Oops, Schillings Did It Again!

by craig on May 21, 2011 12:26 pm in Uncategorized

A couple of weeks ago, I posted in genuine admiration of Ryan Giggs. Now Schillings have set out to destory his reputation, and rook him of several hundred thousand pounds at the same time. Guido has a good graph:

Plainly Ryan Giggs internet skills are not great, or he could easilly have discovered that would happen.

Schillings did the same thing for Alisher Usmanov, Britain’s second richest man. Schillings had written to all UK mainstream media what is known as a “chilling” letter. It stated that the Uzbek billionaire Usmanov had been in jail in the Soviet Union as a political prisoner, and had been pardoned after President Gorbachev came to power, and that anyone who published anything different would be sued. Our useless mainstream media has still, to this day, not published anything different.

In the interest of veracity I posted what I knew from my time as British Ambassador in Uzbekistan. Usmanov was never a political prisoner. He was a gangster jailed for extortion. He had not been pardoned by Gorbachev. He was pardoned by the state of Uzbekistan, under his gangster friend President Karimov.

Schillings threatened repeatedly to sue me, but they never did, because they know it is true. They threatened to sue my then webhosts, who were so scared they pulled not only my site but many others on the same server. They particularly threatened many Arsenal fan blogs, as Usmanov was trying to take over the club at the time.

The result was that millions of people worldwide, who otherwise would never have heard of Usmanov, learnt he had a conviction for blackmail as the story went viral. I have been told for cetain that the internet furore directly impacted on the willingness of major Arsenal shareholders to sell to Usmanov. Schillings caused the failure of Usmanov’s bid to take over Arsenal. If they had allowed the truth about him to live quietly in a small corner of the internet, that would not have happened.

Even though Schillings never did sue, our power-serving mainstream media has still never mentioned the truth about Usmanov’s criminal past, even when he was last month announced as Brtian’s second richest man. That is why the freedom of new media is so important, and why Ryan Giggs is wrong.

But if you have enough money, you can with effort even influence new media. The Usmanov/Craig Murray affair used to feature prminently on the Wikipedia “Streisand Effect” page linked to above. It has been edited out – when and by whom? It has also disappeared from Usmanov’s own Wikipedia page. And recently on Arsenal blogs, there have been a rash of commenters calling for Usmanov to take over, often repeating the same long comment across several Arsenal blogs. That kind of money buys a lot of trolls.

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  1. Dick the Prick

    21 May, 2011 - 12:54 pm

    Sorry, but could we start at the beginning in HTF is he Britain’s second richest man? Doesn’t just buy lawyers, apparently!

  2. Hi Craig, As an avid United fan I completely agree with you, I honestly do not care about dalliances with women by footballers unless they have promoted their marriage to gain commercial success.

    However, where I depart is on English Law, I use twitter and like it, but I would like to see the UK government make a stand against the American owners by blocking the site for a month. And keeping a suspended suspension overhanging Twitter so they self regulate.

    The only way to protect English Law and sometimes it can be as daft as a brush is to make the necessary changes that are modern and kept up to date as technology progresses.

    And the only way to hurt Twitter is to ensure their expected IPO is dented by the threat of suspension. I am sure many other countries will follow our lead.

  3. Schillings, a london law firm specialising in defamation, privacy and reputation management – as described o their website. It’s starting to look as if, in order to recover from this, they’re going to need…a london law firm specialising in defamation, privacy and reputation management!!

  4. A tekkie might find out who it was. This entry was there on 22.6.2010 on http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Streisand_effect&limit=500&action=history

    “On 22 September 2007, several websites and blogs, including that of Boris Johnson, went offline when site host company Fasthosts pulled the plug on various sites while aiming to take down Craig Murray’s blog. This followed Alisher Usmanov’s objection about allegedly defamatory material on Murray’s blog. Murray, the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, had written a book portraying Usmanov in a bad light. Usmanov hired a legal firm to silence Murray, but this backfired when it became a cause célèbre, and the offending material reappeared throughout the blogosphere. The material, which Murray insists is true, was never removed from his site or book, and Usmanov has never sued despite all his threats.”

    On 29.6.2010 it had disappeared
    /
    See these details under ‘edit’ and ‘history’ –
    /
    (cur | prev) 02:52, 29 June 2010 109.178.199.96(talk) (19,314 bytes) (→Examples: Removed poor examples that have nothing (or very little) to do with the internet. The Streisand effect is an internet phenomenon, after all.) (undo) (Tag: blanking)
    /
    109.178.199.96 is the ip address of the ‘editor’ concerned.

    • Mary,

      Am I understand it can be undone and reestablished? There were lots of links cited I think, esp from bloggerheads, but I really haven’t got time to look them all up. But if it can be reinstated with one click…

  5. For what it’s worth that IP address is recorded as 109-178-199-96.mobile.mycosmos.gr, according to: http://www.geoiptool.com/en/?IP=109.178.199.96

  6. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A84846469
    /
    21 May 2011
    /
    Breaking news: An unnamed premier league footballer has just launched legal action against twitter for revealing that he is the subject of the Imogen Thomas Super Injunction.
    .
    Meanwhile in a completely unrelated story Ryan Giggs’s lawyer has just bought a new speed boat and has made a late entry onto the Sunday Times rich list 2011.

    The spoils of law??!!

  7. “An unnamed premier league footballer has just launched legal action against twitter…”

    One can only hope that this turns out REALLY REALLY badly for the “unnamed” footballer and his legal parasites… er, advisers.

    All I can see right now is a forest of fingers being extended by Twitter, the california courts, the US federal courts, the US federal government, etc. etc.

  8. The shillings must be rolling in at Schillings.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/may/09/us-billionaire-wikipedia-defamation

    Anyone have access to the S Times Rich list for the new legal entrant with the speedboat? See my post above. I refuse to pay Murdoch £1 to find out.

  9. Anon perhaps that mobile registered to Greece was being used from aboard Dilbar.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbar

  10. It is disingenuous to frame the issue of superinjunctions as being about ‘human rights’ because, clearly, this recourse is 1) only available to very wealthy people, and 2) in the process, it is silencing others rights to speak out. It is a bit much that a judge can rule that a person may seek financial gain from disclosing their story, when the wealthy people taking out the injunctions are just as open to allegations of seeking legal recourse to protect their earning power / image rights.
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    One superinjunction even sought to prevent a person from contacting Members of Parliament – how can that be permitted in a democracy? How can we have a judge simply remove such fundamental rights? This is getting into the whole pre-cog thing of punishing people not for what they disclose, but simply for what they know. Maybe the Ryan Giggs’ of the future will simply have people’s minds erased under the terms of a legal order. Along similar lines, there was mention that an MP had been targeted by a superinjunction, clearly a direct assault on the principle of parliamentary privilege. It must not be allowed to stand.
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    (Note to Craig, why does it seem impossible to insert a proper line break between paragraphs, it looks hideous – Using Firefox, PC.)

