Buggering the Valet

by craig on May 24, 2014 1:17 pm in Uncategorized

The row over Prince Charles in Canada reminded me of the role of the Royal Family in personifying those timeless traditions which comprise the spine of British culture.  One of these great Royal traditions, which has continued right down to the present generations, is buggering the valet.

31 May should be a national holiday in celebration of this great tradition. We should call it Bugger the Valet day.  On 31 May 1810 Ernest Duke of Cumberland, fifth son of George III, was buggering his valet Neale.   While Cumberland was fully engaged, another servant named Sellis impertinently entered the room.  Naturally the Duke, having ordered Sellis to wait and be spoken to, took out his sword and ran Sellis through seven times. Sellis remained impertinent, and even after being stabbed the first time, had the temerity to grab a candlestick and hit the Duke hard on the face, inflicting a disfiguring wound.  This of course is described in official histories (and I see on Wikipedia) as having been received in the Napoleonic Wars.

Over the years, seven journalists were imprisoned for publishing an account of Sellis’ death.  The Duke failed to pay Neale the money he had promised him to lie that Sellis had attacked the Duke, and subsequently Neale talked rather a lot.  The first journalist imprisoned, Henry White, died of disease contracted in prison. Henry White deserves to be remembered.

Cumberland was to marry a woman very widely believed across the German speaking world to be herself a murderess, Princess Frederica of Mecklenburg Strelitz, whose two earlier husbands had died, the second particularly unexpectedly and conveniently.

During the reign of King William IV, Cumberland was second in line to the throne after Victoria.  Victoria’s widowed mother, the Duchess of Kent, was shagging her Private Secretary, Sir John Conroy.  Actually every summer in Victoria’s teens they did their shagging in Townley House, which I can see now from my study window.

Ten months of the year they lived in Kensington Palace, and Conroy put Victoria into seclusion.  Conroy was hated – he was far too middle class to be shagging a Duchess.  There was a successful film by that awful far right “Lord” Julian Fellowes a few years ago called The Young Victoria.  Conroy was portrayed as a caricature villain, and conventional historians have accepted the monarchist line that his seclusion of Victoria was to maximize his own influence of control.

What Conroy himself said, and is almost never published, was that he was keeping Victoria under very close guard because he was terrified she would be poisoned or otherwise murdered by the heir to the throne, her uncle Cumberland, and his wife. Where this is ever mentioned by historians, it is to ridicule it as a crazy pretext.

In fact Cumberland was a murderer,  and Frederica very probably was too.  Conroy was absolutely right to protect Victoria from Cumberland.  What the establishment would not admit then or now was that there was a very real reason for Conroy to apprehend this danger.   Ernest Duke of Cumberland had killed Sellis.  His wife Frederica was reputed throughout Europe to have poisoned her second husband in order to marry Ernest and gain the possibility of becoming Queen of England.  Only Victoria stood between them and the throne, in an age of high mortality.

When William IV died, Victoria became Queen but as a female could not inherit the other Kingdom of Hanover.  Cumberland therefore became King Ernest of Hanover.  He abolished parliament and persecuted those regarded as liberal, including the Brothers Grimm who he dismissed from their University posts.

Ahh, our beloved Royal family! Remember – 31 May is Bugger the Valet Day.

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  1. Your writing can be very witty at times, not always intentionally I suspect, but this really made me smile.

    I doubt though it is just third sons of monarchs doing the shirt-lifting of junior staff. Grapevine says Ted Heath and a whole host of others were into buggery – mostly people with heaps of money.

  2. Didn’t the said HRH at Highgrove/Clarence House have someone to squeeze his toothpaste out?

    We never heard any more about the identity of a royal in a video.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Royal_blackmail_plot

    So funny. When googling ‘royal in video homosexual activity’ brought up three pages of links to Alan Turing posthumously honoured by Her Maj. Much good will that do him. Q Was the half eaten apple found by his bedside laced with cyanide. He left no note AFAIK.

    http://www.turing.org.uk/book/

  3. Ha ha. And for the rest of the year, of course, the whole country has to bend over.

  4. ahhhh, Jersey such a great island, full of loyal subjects, tax evaders and childrens homes.

  5. And i always thought that Ernest, Duke Of Cumberland, was George III’s fifth son.

  6. Many reports have claimed that Diana, Princess of Wales was killed in 1997 due to her love affair with a Muslim, Dodi Fayed, son of Egptian billionaire Mohamed Abdel Moneim Al Fayed. However, not many people know that Queen Victoria too fell in love with her Muslim servant Abdul Karim from British India.

    British Channel 4′s documentary, titled ‘Queen Victoria’s last love’ shed light on one of many secrets about England’s longest reigning monarch. The documentary features interviews with relatives of both Queen Victoria’s household and Abdul Karim, as well as extracts from Queen Victoria’s diaries and journals.

    http://rehmat1.com/2012/05/03/queen-victorias-last-love-a-young-muslim/

  7. “Ahh, our beloved Royal family! Remember – 31 May is Bugger the Valet Day.”

    I think this is beneath you, Mr Murray.

  8. I think you are presenting as fact a version of the story that is highly contentious and debatable to say the least.

    The theory of the Duke and Neale having sex is only one of many lurid theories bandied about at the time, mostly by journalists worse than the worst tabloid journalists today.

    I was thinking about getting your book about Alexander Burns when it comes out, but this post really makes me wonder about the quality of your historical research.

  9. “I always thought that Ernest, Duke Of Cumberland, was George III’s fifth son. ”

    For once Trowbridge you are absolutely correct. As Mark D has said I doubt much else of Craig’s piece is any more accurate either. Every other account I can find states that Sellis was found dead in his room with his throat cut and anybody who thinks the Kensington System wasn’t designed to break Victoria’s will so her mother and Conroy could control her after she became Queen doesn’t deserve to be taken seriously.

  10. And what is the basis, Kempe, for third sons being practicers of buggery?

    As I see it, William IV, and the Dukes of Connaught and Gloucester were among the best of the modern Royals, but I guess I am wrong about that.

  11. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 3:11 pm

    This is certainly not what Gove would like in his new History curriculum

  12. There was a libel trial over this allegation:

    “That Josiah Phillips, now or late of Westminster aforesaid,
    in the county aforesaid, printer, being a malicious and evil-
    disposed person, and deceitfully, wickedly, and maliciously
    contriving and intending to scandalize and vilify his said Royal
    Highness the said Duke of Cumberland, and to impute to his
    said Royal Highness the said Duke of Cumberland the com-
    mission of, or the intention or design of committing, the de-
    testable and abominable crime of sodomy, or $ome other un-
    natural and indecent offence or practice with the said Corne-
    lius M’Neall, and also to impute that he his said Royal High-
    ness had been accessory or privy to the commission of the
    crime of murdering the said Joseph Sellis, and to deprive his
    said Royal Highness of his good name, fame, credit, and re-
    putation, and to bring his said Royal Highness into great
    contempt, scandal, infamy, and disgrace, did, on the 29th day
    of March, in the second year of the reign of our sovereign lord
    William the Fourth, and in the year of our Lord 1832, with
    force and arms at Westminster aforesaid, in the county of Mid«
    dlesex aforesaid, wickedly and maliciously print and publish,
    and cause and procure to be printed and published, in a certain
    book called ” The authentic Records of the Court of England
    for the last seventy Years,^ a certain false, scandalous, mali-
    cious and defamatory libel of and concerning his said Royal
    Highness the said Duke of Cumberland, and of and concerning
    the said attempt to assassinate the said Duke, and the death of
    the said Joseph Sellis, and the said inquisition so taken as
    aforesaid ; to the tenor and effect following ; that is to say :
    [here follows the libel before given] to the great damage,
    acandal, disgrace, and infamy of his said Royal Highness the said
    Duke of Cumberland, to the evil and pernicious example of all
    others in like case offending, and against the peace of our said
    Lord the King, his crown and dignity.”

    https://archive.org/details/trialjosiahphil00augugoog

    but we know that even in our own time, similar stories have emerged of backstairs activity in the royal household.

    The Duke was certainly attacked during the incident. He tells us this himself, and Sellis was found dead in his room.

    So, absent a phantom attacker, it does look likely there was some fight between the Duke and this valet.

  13. And ex-Chancellor Brougham tried to break the control of Conroy, the Duchess, and other courtiers, especially Melbourne, after William’s demise by having that private audience with Victoria soon after she became Queen – what cemented his war with the Whigs,

  14. I love Mark D and Kempe, who think that the only history is true is that which was sanctified by the Whig Tradition of history writing. Kempe was particularly outraged to be told that the Jacobites were not Catholic, and were overwhelmingly Scottish Nationalist, and that Charles Edward Stuart was not a believer in the Divine Right of Kings or autocracy. Having not read anything except what he was taught at O-Grade and the witterings of Antona Fraser and Victoria Glendenning.

    Aaah, the Whig tradition of history! Mark D will definitely not buy my book when I tell him it asserts that Macaulay was not only the uncle but at the same time the father of G M Trevelyan.

  15. Trowbridge

    You are quite right, fifth son.

  16. It’s time for us to get our own back on these buggers, fifth sons or third.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSIUf2hD6Io&feature=kp

    Bugger the bankers and politicians, bugger the bureaucrats too, bugger the buggers who make up the rules, and if you’re one of them.

  17. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 3:52 pm

    “One of these great Royal traditions, which has continued right down to the present generations, is buggering the valet.”
    _____________________

    “The present generations” is admirably vague.

    I should like to hear from Craig which of the British Royals currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his valet(s).

  18. Russia Today, that awful overseas station that defends the nasty Putin has done a nice little take on the Royal family NAZI connections. If anybody missed it it’s almost as good as ‘Bugger the Bankers’.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyuDwprO2M

  19. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) ! 24 May, 2014 – 3:52 pm

    re: buggering valets today.

    I think the Queen did a pretty good job in buggering Paul Burrell after he disclosed the Diana letter about Charles preparing for her to die in a car-crash! :)

  20. John Goss,

    Yes I saw it (the Russian article) reported today and it inspired me to dash off this piece.

    I did it top of the head so I apologise for the “third son” error – which of course was logically impossible, as aside from George IV and William IV, there had to be the Duke of Kent for there to be Victoria. I had though forgotten Frederick completely.

    I am generally interested by those who wish to deny the story. Henry White published in 1813, when all anti-monarchist thought was very severely repressed in the “anti-Jacobin” period and Liverpool was PM. White knew he was doing something terribly dangerous and was very brave – to compare him to a tabloid journalist is disingenuous. White refused to recant and insisted he had an eye witness source in Neill. Although very horrid, the 18 month jail sentence (and large fine) was in the circumstances of the time actually remarkably light. The story could not of course be admitted to be true, but it is not unreasonable to conjecture that if the magistrates genuinely thought it was untrue the sentence would have been a very great deal harsher.

    It is not, as far as I am aware, in dispute that Cumberland killed Sellis. Sellis was found dead in Cumberland’s rooms. Cumberland claimed self-defence, and that his valet attacked him. I find that less probable than White’s story.

  21. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 4:25 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 3:52 pm

    “I should like to hear from Craig which of the British Royals currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his valet(s).”

    Habbabkuk, for your information:

    George Anthony Smith (13 September 1960 – 24 August 2005) was a former footman and valet in the Royal Household of Prince Charles.
    Smith alleged:

    1. that he was raped by Michael Fawcett, a favoured servant of the Prince Charles; and

    2. that Fawcett was himself in a homosexual relationship with the Prince of Wales, who protected him.

    “The allegations made international headlines in November 2003 and were the subject of a legal injunction in the United Kingdom.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Smith_(royal_servant)

  22. Craig, we all make these little errors, we’re so busy, but my period is the latter half of the eighteenth century, and Cumberland may not have been the fifth son. Not many people know that the father of Cumberland got married in a secret ceremony to the fair Quaker, Hannah Lightfoot. This was before the Royal Marriages Act of 1772 making his marriage to Georgina bigamous. In a way the marriage was helpful to Quakers who in the early part of the 18th century were treated abominably by the Church. There was a daughter who married a man called Dalton but this marriage does not exist in any records that I can find. Subsequently there were other children ‘wrong side of the blanket’ and the poet Peter Pindar (John Wolcot) made a lot of capital out of the royal mishaps. Apparently all the royal children and bastards played together.

