland had quietly decided to abandon its new unified IT system, developed by Accenture, following a hail of gremlins and glitches.
In every direction, the terrain of civic Scotland is pockmarked by ruinously expensive and inefficient capital projects that have been characterised by bad governance and a lack of accountability. The multinationals and global entities that the Scottish government always favours for these contracts know that Holyrood will always be around to pick up the tab of their wastefulness and that none of their executives will ever be brought to book.
The new Forth road bridge has been delayed by a further five months owing to 25 days of bad weather in April and May. If this bridge were being built in the Bahamas then you could accept the “bad weather” excuse. This is Scotland.
(The Forth Bridge has a habit of getting enclosed in fog, so why the hell would anybody expect good weather up that way?)
Scotland likes to think that it punches above its weight in new technology and its applications. But the country seems to possess some kind of magnetic force running through it that wrecks every major IT project attempted here. The government has had to seek an extension from the European commission after its new £178m farming payments system had to be scaled back and subsequently failed to meet an EU deadline.
Meanwhile, the new IT system for NHS24, Scotland’s vital telephone health advice service, is four years late and still no nearer to becoming operational. The bill for this currently stands at around £118m, more than 55% over budget. Earlier this year, Holyrood’s public audit committee attempted to unravel the narrative of sheer incompetence through the testimony of several of its hugely well-paid senior executives. It was like watching an episode of The Banana Splits.
Any comments Craig, and perhaps RoS?
One of the main problems with outsourcing infrastructure is that the private sector is full of crooks. When I worked in the private sector, at a very low level, I would regularly be astonished at the dismal behavior that went unpunished – and instead got rewarded. So, these sharks will happily ‘undercut’ a rival bid, and make all sorts of promises, in the full knowledge that their initial quote is horseshit, and their promises laughable. They can only do this because all the best negotiators, and lawyers, work in the private sector. This isn’t anything ideological, it’s just a fact of life. I’ve no problem with buying in skills that the public sector don’t have, and getting advice from companies with experience in relevant areas – but that’s not the same as giving the private sector the whole contract, which they will inevitably stuff up.
Politicians are strange beasts. In their work-life, they are cynical, people-savvy, and occasionally highly devious customers. But the instant they meet someone from the corporate sector, they become cuddles the bear, and believe everything they are told, like some naive school-kid. Some of them, naturally, are just corrupt, and expect to be rewarded. Alas, I suspect that many more are just not that smart, and are easily fooled by the salesmanship, and leader-speak, which pervades Management Consultancy. Though of course, careerism does tend to cloud the judgement of otherwise sensible people.
I will; it’s the Guardian, that should be enough to assure you it’s complete bollocks, but for the SNP there wouldn’t even be a second Forth road crossing. See Alastair Darling and “this ridiculous bridge” and the rest of the NuLab & Tory crowd for treachery exemplified.
IT contractors rip every one off, it’s 95% presentation and bluff, £200 million support contracts aren’t uncommon, management and senior execs of contractor and contractee then share it out between them, when for £2 million it could be done in-house, the £200 million ‘support’ is a series of 17-year-olds who know the star-trek related Admin password as its the same across hundreds of servers and desktops, who get by with just a dessert spoon for a toolkit, turning up to waggle the cables, re-seat shit and re-spray some custom bloatware or the mega-bloatware that is the Windows o/s, sometimes a substitute machine that came out of the Ark takes another’s place in desperation, or if the original machine has any tasty bits inside. Recalcitrant printers usually get accidentally dropped on the stairs.
I liked that post, Alan (as regards bith substance and style). Perhaps I have misjudged you slightly. Keep on in this vein and I shall formally admit it on here.
Firstly Alan I’d like to say no nation is a utopia, Scotland isn’t any different in that aspect, and certainly not financially, cuts have to be made, to suit its cloth, thankfully we’ve not wasted obscene amounts of money on WMD’s though.
“The news that the Edinburgh trams are still soaking up millions.”
The Edinburgh tram project was if I recall right a faux pas by a Tory/Labour admin. The Scottish government had to step in to complete the project, as it would’ve been more expensive to abandon it. The inquiry into the botched contract is indeed costing millions, due to the incompetents of Tory/Labour admin.