  11. Sorry, the other point I wanted to make is that it seems a high-profile footballer can block disclosure of an affair, yet the poor funny-haired guy from Bristol who was paraded as a prime murder suspect in the nation’s media, yet was actually wholly innocent, he is not getting much relief from our judicial system, when it comes to the business of protecting people’s rights. Perhaps Scotland Yard shoud’ve issued a superinjunction to cover all the suspects in their investigation. Oh, but then, how would Murdoch et al fill their rags with prurient nonsense (the Guardian and the other broadsheets were just as shameless)

  12. On a different tack the powerhouse behind Schilling is ‘Andrew Call my Bluff’ Caldecott QC – always at the sharp end of media law and I respect his argument for privacy when children are involved.

    Remembering the Hutton Inquiry I was however disappointed in Caldecott’s inability to pin-down Scarlett and the emotional diversions of Campbell away from the ‘dossier’ and lies –

    was it the razor sharp brain of Martin Smith that neutralised the existence of a quiet rebellion Dr David Kelly was compelled to enact out of dismay and repulsion as Britain and the US headed for an inevitable war with Iraq? Or was it Hutton’s brief to protect the establishment?

    Government pressure also produces ‘a lot of trolls’ keen on recognition and power. Yes, David Kelly was a maverick in today’s hostile society, much like Craig – but David bless him, paid the ultimate price.

  13. When it comes to protecting the interests of the Establishment including illicit activities there are many lawyers who limit the defence of their clients to the boundaries set.

  14. Ruth – When it comes to the interests of the high establishment, particularly where the intelligence services are involved, honest lawyers (and human rights organizations) are usually too scared to act at all.

  15. Paul Johnston

    21 May, 2011 - 7:53 pm

    Usmanov has n ot removed this!

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10458700486

  16. Dick the Prick

    21 May, 2011 - 8:11 pm

    It’s lovely that it’s taken celebrity to attack the judiciary. Private Eye have been taking the piss out of Assange but that would never hit the front pages. Get a footballer, some totty and a stupid arse judge and that’s a story. If UK judges want to go global, cool – let’s see the dominion of their fake legitimacy, their unorthodox writ. Supreme judges have to go through select committee grilling & approval – if they want to be political, allow them to engage in politics.

  17. Roderick– When it comes to the interests of the high establishment, particularly where the intelligence services are involved, honest lawyers (and human rights organizations) are usually too scared to act at all.

    I agree but it’s known in ‘criminal circles’ that there are certain firms and chambers that collude and should be avoided at all costs.

  18. Hi Craig

    I know this is off-topic but would you mind having a look at this:

    http://mierleeu.blogspot.com/2011/05/sensuurcensorship.html

  19. Usmanov was at No 1 in Surrey’s Rich List for 2010 as if we care…
    .
    http://surrey.greatbritishlife.co.uk/article/surreys-richest-50-2010–the-top-ten-22635/

  20. Paul Johnston

    22 May, 2011 - 10:27 am

    Re: Mary
    Thanks for that link, rather glad I live up North :-)

  21. Spin doctor and master of deception, Alastair Campbell dismissed Major General Michael Laurie evidence that the Iraq dossier was designed to make a case for war in a recent letter to Sir John Chilcot, the chairman of the Iraq inquiry.

    Campbell said that evidence at the inquiry into the suicide of David Kelly, Gilligan’s source, disproved the BBC’s central claim – that Downing Street inserted intelligence into the dossier knowing it to be false.

    Obviously words from the mouth of a – “top end of the fee scale for paid public speaking” – troll. Dr David Kelly was betrayed, his family traumatised, his wife forced to move from a house and community she loved – and you quote from an inquiry into this man’s death? Who would want to listen to a man like you devoid of compassion and respect?

    Your emotional cries for everyone to read your submission to the Inquiry rather than Newspaper headlines has been heard. I have read the transcript and in your first weasley replies to Sir Roderic Lyne you said this:

    15   SIR RODERIC LYNE:  But you weren’t proactive.  You and your
    16       office were not proactive in pointing out to them that 
    17       a claim that had referred to munitions, essentially
    18       battlefield weapons, was being represented in a quite
    19       different and much more alarming way by some newspapers. 
    20       You just let that ride, you didn’t take any action to
    21       straighten the story?
    22   MR ALASTAIR CAMPBELL:  Well, I didn’t, and so far as I can 
    23       recall…

    Nuff said Mr Campbell – your recollection is correct; the rest of your waffle is beyond the pale.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/12/iraq-dossier-case-for-war?INTCMP=SRCH

  22. The inclusion of the Murray/Usmanov item in the WP article was re-added yesterday by ‘AndyFatBoyMorris’, possibly in response to your piece?
    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Streisand_effect&diff=prev&oldid=430261373
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    It was redeleted today:
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Streisand_effect&diff=next&oldid=430270223
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    The reason given is thus: “(rv – source doesn’t mention SE, not very high quality either -Blog?)”. “rv” means “revert” I believe, and obviously SE refers to the title. Looks like ‘Will Beback’ felt that an online source is not authoritative.

    • I feel pretty sure it is a paid troll doing the deleting. The Streisand effect is a blogosphere phonomenon, so to claim that the hundreds if not thousands of blogs which carried the Usmanov story don’t count.

      Is there an appeal to some uber-editor?

  23. The popular media are preparing themselves for the glitter and pomp of President Obama’s visit to the UK on Tuesday. There is much ado-with a state banquet, organic beef-burgers in the garden of No. 10, a belated look at the Royal wedding venue and the thrill of designer dresses by glamourous First Ladies – and more.

    Some of us will look behind the exchange of presents, the school visits, the veterans party and pre-prepared speeches by coherent and orderly writers; some of us will ponder the real reason for this timely visit. As a precursor to what will be discussed let us remind ourselves how President Obama’s administration blackmailed HMG by threatening to end a mutual agreement on intelligence sharing that must ultimately affect the safety of British citizens.