    I have a rather tatty third edition of Wolcot’s ‘The Regent and the King’ which I bought because it contains a subscribers’ list of members of Tamworth Book Club. Tamworth was very enlightened in those days. As to Daltons there have been several claims as to real heirs to the throne. xThere was somebody strutting round Sheffield in the early nineteenth century called Dalton, who according to one book on this secret marriage, was the spitting image of the king, allegedly. My family on mum’s side were Daltons from Sheffield.

  23. Having looked at Wikipedia too, I saw this DoC was the fifth son but I thought we were being referred to another third son of a reigning monarch!

    ~~

    That ghastly Trevelyan the bane of ‘O’ level history students like myself in the 50s. I hope the copies have all been trashed by now. He wrote several ‘histories’. Almost incontinent with the number of them. He played a part in our evil EmPyre too.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._M._Trevelyan#Trevelyan.27s_works

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/trevelyan_charles.shtml

    I prefer The Blood Never Dried by John Newsinger. I don’t suppose Gove is handing that out to the kids.
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Blood-Never-Dried-Peoples/dp/1905192126

  24. Georgina = Charlotte of course

  25. Could someone tell Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells about this piece of Craig’s so that they can write in here too.

  26. Mary

    There were two – George Macaulay Trevelyan and George Otto Trevelyan, both historians. We had to read both at school. Father and son. I think GM came first. C E Trevelyan was GM (or GO’s) father. Only he wasn’t. C E Trevelyan, a friend of Alexander Burnes, married Macaulay’s sister. Macaulay was shagging his sister actually both his own sisters, till one died- which I think is pretty well accepted by historians now. Perhaps even by Mark D. and Kempe.

  27. Macaulay continued to live with Charles and his sister. Charles had four Indian concubines. Must have been a fun house.

  28. “It is not, as far as I am aware, in dispute that Cumberland killed Sellis. Sellis was found dead in Cumberland’s rooms. Cumberland claimed self-defence, and that his valet attacked him.”

    Surely the official account is that Sellis committed suicide, having attacked the duke. That was the determination at inquest.

    Sellis is supposed to have attacked the duke in his bed, ran back to his room and committed suicide.

    The duke’s account is that he was asleep when attacked and had no idea who’d attacked him until Sellis was subsequently found dead in his own room and his slippers were found at the foot of the duke’s bed.

    Of course no one at the time believed that official account, and experts who examined Sellis’ body deemed it unlikely that he could have committed suicide given the fact that his head had almost been severed from the body and a number of other inconsistencies.

    Backstairs Billy:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-496390/Will-Backstairs-Billy-Queen-Mothers-eccentric-retainer-spill-royal-secrets-grave.html

  29. I hadn’t heard of that Doug. But I believe Smith was probably telling the truth. If he was lying he would most likely have lied when he told his brother he walked in on a royal and a male member of staff. It would have been much more convincing if he had told his brother he caught them in flagrante delicto.

    “George has told me there was no physical activity but you didn’t have to be a brain surgeon to work out what had been going on.”

  30. Don’t like Whig history all that much, but the Tory version which concentrates on Parliament, especially the House of Commons, and the bureaucracy, isn’t much better.

    My biographies of Brougham and Dicey were attempts to refute both models on a individual basis.

  31. The story is much bigger than that, and involves Diana, her butler, tapes, which then became the subject of that trial of Burrell which was stopped when the queen remembered that conversation…

    He died quite young, didn’t he, that other butler.

  32. Herbie

    Thanks for that detail. Yes, that account by the Duke is even less believable – in fact, given the Duke was injured quite badly, not believable at all.

  33. As for searching for George III’s marriage to Hannah Lightfoot Mary Pendered’s book is one of the best.

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Quaker-Hannah-Lightfoot-Relations-George/dp/B00085NNB0

    http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/The_fair_Quaker.html?id=j35mAAAAMAAJ

  34. Putin: Charles’s ‘Nazi’ remarks wrong
    President Putin condemns Prince Charles’s reported remarks comparing his actions to those of the Nazis, saying his words were “not what monarchs do”.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27558825

    RT got back at the royals and so did Tony Gosling.

    Putin’s TV station sneers at UK royal family’s Nazi links
    WATCH: Russia Today highlights embarrassing ties in deepening row over Prince Charles’s comparison of Russian president to Hitler
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/putins-tv-station-sneers-at-uk-royal-familys-nazi-links/

    Prince Charles strikes another blow for the British republic
    http://rt.com/op-edge/161020-prince-charles-strikes-blow/

  35. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 5:11 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    I’m a little surprised by you, Doug.

    In answer to my question to Craig (thanks for “answering ” on his behalf, by the way):

    “I should like to hear from Craig which of the British Royals currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his valet(s).”

    you supplied the following two bits of information:

    1/. George Smith alleged that he was raped by Michael Fawcett, a favoured servant of the Prince Charles; and

    2. Michael Fawcett was himself in a homosexual relationship with the Prince of Wales.

    Now, as you’ll be aware, Michael Fawcett isn’t a member of the Royal family.

    Therefore, you haven’t answered my question, Doug, have you.

    Never mind, perhaps Craig will.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    In the meantime, could I remind you that you owe me a link or links :

    ““Vatican defends Palestinian sovereignty ahead of papal visit”

    Yes Mary but that means the Vatican recognising Israel as a Jewish state run by Jews for the benefit of Jews; ”
    __________________

    Doug, are you putting that idea forward as an opinion of yours of as a fact?

    If the latter, could you please supply a link or links.”

  36. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 5:15 pm

    Herbie

    “He died quite young, didn’t he, that other butler.”
    ______________________

    Yes, 45 is quite young these days, isn’t it.

    Do you think that the death might not have been entirely natural and that foul play might have been involved, Herbie?

  37. The only thing I get outraged about is people spreading falsehoods, whether it be conspiracy theories or revisionist history. New versions crop up all the time, they sell books but don’t necessarily advance our understanding. Just because it is new doesn’t make it any more true than the accepted version, unless you really want to believe that the Chinese “discovered America in 1421, that Stonehenge was a neolithic A&E or that the loss of the Titanic was an insurance job.

    We’ve also yet to see any evidence.

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=RDvV_zJyL5UC&pg=PT449&lpg=PT449&dq=jacobites+divine+right&source=bl&ots=QBRnEdO8CC&sig=_Y7n2RoIlofqQjicxGCq8QyyPvw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IMSAU-GwCNOA7QbtzIGgCg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=jacobites%20divine%20right&f=false

  38. Hi Craig Muray

    where can we read true history in a book?

    can you tell me what caused the war on 1812 in the american continent?

  39. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 5:26 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 5:11 pm

    “Now, as you’ll be aware, Michael Fawcett isn’t a member of the Royal family.”

    No but Prince Charles is.

    “Michael Fawcett was himself [allegedly] in a homosexual relationship with the Prince of Wales.”

    Read the posts properly next time Habbabkuk.

  40. I think I need to read this to get the Trevelyans straight.

    A Very British Family: The Trevelyans and Their World

    Laura Trevelyan

    The Trevelyans are unique in British social and political history: a family which for several generations dedicated themselves to the service and chronicling of their country. From their inauspicious beginnings in a small dwelling in Cornwall to the present day, some Trevelyans have been famous and distinguished, others less so, but for a hundred years from the mid-nineteenth to the mid-twentieth century family members from Lord Macaulay to G.M. Trevelyan contributed to both the writing and the making of history. This book is primarily the tale of the five men who flourished during this period – Charles Edward, George Otto, Charles Philips, George Macaulay and Humphry Trevelyan – and the clever and formidable women they married. Including many vivid portraits of the most influential members of this remarkable family, The Trevelyans casts light on the period of enormous social and cultural change in which they lived and examines why they chose not to simply exploit their position as landed gentry but instead to take their place at the centre of scholarship and politics.

    ~~~

    On the other hand perhaps I don’t having seen the name of the author. She is the BBC UN correspondent and is part of the Trevelyan family.

  41. Seems that we should be glad that the Duke of Cumberland was constantly engaging in sexual excesses.

    His son, who became George V of Hanover, was a serious suitor for Victoria’s hand until he suddenly became blind at 14. Did not stop him from becoming king there, though.

    Wonder if George was infected with syphilis as a fetus or a child by his father?

  42. What is the evidence for this story? How could one prove either the guilt or the innocence of the Ernest Cumberland?

  43. “where can we read true history in a book?”

    That’s a very good question. One of the problems is that the Royal Family are like the rest of us, except rich and powerful. It used to be that their version of events was the only one that made it into the news, and nothing seems to have changed. They are not questioned because they are rich and powerful. Their version is the royal history.

    The establishment’s version on non-Royal history is also the one presented by big money, power and those win the wars. Historians are diggers and are not guilty. They get some facts. But to get the full facts is impossible and historians have to bite their tongues when history presented as fact is clearly questionable, as in the Wikipedia version of Hannah Lightfoot’s marriage to George III. Most high society people knew about it at the time, but chose not to discredit the throne. In fact, George III’s marriage to Hannah Lightfoot would mean that the whole Royal line down to baby George was a lie.

    But Doug Scorgie posted a story that cannot be published in the UK. Likewise the film “Unlawful Killing” which takes its name from the actual coroner’s verdict into the deaths of Diana, Princess of Wales and Dodi Fayed. The film, which I have seen, makes the case that although the verdict was unlawful killing the media presented it as though they were chased to their deaths by the paparazzi, which is nonsense.

    Where do you find a true history? If you find one let me know.

  44. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 5:57 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 5:11 pm

    Yes Mary but that means the Vatican recognising Israel as a Jewish state run by Jews for the benefit of Jews…

    “Doug, are you putting that idea forward as an opinion of yours of as a fact?”

    Just plain logic Habbabkuk

    The Vatican Secretary of State (Pietro Parolin I believe) is quoted as saying:
    “On the one hand, Israel’s right to exist in peace and security within internationally recognised boundaries and the Palestinian people’s right to have a homeland, sovereign and independent, the right to move around freely, the right to live in dignity,”

    So it is clear that the Vatican is pushing the two-state solution one for the Palestinians in which the UN will insist be a democracy for all its people and one for the Jews which the UN will insist will be a democracy for all its people but which the Zionists will ignore and demand to be recognised as a Jewish (only) state.

    But that is only my view on the subject.

  45. I’m sure ‘Buggering the Valet’ or steward must be a Naval tradition as well. As a young recruit I was told to look carefully on the lower deck ‘for the golden rivet’ -apparently every warship had one…

    Every Naval ship had a ‘Sods Opera’ where the youngest ratings , with thoroughly shaved legs, would transform into beautiful* women dancing in grass skirts.

    Any video reference of these ‘opera’s’ are private or lost to the archives maybe because women women were officially allowed to go to sea onboard Royal Navy vessels since 1993.

    Interestingly in Nelson’s day Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood, discovered that women had been brought onboard his flagship, he ordered the women ashore because of ‘…the mischief they never fail to create wherever they are’. He also wrote that ‘I never knew a woman brought to sea in a ship that some mischief did not befall the vessel’.

    The Earl Saint Vincent, another friend of Nelson’s, was also against women coming to sea, largely due to their washing their clothes in the ship’s fresh water.

    *esp. after nine months at sea.

  46. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 6:24 pm

    George Smith’s claim of a sexual relationship between the Prince of Wales and Fawcett was repeated in a legal statement issued by him to the Mail on Sunday newspaper. In response, Michael Fawcett took a high court injunction to prevent their disclosure. The injunction was granted .

    The story still cannot be published in the UK.

    The cause of Smith’s death is unknown.

    http://listverse.com/2011/08/02/10-censored-news-topics-and-events/

  47. doug scorgie

    24 May, 2014 - 6:32 pm

    Kempe
    24 May, 2014 – 5:19 pm

    “The only thing I get outraged about is people spreading falsehoods…”

    LOL!!!

  48. “The only thing I get outraged about is people spreading falsehoods, whether it be conspiracy theories or revisionist history.”

