Buggering the Valet

by craig on May 24, 2014 1:17 pm in Uncategorized

The row over Prince Charles in Canada reminded me of the role of the Royal Family in personifying those timeless traditions which comprise the spine of British culture.  One of these great Royal traditions, which has continued right down to the present generations, is buggering the valet.

31 May should be a national holiday in celebration of this great tradition. We should call it Bugger the Valet day.  On 31 May 1810 Ernest Duke of Cumberland, fifth son of George III, was buggering his valet Neale.   While Cumberland was fully engaged, another servant named Sellis impertinently entered the room.  Naturally the Duke, having ordered Sellis to wait and be spoken to, took out his sword and ran Sellis through seven times. Sellis remained impertinent, and even after being stabbed the first time, had the temerity to grab a candlestick and hit the Duke hard on the face, inflicting a disfiguring wound.  This of course is described in official histories (and I see on Wikipedia) as having been received in the Napoleonic Wars.

Over the years, seven journalists were imprisoned for publishing an account of Sellis’ death.  The Duke failed to pay Neale the money he had promised him to lie that Sellis had attacked the Duke, and subsequently Neale talked rather a lot.  The first journalist imprisoned, Henry White, died of disease contracted in prison. Henry White deserves to be remembered.

Cumberland was to marry a woman very widely believed across the German speaking world to be herself a murderess, Princess Frederica of Mecklenburg Strelitz, whose two earlier husbands had died, the second particularly unexpectedly and conveniently.

During the reign of King William IV, Cumberland was second in line to the throne after Victoria.  Victoria’s widowed mother, the Duchess of Kent, was shagging her Private Secretary, Sir John Conroy.  Actually every summer in Victoria’s teens they did their shagging in Townley House, which I can see now from my study window.

Ten months of the year they lived in Kensington Palace, and Conroy put Victoria into seclusion.  Conroy was hated – he was far too middle class to be shagging a Duchess.  There was a successful film by that awful far right “Lord” Julian Fellowes a few years ago called The Young Victoria.  Conroy was portrayed as a caricature villain, and conventional historians have accepted the monarchist line that his seclusion of Victoria was to maximize his own influence of control.

What Conroy himself said, and is almost never published, was that he was keeping Victoria under very close guard because he was terrified she would be poisoned or otherwise murdered by the heir to the throne, her uncle Cumberland, and his wife. Where this is ever mentioned by historians, it is to ridicule it as a crazy pretext.

In fact Cumberland was a murderer,  and Frederica very probably was too.  Conroy was absolutely right to protect Victoria from Cumberland.  What the establishment would not admit then or now was that there was a very real reason for Conroy to apprehend this danger.   Ernest Duke of Cumberland had killed Sellis.  His wife Frederica was reputed throughout Europe to have poisoned her second husband in order to marry Ernest and gain the possibility of becoming Queen of England.  Only Victoria stood between them and the throne, in an age of high mortality.

When William IV died, Victoria became Queen but as a female could not inherit the other Kingdom of Hanover.  Cumberland therefore became King Ernest of Hanover.  He abolished parliament and persecuted those regarded as liberal, including the Brothers Grimm who he dismissed from their University posts.

Ahh, our beloved Royal family! Remember – 31 May is Bugger the Valet Day.

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  1. I guess we are going to have to accept RD that the Nazi roots of the Royal Family have probably not got anything to do with logos on the fences of their many castles paid for by the British taxpayer. Perhaps when Scotland goes independent its taxpayers alone will fund some of these stately homes.

  2. I should have said thanks for the links. They could well be the fence ratchets to which A Node was referring.

  3. Interesting discussion.

    How long will it be before Alex Salmond is compared to Hitler.




    The British elite seem to have defined Hitler as anyone who is currently agin’em.

    Yet they were Hitler’s greatest supporters.

    They used to be called perfidious, but that doesn’t quite pack the punch necessary, these days.

    “Lying parasitic scum”, was a phrase oft voiced by ordinary peeps in pubs, when we still had pubs.

    They weren’t wrong.

  4. Le Front National is said to have won in France.

    Total estimated turnout throughout the EU is said to have risen by 0.1% to 43.1%.



    25 May, 2014 - 10:35 pm

  6. “The people shouldn’t be afraid of the government, the government should be afraid of the people.” I’m watching V for Vengeance so slightly off topic.


    25 May, 2014 - 10:49 pm

    “V” is one of my favorite feel good films, John

    V: “Good evening, London. Allow me first to apologize for this interruption. I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of every day routine- the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke. But in the spirit of commemoration, whereby those important events of the past, usually associated with someone’s death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, a celebration of a nice holiday, I thought we could mark this November the 5th, a day that is sadly no longer remembered, by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. There are of course those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who’s to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you’re looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn’t be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now high chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent. Last night I sought to end that silence. Last night I destroyed the Old Bailey, to remind this country of what it has forgotten. More than four hundred years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you’ve seen nothing, if the crimes of this government remain unknown to you, then I would suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked. But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me one year from tonight, outside the gates of Parliament, and together we shall give them a fifth of November that shall never, ever be forgot.”

  8. Resident Dissident 25 May, 2014 – 8:07 pm

    “Scotland’s full of them!

    Thank you, RD, the matter has been thoroughly examined in that forum. The photos there fit my memory of what I saw at Glamis Castle. If these sleuths were unable to come to a conclusion, I guess that’s it for now – inconclusive.

    To summarise their hundreds of comments:

    These fence wire tensioners are called “radisseurs”
    The ones with swastikas are not uncommon in Scotland but unreported in other European countries.
    There are three theories what they’re doing here:
    (1) a large batch of German-made stock was sold off cheap in Scotland, post-war because the swastika made them illegal to use in Germany.
    (2) They were made in India or China by a hardware manufacturer whose logo predates the Nazi party.
    (3) the swastika was a symbol demonstrating which way to ratchet up the tension!!