    Claim No CO/4241/2008
    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/05/12/obama/obama.pdf

    Britain’s Court of Appeal authorized the release of a previously *secret* summary of CIA documents detailing the treatment of former Guantanamo Bay detainee Binyam Mohamed.

    http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fwp-dyn%2Fcontent%2Farticle%2F2010%2F02%2F11%2FAR2010021102939_pf.html&date=2010-02-13

    Amid increasing numbers of ordinary citizens rebelling in the Middle-East and the prospect of democratic elections in Egypt and Tunisia it is clear Obama is stuck between a rock and a hard place in his negotiations with Netanyahu. Britain and America have declared that Israel should cease settlement expansion and return borders to the 1967 agreement. Israel has ignored this statement,immediately announcing new settlement building programs. Israel (and MOSSAD) is getting annoyed again.

    On a broader picture the rise of Asia and Latin America and the dire Western economic climate means the conventional wisdom that shaped our destinies since WWII by groups setting the rules and operating beyond national laws is, well, weakening. The 20/80 rule or 20 percent of the causes of anything are responsible for 80 percent of the consequences now lives in the dinasaur era.

    Our bankers realize they won’t get paid after peddling loans to developing countries, as they did in good times, then pressure the International Monetary Fund to bail out those same governments when they suddenly default on their debts.

    The elite have become nervous – people power – the seeds beneath the deceptive snow have sprouted and are growing rapidly. Protests have already begun in Europe over pay and services, meanwhile Germany is forging ahead peddling high technology to Asia and beyond.

    America is dying and taking Britain down with her demise.

    That I believe is the REAL reason for the Obama entourage next week.

  24. As the prostitute said to her pimp: “ My – he has a huge injunction”.

    But – more seriously – there are others in high places inside/outside Britain who use the same tactics as Usmanov:-
    This is the man who bankrolled the Tories for a decade.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2010/03/the_truth_about_1.html
    And this is an example of the same strategy used by Usmanov and his lawyers:-
    In context:-

    Dear TCI Journal Readers,
    Over the last few months we continue to be the subject of multiple technical attacks upon our website. We encountered another similar such attack again this morning [May 11].
    With aid from some European friends of ours we are now having to restructure the technical backbone for the Journal in order to address the multiple different forms of attack that we have had to endure over the last three and a halfyears. This may require a week, possiblytwo, starting tomorrow.
    We feel the latest adjustments will carry us to at least until the British Special Prosecutor Helen Garlick and her team finally complete their work and what has actually being going on in the Turks and Caicos Islands over the last few years is clearly laid out for everyone to see, and those responsible brought to justice.
    The site will be down during this period.
    Sincerely,
    Editors@TCIJournal.com

    And, in summary:-
    “… two court injunctions and a plethora of bad international press. …”
    “The use by jailed Ponzi scammer Bernard Madoff of Cayman Islands accounts that were linked to a Belize Bank “back side” financial flow channel, has reignited interest in Belize and its number one investor, Lord Michael Ashcroft, the deputy leader of the British Conservative Party and its former Treasurer, who is a citizen of the United Kingdom, Belize, and the Turks and Caicos Islands.
    On March 13, 2009, we reported: “we have learned how some of Madoff’s international operations were conducted. At 3:30 pm every day Madoff Investment Securities employees would call banks in Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands, and tell them to ‘roll the accounts.’ That was insider language for ‘lend the money.’ In some cases, money was moved to the Belize Bank, which was described by a Madoff insider as a ‘back side’ for secretive banking operations in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland.”
    The report also stated: “Madoff’s London operation were handled out of a one-room small office located at 43 Newell Street. Every time Madoff visited the office, the London staff was extremely nervous. According to a Madoff insider, the Madoff London office was nothing more than a “front” operation. There may have also been some synergy between Madoff’s London operations and American International Group’s (AIG/CIA), which reportedly is missing $500 billion from a similar small office pass-through operation in London.” In addition, Charlesworth Shelley Hewlett, who died from “unusual” causes in January, was the accountant who audited the books of Antigua-based Stanford International Bank from his small office between fish and chips shops in north London.
    Ashcroft’s holding company owns Belize Bank, as well as a number of other assets in the country. Ashcroft has also plied funds to Belize’s two main political parties, which means that Ashcroft wins any election in the Central American country, even though when one of the two major parties loses. Ashcroft donated generously to the 2003 campaign of former People’s United Party Prime Minister Said Musa, the victor, but also was a major donor to present Prime Minister Dean Barrow of the United Democratic Party, who defeated Musa in 2008.
    In August 1999, The Times of London reported that Ashcroft’s name appeared in Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) files on drug trafficking and money laundering in Belize. Ashcroft promprly sued the Rupert Murdoch-owned paper for libel.
    The deputy Tory leader is chairman of BB Holdings, the holding company that owns Belize Bank. Ashcroft has owned the bank since the 1980s.
    Ashcroft’s son operates Belize Bank in the Turks and Caicos Islands, another favorite off-shore banking location. On February 22, 2009, The Timesof London reported that Britain’s Electoral Commission was investigating campaign donations to the British Conservatives that originated from an overseas network of companies through Bearwood Corporate Services (BCS), a reputed Ashcroft company which is owned by Bearwood Holdings, which is owned, in turn, by Astraporta UK with Stargate Holdings of Belize being one of Astraporta’s major shareholders. On September 27, 2008, The Daily Mirrorof the UK quoted former Belize Prime Minister Manuel Esquivel, whose one-time close relationship with Ashcroft has grown cold, as saying, “Everything he [Ashcroft] does operates out of the Belize Bank. After he bought it, many new laws were passed which everybody widely believes – and I don’t think he would deny – were basically written by his lawyers. Everything just escalated to where he became the boss.”
    On June 17, 2005, Belize House of Representatives member Mark Espat stated in the Belize House that “For 15 years now, the Carlisle Group of companies, led by Mr. Michael Ashcroft and sporting various disguises such as the Belize Bank, the Belize Holdings and more recently, Mercury Investments, Pillow Talk and E-Com, has pursued a scorched earth campaign to gain control of Belize’s most profitable public company – BTL [Belize Telecommunications Ltd.] . . . Throughout this conspiracy to control and suck dry BTL and its Belizean consumers, it would appear that this government has been an all too willing accomplice. As it has appeared to the Belizean people, the relationship between the conspirator and his accomplice is a ‘Master-Puppet’ relationship.”
    In 1998, Ashcroft merged Carlisle Holdings with his Belize Holdings Inc. (BHI). The global firm owned a number of cleaning companies, including OneSource.
    Madoff’s use of Belize Bank as a back side enterprise has taken on greater significance with the connection to a top British politician and, if the Tories beat Labor in the next election, a possible major British government official. The presence of small “front” operations run by Madoff, Stanford, and AIG/CIA in London also pose additional questions as to the relationship between the Caribbean operations of Madoff, Stanford, and Ashcroft to the current global economic meltdown. In addition, AIG/CIA was involved in shady operations from companies it operated in the Cayman Islands and the Netherlands Antilles, as well as New Zealand, Ireland, and France, through various companies it controlled, including Lumagrove Finance Company Ltd., Palmgrove Finance Company Ltd., and Maitengrove Finance Corporation.
    There is also the “Bermuda connection.” In August 2002, The Guardian(UK) reported that the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, who has held that job since 1961 and who just recently announced his retirement, placed Ashcroft under investigation as part of a tax evasion probe of Tyco, the Bermuda-based company headed up by later jailed firm’s chief Dennis Kozlowski.
    One of Ashcroft’s major critics was the late British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook. On August 6, 2005, Cook died suddenly while hiking in his native Scotland. Prime Minister Tony Blair, for whom Cook served as Foreign Secretary before resigning in protest over the Iraq war, failed to attend Cook’s funeral.
    Lord Michael Ashcroft mirrors Allen Stanford and Conrad Black, who also basically “bought” their royal titles as Sir Allen Stanford and Lord Black, respectively. Black is serving a prison sentence in the United States for fraud involving his Hollinger Corporation, a global media empire. Ashcroft’s virtual control of Belize also mirrors the control that Allen Stanford once held over Antigua and Barbuda. Ashcroft, like Stanford and Madoff, has also maintained a residence in Florida….”
    (http://greatbelize.com/2011/01/02/bernie-madoffs-belize-connection-banking-back-side/)