    In that case when new facts are found history should not be revised?

    Can you understand Kempe why Doug Scorgie made fun of you? :)

  49. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 7:11 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    Your “plain logic” has broke down because you skip subject half way through your comment.

    “The Vatican Secretary of State (Pietro Parolin I believe) is quoted as saying:
    “On the one hand, Israel’s right to exist in peace and security within internationally recognised boundaries and the Palestinian people’s right to have a homeland, sovereign and independent, the right to move around freely, the right to live in dignity,”

    So it is clear that the Vatican is pushing the two-state solution”

    _________________

    Yes, with you so far. The Vatican favours a two-state solution. So far so good.

    But then your comment goes on to talk about the United Nations (and the “Zionists”) and not the Vatican. I quote :

    “…two-state solution one for the Palestinians in which the UN will insist be a democracy for all its people and one for the Jews which the UN will insist will be a democracy for all its people but which the Zionists will ignore and demand to be recognised as a Jewish (only) state.”

    This sort of conflation and artful changes of emphasis is dishonhest and therefore unconvincing, Doug.

    *******************

    La vita è bella, life is good!

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 7:15 pm

    Mr Scorgie,

    When you’re considering your response to my comment, bear in mind what you said in the comment which attracte”d my attention; that was :

    “Yes Mary but that means the Vatican recognising Israel as a Jewish state run by Jews for the benefit of Jews…”

    Yoy have failed to demonstrate that so far, Doug.

  51. This is a photograph of the gravestone of Charlotte Augusta Catherin Dalton, the granddaughter of George III from his marriage to Hannah Lightfoot.

    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=77266266

    Sir Joshua Reynolds allegedly painted Hannah Lightfoot three times. Two of them have survived. This is one the other can be found on Wikipedia, which at least gets that right.

    http://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/Portrait-of-a-lady–traditionally-identi/6D439B993096F577

  52. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    24 May, 2014 - 7:38 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    ““Now, as you’ll be aware, Michael Fawcett isn’t a member of the Royal family.”

    No but Prince Charles is.

    “Michael Fawcett was himself [allegedly] in a homosexual relationship with the Prince of Wales.””
    ______________________

    You’re not on form today are you, Doug. Let me help you.

    Prince Charles is a Royal.
    George Smith was a valet.
    Michael Fawcett is neither a Royal nor a valet.

    All clear so far, Doug? Then we’ll continue.

    Michael Fawcett (not a valet, nor a Royal)allegedly raped George Smith (a valet).

    You cite an alleged homosexual relationship between Michael Fawcett (neither a Royal nor a valet) and Prince Charles ( a Royal).

    The question I put to Craig was :

    “I should like to hear from Craig which of the British ROYALs currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his VALET(s).”.

    So you haven’t really answered it, have you Doug.

    Perhaps you should leave it to Craig after all, Doug. :)

  53. The historical controversy that is being fleshed out in the comments above is totally irrelevant; we all know that there are a great many interesting and risqué historical mysteries which no doubt could stimulate a similar intelligent debate. The simple purpose of today’s slimy post is to cast a slur on our contemporary Royals.

    The post from Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) at 3:52 pm asks Mr Murray to firm up his vague allegations, but the latter has ducked this volley and the subsequent reference to Wikipedia by another poster does not really hit the right spot – today’s article is in bad taste.

  54. John Goss 24 May, 2014 – 3:55 pm

    “Russia Today, that awful overseas station that defends the nasty Putin has done a nice little take on the Royal family NAZI connections.”

    It’s half time!
    I once saw for myself evidence of our Royal family’s nazi connections. I’ve mentioned it before on this blog here:
    http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/03/fascist-switzerland-strikes-back/#comment-397106

    “I once attended a craft fair in the grounds of Glamis Castle, the childhood home of the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret. Someone who worked there showed me something interesting.
    The fences on the estate include cast iron ratchet devices for tensioning the wire. Every wire had one wherever there was an extra strong post, a strainer as it’s called, so there were hundreds of them. And every one of these devices had a swastika on it. Perhaps the royals used their family connections to acquire some left over German military equipment.
    I took a photo and sent a copy to Private Eye, but they didn’t use it or even reply. I would imagine the swastikas are still there if anybody wants to create a bit of mischief.
    I’ve still got the original photo somewhere.”

  55. ” In that case when new facts are found history should not be revised? ”

    If new facts come to light yes, but we haven’t been presented with any yet. Some fanciful story printed in the 18th century equivalent of the Daily Sport by itself doesn’t represent a fact. Perhaps in 200 years time Craig Murray VIII will be claiming that a WW2 bomber really was found on the moon but that those nasty Whig Historians hushed it up.

  56. Canadian Free Press Dianas secret tapes
    The cameraman who filmed these revelations admits that he cannot “quote chapter and verse in fine detail”, but he is adamant that on the videos Diana claims:

    A member of Charles’ staff told her about sexual misconduct within the Royal Household staff — and that Charles “tolerated it”.

    She describes a Royal staff party that was like “something out of Caligula”.
    http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/thomas100406.htm

    The first diary (tape) was recorded on 7th March 2007 6 months later on the 31 st August 2007 she was dead

  57. I bent over to put some luggage in the back of a chauffeur car, which led one married passenger handing me the stuff to the conclusion that the appropriate action for him to take was to put his hand in the obvious place.

    Have I got to pay back the tip for grassing on the coot?

  58. Laysa ba’ad kufri thanb/ none of their crimes is greater than their crime of disbelief.

  59. Craig,
    I enter the debate to suggest this for discussion:-
    A. We do not have in philosophical and/or moral issues any absolutes.
    B. However, we can on a “utilitarian basis” determine the greatest good for the greatest numbers.
    C. I then move forward as regards the issue of buggery.
    I was born in Jamaica in 1954. I attended school in England from sixth form onwards through to University and post-graduate studies and resided fully 10 years there. I thus, have a smattering of knowledge of the English and some good friends I made there. More importantly, England has more than a smattering of us here in the Caribbean, having benefited from us for over 300 years of exploitation ( but that is not the topic of discussion today). No – you “buggers” – we shall now reflect on buggery. Please read these two articles below:-
    http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20140521/lead/lead1.html
    http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20140523/cleisure/cleisure3.html
    The students at the University of the West Indies are soon going to protest the sacking of a University Professor, for what at its simplest I understand to be the following as his scientific opinion :–
    If one engages in buggery, then if there is an infected person being buggered, there is a greater probability that the participants in the buggery will be infected.
    For my part, I take the following position:-
    i) Individuals are free to do what they want behind closed doors.
    ii) But, as the former Jamaican Prime Minister said in his support of retention of the buggery law ( i.e. a statute passed during the era of British colonialism in the 1800s) – it is better to have a moral standard set and have the law remain on the books.
    iii) The old buggery law for maybe 60 years or more has ( truth be told) not seen any convictions in just about all of the English speaking Caribbean, but it remains on the statute books in Jamaica and other English speaking Caribbean countries.
    So – what do we do?
    I think that buggery is physically, by its very nature, an unhealthy practice. Unlike vaginal sex ( where a vagina may sometimes be infected) the bugger is always indulging ( literally) in shit.
    Let the debate begin.
    CB

  60. … And I thought “squeezing the toothpaste” was a colloquialism worthy of Viz magazine.

    Someone suggested ill George was a baster job. Who knows. Like ………

  61. TRUTH OR FICTION?

    George Anthony Smith

    Article-1208279-0623Aea1000005Dc-570 468X582

    George Anthony Smith was a former footman and valet in the Royal Household of Prince Charles. In 1995, Smith made some startling accusations against the Prince of Wales and a man named Michael Fawcett. He alleged that he had been raped by Michael Fawcett, who was one of Prince Charles closest friends. Besides accusing Fawcett of rape, George Smith said that Michael Fawcett was in a homosexual relationship with the Prince of Wales, who protected him. The shocking news made some headlines in November 2003, and was the subject of a legal injunction in the United Kingdom to stop exposure.

    George Smith’s claim of a sexual relationship between the Prince of Wales and Fawcett was repeated in a legal statement issued by him to the Mail on Sunday newspaper. In response, Michael Fawcett took a High Court injunction to prevent their disclosure. The injunction was granted. The Prince’s Private Secretary issued a statement denying the allegations and questioning the trustworthiness of the unnamed Smith as a source.

    The story still cannot be published in England, Wales and Northern Ireland, but it has been written about extensively in the Republic of Ireland and Italy. Geoffrey Wheatcroft, a British media commentator, called Smith “probably the most unreliable source for any story on anything, anywhere in the United Kingdom.” George Smith claims to have only witnessed a member of the Royal Family and his aide “tucked up under the sheets, lying next to each other.”

    In an interesting twist, George Smith discussed the matter with Diana, Princess of Wales. He told her that he had been raped. He also told Diana that he witnessed the Princess’s estranged husband, the Prince of Wales, lying in bed with his aide, Michael Fawcett. Diana is said to have taped the interview. The whereabouts of the tape became a matter of considerable controversy following Diana’s death, in August 1997. On August 24, 2005, George Anthony Smith died in Newport, Wales of an unknown illness. He was only 44-years-old.

    Climatic Research Unit Email Controversy

    Sea Level Rising

    The Climatic Research Unit (CRU) is one of the leading institutions concerned with the study of climate change. In November 2009, hackers gained access to a server used by the CRU and stole a large amount of data, anonymously posting online more than 1,000 emails and more than 2,000 other documents. The event occurred two weeks before the Copenhagen Summit on climate change. Following the leak, global warming skeptics began to highlight sections of the information that showed how scientists have manipulated statistics on climate change and suppressed their critics. The accusations have been denied by the CRU. CRU’s researchers stated that the emails were taken out of context and merely reflect an honest exchange of ideas.

    According to Newsweek, climate skeptics believe that the documents show that global warming is a scientific conspiracy. In one email exchange, a scientist writes of using a statistical “trick” to illustrate historical trends in global warming. The Guardian’s analysis of the emails found that the hackers filtered the information using keywords, including Yamal, tree rings, and Phil Jones. The use of “tree rings” was an attempt to bring to notice the divergence problem. A large number of organizations released statements on the issue. The American Association for the Advancement of Science gave a quote, “There are multiple lines of scientific evidence that global climate change is caused by human activity. It is a growing threat to society.”

    Six committees investigated the allegations and published reports, finding no evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct. However, the reports did criticize climate scientists for their disorganized methods, bunker mentality and lack of transparency. In several email exchanges, Kevin Trenberth, a climatologist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and other scientists discussed gaps in understanding. “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming in 2009 and it is a travesty.” Overall, the incident was considered a public relations disaster for the scientific community. Historian Spencer R. Weart, of the American Institute of Physics, said the incident was unprecedented in the history of science, having “never before seen a set of people accuse an entire community of scientists of deliberate deception.”

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  62. It must be nice to get your toothpaste squeezed out every morning.

    Does Camilla know Chuck’s got a man for this?

  63. Looking at this they are all Mad.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGi41r9HnkI

  64. Glass

    “The simple purpose of today’s slimy post is to cast a slur on our contemporary Royals.”

    Well spotted! No slipping anything past you is there?

    A fascinating take on it here, which I had never come across before
    http://bloodandtreasure.typepad.com/blood_treasure/2014/05/no-man-is-a-hero-to-his-valet.html

  65. Kempe

    What do you mean, fanciful story? Sellis was murdered in Cumberland’s rooms. Cumberland was there at the time, and injured. Links from Herbie above and the one I have just posted give more of the background. It is not fanciful, it happened.

  66. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    25 May, 2014 - 12:41 am

    Interestingly, the Russian Civil War was fought was somewhat analogous to the Ukraine dividing lines. The Red versus White had many beefs, notwithstanding the White Army was behind the fascists and Allies.

    I think they both agreed the Royalist Tsar had to go.

  67. Well, if rich people can buy PR reps and MP’s, one must assume they can buy historians. It works a bit differently I guess, more like the propaganda model in journalism, as historians have a far better educated peer group, but the principle is the same. Someone’s career can progress by not rocking the boat, being unchallenging. Revisionism is accepted, up to a point, but not too far.