Though by the cost and time of the Chilcot report, the trams inquiry will be just a blink off the eye. The inquiry will also look into any abnormalities, in payments, having one Tammany hall, in Glasgow city council, is enough for any country.
The police IT system failure, is not down to any fault of the police force, from what I’ve read it’s the company’s system that can’t handle the data, or it hasn’t been designed properly to fit its needs.
On the subject of the new Forth road bridge, I’m rather surprised that the delay to open it isn’t much longer. The Weather can be foul and at times is – the Scottish government did the right thing however in building the new bridge, as the old one is in poor condition. Most people living on the East coast would agree with that.
Yes the new Scottish governments IT system hasn’t fufilled it remit, however payments have been made to the majority of Scottish farmers, though possibly not the full amounts just yet. Scotland’s farmers rely heavily on EU subsidies, for them leaving the EU would be disasterous.
Im not too familiar with the NHS24 IT problem, however I’m confident comparing Scotland’s NHS, to the rest of the UK’s, Scotland’s NHS is competitive to say the least.
Of course, most national newspapers and the Guardian is no different, have been (since 2014 indy ref) and still are demonising the Scottish government (SNP).
It’s patently obvious the scaremongering and the too wee too poor, scenarios are beginning to reappear in the press, due to the prospect of a second indy ref.
Many of us have seen it all before, this time around we are prepared.
Alan if you want to read depressing newx about Scotland kn a daily basis, look no further than the Express newspaper, even before the 2014 indyref, the Express was in constant put down mode, with regards to the Scottish government (SNP).
“Firstly Alan I’d like to say no nation is a utopia”
It’s not bad once you get north of Sterling. I particularly like Inverness. And Ullapool is a great place; nice friendly people.
“Yes the new Scottish governments IT system hasn’t fufilled it remit”
We can probably blame Windoze for that.
How did you know I originally spotted that in the Express and then investigated further?
“How did you know I originally spotted that in the Express and then investigated further?”
__________
Alan.
I didn’t know, but I know how the Express feels about the Scottish government and Scottish independence, I and many others watched them from around 2013, to present.
Turkey’s authorities have detained the “right hand” of US-based Turkish cleric Fethullah Gulen, who President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has accused of masterminding the failed coup attempt, a presidency official said.
https://www.rt.com/news/352931-turkey-gulen-aide-arrest/
Gulen’s key aide Halis Hanci arrived to Turkey two days before the attempted coup, according to the official who described him as Gulen’s right-hand man.
“The government is to ban all Latin abbreviations on all its websites to avoid confusing non-English speakers, it has been announced.
Phrases such as etc, ie, and eg will be phased out from all GOV.UK sites because foreign speakers find them “difficult to read”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/government-bans-latin-abbreviations-on-its-websites-to-avoid-con/
This fiendish plot has obviously been brought about by CM and NS in order to dumb us down…We must resist at all costs.
I noted:
666 thoughts on “Fox, Gould, Werritty and Israel – Please write to your MP”
HeHe!
Any moral philosophy experts out there able to critique this little gem from reformed neo-con Reaganite Craig Paul Roberts, he’s had a makeover and now pontificates from a far left perspective. The mods were nervous about the readers delicate sensibilities last night, and deleted any reference to it I tried to post.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/04/11/washington-continues-to-destroy-latin-american-reformers-paul-craig-roberts/
If you don’t like it and are unable to provide a critique of your own, would suggest you refrain from clicking the ‘like’ button.
I don’t like it, you’re right. My critique was posted months ago here, in debate with some of his staunch admirers. I’m interested to hear the views of any other of Roberts’ fans, some of whom are equally admiring of Jeremy Corbyn.
Glad you’ve seen through the egregious Dr Paul Craig Roberts, Jim (have I already said that?)1
Having followed the fruitcake over the years, I cannot recall a single prediction of his that has been realised.
He is, together with “Professor” Michel Chossudovsky, the silliest man in the blogosphere.