    Conclusion
    When you speak of money and power, these actually can govern the course of legal events, regardless of who is right and who is wrong. The actual ‘ force of money’, an injunction –or – super-injunction, can indeed intimidate, frustrate and cause horrendous expenditures to would be whistle blowers who are compelled to fight legal actions.
    If all else fails there is either the personal smear technique ( of which Craig Murray has been a victim and is well aware) – or – ultimately actual death ( if Dr. Kelly could speak from the grave).
    So finally – speaking of injunctions and super-injunctions:-
    http://wn.com/Super-injunction

  25. FOR THE PEOPLE – Thank-you Courtenay – I read with great interest.

    May I add a post-script from the Hon. Dean Barrow the Prime Minister of Belize:

    Ladies and Gentlemen, my fellow Belizeans: this 2011 agenda is filled with good things. And even crime appears slowly to be giving way to our now resumed, now unstoppable march of progress. For, while 2010 overall was challenging, we did see a sharp decline in the murder rate for two of the last three months of the year.

    There is one regard, though, in which the sense of resolve that every new year brings, is especially needed now. Our climb out of recession, our growth, our social and economic progress, are all being put at risk by a certain foreign marauder and his local fifth columnists. Just before Christmas a judge of the Belize Supreme Court upheld a 43 million dollar London arbitration award, procured by the Michael Ashcroft interests against the government and people of Belize.

    This award was in connection with a grossly immoral, grossly illegal “Settlement Deed” made by the last administration. Under that accord, Ashcroft’s billion dollar banking conglomerates were, contrary to law, exempted in perpetuity from paying their just taxes to Belize. It was as with the similarly outrageous telecommunications Accommodation Agreement also given to Ashcroft by the PUP. And this government decided, in the name of sovereign justice, to resist unto the skies this serial perfidy. We will continue now to do so, certain in the knowledge that this is a campaign of, by, and for, the people.

  26. Mark,

    Aluta continua!

  27. Thanks Courtenay and Mark for your pertinent comments. Last night I was looking through the comments on Guido Fawkes and the difference between some of the gutter stuff there and the quality of those here is marked.
    .
    Alex Salmond got the better of John Humphrys this morning esp on the farcical g(i)agging order and the fact that the order is outside Scottish jurisdiction.
    .
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9493000/9493828.stm
    .
    ‘Salmond claims ‘overwhelming mandate’
    Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond is meeting the chancellor George Osborne in his campaign to secure greater economic powers for Scotland.
    .
    Speaking to John Humphrys, he attacked George Osborne’s “smash and grab raid” on North Sea oil revenue, which he says could cost 10,000 jobs and billions of pounds.
    .
    “What I’ll be saying to him [Osborne], is that there is a way to get most of the money, but to maintain most of the jobs,” he said.
    .
    “And wouldn’t it be a bit more sensible to do that, as opposed to the rather blunt, panicky, spatchcock, last minute instrument that the chancellor decided on when he was trying to grab as much money as possible in the desperate days before his budget.”
    .
    Discussing the decision by a Scottish newspaper to publish the identity of a footballer who has taken out an injunction, he said the English legal system has “no jurisdiction whatsoever” to intervene.
    .
    The suggestion showed the “arrogance” of the English system, he claimed, and that, in reality, the Scottish and English legal systems have a relationship of “equality not subordination”.
    .
    But, he added, economic and legal powers did not mean an independence referendum was no longer necessary.
    .
    “The mandate I carry is pretty overwhelming” following the elections, he explained, and greater independence was “a matter of respect for a democratic mandate”.
    .
    “Scotland should raise all of its own revenue and be responsible for all its own spending.”
    .
    But “independence, nationality and self-determination are about more than economics,” he added.’

  28. fao Mark and others interested

    Herewith a link to the latest Dr Kelly story which gets murkier by the day. (his dental records go walkies for 48 hours and there was a break in at the dental surgery) from today’s Daily Mail (ie Monday 23 May 2011). This comes ahead of Michael Powers’s scheduled appearance – also today – on the BBC2 programme The Daily Politics to discuss the case. The programme starts at midday.
    .
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389873/Dr-Kelly-police-probe-thrown-doubt-riddle-prints-missing-dental-records.html
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    Dr Michael Powers QC is one of the group of doctors and was a coroner.
    {http://www.medneg.co.uk/index.htm}. I believe that Aaronovitch is on the programme and like Rentoul, Kamm et al is brought on by the establishment to debunk ‘conspiracy theories’. See Aaronovitch’s book Voodoo Histories the title of which is cleverly designed to disparage and belittle.

  29. Thanks Mary – I thought the Area 51 link right in the middle of the report was rather cynical of the Mail.

  30. Courtenay – yes ‘the struggle’ in so many directions continues..

    My peers here are fully aware I am still troubled by my meeting with the late Robin Cook and although I feel stupid repeating myself, I am compelled to expand a bit on a paragraph in your post. You said:

    ‘On August 6, 2005, Cook died suddenly while hiking in his native Scotland. Prime Minister Tony Blair, for whom Cook served as Foreign Secretary before resigning in protest over the Iraq war, failed to attend Cook’s funeral.’