    I studied history for 2 years at Uni, though don’t think I showed particular flair for the subject. I do recall finding the subject a bit frustrating. Lots of reading to be done (not a bad thing), and a tendency to get bogged down in ‘granular’ level of details, without looking at the big picture. I now look back and wonder if there also should have been a unit on psychology, as part of the history degree. After all, some major historical figues were, to be blunt, lunatics. Indeed, it seems to be the case that if we read our history, the prevalence of narcissists, sociopaths, psychopaths, and the outright insane, in positions of power and influence is really quite alarming. Over-respresented, you might say.

    I expect if we ever got a true history of the monarchy, and it became accepted in the mainstream, we’d have a republic. Full disclosure: I’m a republican, and see zero point in a monarchy. I also see zero point in replacing a monarchy with a president, thinking the presidential model just as establishment as the constitutional monarchy. However, I also think any referendum would fall heavily in favour of retaining the monarchy, so unless Prince Charles is caught on tape with a shady Mossad figure saying, ‘kill that minesweeping bitch, Paris is the place’, I fear we just have to accept the monarchy as part of life. Shame. The only argument I ever heard in their favour is that they are good for the tourist industry, which may well be true I suppose, but still not a clincher.

    I find it revealing that, after the 60’s happened, and with one of the best educated populace history has ever seen, the world is still run by its’ Kings and Queens. They are called oligarchs now, and have huge resources and power, and they are constrained, to a degree, by their parliaments, but Royals and Romans have often been constrained by their parliament, that’s not new either.

    I hope an independent Scotland has a referendum on the royals. I fear Salmond will bottle that one though. Mind, I still think the fix is already in, and a close race has only one outcome. I expect Craig will write about it, look forward to it, sort of.

  68. Alex Salmond is a Privy Councillor-which entails taking an oath to The Queen.

    How does that square with independence can anyone tell me?

    I’m not yanking chains i genuinely don’t understand the potentially split loyalty.

  69. Lord Haw-haw

    25 May, 2014 - 4:02 am

    Right, why would the ancient people of Scotland consent to be associated with the English, born and bred to kiss degenerate arse? Here’s a inbred pencil-neck that can’t take the match given seven attacks parried with nothing but a cumbersome bactile, and a whole country trained to bow and scrape to him. That’s why the Brits are doomed to be American’s butlers, Blair for Bush, Cameron for Obama and on down the ladder. Dismember Britain, it’s not even fit for buggery anymore.

  70. this post reveals ‘the firm’ for what we all suspected…

    feckin’ buggers . . .

  71. Resident Dissident

    25 May, 2014 - 7:58 am

    Really all that is being demonstrated is that power corrupts – I think Craig (and others) are being somewhat naïve in trying to push the line that this problem is somewhat unique to the British establishment – it isn’t. There are plenty of tales of its existence among the relatively new SNP establishment and the Putinistas should perhaps remember the role of the leaders’ mistress in lighting in Olympic flame.

  72. Dave Lawton That Mad Monarchs video of Heathcote Williams is as brilliant as all his others. I liked the King who thought he was made of glass!

    The first example is completely true. Maxwell published a transcript in the Daily Mirror of a phone conversation between P Charles and Camilla which an eavesdropper had recorded. Some of the content still turns your stomach considering that Diana was at home with his two children then aged 7 and 5 in 1989.

    Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles say goodnight
    http://everything2.com/title/Prince+Charles+and+Camilla+Parker+Bowles+say+goodnight

  73. Correction there. Maxwell died in 1991 and the transcript wasn’t published in the Mirror press until 1993.

  74. A Node I would definitely be interested to see the photographs of the royal wire ratchet devices with Swastika emblems.

  75. John Goss, A Node

    But are you sure they don’t pre-date the Nazis? The swastika is a very old symbol.

  76. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 7:11 pm

    “This sort of conflation and artful changes of emphasis is dishonhest and therefore unconvincing, Doug.”

    This is not the first time you have been unable to join the dots Habbabkuk

    If you can afford it, I recommend:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logic-Dummies-Mark-Zegarelli/dp/0471799416/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1401014145&sr=1-1&keywords=logic+for+dummies

  77. Glass
    24 May, 2014 – 7:51 pm

    “…the subsequent reference to Wikipedia by another poster does not really hit the right spot…”

    What do you mean by the right spot Glass?

    Do you mean it doesn’t prove the story to be true?

    Well the story has been covered up Glass, the media has been gagged so there is little to go on.

    “…today’s article is in bad taste.”

    If it turned out to be proven as true (Craig’s article that is) would it still be in bad taste?

    If the article had been about Putin say, buggering one of his assistants would that be in bad taste?

    Perhaps you’ve had a Glass too many.

  78. Craig, I agree. It needs to known how old they are, and I know about it being an ancient sign, Hindu, I think.

  79. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 7:38 pm

    “You cite an alleged homosexual relationship between Michael Fawcett (neither a Royal nor a valet) and Prince Charles ( a Royal).”

    “The question I put to Craig was :”
    “I should like to hear from Craig which of the British ROYALs currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his VALET(s).”

    Pedantic bullshit I’m afraid dear Habbabkuk (pedantic = overly concerned with minute details)

  80. Don’t see this rigmarole about Prince Charles, the third son, George Anthony Smith, buggering valets, injunctions, murder, etc., going anywhere.

    Should we really be talking about Prince Edward, the Queen’s third son who was finally married in 1999, and became involved in the possible murder of Princess Di when Operation Paget was reinvestigating it, and it was told by the CIA that she learned of his buggering valets, and it became another reason for getting rid of not only her, but also most convenient and most troublesome Smith by poison?

    Lord Stevens always found such murders most convenient in whatever covert government found necessary.

  81. I always thought the distinction between the Nazi use of the swastika and the more ancient tradition had to do with the left or right handededness of the swastika. But having checked with Wikipedia it appears that is not true, and both versions were common in the ancient world. If you read the Wikipedia entry on the history of the swastika it is a damn interesting read. Quite amazing just how many cultures have used it, starting apparently 10,000 years ago. Some great stories there too such as the one about Heinrich Böll on a visit to Dublin in the 50s upset to see signs for the Swastika Laundry, until he realised it had been around since 1912. The impression it left with me was sadness that such an ancient and ubiquitous symbol for good luck, among other things, has now been rendered utterly taboo by the Nazis.

  82. doug scorgie

    25 May, 2014 - 1:15 pm

    Jives
    25 May, 2014 – 3:50 am

    “Alex Salmond is a Privy Councillor-which entails taking an oath to The Queen.”

    “How does that square with independence can anyone tell me?”

    It’s not just Privy Councillors Jives.

    Every MP in the UK has to do so or they cannot take up their seats in parliament.

    Also every member of the armed forces and every member of the police.

  83. So effective they haven’t changed it since the C13.

    Privy Councillor’s Oath

    This is the oath taken on becoming a member of the Privy Council. It has remained unchanged since about 1250.

    The vow of secrecy is not usually upheld – but it does apply if sensitive government information is revealed to Privy Councillors on “Privy Council terms”.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/a-z_of_parliament/p-q/85690.stm

    and you don’t get your MP’s or Lord’s spondoolies until you have sworn the oath. What archaic nonsense. A democracy? You’re ‘avin a laaff Your Maj!

    Swearing in and the parliamentary oath
    7http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/swearingin/

  84. “John Goss, A Node

    But are you sure they don’t pre-date the Nazis? The swastika is a very old symbol.”

    It’s possible that some pre-Hitler hardware company used the symbol as a logo, but much more likely that it is the Nazi version, given the Queen mother’s connections to Germany.
    My original photo should be in a box in the attic where it has been awaiting unpacking since we moved to this house 14 years ago. I’ll try to unearth it.
    In the meantime, if anybody fancies a nice Sunday afternoon excursion, Glamis Castle is 12 miles from Dundee, Google Map …..

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/Glamis+Castle/@60.209965,-10.818442,4z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x4f414f9a83101ffd?hl=en-GB

    ….. and it’s open to the public ….

    “The 2014 Season runs from 12th April to 2nd November.
    The Castle and Grounds are open daily from 10.00am to 6.00pm, last admission 4.30pm”

    http://www.glamis-castle.co.uk/

  85. …. and at only 5 miles, its not far for Forfar either.

  86. It is obvious to all who stand outside the political world kafr ro Muslim, that it takes a heavy toll on a human being to dedicate their life energy to causing problems to others and trying to steer destiny away from God’s plan, i.e. the game of politics.

    Therefore most people who engage in it comfort themselves by putting pressure on other people who are under their thumb.

    If it’s such a tough job being a Royal, why not admit that you are an ordinary human being with absolutely no legitimacy to either political or religious authority.

    When you are in a hole, stop digging.

    Similarly, with political Islam in Egypt and Syria, when you realise that nobody wants your fanatacism, stop killing. Maybe when Egypt, Tunisia, Libya , Syria and Jordan have been completely ruined, for the sake of Allah they will give you some little mosques to shorten your trousers and grow your emnity in.

  87. Scotland’s most spectacular castle, ancestral family home of the Earls of Strathmore and Kinghorne and the childhood Home of HM Queen Elizabeth, The Queen Mother.

    Glamis Castle has been the ancestral home of the Earls of Strathmore for over 600 years. The present Earl is Michael, 18th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne. Please note that Glamis Castle closes to the general public for the season on 3rd November 2013.

    !!!!!!!!
    Prices:
    Adult: £10.90
    Child: £8.00
    Family: £32.00
    Concession: £10.00

    Who did they steal it from?

    I hate castles. All that fighting, killing and blood letting.

    ~~~
    Eton and the Scots Guards. Then stockbroking and a govt whip in the 90s. ie the usual
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bowes-Lyon,_18th_Earl_of_Strathmore_and_Kinghorne

    He is in the Better Together camp. I am sure he is.

    ‘The letter from James I to Lord Glamis, in which the former expresses “remarkable enthusiasm” for the Union of the Crowns of Scotland and England, was unearthed on April 19 2014 by Lord Strathmore, with whom it appears in the Daily Telegraph of that day. The monarch is known to be an advocate of a single parliament, and the fragile document makes clear his conviction that the two nations are “better together”, incidentally the name of the modern campaign against disunion.’

    The link – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/scottish-politics/10775380/Letter-written-by-first-king-of-Great-Britain-mirrors-current-campaign-for-the-Union.html

  88. doug scorgie

    25 May, 2014 - 4:43 pm

    Resident Dissident
    25 May, 2014 – 7:58 am

    “There are plenty of tales of its existence among the relatively new SNP establishment and the Putinistas should perhaps remember the role of the leaders’ mistress in lighting in Olympic flame.”

    Was buggery involved there ResDis?

  89. RD even had plural leaders …… . ‘leaders’ mistress.’

    Only one mistress for all those leaders. Are Agent Cameron and Obomber in on it?

  90. I wonder how land resdistribution will fare, when Scotland gets independence.

    Interesting article here:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/10852929/Land-owned-by-Scotlands-lairds-must-be-capped.html

    I suspect they’ll make a lot of noise for very little change.

  91. Resident Dissident

    25 May, 2014 - 6:34 pm

    “Was buggery involved there ResDis?”

    I was talking about corruption that takes many forms – sexual and otherwise.

  92. An enduring image.
    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75091000/jpg/_75091530_75091529.jpg

    Pope prays at Israel’s West Bank separation barrier
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-27562919

    It is not a ‘separation barrier’. It is a bloody great concrete wall 8m in height and is built right up to the Palestinian dwellings.

  93. Chocolate wins the day.

    BREAKING NEWS:Chocolate tycoon Petro Poroshenko has won outright victory in Ukraine’s presidential election – national exit polls

    Sounds more like a chocolate chip off the old block.