Silly is one word for him, I could think of others more appropriate. FranzB posted some horrendous details of ‘special-ops’ in South America from the Reagan era, the stuff of nightmares. Enter stage right….Craig Paul Roberts! Move on a few decades to find where he positions himself these days in regard to politically motivated mass murder at the other end of the spectrum…enter, stage left.. Craig Paul Roberts! What a guy!
I was just being polite, Jim, on order to deprive the moderators of an easy excuse to delete my comment.
I know Habbs, it just gave me the chance to further express my, er..mild distaste for the guy.
Jim you would appear to be confused on a number of levels.
Paul Craig Roberts was never a neo-con. Hence he cannot be a reformed neo-con.
I do not know what “special ops in South America” you are referring to. However I would not be surprised if you are confusing South America with Central America.
What is so controversial about the article you repeatedly reference? It comprises a recapitulation of the Monroe doctrine. It suggests that the only way for South America to free itself of malign US influence is by way of revolution. Here he echos the observation of JFK “that those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.”
He contemplates the reversal of the Chavez social revolution in Venezuela and highlights the fact that Chavez left internal counter revolutionary forces unmolested. All successful revolutions appear to have one thing in common; namely they liquidate or or otherwise neuter internal counter revolutionary forces. He highlights the Khmer Rouge, but could equally have highlighted the French Revolution, the Iranian revolution. or the Bolshevik revolution.
The Khmer Rouge is of interest since the revolution was reversed – but only by outside forces. If you intend feigning moral outrage over the policies of the Khmer Rouge please bear in mind that Pol Pot enjoyed the support of Margaret Thatcher – and if you study Hansard you will find evidence of this fact.
Of course not Loony, Ronald Reagan administration apparatchiks could never be described as neo-con could they? Reaganomics was the high point of Keynsianism. Of course, how could I have been so mistaken! Thanks for that. Craig Paul Roberts bears not a scintilla of responsibility for the horrors described in FranzB’s post, which you appear too lazy to even look at. I’m totally convinced by your lucid and nuanced critique of Roberts’ wee gem of an article, thanks for putting me right. I remain sir your ‘umble servant…
‘Feigning moral outrage’
You may have noticed that Roberts appears rather keen on the handiwork of the glorious Pot. That’s the whole point of his piece.
Whether Paul Craig Roberts “appears rather keen on the handiwork of the glorious Pot” is a matter of opinion. I have sought to explain to you why such a contention is likely wrong.
What is not a matter of opinion but is a matter of fact is that Pol Pot was supported by the British Government. I suggest that support offered at the time by the British government was of rather more use to the Khmer Rouge than the observations of a man writing almost 40 years after the event.
It’s not ‘a matter of opinion’. It’s a matter of black and white typed letters to that effect on his own blog. Read it again. There is no ambiguity there whatsoever.
But that’s beside the point really. What I’m actually pointing out, as if you didn’t know, is the fondness some staunch JC fans on here have for his malignant views. They twist and turn and lie and wriggle, but the facts are plain.
The “horrors described in FranzB’s post” does not provide sufficient detail to readily find what you are referring to. Tell me where to find it and I will look at it. Without even seeing it I would still lay money that you are confusing South America with Central America.
I this thread I think, from yesterday or the day before. All about the horrific dirty dealings in, as you correctly state, Central America amongst others. Just scroll back a bit, it’ll take a few minutes that’s all. I’d heard it all already years ago, but worth reminding oneself about the reality. Grim, grim stuff.
“Glad you’ve seen through the egregious Dr Paul Craig Roberts,”
It occurs to me that he may have had some kind of conversion on the road to Damascus, but as he lives so far away from Damascus, across the ocean, in the USA…No!
“Do YOUR day job” Whingeing Sturgeon told FORGET independence as Scot economy FLATLINES
Ms. Nicola Sturgeon has come under renewed pressure to put aside her dreaming of independence amid a flatlining Scottish economy.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/691577/Nicola-Sturgeon-Scotland-independence-economy-flatlines-day-job
Experts yesterday warned the country’s growth prospects are “probably bleaker now”
than since the height of the financial crisis eight years ago.