    Robin had become increasingly annoyed by Israeli settlement expansion in the West and repeated burning of olive trees, a Palestinian life-blood. On a visit to East Jerusalem as foreign secretary he was met by a group of Palestinians and called for an end to all settlement construction in the parts of the city Israel occupied after the Six-Day war.

    Netanyahu was furious and told Blair. Blair called a meeting with Alastair Campbell and Campbell agreed ‘Cook had to go’, some place else. Campbell then went on to destroy Robin’s marriage:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-467835/The-day-Alistair-Campbell-killed-marriage-Robin-Cook.html

    When I met Robin he was nervous, he held my hand like a baby and I saw fear in his eyes. After convincing Robin who I was, we talked about our mutual hate for the Iraq war. Just before his driver called him to go, he told me Gaynor had said to him, ‘you must get out of politics now.’ Those words have haunted me to this day.

  31. Back on topic, a hillarious piece in the Mail (I know, I know…) today ostensibly celebrating a well-known fooballer’s record-breaking 12th premiership medal but with some nice puns about his escapades.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1389950/Record-breaking-Ryan-Giggs-leads-family-celebrations-Man-United-wins-title.html

    I particularly enjoyed:

    “Explaining how he kept up his level of performance despite his advancing years, Giggs said: ‘Desire…”

    Childish, I know, but it does stick in the craw how politicians, sportsmen and media “celebrities” use the media when it works to their advantage but gag them when it doesn’t.

    And although I’m no fan of Salmond I did enjoy his interview on Today this morning.

  32. Craig said, “..our power-serving mainstream media has still never mentioned the truth about Usmanov’s criminal past, even when he was last month announced as Britain’s second richest man. That is why the freedom of new media is so important…”

    Recently NatWest, confirmed that it had frozen the British account of Press TV Limited an employer of British citizens.

    Later the independent regulator Ofcom ruled that George Galloway repeatedly breached broadcasting standards on impartiality during a series of Press TV programmes. Other presenters include pro-Palestinian campaigner Lauren Booth and ex London mayor Ken Livingstone both impressive and articulate speakers.

    http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/41633/galloway-corbyn-rapped-ofcom-press-tv-israel-programme

    Now it is speculated that Ofcom has upheld Iranian born Canadian journalist Maziar Bahari’s complaint of unfair treatment and unwarranted infringement of privacy in the making and broadcasting of a press conference where Bahari admitted to giving “false and biased” reports about the events that erupted in Iran after the re-election of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    He went on to say, “Western media are an inseparable part of the capitalist machine of Western liberal democracies. A Western journalist who comes to Iran… is mainly concerned with the interests of the West, which are defined in relation to each issue at every period of time.”

    http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/249091

    I have therefore written a complaint to Ofcom detailed here:

    Dear Sirs,

    The Press TV news website is among the most active and prominent independent sources for coverage of developments on the recent uprisings in Middle Eastern and North African countries in particular, Bahrain and Yemen. The Iran-based website also provide extensive coverage of events in occupied Palestinian territories. Documents released in 2010 by Wikileaks whistleblower website revealed that Britain had concentrated its efforts on halting Press TV Ltd from producing programs critical of Western Imperialism. In an article entitled ‘The Secretive Campaign to Halt Press TV in the UK,’ British journalist and broadcaster Lauren Booth outlined UK’s efforts to support the United States in shutting down the company that markets documentaries and series to the Iranian channel with an identical name. Having failed to find any legitimate problem with the quality or content of the programs produced by Press TV Ltd, the UK’s National Westminster (NatWest) Bank froze Press TV Ltd’s business account without any prior notice in January and stated that the accounts would be permanently closed in end February 2011.

    Press TV has also been put off the air in several Western-backed regional states for covering the popular uprisings in the Middle East and North of Africa.

    Earlier in March, Bahrain interrupted the broadcast of Iran’s Arabic-language entertainment channel iFilm, following its violent crackdown on anti-government protests in the country.

    Press TV has gained popularity for its fair and in-depth coverage in the UK of the revolutions in Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, Bahrain and citizen casualties in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    Freelance journalist Johnny Miller, who covered the uprising in Bahrain for Press TV, was detained, harassed and eventually deported from the country earlier last month for no specific reason. His equipment was also confiscated by the Bahraini authorities.

    In light of the recent attempt by the British government to use Ofcom regulations as a pretext to impose penalties on the Press TV news network and the independent London-based Press TV limited company, Children of Iraq Association (COIA) trustees have voted to instigate a Facebook and Twitter campaign to expose the activities of Ofcom in their pursuit of a case against Press TV for broadcasting an interview with a Newsweek journalist, Maziar Bahari. This case is considered an infringement of basic human rights in relation to freedom of speech. COIA consider this to be an attempt to restrict the broadcasting activities of PressTV in the UK. A representation to the Court of Human Rights is being considered with legal representatives.

    • I don’t approve of attempts to force Press TV off air, but for the last couple of years I have avoided appearing on it because I really don’t approve of the government of Iran and I don’t believe Press TV has any independence.

  33. What a plonker as Delboy would have said.

    I see that he is one quarter Sierra Leonean on his father Danny Wilson’s side. He was a Rugby player. ‘Giggs is said to have inherited his balance and athleticism from his father. Quite.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Giggs

    Still I pity him for the sums that Schillings will be taking from him.

  34. He has been named in the HoC by an MP John Hemming LD. What nonsense but it diverts attention from the real issues, eg the ongoing wars and increasing poverty.

  35. Paul Johnston

    23 May, 2011 - 7:30 pm

    “And recently on Arsenal blogs, there have been a rash of commenters calling for Usmanov to take over, often repeating the same long comment across several Arsenal blogs. That kind of money buys a lot of trolls.”
    This is not the kind of thing you have to buy. The Gooner fans don’t want Americans to buy their club and saddle it with debt a la Hicks and Gilette or the Glazers but want a very rich Sugar Daddy like Roman!