    ‘Klitschko’s decision to abandon the presidential ambitions for Poroshenko was welcomed by the former head of the presidential Yanukovych administration Sergei Liovochkin.
    The internet publication Ukrainian Pravda, referring to the Austrian press, reported that Poroshenko and Klitschko formed their union on request by Ukranian billionaire Dmitry Firtash, who is facing bribery charges in the U.S. Firtash publicly confirmed that he supports Poroshenko in the presidential election.’
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Poroshenko

  94. Resident Dissident

    25 May, 2014 - 6:49 pm

    Those worried about a ‘fascist coup’ in Ukraine will be glad to know that Tyahnybok (Svodoba) got 1.3% and Yarosh (Right Sector) 0.9% according to the exit polls – rather less than the 11.6% obtained by Zhirinovsky’s fascist party in the last Russian legislative elections.

  95. Kipling used the swastika before it acquired the connotations it has now. Here is a technically v bad but somewhat informative site. You’ll easily find better, but I’m slurping wine after Sunday dinner and too sleepy to do your googling for you.

    I like Kipling (even without the usual PC qualifications) and his books on the shelves above my head have that symbol on their spine. As he uses it, it seems clearly intended as an Indian reference, nothing sinister.

    His ‘Stalky & Co’ stories scandalised a generation. Recommended.

  96. Resident Dissident

    25 May, 2014 - 8:02 pm

    Swastikas on Scottish fences sort of explained here

    http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/non-combat-uniforms-related-insignia-third-reich/swastika-churchyard-fence-scotland-help-needed-29962/

    On the other hand we could start a conspiracy theory about the hidden Nazi cell within Scotland which is now in the final stages of implementing its master plan………….

  97. Resident Dissident

    25 May, 2014 - 8:07 pm

  98. I guess we are going to have to accept RD that the Nazi roots of the Royal Family have probably not got anything to do with logos on the fences of their many castles paid for by the British taxpayer. Perhaps when Scotland goes independent its taxpayers alone will fund some of these stately homes.

  99. I should have said thanks for the links. They could well be the fence ratchets to which A Node was referring.

  100. Interesting discussion.

    How long will it be before Alex Salmond is compared to Hitler.

    Oops:

    https://www.google.co.uk/#q=alex+salmond+hitler

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9214792/David-Starkey-Alex-Salmond-is-a-Caledonian-Hitler.html

    The British elite seem to have defined Hitler as anyone who is currently agin’em.

    Yet they were Hitler’s greatest supporters.

    They used to be called perfidious, but that doesn’t quite pack the punch necessary, these days.

    “Lying parasitic scum”, was a phrase oft voiced by ordinary peeps in pubs, when we still had pubs.

    They weren’t wrong.

  101. Le Front National is said to have won in France.

    Total estimated turnout throughout the EU is said to have risen by 0.1% to 43.1%.

    !!!

  102. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    25 May, 2014 - 10:35 pm

  103. “The people shouldn’t be afraid of the government, the government should be afraid of the people.” I’m watching V for Vengeance so slightly off topic.

  104. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    25 May, 2014 - 10:49 pm

    “V” is one of my favorite feel good films, John

    V: “Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, whereby those important events of the past, usually associated with someone’s death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who’s to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you’ve seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you, then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot.”

  105. Resident Dissident 25 May, 2014 – 8:07 pm

    “Scotland’s full of them!
    http://www.secretscotland.org.uk/forum/forum/m-1318343034/

    Thank you, RD, the matter has been thoroughly examined in that forum. The photos there fit my memory of what I saw at Glamis Castle. If these sleuths were unable to come to a conclusion, I guess that’s it for now – inconclusive.

    To summarise their hundreds of comments:

    These fence wire tensioners are called “radisseurs”
    The ones with swastikas are not uncommon in Scotland but unreported in other European countries.
    There are three theories what they’re doing here:
    (1) a large batch of German-made stock was sold off cheap in Scotland, post-war because the swastika made them illegal to use in Germany.
    (2) They were made in India or China by a hardware manufacturer whose logo predates the Nazi party.
    (3) the swastika was a symbol demonstrating which way to ratchet up the tension!!

    In my opinion theory (1) is most likely and in support I offer this comment from someone living in Germany:

    “There are two possibilities I can think of. One is that they were made here for a German customer. but were part of a cancelled order in 1939, or that they were imported from Germany either before or after the war. the latter would probably make more sense as their use would be totally forbidden post war in Germany, as displaying a swastika in any form was banned, and there may have been a warehouse full of them with no home market.
    The interesting thing is that modern ones in catalogues seem absolutely identical. apart from the swastika, of course.
    Also one of the suppliers says on their website “these are widely used in Scotland” implying that they are not elsewhere in the UK.”

    Also, elsewhere, the Indian ‘Swastika Trading Co’ was found to use “a stylised Indian swastika, and doesn’t deal in fencing.”

    So probably German war stock, but no smoking gun. You got off with it this time, Lizzie ….

  106. Ben

    “America’s wars grew worse and worse and eventually came to London.”

  107. The European election results are coming in, constituency by constituency, as they do in a General election, but the vote in the UK was 4 days ago. The votes must’ve been long ago counted, but they are presenting them to us as though the results are just coming in. Sky seems to be following the same running order, so it seems each constituency has been allotted a time slot to read out their results.

    OK, it makes for a more exciting format, and God knows, a European election needs that, but who decided in which order the results are announced?

    It won’t affect the final result, obviously, but put it this way: if you asked each of the major parties to decide in which order the results should be announced, I bet each would have very different suggestions.

  108. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 May, 2014 - 12:02 am

    John; while you were watching ‘V’ I was watching Lord of War. It’s a fact-based account of private weapon merchants and the proliferation of small arms to developing nations. The principal character is dogged by INTERPOL and at one point he points out that the US delivers more in one day than he did in a year.

  109. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 May, 2014 - 12:12 am

    Buggering the Head of State..lol.

    http://incakolanews.blogspot.ca/2014/05/civilized-countries-unscientific.html

    “Here’s the thought experiment I’ve been playing with this morning: Take your political* Head of State and place her or him in the centre of the region of their own country that shows the most opposition to their government or administration, with no security detail or special physical protection. The question is, would said HoS then be murdered? Here are my subjective thoughts on a few places I know something about and/or watch closely, add your own if you like.

    The UK: No. Cameron would have a very rough time and plenty of verbal haranguing, but physical violence would be unlikely.

    Canada: Ditto. Many people hate Harper, but they’re unlikely to get medieval on the guy.

    France: No. More likely they’d end up inviting Hollande to dinner and launching into deep debate in order to convince him of the error of his ways, with consensus over at least a couple of items reached over the calvados and cheese.

    Argentina: No and for three reasons: Argentines talk more aggressively than they act re. politics, there are too many people who ID themselves as Peronists that will hate CFK’s style but agree on baseline substance, plus as a country they’re culturally very respectful towards women.

    Peru: No. Ollanta hasn’t screwed up people’s lives (so far). He may have ignored people who he said he’d help since coming to power and there is plenty of resentment over certain issues, but people’s justice wouldn’t carry to murder.

    Colombia: Tough call frankly, it’s the one I’ve been debating over more than any other. Santos may be in mortal danger in the unfettered company of far-lefties or far-righties there, but I’d guess the potential of his murder would first be used as some sort of bargaining chip in a wider deal (or non-deal). There’s an element of cold and calculated in this one, unlikely to be an instant, hot-blooded killing.

    The USA: Yes. A stereotyped collective negro lynch mob death probably wouldn’t happen, but the chances that one nutbar or a group of them consider it their patriotic duty to remove a powerful black democrat from the face of the planet are very high. The free availability of nasty weapons, the window of opportunity and the archetype individualistic, fractured society of self-importance all point in the same direction.

    Mexico: Yes. Plonk Peña Nieto in front of the narco groups that he’s been trying to dismantle and the only debate would be the way in which he’s to die, including the amount of pre-death pain his executioner would inflict just for fun.

    Venezuela: Yes. Maduro would be dead in less than a minute.”

  110. EU – WASTED By DEMOCRACY

    UKIP 31.3
    Con 24.9
    Labour 23.3
    Lib Dem 6.9
    Others 13.6

    Weird that

    Tony

  111. Tony

    I was just thinking about you.
    Human nature is forever chastising those with more compassion than ourselves as having been brought up too soft.

    I remember from my childhood the frozen, stony emotional rejection my mother received from time to time from her mother. It was as chilling as the shared love of large immigrant families, Muslim or Eastern European is warming.

    I have heard English mums threaten their infants with tearing every bone out of their bodies for tiny misdemeanours, and I was thinking about the terrible impact this violence has, especially when combined with emotional rejection.

    Buggering the valet might have been a whole lot more emotionally satisfying than trying to have sex with severely emotionally disabled UK aristocratic women. Judge not lest ye be judged Amen.

    And yet only last night I heard my favourite Muslim preacher calling for the rod not to be spared in the memory learning of the Qur’an. I have visited madrassahs in Pakistan where boys were woken at dawn and allowed to bed only at 11 pm, with an additional daytime rest. And people who attended them report that they were beaten. So why not continue in the tradition?

    Colleagues from English backgrounds have described how they were thrashed for not obeying their elders. You had to earn parental affection. The very idea of having your own intellectual or religious opinion!

    Fair play to Prince Charles for getting to 70 and finding the self-confidence to express opinions. He should have been given that freedom as a child. Humour us.

    The appalling situation that exists amongst Muslims that they actually collude with Western Intelligence agencies to spy on their fellow Muslims is probably a disease from their own upbringing where their sexual desires were thrashed out of them.

    Judge not lest ye be judged is very much part of the Islamic tradition in its own right, but unlike Christians most Muslims do not know the verses from the scriptures that this spiritual principle is derived from. Anyone know please?

    The least Christian Christian has it as a building block of personality. Who knows about the post-Christians and the post Communists? Without it, projection and Voting for UKIP is the obvious solution. Wasted by democracy. or as Thomas Hardy would say, ruined.

    Christian thought always falls back on the crucifixion myth, that killing your teacher was the only way to stop civilisation as you knew it from falling apart. People have always eaten people. If people didn’t eat people there would be nothing left to eat! ( This is satire darlings from Flanders and Swan not part of Muslim theology )

    Human psychology always gangs up on those it considers to have not yet been beaten enough.

  112. The persecution of Protestants in France by Robespierre is much the same as the persecution of the Syrian Muslims by Al Qaida today. It is a Zionist plan to secularise Muslim countries.

    If you secularise people they have no spiritual foundation and you can incite them to division on ethnic and other fault lines.
    You think UKIP is a challenge to the status quo? UKIP is the monkey here.

    http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/185921/1/The-Family-Of-Darius-Before-Alexander-The-Great-$28356-23-Bc$29-Illustration-From-Lives-Of-Great-Men-Told-By-Great-Men,-Edited-By-Richard-Wilson,-C.1920s.jpg

  113. guano
    26 May, 2014 – 5:39 am
    “Fair play to Prince Charles for getting to 70″

    that’s entirely unfair, guano.
    as one born on the very same day – but radically different manger – i can assure you, “we are not amused.”
    in fact you will have to wait more than five years [but less than 6] for credibility with that…

    otherwise, i agree with your comment & always enjoy your posts.

  114. Q. What happens to the ballot papers, all numbered, and cross referenced on the electoral roll lists that the invigilators use.

    When I voted, one of two gave me the ballot paper and told the other what number it was. The latter then wrote that number against my name and drew a line through it using a ruler presumably as a record of my attendance. So they know who I am and how I voted. The same for all of us presumably.

    It is not a secret ballot.

    PS Spell check was anxious to change my misspelling of ‘invigilators’ to ‘invalidators.’ Enough said :)

  115. Next time when there is any defence of the Iraq war or of its perpetrators, show them this. I did not know that Wikileaks had logged every death and recorded the details. And still poor Julian is imprisoned and little is said. It is an outrage and one of the massive injustices of the century.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/interactive/2010/oct/23/wikileaks-iraq-deaths-map

    If you zoom up over Baghdad, it is literally a sea of red.

  116. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 9:35 am

    Mr Scorgie

    ” Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 7:38 pm

    ” “You cite an alleged homosexual relationship between Michael Fawcett (neither a Royal nor a valet) and Prince Charles ( a Royal).”

    “The question I put to Craig was :”
    “I should like to hear from Craig which of the British ROYALs currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his VALET(s).”