Official figures revealed the economy saw 0.0 per cent growth in the first three months of 2016 – the last full quarter before the historic BREXIT vote.
Oh dear “it’s” coming off the rails.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36874618
Members of the RMT union have begun another one-day strike in their dispute with ScotRail.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36826048
Cost of inquiry into Edinburgh tram project hits £3.7m
Industrial action on seven North Sea platforms is still expected to go ahead after talks failed to resolve a dispute between unions and Wood Group.
More than 300 members of Unite and the RMT – who work on seven Shell installations – are expected to begin an overtime ban on Monday.
They are also set to hold a 24-hour strike on Tuesday over cuts to pay and allowances.
Wood Group rejects claims some workers face cuts of up to 30%.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-36866398
Some government ministers ( recent past and brand new) seem to be spitting hate, yet they also claim to be against hate crime.
Remember, recently George Osborne threatened to give the pensioners a “punishment beating” if they dared to vote against his wishes and went for BREXIT. Well, the pensioners voted for BREXIT and Osborne is history.
Now Theresa May has moved up from six years at the Home Office to the even more lofty post of Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
In her place she has appointed the horrible Amber Rudd.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd said:
“Hatred directed against any community, race or religion has no place whatsoever in our diverse society
and it needs to be kicked to the kerb.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36875533
Can anyone spot she wants to give people a kicking if they have views she now finds unacceptable?
France 24 gives a break-down of the lorry drivers “friends”
worth reading.
http://www.france24.com/en/20160722-france-what-we-know-about-five-suspects-nice-attack
another day for our roving reporter. From brexit to sturgeon to Nice in three fast posts.
Have you written to your MP’ yet Michael? and or, do you ever wanted your own blog?
I write to my M.P. very often, usually about not allowing Hinkley Point C to go ahead.
He does not answer.
He thinks it will be fantastic, even though point out.
1) E.D.F. and AREVA are both essentially bankrupt , both 3/4 owned by the French State,
kept alive with masses of French Public Money.
2) France is no longer a country which can afford its massive public sector. It must start failing in a big way soon.
3) France in in a state of Emergency – how do we know it will not collapse into anarchy.
3) No power station is yet running, built with the AREVA European Pressure Reactors,
yet this is what is planned for Somerset.
4) Terror – a BIG double plant like Hinkley Point C will be a huge target.
If it blew up it would be the end of that part of Britain – for ever.
5) nobody yet has a solution of how to dispose of the waste.
6) it will be the most expensive electricity known to man by 3 times.
I would not spend too much time worrying about Hinckley Point. There is more chance of alien being discovered than of Hinckley Point reaching commercial operations.
7) Tsunami, it could / will happen again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Channel_floods,_1607
Hinkley Point is on The Levels, that means it is at or “just” above sea level, much of the levels are now under water, since the retreat of the last glaciation, about fifteen thousand years ago, the sea level has been rising, estimates put it something like 400 feet above glacial levels. A couple of years ago for many weeks The Levels, were again under six feet of sea water. It was essentially lack of planning for natural disasters that lead to the multiple and on-going disasters in Fukushima.
Future recurrence of Tsunami on The Levels
While the risk of similar future events is considered to be low, it is estimated that the potential cost caused by comparable flooding to residential, commercial, industrial, and agricultural property could range from £7 to £13 billion at 2007 insured values. Concern has also been expressed that the nuclear power stations at Hinkley Point and Oldbury could be endangered.
On the 400th anniversary, 30 January 2007, BBC Somerset looked at the possible causes and asked whether it could happen again in the county.
“Residents have expressed their outrage that the tents of the homeless are being cleared up by Milton Keynes Council, and some have even had eviction notices put on them, despite these tents being issued by charities and organisations trying to help homeless people the city.”
http://streetskitchen.co.uk/outrage-as-milton-keynes-council-admit-it-destroys-homeless-peoples-tents/
I’m sure the homeless people can take great comfort in the fact we’re spending billions on WMD’S.