  36. Mark, with the greatest respect, that post of yours on Press TV is – frankly – loopy.
    .
    “the independent regulator Ofcom ruled that George Galloway repeatedly breached broadcasting standards on impartiality during a series of Press TV programmes.”
    .
    In what way can George Galloway be said to be remotely impartial? Do you have the Ofcom report itself?
    .
    “Ofcom has ruled that George Galloway repeatedly breached broadcasting standards on impartiality during a series of Press TV programmes on which he described Israel as “a terrorist gangster state” and a “miscreant, law breaking rogue, war launching, occupying state.” ”
    .
    “Now it is speculated that Ofcom has upheld Iranian born Canadian journalist Maziar Bahari’s complaint of unfair treatment and unwarranted infringement of privacy in the making and broadcasting of a press conference where Bahari admitted to giving “false and biased” reports about the events that erupted in Iran after the re-election of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.”
    .
    Could it be that Maziar Bahari thought that edits of him talking were being used manipulatively? It certainly wouldn’t surprise me. By the way, the idea that Maziar Bahari is “false and biased” is a charge of the Iranian government’s and that is why they locked him up and tortured him:
    http://www.newsweek.com/2009/11/21/118-days-12-hours-54-minutes.html
    .
    Mark, in your letter you say:
    “The Press TV news website is among the most active and prominent independent sources for coverage of developments on the recent uprisings in Middle Eastern and North African countries in particular, Bahrain and Yemen.”
    .
    Press TV is in no way an “independent source”. It is part of the Iranian regime’s propaganda arm. It is paid for by the Iranian state. How can that be called “independent”? While it would be useful to see greater coverage of Bahrain, among other places, have you scoured the site for any damning coverage of Syria’s ruthless and bloody crackdowns on protesters? Do you even know that hundreds of people are being killed there?
    .
    “In an article entitled ‘The Secretive Campaign to Halt Press TV in the UK,’ British journalist and broadcaster Lauren Booth outlined UK’s efforts to support the United States in shutting down the company that markets documentaries and series to the Iranian channel with an identical name.”
    .
    Why on Earth do you think that Lauren Booth’s article in favour of her employers is going to be “impartial”?
    .
    “This case is considered an infringement of basic human rights in relation to freedom of speech.”
    .
    By Lord Haw Haw and Tokyo Rose perhaps.

  37. On Maziar Bahari:
    “During the 2009 Iranian Election Protests he was arrested without charge, and detained on the morning of June 21.[7] He was coerced[8] into a televised confession acknowledging Western journalists as spies ”
    .
    Is this what you mean about Press TV, “broadcasting an interview with a Newsweek journalist, Maziar Bahari”.
    .
    But you complain about Press TV’s human rights being infringed??????
    .
    Keep peddling that bullshit!

  38. I also do not approve of attempts to force PressTV off air, especially by a Murdoch subservient who in a politically motivated article and without documented facts claimed that PressTV was unprofessional in its reporting.

    PressTV gave us admirable reporting on the student riots in Britain and civilian protests in Bahrain while reporting on civilian deaths in Syria albeit claiming foreign intervention by thugs intent on acerbating violence.

    We remember PressTV’s in-depth reporting of aid convoys to Gaza and Israeli war-ship intervention.

    PressTV *is* independent of main stream media and it is in that context I use the adjective.

    The British Foreign Office told the US embassy in London last February that it was “exploring ways to limit the operations of… Press TV.” We know this from US cables published by WikiLeaks.

    Further WikiLeaks documents revealed that British authorities considered use of new anti-Iran sanctions to penalize PressTV Limited who as I stated employs British workers. These workers have been intimadated in an very undemocratic way.

    Personally I support PressTV and would accept any offers of interview without remuneration. They have helped and continue to help my cause together with English Radio World Service in my endevours to gain support for disabled children in Iraq and now Palestine.

    Let us remind ourselves of the plight of Al-Jazaara, a pioneering news agency who, while covering the murders in Iraq, sustained bomb attacks and threats of being ‘taken down’ ‘one way or another because it constitutes ‘enemy media’ – not so looney now eh?

    At the time U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld described Al Jazeera’s coverage as “vicious, inaccurate and inexcusable.” A five page memo containing these details was leaked by David Keogh, a civil servant at the Cabinet Office, and Leo O’Connor, a research assistant to former Labour MP Tony Clarke, both were charged under the Official Secrets Act.

    The OSA and ‘D-Notices’ prevent such disclosures in the UK media, many of public interest and some of which I too, as a veteran, have knowledge of.

    In the wider scheme of things I give my blessing to harmony, accord, pacifism and reconciliation.

    I see only order in Iran, not hegemony, not aggression, no targeting of civilians, no false-flag blackops and no massacre and mutilation of children in their thousands, left to scavage bomb-sites for food or anything to sell for food and left devoid of any guidance, direction and love.

  39. “I see only order in Iran, not hegemony, not aggression, no targeting of civilians, no false-flag blackops and no massacre and mutilation of children in their thousands, left to scavage bomb-sites for food or anything to sell for food and left devoid of any guidance, direction and love.”
    .
    That’s because you see what you want to see.
    .
    George Bernard Shaw saw much the same thing in Stalin’s Soviet Union.
    .
    Now, let’s make this make this simple:
    .
    Do you agree or disagree that Maziar Bahari was arrested and tortured by the Iranian regime?
    .
    Do you agree or disagree that many other dissidents were arrested and tortured by the Iranian regime, in particular following the elections there?
    .
    Do you agree or disagree that the Iranian government funds Press TV?
    .
    Do you agree or disagree that George Galloway, Lauren Booth, Ken Livingstone and Jeremy Corbyn are therefore employees of the Iranian government?

  40. YugoStiglitz

    24 May, 2011 - 7:18 am

    Mark Golding, you spoke of Children of Iraq Association (COIA) trustees. Are those persons real? Could you name a few? The reason that I ask is that Craig Murray took your comment very seriously – obviously, he thinks that there’s a group of trustees at Children of Iraq Association, and he thinks that they are important people.

    Just name a few of these people, please.

  41. @Mark_golding
    When Angrysoba (from Japan) and Yugostiglitz (from St Louis),the two Isreali trolls come out to play, you know that you are very close to the truth.

    George Galloway is a courageous man who tells the truth and stands by his principles. His descriptions of Isreal as “a terrorist gangster state” and a “miscreant, law breaking rogue, war launching, occupying state” are objective and obviously true.

    I agree that the circumstances of Robin Cook’s death are very suspicious, even more so now that we know that David Kelly was almost certainly murdered.

    We have no recourse to justice when the murderers can control the courts, the inquiries and the judges.