    Pedantic bullshit I’m afraid dear Habbabkuk (pedantic = overly concerned with minute details)”
    _____________________

    Not sure if the details are as minute as all that, Doug. Unless of course anything that shows you up as a bit of a plonker when it comes to logical argument counts as a minute detail?

    Anyway, a small question to you.

    Let’s assume you were caught one morning having fun under the bed covers with Herbie. It later transpires that Herbie had buggered A Node. Does this mean that you buggered A Node?

    Do you adhere to the theory of buggering by proxy and if so, would you extend that theory to other forms of sexual activity?

    Let’s be having you, Doug…. :)

  117. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 9:37 am

    MODS

    pls delete my comment at 09h32. Something went slightly wrong there….

  118. So what did the other 66% think? It’s all a joke especially hearing the pocket pols’ giving their claims and interpretations of the results earlier this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/vote2014/eu-uk-results

    One good thing. Zionist Israel supporting LD Sarah Ludford got the order of the boot in London.
    London MEP Sarah Ludford meets Israeli President Shimon Peres http://www.sarahludfordmep.org.uk/node/2189

    Sadly Zionist Israel supporting Con Nirj Deva got back in the SE. You should see his reply to me concerning support for Israel within the EU… EU-Israel Conformity Assessment … The EU‑Israel Conformity Assessment and Acceptance of … of Industrial Products (ACCA) agreement

    Both were on this 2009 list . Probably the same still applies if they were still there this year. It’s called ‘Keeping it in the family’.

    MEPs who employ family members:
    Brian Simpson – Lab – Son Mark £26,000-£36,000, wife Linda £10,000-£12,000
    Sir Robert Atkins – Con – Wife Lady Atkins £30,000-£39,999
    Nirj Deva – Con – Wife Indra £30,000-£39,999
    Stephen Hughes – Lab – Wife Cynthia Beaver £30,000-£40,000
    Charles Tannock – Con –Wife Silvia Janicinova £30,000-£39,999
    Michael Cashman – Lab – Civil partner Paul Cottingham £30,000
    Timothy Kirkhope – Con – Wife Caroline £20,000-£29,999
    Diana Wallis – Lib Dem – Husband Stewart Arnold £20,000-£25,000
    Roger Helmer – Con – Wife Sara £10-£20,000
    Graham Watson – Lib Dem – Wife Rita Giannini-Watson £10,000-£20,000
    Glenis Willmott – Lab – Husband Edward Willmott £10,000-£20,000
    Giles Chichester – Con – Wife Virginia £10,000-19,999
    Martin Callanan – Con – Wife Jayne Burton £0-£10,000
    Geoffrey van Orden – Con – Wife Frances £0-10,000
    Baroness (Sarah) Ludford – Lib Dem – Husband Steve Hitchins
    Nigel Farage – UKIP – Wife Kirsten
    Godfrey Bloom – UKIP – Niece Victoria Skowronek
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/6347266/British-MEPs-exploit-loophole-to-pay-relatives-to-work-for-them.html

  119. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 9:47 am

    “David Starkey: Alex Salmond is a ‘Caledonian Hitler’

    “He said Mr Salmond thinks that “the English, like the Jews, are everywhere”, before arguing that Hitler was “more democratically elected”.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9214792/David-Starkey-Alex-Salmond-is-a-Caledonian-Hitler.html

    Starkey is of course one of our respected establishment historians.

    Should we believe his version of history?

    “The historian and broadcaster David Starkey has provoked a storm of criticism after claiming during a televised discussion about the riots that “the problem is that the whites have become black”.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/aug/13/david-starkey-claims-whites-black

  120. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 9:59 am

    Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO
    26 May, 2014 – 12:12 am

    “Venezuela: Yes. Maduro would be dead in less than a minute.”

    True Ben

    The CIA are just waiting for the opportunity

  121. Cameron said this morning that he will not shift the referendum forward, giving UKIP more scope.
    But I’m sure that theyt will be making all sorts of approaches with them, we will either see a UKIP Tory coalition, or, in a bid of desperation, a grand coalition of the stale party oligarchies.

    The greens are stagnating and the Lib Dems are panting for air, frantically treading water after being maelstromed, to reach the top and mingle with the floaters.

    Why has this man such success? He cares very little of what people think of him or his agenda, speaks his mind and does not change the subject round to his kind of debate.

    UKIP’s manifesto agenda is poor, it does not say anything on issues other parties write reims on. But they are wrong, if there would be a vote on the EU today, they would find that the majority will vote to stay in. Cameron is mistaken, he should bring the referendum forward, as soon as possible, even before the GE, because the result would pull the rug away underneath UKIPs feet.

    Off course, this would mean to be open and forthcoming with information about Europe’s achievements, what it means to the economy and why we should be sitting at the table negotiating, not begging for hand outs and access at the doorstep.
    If there is any lesson for these carrerists to learn, it is to be open, direct and honest with voters. Changing the subject because you do not like it, being evasive and aloof will not get them anywhere.
    Creating jobs that are meaningfull, scraping nuclear power and go full out on tidal and sea current energy generation, and a promise of supporting all schools regardless of whether they are run as free schools academies or comprehensives would all go down well with young people. The debate on the decriminalisation of drugs is another issues thats been too long evaded.

    The economic benefits that come from safeguarding our estuaries and coastline, whilst cancelling an uneccessarry PWR programm, the sense it would make to ban nocotinoids, without a debate as the evidence is clear as daylight, would both be positive measures that can be announced instantly, measures young people would appreciate as their future insurance.

    Why say this? because hope for principled positive and sustainable change is the greatest motivator of all. Enjoy the gardening

  122. ‘The principal character is dogged by INTERPOL and at one point he points out that the US delivers more in one day than he did in a year.’

    The principal character in the film is a fictionalised version of Viktor Bout; he was rendered by the CIA in Bangkok in 2008 and is presently serving time in an Illinois prison facility-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Bout

    Unsurprisingly, his wikipedia entry makes no mention of the logistical assistance his companies gave to the occupying forces in Iraq post 2003.

  123. More scare stories from the establishment on the dangers of an independent Scotland:

    “The cost of setting up all the bodies needed in an independent Scotland could be £1.5bn, the UK Treasury has claimed.”

    “It based the figure on research into the costs of setting up an independent state in Quebec, which have been estimated at 1% of GDP.”

    Why, I wonder, have they based their figures on a hypothetical analysis of a Canadian province?

  124. “David Starkey: Alex Salmond is a ‘Caledonian Hitler’

    Although he doesn’t sound it, Starkey is a native Cumbrian; anti Scottish prejudices in the English appear to increase exponentially the closer you get to Carlisle.

  125. 21st century democracy:

    Ukraine and now Thailand

    “Thailand’s military leader has received royal endorsement at a ceremony in the capital, Bangkok, after taking power in a coup last week.”

    “To restore peace and order in the country and for sake of unity, the king appointed Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha as head of the National Council of Peace and Order to run the country,”

    “Elections would take place as soon as possible, he said, but gave no timeframe.”

    “He also said he would have NO CHOICE BUT TO USE FORCE if protests continued.”

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-27572726

    Could it happen in Scotland I wonder?

  126. The thought police at the DfE are active. Minds are being moulded.

    25 May 2014

    Exam board ‘drops’ Mockingbird and Steinbeck after Gove reforms
    Comments (902)

    Gove reveals ‘tougher’ GCSE shake-up

    To Kill a Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men are among the US literary classics to be dropped by a GCSE exam board after the education secretary called for more British works to be studied.

    Neither book is on OCR’s draft GCSE English Literature syllabus in England.

    Michael Gove’s overhaul has also seen Arthur Miller’s The Crucible left out.

    The Department for Education said its document about new content for the subject published in December “doesn’t ban any authors, books or genres”.

    Labour said the changes were “ideological” and “backward-looking”.

    /..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-27563466

  127. doug scorgie, craig murray,

    Yes, the post is in bad taste. If you want to find fault with the royals, there are many serious things to criticise and expose without resorting to smut.

    The remark recently made by Prince Charles in Canada – which is probably the reason for this post – is most likely disingenuous and made with the intention to suck up to those who would be gratified by the comparison between Putin and Hitler. Why? Maybe we should think of the results of the recent elections and the proximity of the general election.

  128. And here is one to make you all smile, off course, certain libertarians believe in it and there might be a ruse of taxing solar energy soon.
    I hope this will cheer up your Monsunday.

    http://nationalreport.net/solar-panels-drain-suns-energy-experts-say/comment-page-6/#comment-432422

  129. A good laugh but how many will believe it?

    A lot probably in America.

    “The study was commissioned by…the Halliburton corporation…”

    Say no more!

  130. Glass

    If you completely lack a sense of fun and mischief, I really wouldn’t bother coming here :-).

    Public service announcement. Tomorrow we leave for Spain where Nadira is starting a four month module on her Master’s degree. Cameron is going along, and of course so am I as chief cook, bottlewasher and childminder. Once they are well established in a few weeks I shall be free to roam the world as usual, principally of course Scotland now for obvious reasons. Obviously very busy packing and moving at the minute.

  131. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 12:22 pm

    Mary splutters

    “Exam board ‘drops’ Mockingbird and Steinbeck after Gove reforms
    Comments (902)

    Gove reveals ‘tougher’ GCSE shake-up

    To Kill a Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men are among the US literary classics to be dropped by a GCSE exam board after the education secretary called for more British works to be studied.

    Neither book is on OCR’s draft GCSE English Literature syllabus in England.

    Michael Gove’s overhaul has also seen Arthur Miller’s The Crucible left out.”
    _______________________

    Now, the three works cited by Mary might well be excellent examples of political literature but no one other than(perhaps) a dogmatic left-winger would claom that they are in the English-language literary canon.

    Therefore Mary’s claim that

    “the thought police at the DfE are active. Minds are being moulded.”

    is, as so often, nonsensical.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    As is, by the way, Gnu-Labour’s assertion that “the changes were “ideological” and “backward-looking”.

    Backward looking in relation to what?

    **************************

    Habbabkuk for Quality Education and the Literary Canon.

  132. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 12:35 pm

    CRAIG

    “Glass

    If you completely lack a sense of fun and mischief, I really wouldn’t bother coming here :-) .”
    ________________

    You’re right of course and I know you were just having a little frolic there ‘cos I remember you saying that although a republican you didn’t share the animosity certain commenters feel for the Royal family.

    But still, I do think you should have shown more consideration for the weaker-minded and more impressionable of your followers on here: some you have stirred up into a frenzy (bad for the heart and judgement), whereas others will now not dare to venture within 10 miles of Buck House, Windsor Castle, Balmoral and Sandringham lest they should find themselves unexpectedly and unpleasantly impaled*on the end of a rampant Royal Rod.

    ________________

    * in the case of Doug Scorgie (see above),possibly by proxy.

  133. Nevermind, Doug Scorgie,

    This has got to be a wind up …. hasn’t it?
    Not even Haliburton would stretch our credibility this far …. would they?

    Naah, it’s a hoax ….. isn’t it?

  134. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 12:39 pm

    Mr Scorgie (re the military coup in Thailand)

    “Could it happen in Scotland I wonder?”
    ______________________

    Even without wondering, I doubt it, Doug.

    Has your wondering led you to firm up an opinion yet, I wonder?

    If so, Doug, do you now think it could happen or that it couldn’t?

  135. Alan Campbell

    26 May, 2014 - 12:45 pm

    From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:
    “In the small hours of 31 May 1810 Cumberland’s valet, Joseph Sellis, was found with his throat cut in the duke’s apartments at St James’s Palace. Cumberland, who had a deep wound in the head, maintained he had been awakened by blows struck by Sellis, whom he forced to flee to his own bedroom, where the valet committed suicide. At the inquest on Sellis this account was accepted by a jury whose foreman was the radical, Francis Place. The motive for an assault by Sellis on the duke remains unclear; it was alleged that, as a Corsican and a Roman Catholic (and thus paralleled with Britain’s foe, Napoleon), he was goaded by taunts and insults from his ultra-protestant and anti-French master; but Sellis was actually Sardinian, and had his children baptized in the Church of England. So deep was the abhorrence felt towards Cumberland following the inquest, which despite its verdict revealed much contradictory evidence, that it was widely believed he had murdered Sellis to prevent him from revealing scandalous details of the duke’s private life.”

