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March 20, 2021 at 08:55 #69209SA
So Present And Correct is flushing out the ‘conspiracy deniers’ eh? Wouldn’t it be nice if those individuals do not hide behind VPNs and sock puppetry and have the confidence of their convictions tested by just conforming to the rules of discussion?March 20, 2021 at 13:08 #69219Ken MacIntyre
Conspiracy theory: a term of abuse directed against a politically incorrect ordering of the facts. (Norman Finkelstein, The Holocaust Industry)
In other words, anything that challenges the dominant or received views of powetful groups.March 20, 2021 at 13:08 #69220ET
“they are not capable of rational discussion”
I believe everyone is capable of ratonal discussion. It’s a conscious choice whether or not to engage with rational discussion. They are capable but just choose not to bother. Question is why?March 20, 2021 at 14:58 #69235Clark
Ken MacIntyre, yes that’s one way that the term “conspiracy theory” is used; as a term of ridicule to evade discussion. But there’s another way too, and the first way couldn’t work effectively without it. This symbiotic relationship is what I’m trying to clarify.
Taking the example you cite, Finkelstein is right that the Holocaust is played upon to divert and vilify criticism of Israel. But such diversion and vilification is greatly strengthened by the genuine existence of Holocaust denial; indeed, it would look lame without it.
Holocaust denial is an example of conspiracy theory in my second sense above, in that it proposes that all the copious evidence for the Holocaust is merely fabrication by an immensely powerful conspiracy.March 20, 2021 at 15:04 #69236Clark
– “In other words, anything that challenges the dominant or received views of powerful groups.”
How would “Flat Earth”, “Chemtrails” or the “UN Depopulation Agenda 21” stuff fit into this? Do they seriously challenge anything important? Or do they serve as distractions from vital issues?March 20, 2021 at 15:16 #69237Clark
Dredd, March 19, 14:33:
– Foyle’s argument amounts to nothing more than: “Look, see how little kids look up to their parents and do whatever they’re told … that’s you, that is!”
It’s not even true of little kids. Kids constantly create fantasy and make-believe, and get away with whatever they can. I remember.March 20, 2021 at 15:28 #69241Clark
Dredd – “If that’s the highest level of argument that covid critics can proffer, then I’d suggest they’re best ignored.”
If only! Unfortunately, this type of thinking is incredibly pervasive, and there’s a very broad spectrum, eg. hartgroup.org and its apparent front leftlockdownsceptics (which I discovered from this comment).March 20, 2021 at 16:53 #69246PresentAndCorrect
This is a whistleblower’s site, yeah? And you have a problem with anonymity? Weird. And yes please do guess who. I can’t wait to find out who I am.
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[ Mod: Well, OK, if you insist. We know that you are the commenter formerly known as ‘Node’ – who was banned for sockpuppetry (as ‘Ankle Sum’) while under investigation for sockpuppetry (as ‘Wacamole’, ‘Duck’ and ‘Mushy’, among others) shortly after returning from a lengthy ban for sockpuppetry (as ‘Buster’). The evidence has been shared with the rest of the blog team.
Persistent trolls often engage in sockpuppetry via anonymous proxies following a ban. Accordingly, from now on any contribution from a new identity posting via an anonymous server is eligible for suspension or deletion without further explanation. ]March 20, 2021 at 23:09 #69260Clark
Hey mods, just like old times, eh? Tungsten, Steelback, Juniper, Freeborn…
[ Mod: Ah yes, such bitter
sweetmemories of the puppet show known as the “clown car” …
Nostalgia ain’t what it used to be. ]March 21, 2021 at 07:59 #69273SA
You are still anonymous as Node to us and the website owner states in their terms that VPNs and sockpuppetry are not permitted. This is a private blog site not a public utility, and I wonder whether you feel that propaganda comes in under the same umbrella as whistleblowing.