  42. “When Angrysoba (from Japan) and Yugostiglitz (from St Louis),the two Isreali trolls come out to play, you know that you are very close to the truth.”
    .
    That’s because we’re telling it!
    .
    “George Galloway is a courageous man”
    .
    That sounds almost like, “Sir, I salute your courage, your strength and your indefatigability!” to one charming upholder of human rights, Saddam Hussein.
    .
    He’s a looney and liar, “I don’t support Ahmadinejad” he says. Then to Ahmadinejad himself he says, “Your excellency, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad…my support for your election campaign…”. I’m surprised he can speak with his tongue so firmly jammed up Ahmadinejad’s anus.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul7FbMBp7dc
    .
    Please tune in later for clips of Galloway’s support for other totalitarian and autocratic rulers such as President Bashar Assad of Syria.
    .

  43. @ Angrysoba

    Glad you felt the need to comment.

    Calling someone a “looney and a liar” is remarkably childish and something I would have expected from your brother in St Louis.

    By the way that Youtube video looks like a fake. There is so much disinformation around these days.

    George Galloway met Saddam to argue for better treatment and supplies for the people of Iraq. Your comrades from the U.S. were meeting Saddam to give him chemical and biological weapons to attack the Iranians and the Kurds.

    Hows the weather in Tel Aviv?

  44. “By the way that Youtube video looks like a fake.”
    .
    Believe what you like (and you will) but which part do you think is fake? The part that is taken from Press TV’s own interview between Galloway and Ahmadinejad in which Gorgeous George explicitly says he supported Ahmadinejad and fawns on him throughout or the part when he says he didn’t support Ahmadinejad and will pay the student one thousand pounds if any support of his for Ahmadinejad can be found?
    .
    If it is the former then you have to explain why Press TV broadcast this fake in the first place (although I would then agree with you that Press TV aren’t trustworthy) or if it is the latter and you dispute he has ever DENIED supporting Ahmadinejad then you will find he has said as much in newspaper columns for the Daily Record and at other speeches, interviews etc… Presumably they’re all fake too.
    .
    “There is so much disinformation around these days.”
    .
    Very true: Prison Planet, Global Research, Press TV, Russia Today…
    .
    “George Galloway met Saddam to argue for better treatment and supplies for the people of Iraq.”
    .
    Of course he did. And I suppose he never admired him, right? Because he didn’t later praise Saddam Hussein (Saddam to his friends) and Nasser on a stage in Jordan (I think) and he didn’t praise Uday Hussein to his face? He wasn’t buddies with Tariq Aziz and always welcome in Ba’athist Baghdad, right?
    .
    I know Galloway has repeatedly said that he wasn’t saluting Saddam Hussein but the people of Iraq. The video of Galloway makes it obvious this is a lie. So, along with his lie about not supporting Ahmadinejad when he did (which you yourself recognize as problematic as revealed by your instantly declaring the video a “fake” in loony conspiracy theorist fashion) put it together and what do you have?
    .
    He’s not a supporter of Bashir Assad, now gunning down his people, and various other tyrants?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlt4q3DPpeQ
    .
    “Your comrades from the U.S. were meeting Saddam to give him chemical and biological weapons to attack the Iranians and the Kurds.”
    .
    US collusion with Saddam Hussein was certainly a terrible thing and I’m glad you recognize it too. Usually when I talk to people of your political convictions I hear nothing but endless praise for Saddam Hussein’s regime. I’m happy to hear I won’t be getting that from you.
    .
    “Hows the weather in Tel Aviv?”
    .
    Sadly, Mossad won’t give me a room with a view so I don’t know.
    .
    [The previous sentence is a joke; it is not to be taken seriously.]

  45. Back on topic.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/may/24/injunction-publicity-backfires-law-firm

    Injunction publicity backfires on celebrity law firm
    After Ryan Giggs’ lawyers tried to sue Twitter for the initial internet leaks, thousands more tweets followed in retaliation

    David Leigh and Owen Bowcott guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 24 May 2011 21.53 BST

    plus a nice piccy of Mr Keith Schilling posing in front of mirrors. So vain that we have to see seven images of him as if one is not sufficient.

  46. YugoStiglitz (Larry not from St Louis) – so was it you that complained to the Charity Commission? Yes, they wrote to me saying the case was closed after reviewing my original application that listed the trustees.

  47. I’m pretty sure the original tweets on Giggs will have been sent by Sun or New of the World journalists who were looking to get round the injunction so they could keep publishing their grubby “investigations” of celebrities private lives to make money from them. The twitter users were unwittingly helping out Murdoch and Kelvin Mackenzie and their kind.

    I’m all for super-injunctions being granted and enforced on peoples’ private lives. If someone’s had an affair their partner has a right to know – no-one else does. Every column inch in a newspaper and minute of TV news filled with sex gossip is keeping us from hearing real news that could really affect all of us and that most of us would care a lot more about.

  48. Duncan, re. superinjunctions, in general and in most cases, I agree with you. But it is a complex area and is not always simply about protecting privacy; sometimes it is about protecting the powerful and their power and influence and that is not necessarily the same thing. For example, Andrew Marr vigorously quizzing politicians about their private lives yet imposing media silence on his (he is a political commentator responsible for directing public inquisitiveness and is very much in the public eye, almost as much as, or possibly even more than, politicians) and then only revealing that this had occured when he was on the point of being ‘outed’. It’s not a simple equation.

    On Press TV, while I find it can be interesting, I view it as I view, say, Fox News or the Chinese News Service. I know Fox News is not a Govt organ, but it does have a definite political slant, shall we say. Nonetheless, Press TV is an organ of the Iranian regime. That doesn’t mean that everything it says is wrong, far from it, we need different viewpoints if only to try and gauge the dirtections and flows of power, but it does mean we ought to exercise even much discernment when watching its reports, esp. those about Iran, etc. I know people in Iran – not normally US supporters, actually – who are terrified (since the July 2009 protests) and who tell of young people being lifted and imprisoned, etc. Obviously, that is not an excuse to attack Iran – God, no – but I don’t think we ought to have any illusions. Nonetheless, one power will play off another in various ways and the US-Iran dynamic extends very much along such lines.

    Personally, I have to say that I think Yvonne Ridley and Lauren Booth are naive and at least in Ridley’s case, exemplify white guilt at its starkest. Fine, she – Ridley – became a Muslim. Glad she attained some peace (cf being a tabloid journalist, say). But why did she have to become THAT sort of Muslim and dress like a bloody nun? Stockholm Sydrome? Possibly. But really, we don’t need it, we really don’t need more blooming Islamists. Take the loudmouthed Anjem Chowdray – today’s self-appointed beardy hate figure – he’s a wanker extraordinaire! With the support of the Pakistan Milbus (‘Military-Business Complex’), they’ve turned Pakistan into a hellhole (and yes, of course I know the USA et al helped create these monsters; so in that regard, Ridley’s posturing seems like nothing new. Theer are people struggling against all this, trying to build stuff, stuck b/w the Islamists and NATO. Great situation, eh?