This has got through the news blockade from France
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/23/wine-wars-fury-and-arson-in-the-vineyards-of-southern-france/
I can now understand why our French correspondent is so worried.
Do you mean he’s worried that supplies of his favorite tipple might be cut off?
Being in the Bordeaux region, a half-way decent bottle of vin rouge can be obtained for about 3 euros. We’ve also got a canopy of vines over our large back terrace. We get about 50 litres of wine from this each season; mind you, it’s all gone in a week or so.
The Telegraph article that Resident Dissident links to is sort of accurate, I’m just surprised that it wasn’t mentioned that Jeremy Corbyn is the mastermind behind the Comité d’Action Viticole (Wine Action Committee), a shadowy group of “wine terrorists”.
True Jezza must come clean and order his brutal wine terrorists to stop bullying the lady drinkers in the neo labour enclave of the Westminster at once, but we all know Jezza has no control over his own wine terrorists!!!!!
The self immolation stories are coming think and fast. The welsh dude who was an unknown entity a couple of weeks ago believes that the labour party will vote for him because he is in the labour party!!!!
I defy any of the denizens sniping at Corbyn to stand as independents in the next elections and see how many votes will they have? Most their constituents don’t even know the scallywags so used to cheap booze, subsidised meals, and darn good salaries with expenses galore and lots of fringe benefits whom have come to believe they are owed their life styles and the plebs can go eat cake!!!!!!
“We’ve also got a canopy of vines over our large back terrace. We get about 50 litres of wine from this each season; mind you, it’s all gone in a week or so.”
You make wine from the creeping vine on your terrace? You philistine!
Be fair, Anon, be fair! I’m sure RobG leaves the actual leaves in place to provide welcome shade for the guests at his establishment. After all, they have paid dearly for their stay.
Well, since your later comment, further down the list, seems to have been deleted by Mods, in my neck of the woods if you help the local farmers with their grape crop in October, once the crop has gone to the commune to be pressed, processed and bottled, you will receive anywhere between 5 and 10 litres of wine for your labours, depending on how many hours you put in during the harvest. I live in sheep and cattle country: the farmers don’t produce grapes on an industrial scale; it’s just small plots.
The vines on our own large back terrace are all of the excellent variety that you find in this part of the world.
Whilst you go off to your zero hours contract job, in grey, damp, miserable weather, whilst doffing your cap and ‘cleaning for the Queen’, I shall sit on my beautiful terrace here in sunny south west France, and raise a glass of excellent Bordeaux to your good health.
“that it wasn’t mentioned that Jeremy Corbyn is the mastermind behind the Comité d’Action Viticole”
Unlikely he lacks the necessary leadership skills if the evidence to date is anything to go by.
What do the following have in common? :
Chris Spivey
“Professor” Michel Chossudovsky
Monseigneur Thierry Meyssan
Moonofalabama
“globalresearch.ca”
Thomas Dishaw
http://www.paulcraigroberts.com
Counterpunch.
You missed out Frank Weltner. I would have thought he would be top of your list.
“More than half a million public sector workers in the UK have received counter-terror training in order to spot and report potential extremists in their workplaces.”
“The Home Office has confirmed that nurses, teachers, child minders and other frontline public sector workers have been put through the controversial Prevent programme.”
“Of the 550,000 now trained, at least 150,000 are public-facing NHS staff, such as doctors and nurses”
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2016/07/24/476627/UK-Prevent-counterterror-training
So the British government is undertaking the largest national spying campaign the dis-United Kingdom has ever seen, no doubt, a Emmanuel Goldstein, wiil be found behind every school desk.
As all manner of civil staff, teachers, nurses etc, are trained to watch other British citizens, and inform the authorities, if they say or act in a manner deemed suspicious. But what is deemed suspicious? And more to the point who makes the rules which deem one susceptible to terrorism?
One must say the government of the dis-United Kingdom makes the rules, rules, that automatically instil fear, and tension into those charged with seeking out children, who look like they’re not playing with their toys, rather they’re contemplating, blowing up some civic building.
In my opinion, it could turn one section of society against another, by the means of presumption. But who’s to say that not intention.
Re the link.