  136. Having re-read my post above, I should make clear that I don’t for one instant give any credibility to the photon-hoovering powers of solar panels. I am suggesting that someone is winding us up by pretending that Haliburton is behind the study.

  137. Resident Dissident

    26 May, 2014 - 12:59 pm

    “whereas others will now not dare to venture within 10 miles of Buck House, Windsor Castle, Balmoral and Sandringham lest they should find themselves unexpectedly and unpleasantly impaled*on the end of a rampant Royal Rod.”

    More likely a fence complete with Nazi insignia!

  138. Sorry Doug, no wonder you referred to it as V. I thought I was watching V for Vengeance but it was V for Vendetta. What’s happening to my brain? Don’t answer that. I recognised Stephen Fry in a half-decent film. No Royals but I think it gave Anonymous a few ideas.

  139. Courtenay Barnett
    Ummm…but from a psychological perspective they could be labelled. One could perhaps identify these behaviors as rooted in the process of ‘desublimation’. This occurs when the natural process of ‘sublimation’ is repressed and the id overrides the ego as the driving force for personal satisfaction. It is down to deep rooted repression as another poster pointed out. The unnatural forces acting on the individual indeed do interfere with the expression of his or her free will.
    However the point here is that this is also a societal phenomenon its achieved by a subtle manner and we are coaxed into unnatural behaviors, such as consumerism and racialism through advertising and other forms propaganda..repressive desublimation is the curse of modern society and this leads to the condition of hypercognition..thinking we understand things that we don’t and really can’t, but also neurosis and entrapment.

  140. Olla Craig, disfrutar de España y no olvides decirle a los vecinos a cuidar su casa.

    Good luck to Nadira’s with the studies, you will need factor 30 suncreme if you get time off from the washing up.

  141. Habby

    You’ve differentiated what you call “political literature”, from what you call the English-language literary canon.

    Have you the faintest clue what you’re talking about?

    Or are you just another 2:1, like Gove.

    ======================================

    Don’t put idiots in charge of Education.

  142. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 2:17 pm

    Herbie

    “Habby

    You’ve differentiated what you call “political literature”, from what you call the English-language literary canon.

    Have you the faintest clue what you’re talking about?”
    ______________________

    Firstly, let me thank you for standing in for Mr Scorgie; I know he likes some time to elapse before reaching for his keyboard.

    Reminds me a little of the critic in the one of the Sundays who said that he always included something negative in his otherwise kind and enthusiastic book reviews just in case anyone should think he and the author were buggering one another.

    Anyway : I do know what I’m talking about. Let’s see if you do – what exactly is your problem with what I wrote?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Let’s get the curriculum back on track with the Education Secretary!

  143. The two classes are not mutually exclusive.

    “Political literature”, as you’ve used it, could be applied to almost any work in the English canon, or any other canon.

    But nobody calls those works, “political literature”.

    So unless you manage to articulate some distinction here, your argument is little more than the usual waffle you trot out in defence of whatever dozy establisment geek is currently in the firing line.

  144. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 May, 2014 - 3:13 pm

  145. That silly Mr Habbabkuk said that Mary ‘splutters’. Mary has never spluttered in her life!

  146. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 May, 2014 - 3:24 pm

    He’s just ‘spluttering’ his unique sense of humor per Craig’s direction, Mary.

  147. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:26 pm

    More “wondering” from the Wonderful Mr Doug Scorgie:

    ““The cost of setting up all the bodies needed in an independent Scotland could be £1.5bn, the UK Treasury has claimed.”

    “It based the figure on research into the costs of setting up an independent state in Quebec, which have been estimated at 1% of GDP.”

    Why, I wonder, have they based their figures on a hypothetical analysis of a Canadian province?”
    _________________________

    The “analysis” to which you refer is the “research into the costs of setting up
    an independent state in Québec”, which exists – so there’s nothing hypothetical about it, Doug, and you were once again misleading when you referred to a “hypothetical analysis”.

    (“Hypothetical” = 1. involving hypothesis; conjectural 2. depending on hypothesis; supposed; assumed)

    ***********************

    Where was Mr Gove when some of us needed him?

  148. You just get more and more stupid, habby.

    The hypothesis lies in the comparison between the two, not in the Quebec facts.

    That’s why the writer uses the term “could”.

    Idiot!

    Two major thinking errors in the space of an hour.

    =========================================

    Don’t get your education from Govies. You’ll end up hard of thinking.

  149. Why can’t HRH Duke of Cambridge (or whatever his title is) get a proper job and be done with it. Stop stealing jobs from the plebiscite who actually need the salary.

    Monday, May 26, 2014
    EDP

    Prince William is contemplating joining the East Anglian Air Ambulance (EAAA) as a pilot, it has been reported.

    Last night, a palace spokeswoman said he was considering a “number of options for public service” a year after stepping down from his role as an RAF search and rescue pilot. She said no decision had been made yet. There is speculation that he could join the EAAA because of its close proximity to his country home near Sandringham.

    A spokeswoman for the EAAA said she was not aware of the Duke of Cambridge’s interest in joining the organisation. But she added that if he did become part of the service, it would be “amazing for us and the people of East Anglia”.

    http://www.edp24.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.3615794.1401097525%21/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg

  150. Watch out for Nazi fences, Craig.

  151. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:47 pm

    Herbie

    “So unless you manage to articulate some distinction here, your argument is little more than the usual waffle you trot out in defence of whatever dozy establisment geek is currently in the firing line.”

    _______________

    And your “reply” is absolutely nothing more than the usual guff you throw out when you’re feeling quarrelsome but not very well instructed.

    That guff includes

    1/. implying I’ve said something which I haven’t (“The two classes are not mutually exclusive.”)

    2/. making unsubstantiated claims (“Political literature”, as you’ve used it,..” – how have I used it, Herbie? Do tell me).

    3/ howlers in logic (“Political literature”, as you’ve used it, could be applied to almost any work in the English canon, or any other canon.But nobody calls those works, “political literature” – exactly! because nobody scatters around the term as you seem to do!)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I don’t think you’re very comfortable discussing matters in this field, are you. Why not leave it to Mr Scorgie?

  152. Anon

    You really are a malicious arse. My only comment on the ‘Nazi fences’ was

    ‘But are you sure they don’t pre-date the Nazis? The swastika is a very old symbol.’

  153. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:49 pm

    Herbie

    That’s the second time you’ve “replied” on behalf of Mr Scorgie.

    Are you sure you’re not buggering one another?

    :)

  154. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:57 pm

    Mary

    “Why can’t HRH Duke of Cambridge (or whatever his title is) get a proper job and be done with it. Stop stealing jobs from the plebiscite who actually need the salary.”
    ________________________

    Can you assure us, Mary, that you wouldn’t trot out that same line no matter what job HRH might get?

    If, for example, he became a teacher, are you sure you wouldn’t be criticising him for stealing a job from an unemployed graduate who wanted to become a teacher?

    Failing that assurance, Mary, I shall have to think of you in the same terms as Craig thinks about Anon (15h49 above).

  155. blogger A “Please, please, pay me attention.”

    blogger B “Let me explain for the 100th time why you’re not worth paying attention to ……”

    blogger A “Yes, yes, anything as long as you pay attention to me.”

    Blogger B “For the 101st time, …..”

    …..repeat forever ………

  156. Habby

    It’s very simple, just like you in fact.

    You’ve claimed that To Kill a Mockingbird, Of Mice and Men and The Crucible are what you call, “political literature”.

    What makes these works “political literature”, any more than many many other works of literature?

    It’d be reasonable to describe obviously political works as political literature.

    But that’s not what you did.

    You’ve invented your own class of literature, in which you’ve dumped these three works. So what is so specifically political about them that doesn’t apply to much of literature, in which case of course that adjective is totally unnecessary.

    The answer of course is your own very naive ideology, which I suspect is what the Gove twit is doing too.

  157. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 4:07 pm

    Herbie

    You must let let affection for that old bigger Doug cloud whatever judgement you might possess.

    When I read the expression “a hypothetical analysis”, I note that “hypothetical” is being used as an adjective to qualify the noun “analysis”. But since the analysis actually exists (it has been carried out), it cannot be hypothetical.

    So stop being so daft. Mr Scorgie is again guilty, at best, of loose drafting and no amount of wittering from you is going to convince anyone otherwise :)

    ***********************

    Mr Gove for Commission President!

  158. Fucking hell! It was a joke, Craig, aimed at Node not you.

  159. “That’s the second time you’ve “replied” on behalf of Mr Scorgie.”

    Anyone can reply to anything, but I’ll admit it’s hard to resist when you leave such an open goal.

    Yes, I’ve nicked two easy sitters that rightly should have been Doug’s.

    Apologies, Doug.

  160. Ben-LA PACQUTE LO ES TODO

    26 May, 2014 - 4:16 pm

    ” but I’ll admit it’s hard to resist when you leave such an open goal.”

    lol. He ventured too far out with his own assists.

  161. No, habby.

    What Doug actually said is:

    “Why, I wonder, have they based their figures on a hypothetical analysis of a Canadian province?”

    The “hypothetical analysis” very obviously refers to taking what happened in Quebec and then applying it to Scotland.

    The hypothesis lies in the comparison. The “hypothetical analysis” is in fact the very act of comparing.

    That’s why the original authors use the term “could”, as in could apply.

  162. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 4:40 pm

    Herbie

    The bottom line (my excuses to your good friend Mr Scorgie) is as follows:

    1. the three works to which Mary Mischief referred are not part of the English language canon;

    2. they will presumably be replaced by works which are part of that canon;

    3. there is therefore no reason to wax indignant about their removal from the curriculum;

    4. you are free to call those three works whatever you wish.

    I think that wraps it up nicely, don’t you?

  163. Jonathan Cook

    May 26, 2014

    Palestinian Christians Need a Political Pope Too
    The Pope in the Holy Land
    by JONATHAN COOK
    Nazareth.

    When Pope Benedict XVI visited the Holy Land five years ago, Israel heightened its security, gladly emphasising the potential threat he supposedly faced in Israel from Muslim extremists.

    As his successor, Pope Francis, arrived in Israel late on Sunday, security was no less strict. Some 9,000 police had been drafted in to protect him, Christian institutions were under round-the-clock protection, and the intelligence services were working overtime. According to a Vatican official, Israel’s preparations had turned “the holy sites into a military base”.

    On this occasion Israel was less keen to publicise the source of its fears, because the most tangible threat came not from Islamists but Jewish fanatics linked to Israel’s settler movement

    /..

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/05/26/the-pope-in-the-holy-land/

  164. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 4:51 pm

    Herbie

    “The “hypothetical analysis” very obviously refers to taking what happened in Quebec and then applying it to Scotland.

    The hypothesis lies in the comparison. The “hypothetical analysis” is in fact the very act of comparing.”
    ___________________

    So you are in fact saying that Mr Scorgie should have used the word “comparison” rather than “analysis”.

    But even if that is so, why should he have used the word ” hypothetical” to describe a comparison? Either you compare something or you don’t, surely? And apparently the Treasury did, which makes the comparison non-hypothetical.

  165. Back to William and the Air Ambulance.

    “amazing for us and the people of East Anglia” said the lady from the EAAA – her vocabulary is full of the jargon ‘going forward’, ‘absolutely’, ‘amazing’. We know her type. Is she by any chance related to Nicholas Witchell?

    She should know that many of the NHS paramedics are on zero hours contracts. The voluntary hospital car service has been wrecked by being paid one way only and the mileage allowance dropped. Yes. Take P William’s £millions from him. Give him one of the zero hours contracts and let him try to find a mortgage on it.

    This commenter under the piece has ‘got’ it.

    ‘But of the other RAF airsea rescue crews that got dumped when it was sold off to an American company? I wonder if any of them got offered the job…’

    http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/prince_william_could_be_a_pilot_of_the_east_anglian_air_ambulance_1_3615795

  166. No.

    I’m interested in the ideology that directs you to term these particular works of literature, “political”.