  49. Suhayl – I agree with you sometimes super-injunctions are mis-used, but I’m not against them where it’s genuinely about someone’s personal life. I don’t think much of Andrew Marr’s supposed objectivity (he’s obviously fanatically Blairite) and it was completely out of order for him to ask politicians about their private lives and for him to ask Gordon Brown if he was on any medication (that was part of the Blairite ‘Gordon’s mad’ campaign – i disagreed with a lot of things Brown did, but i always got the impression he had more decent instincts than Blair and was more honest, though he got too caught up in ambition and Blairite spin war).

    On Press TV i completely agree. You have to be very careful of anything they report. They’ve even had people make televised ‘confessions’ extracted by torture. I wouldn’t trust anything they report unless i can also find it reported by some more reliable source, just as i don’t take US government or Us military statements as reliable if they’re the only one claiming it. Iranian government propaganda is just as bad as Pentagon or Fox News propaganda.

  50. @Angrysoba

    “[The previous sentence is a joke; it is not to be taken seriously.]”

    I think that applies to your whole post. Smears such as yours about George Galloway show how much the authorities are troubled by his integrity and honesty in presenting his arguments.Although I don’t agree with George on everything I certainly admire his courage and tenacity.George can look after himself as far as malicious smears are concerned as the Telegragh found out,to their significant loss.

    “Sadly, Mossad won’t give me a room with a view so I don’t know.”
    Never mind, just sit back and pretend you are in Japan.

  51. I find Press TV biased but nothing like as biased as the BBC and western MSM in general. The same can be said for RT.

    On non-Iranian and non-Russian issues respectively,I would trust Press TV and RT coverage more than BBC, Fox, CNN etc.

  52. Suhayl believes Yvonne Ridley is naive but she raises an important matter here.
    .
    End British Secrecy Laws
    The Case of Detainee U
    By YVONNE RIDLEY London
    .
    http://www.counterpunch.org/ridley05252011.html

  53. Chezzy:
    .
    “Smears such as yours about George Galloway show how much the authorities are troubled by his integrity and honesty in presenting his arguments.”
    .
    “Hows the weather in Tel Aviv?”
    .
    Anyone note the irony?

  54. “George can look after himself as far as malicious smears are concerned as the Telegragh found out,to their significant loss.”
    .
    Yes, and speaking of irony, you have to love the next clip. Here’s the Gorgeous One holding a meeting in which he condemns the UK police for brutality in a demo he was on.
    .
    Two Iranians are sitting in the audience who suddenly shout out that George Galloway works for the Iranian state that has just been shooting dead demonstrators in Teheran and throwing opponents of the regime into jail to be tortured.
    .
    Galloway gets some help from the UK police to have them thrown out.
    .
    Is that not irony?
    .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACE1n4GgYDE

  55. Chezzy – you have to remember the Russian and Iranian governments have their own foreign policy interests that they want to promote in coverage of other countries. e.g The Russians would love Gaddafi to stay in power now so that he’ll start giving Russian oil and arms firms contracts, now he’s irreparably fallen out with the Europeans and Americans. On Georgia they want to have control of Georgia and the AIOC pipeline route just as much as NATO does. Oil not exported via it will often go through Russia instead, increasing Russian tax revenues and giving them the ability to use oil and gas supplies to apply political pressure to other countries From Ukraine to Germany.

  56. Well, Mary, it’s certainly ironic that Dominic Lawson (of all people) criticised Ridley for being a stooge of the Iranian regime. And Lawson’s not a stooge?!!

  57. Charlotte Harris, a media lawyer from Mishcon De Reya is on Dimblebore’s Question Time tonight on BBC1 after the 10pm News. Also on are Jeremy Browne MP, Hilary Benn MP, Sir Christopher Meyer and Louise Bagshawe MP. You can guess what the main topic will be.

    http://www.mishcon.com/people/charlotte_harris

    ~~~~~~

    Lawson not a stooge?? Well he defended Cast Lead in the Times in January 2009. Also named as a MI6 agent by Brian Sedgemore in the HOC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/237349. An establishment stooge in my book.

  58. Duncan,

    As I said, I think that PressTV and RT are biased but not as biased as BBC or Fox etc.

    Angrysoba,

    As you are someone that smears honest, decent people that point out the truth about Israel and you always come out of the woodwork when Israel is criticised, I think it is reasonable to conclude that you probably reside in Israel.

  59. “Angrysoba,

    As you are someone that smears honest, decent people that point out the truth about Israel and you always come out of the woodwork when Israel is criticised, I think it is reasonable to conclude that you probably reside in Israel.”
    .
    Which honest and decent people have I smeared?
    .
    I want you to name the person and the smear I have made.

  60. That’s what I said, Mary. “And Lawson’s not a stooge?!!” Meaning, of course, that in my view, Lawson IS a stooge. So it was ironic that he called Ridley a stooge. Two stooges, then, perhaps. The third stooge might be Con Coughlin of the Daily Telegraph. Now we can have a comedy feature!

  61. Just because angrysoba has views on Israel-Palestine, it doesn’t mean he lives in Israel. In fact, people who live in Israel (if some of the Israeli media are anything to go by) need not necessarily have uber-Zionist views (I’m not suggesting that angrysoba has such views, btw) and might well be critical of x, y and z.

    I disagree with angrysoba on certain things and agree with him on others. I think it likely Israel is probably one area where his views are nor entirely confluent with mine. But that’s the case with some of my colleagues and pals in the UK as well. It doesn’t mean they live in Israel or are agents of the Israeli state.

    We know those agents exist of course and we know they are active on the web – this was exposed in the media and of course, the Israeli state tends to boast of its prowess and scope in such matters (as it does wrt assassination, for example). It’s no secret and is part of the propaganda of its projected ‘virtual’ power. It has real power of course, but it likes to inflate its power so that it looks even bigger than it is.

    Anyway, if I may suggest, best to engage with angrysoba’s arguments, rather than speculate on the (albeit pleasant) subect of Levantine sea-balconies.

  62. If it looks like an Israeli duck, walks like an Israeli duck and quacks like an Israeli duck, then it probably is an Israeli duck.

  63. There are more pressing issues which Schillings are involved in than what Ryan Giggs gets up to. Schillings are protecting the academy schools agenda and the truth behind them.

    It is so difficult to access Schillings letters re ARK Academies that direct links to this material have now been placed on the 911forum under 'War on Children', post titled "Schillings solicitors letters; direct links".

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