Yes it’s PressTV, so it must be all lies, you know those Iranian’s don’t tell the truth, unlike Western press outlets, such as the BBC.
Israeli subversion works differently in Germany. Richard Gutjahr is a fine example. When Einat Wilf’s hubby is bought he stays bought. So gets to be Johnny-on-the-Spot for the Gladio extravaganzas. A bit too high-profile for his own good. But as always, CIA is working hand in glove with Mossad, so he’ll be all right.
https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2016/07/23/munich-shooting-so-many-odd-facts-surrounding-new-mass-casualty-event/
Thank you for that link.
Discovering who took the McDonald’s footage, is a important step, and the fact confirmation cannot be made on that matter, leaves the authenticity of it open to further debate.
In my opinion it’s not uncommon for security services to use bot accounts, or sock puppet accounts within social media. That could be the reason the person who allegedly took the footage cannot be contacted, they don’t exist.
It could be widely off the mark to say that Operation Gladio B, which substitutes fascists and Nazi’s for Muslims, is well under way around the world, Sibel Edmonds, may well feel justified in her appraisal of the matter, one, might find it hard to disagree with her.
I believe that all this talk about “GladioB” is just garbage churned out by those who have finally woken up to the fact that the original Gladio no longer exists and is therefore no longer much of a stick (if it ever was) with which to beat the “evil West”.
It’s just the product of ConspirLoons and easily-impressed, feeble-minded people.
(Cue links to “globalresearch”…)
Of course you are entitled to believe what you like. However your pretentious comment, is one you hardly believe yourself I think.
I doubt, very much many, in here will disagree with me.
I’m sure they won’t. Birds of a feather and all that….
Who knows whether “GladioB” exists or is garbage? Rational people do not reach judgement absent evidence. I note that you reach a judgement.
Whether it exists or not “GladioB” would appear to serve some form of purpose. Whilst people are agonizing over whether or not it exists they are diverted from recognizing evidence that is in the public domain, and evidence that is incontrovertible and evidence that confirms that ISIS is supported by the US government.
Who needs secret operations when you can have fully public operations about which western public opinion appears entirely indifferent.
I should certainly hope and indeed expect that the CIA and other Western intelligence agencies do work very closely with Mossad whenever necessary.
After all, such close and ongoing cooperation would be a natural response to a phenomenon which is noticeable in the blogosphere and in the real world: namely, that there is a remarkable identity between those who intensely dislike Israel and those who intensely dislike the West; conversely, it is rare indeed to hear anyone express intense dislike of Israel and express the same dislike of Russia/China/ various smelly little authoritarian or dictatorial regimes which strut their anti-West and anti-democratic stuff on the international stage.
“After all, such close and ongoing cooperation would be a natural response to a phenomenon which is noticeable in the blogosphere and in the real world: namely, that there is a remarkable identity between those who intensely dislike Israel and those who intensely dislike the West; conversely, it is rare indeed to hear anyone express intense dislike of Israel and express the same dislike of Russia/China/ various smelly little authoritarian or dictatorial regimes which strut their anti-West and anti-democratic stuff on the international stage.”
Well yes, they both force their god onto us who think he is an imposter god who just couldn’t get his act together. We’re sick of hearing this god crap forced down our throats by the terminally stupid. Is that the reply you were expecting Habbabkuk? God has to die for their to be peace in this world.
And don’t give me one of your condescending answers.
Indeed, where would we be without US traitors working closely with Mossad?
http://www.unz.com/article/remembering-the-u-s-s-liberty/
http://www.unz.com/article/the-uss-liberty-must-not-be-forgotten/
http://www.unz.com/article/leaving-the-crew-of-the-uss-liberty-behind/
All sorts of discredit would ensue.
But of course. Without close CIA-Mossad cooperation, how are you going to finesse CWC and poisoned-weapons war crimes when Sokatronic Chemicals’ DoC export license for the cargo of El Al 1862 turns up?
http://www.vho.org/aaargh/fran/actu/actu03/doc2003/Cohen.pdf
Or when a pit falls off the truck at NUMEC?
israellobby.org/numec/