    What’s so especially political about these works, that doesn’t apply to so much else in the category Literature.

    You see, there’s not much point in inventing a specific class of literature if nearly everything literary is a member of it.

    What isn’t political, in the sense you’ve used the term?

  167. It’s quite straightforward.

    The hypothesis is that the comparison is valid.

    It may be. It may not be.

    It could be, as they said.

    They were hypothesising that it could be.

  168. John Goss – surprised to learn you are a fan of ‘V for Vendetta’ as you have described yourself as a Christian.

    Mary – if William didn’t work you’d call him a useless layabout and if he does work you accuse him of taking jobs. Let’s just say he will be doing something of considerable more value to society than posting inane copy and paste on a comments thread all day long.

  169. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 5:17 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 – 12:22 pm

    “…no one other than(perhaps) a dogmatic left-winger would claom that they are in the English-language literary canon.”

    Firstly Habbabkuk, what is left-wing about; To Kill a Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men?

    Secondly these works have been in the English language literary canon for decades.

    What did you read in sixth form?

    The Mr Men?

  170. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 5:21 pm

    Herbie

    “I’m interested in the ideology that directs you to term these particular works of literature, “political”.”
    _________________

    I’m flattered by your interest, Herbie, but perhaps you should ask Mary Mischief the question; after all, it was she who wrote “The thought police at the DfE are active. Minds are being moulded.”, thereby implying that the removal of those works was political (because the books themselves are, we must assume).

    By the way, still no answer from you to the following : however you light wish to describe them – or not – do you believe that the three works in question are part of the English-language canon?

  171. Are you a fan of royalty, Anon?

    Sleeping out all night in the rain to get the best spot on The Mall, waving your little flag.

    You do know they’re immigrants.

  172. Habby

    I’m just talking about Literature more generally, and since you’ve failed to answer my question I’ll just assume your understanding of literary works is purely ideological and deeply rooted in the Edwardian period.

    You may of course just be a complete ignoramus, and that doesn’t say much for your approval of Mr Gove’s stupidities.

  173. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 5:33 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 – 3:26 pm

    “The “analysis” to which you refer is the “research into the costs of setting up an independent state in Québec”, which exists…”

    Wrong again Habbabkuk, Quebec is a province of Canada it is not independent, so the research into the possible costs of independence is therefore hypothetical.

  174. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 5:40 pm

    Mary
    26 May, 2014 – 3:44 pm

    “There is speculation that he could join the EAAA because of its close proximity to his country home near Sandringham.”

    He could nip home for a shag at lunchtime

  175. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 5:53 pm

    From today’s Daily Telegraph Sport section:

    “McIlroy puts love split behind him…”

    On topic?

  176. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 6:19 pm

    Anon
    26 May, 2014 – 5:16 pm

    “…if William didn’t work you’d call him a useless layabout…”

    Anon, he is a useless layabout, just like the rest of the family.

    You seem to be one of the easily led fools that really believes William can fly a helicopter on his own, just like his dad LOL.

  177. “Are you a fan of royalty, Anon?”

    Not really, just pointing to another of Mary’s idiocies. I think Mary might be, though, judging by the time she spends following them.

  178. John Goss – surprised to learn you are a fan of ‘V for Vendetta’ as you have described yourself as a Christian.

    Fair comment. I thought the scripting was brilliant but then much of it appeared to have been taken from the book by Alan Moore.

    http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/392838-v-for-vendetta

    The gratuitous violence was not to my taste and I would normally find something more appropriate, but I got seduced by a good script, which is most unusual.

  179. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 7:40 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Wrong again Habbabkuk, Quebec is a province of Canada it is not independent, so the research into the possible costs of independence is therefore hypothetical.”
    _________________

    ‘Fraid not, Doug.

    Independence for Québec is hypothetical.

    Research into the possible costs of that hypothetical event is real, and not hypothetical. It is real because it has been carried out and therefore exists.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I think you once said you were a lawyer. I hope your (hypothetical) clients don’t read you on here before they engage your services… :)

  180. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 7:44 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “He could nip home for a shag at lunchtime”
    ___________________

    Is that a recommendation from personal experience, Doug?

  181. No Anon not a follower of the royals in any way just a critic of the system that keeps them in place. The EDP link was sent to me by a friend who lives in East Anglia. OK?

  182. Great news out of Turkey today as a Turkish court issued arrest warrants for the four Israeli officials who ordered the attack on Freedom Flotilla I.

    “A Turkish court has ordered the arrest of four Israeli officials in relation to the 2010 raid on the Mavi Marmara aid flotilla.

    Nine Turkish citizens (one who was also an American) were killed by Israeli commandos who raided the ship in international waters on the way to Gaza with the intention of breaking the Israeli naval blockade four years ago.

    A tenth Turkish man, who had been in a coma since being critically injured in the raid, passed away last week, becoming the tenth victim.”

    http://www.worldbulletin.net/general/137373/turkish-court-orders-arrest-of-israelis-over-mavi-marmara

    These men will spend their lives looking over their shoulders. According to lawyers who attended hearings in the past, they will not be able to leave Israel, they will not be able to travel without worrying about being arrested.

    Greta Berlin, Co-Founder, the Free Gaza movement
    Editor, Freedom Sailors

  183. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 12:04 am

    Original Troll alert – Mary’s back on Israel/Palestine again!

  184. Plenty more if you would like some! No shortage of stories of Israeli atrocities.

  185. Just like the updraught created by the helicopter, a little storm has blown up about a German tabloid BILD publishing a photo of Kate’s bare rear end. Another YCNMIU. The British press forever loyal monarchists refused to take it but the Mail spins it.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639702/Royal-privacy-row-German-tabloid-website-publishes-picture-Duchess-Cambridges-skirt-blew-Australia-tour.html

    Will we hear ‘We are not amused’ from the Palace minders.

    http://www.bild.de/unterhaltung/leute/catherine-mountbatten-windsor/und-kim-kardashian-schoene-kehrseiten-36136770.bild.html

    Bild – Axel Springer AG – Big Beasts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Springer_AG

    The royals’ last spat with some irreverent foreign media persons. They do have a ‘brand’ to protect FFS.
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/18/article-2203999-151318E8000005DC-2_634x621.jpg

    All good for a laugh and don’t we need one.

  186. Mary I have just taken a look at some of these links you provided

    and this is my response-

    as a Dutch/Australian grandmother who has a father who served in germany’s Hitler’s Youth Labour Force
    with Dutch ‘royals’ in the ‘embrace’ of Germany/as it is with the English -not ‘royals’

    and as a young woman who returned to Germany’s BAOR with an Australian military husband-you know, to protect the ‘west’ from possible/probable Russian attack

    ‘Bild’ means ‘image’, literally

    and then there is Bernhardt and the Bilderbergers

    and then, there are those who own everything including Media-more ‘image’ makers

    and You and I and a few others can see the whole she-bang as a sick, sick ‘image side-show’.

  187. Spot on there Babushka. Interesting to hear of your background. Sorry not to replied to your other posts, I usually read Paul Craig Roberts (recently rubbished here by the trolls) but not that one. I will try to get round to it. There are more and more words yet the evil intensifies around us.

    I have low energy levels at the present and the jobs are piling up. I really expected Habbabkuk to come round and help but if his horticultural knowledge is as flimsy as his other general knowledge=, he would probably not be of much help. More of a hindrance really as he is here.

  188. FYI How sad and how vile of the Israelis. A good man is dead.

    Respected Abu Dis doctor Dr Sameeh Wehesh died today aged 64, having become ill from breathing in the tear gas spread round the town by Israeli soldiers last weekend. He was now retired, having worked as the doctor in charge of the children’s section in Jericho hospital. He was well-known in Abu Dis for his activities in support of Palestinian prisoners and his support for the Abu Dis Youth Club.

    Dr Sameeh was in his own house in Abu Dis when heavy tear gas filled it on Friday. He lived between the university and the road to the military camp and Israeli soldiers were shooting tear gas all round. He phoned another local doctor saying that he was having difficulty breathing but he couldn’t manage to get out of the house for help because of the tear gas. His situation got worse and on Saturday he managed to get to the health centre where he was found to have a low level of oxygen. He was transferred to intensive care but he did not manage to recover.

    We send our deep sympathy to his family and our condolences also to the people of Abu Dis who remember Dr Sameeh as a strong and active member of the community.

    http://www.maannews.net/arb/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=700189
    Camden Abu Dis Friendship Association
    Linking together for human rights

    http://camdenabudis.net

  189. Funny that when every electrical item in a household and your smartphone/tablet can record every aspect of a person’s life its a royal arse that gets all the usual muppets up in arms.

    Priorities eh?

    Yet another non-story as diversion.

    Idiots.

  190. Inside the Mind of Edward Snowden
    In a wide-ranging and revealing interview, Brian Williams talks with former NSA contractor Edward Snowden about the global impact and debate sparked by his revelations

    http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/edward-snowden-interview/exclusive-edward-snowden-tells-brian-williams-i-was-trained-spy-n115746

    Was the use of the strange photograph intentional? It makes him look like a Mekon.

  191. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 9:11 am

    I gather, further up, that there’s some discussion going on about whether major works of US social realism should be included in the English curriculum according to Gove (the Authorised Version?) Victorian novelists seem to be the preferred alternative. One such, by the obscure, almost unheard of, novelist, Charles Dickens, commends itself: ‘Hard Times’. Which outlines the praiseworthy educational system employed for the children of mill workers in Lancashire: the inculcation of facts without any reference to their context, a stress on etymology, and universal learning by rote. An obedient and easily-exploited workforce was the intended result. A shame Dickens himself disagreed rather strongly with the system, but I am sure with inspired teachers, and a return to corporal punishment, pupils could be made to see its benefits.

    I read The Great Gatsby and Lord of the Flies (which was then novel) for English Literature ‘O’ Level. God knows what the Goveites would say to that. Private school too…

  192. Maybe the arch Atlanticist Gove is less concerned about promoting Brit Lit in our schools than kicking any US texts which question the truths of The American Dream into the long grass.

    It would certainly play well with his NeoCon masters…

  193. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 10:04 am

    You may be right, Jives, but on the other hand, see:

    http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/seven_norfolk_teachers_fly_off_to_china_on_fact_finding_mission_1_3614815

    Comments worth a look, for the reaction on the street as well as Nevermind’s input…

  194. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 10:23 am

    But if you are right, I guess that means Gove will have to edit Dickens pretty severely.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17017791

    And what of Benjamin Disraeli? Tory icon? Novelist and PM?

    Sybil? Gove does not speak her name…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_%28novel%29

  195. @Kempe
    The Polynesians ‘discovered’ America. Date unsure as there are few sites on Pacific Atolls and Islands where sweet potato pollen might be stored and dateable. But sweet potatoes there are in the Pacific. There is even a temperate/sub tropical cutlivar from New Zealand called the kumera. I strongly recommend it either roasted or chipped. There’s another South American plant that now grows wild in Fiji name of which I cannot remember and there are South American mtDNA haplotypes in Polynesians.

    Imagine, the people who developed an open ocean sailing and discovery culture and technology and who found every single scrap of vaguely habitable, empty land in the wide, wide Pacific (⅓ of the earth’s surface) and who could sail not just into but across the wind (you need the latter to sail to Aotearoa, Rapanui and Hawai’i from the Central Pacific).

    This was however undoubtedly before the Chinese Great Fleet or the Vikings in Vinland and of course after the various waves of humanity who have flowed into that continent from Far East Asia both by canoeing down the coast and overland.

  196. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 11:59 am

    For Gove, with love:

    Hark, I hear a joyful sound,
    Freedom’s trumpet shakes the ground;
    Freemen hear, and freemen dare,
    Claim your rights,- your wrongs declare.

    Tyrants hear, and tremble too;
    Men who feast, but nothing do;
    Useless gilded things, who say
    You are but of common clay.

    Hoary age and sturdy youth,
    All imbibe the sacred truth –
    That your Maker made you free,
    And demand EQUALITY!

    [Hymn 12, National Chartist Hymn Book; https://www.calderdale.gov.uk/wtw/search/controlservlet?PageId=Zoom&DocId=102253&PageNo=10 ]

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