    In my opinion theory (1) is most likely and in support I offer this comment from someone living in Germany:

    “There are two possibilities I can think of. One is that they were made here for a German customer. but were part of a cancelled order in 1939, or that they were imported from Germany either before or after the war. the latter would probably make more sense as their use would be totally forbidden post war in Germany, as displaying a swastika in any form was banned, and there may have been a warehouse full of them with no home market.
    The interesting thing is that modern ones in catalogues seem absolutely identical. apart from the swastika, of course.
    Also one of the suppliers says on their website “these are widely used in Scotland” implying that they are not elsewhere in the UK.”

    Also, elsewhere, the Indian ‘Swastika Trading Co’ was found to use “a stylised Indian swastika, and doesn’t deal in fencing.”

    So probably German war stock, but no smoking gun. You got off with it this time, Lizzie ….

  9. Ben

    “America’s wars grew worse and worse and eventually came to London.”

  10. The European election results are coming in, constituency by constituency, as they do in a General election, but the vote in the UK was 4 days ago. The votes must’ve been long ago counted, but they are presenting them to us as though the results are just coming in. Sky seems to be following the same running order, so it seems each constituency has been allotted a time slot to read out their results.

    OK, it makes for a more exciting format, and God knows, a European election needs that, but who decided in which order the results are announced?

    It won’t affect the final result, obviously, but put it this way: if you asked each of the major parties to decide in which order the results should be announced, I bet each would have very different suggestions.


    26 May, 2014 - 12:02 am

    John; while you were watching ‘V’ I was watching Lord of War. It’s a fact-based account of private weapon merchants and the proliferation of small arms to developing nations. The principal character is dogged by INTERPOL and at one point he points out that the US delivers more in one day than he did in a year.


    26 May, 2014 - 12:12 am

    Buggering the Head of State..lol.


    “Here’s the thought experiment I’ve been playing with this morning: Take your political* Head of State and place her or him in the centre of the region of their own country that shows the most opposition to their government or administration, with no security detail or special physical protection. The question is, would said HoS then be murdered? Here are my subjective thoughts on a few places I know something about and/or watch closely, add your own if you like.

    The UK: No. Cameron would have a very rough time and plenty of verbal haranguing, but physical violence would be unlikely.

    Canada: Ditto. Many people hate Harper, but they’re unlikely to get medieval on the guy.

    France: No. More likely they’d end up inviting Hollande to dinner and launching into deep debate in order to convince him of the error of his ways, with consensus over at least a couple of items reached over the calvados and cheese.

    Argentina: No and for three reasons: Argentines talk more aggressively than they act re. politics, there are too many people who ID themselves as Peronists that will hate CFK’s style but agree on baseline substance, plus as a country they’re culturally very respectful towards women.

    Peru: No. Ollanta hasn’t screwed up people’s lives (so far). He may have ignored people who he said he’d help since coming to power and there is plenty of resentment over certain issues, but people’s justice wouldn’t carry to murder.

    Colombia: Tough call frankly, it’s the one I’ve been debating over more than any other. Santos may be in mortal danger in the unfettered company of far-lefties or far-righties there, but I’d guess the potential of his murder would first be used as some sort of bargaining chip in a wider deal (or non-deal). There’s an element of cold and calculated in this one, unlikely to be an instant, hot-blooded killing.

    The USA: Yes. A stereotyped collective negro lynch mob death probably wouldn’t happen, but the chances that one nutbar or a group of them consider it their patriotic duty to remove a powerful black democrat from the face of the planet are very high. The free availability of nasty weapons, the window of opportunity and the archetype individualistic, fractured society of self-importance all point in the same direction.

    Mexico: Yes. Plonk Peña Nieto in front of the narco groups that he’s been trying to dismantle and the only debate would be the way in which he’s to die, including the amount of pre-death pain his executioner would inflict just for fun.

    Venezuela: Yes. Maduro would be dead in less than a minute.”


    UKIP 31.3
    Con 24.9
    Labour 23.3
    Lib Dem 6.9
    Others 13.6

    Weird that


  14. Tony

    I was just thinking about you.
    Human nature is forever chastising those with more compassion than ourselves as having been brought up too soft.

    I remember from my childhood the frozen, stony emotional rejection my mother received from time to time from her mother. It was as chilling as the shared love of large immigrant families, Muslim or Eastern European is warming.

    I have heard English mums threaten their infants with tearing every bone out of their bodies for tiny misdemeanours, and I was thinking about the terrible impact this violence has, especially when combined with emotional rejection.

    Buggering the valet might have been a whole lot more emotionally satisfying than trying to have sex with severely emotionally disabled UK aristocratic women. Judge not lest ye be judged Amen.

    And yet only last night I heard my favourite Muslim preacher calling for the rod not to be spared in the memory learning of the Qur’an. I have visited madrassahs in Pakistan where boys were woken at dawn and allowed to bed only at 11 pm, with an additional daytime rest. And people who attended them report that they were beaten. So why not continue in the tradition?

    Colleagues from English backgrounds have described how they were thrashed for not obeying their elders. You had to earn parental affection. The very idea of having your own intellectual or religious opinion!

    Fair play to Prince Charles for getting to 70 and finding the self-confidence to express opinions. He should have been given that freedom as a child. Humour us.

    The appalling situation that exists amongst Muslims that they actually collude with Western Intelligence agencies to spy on their fellow Muslims is probably a disease from their own upbringing where their sexual desires were thrashed out of them.

    Judge not lest ye be judged is very much part of the Islamic tradition in its own right, but unlike Christians most Muslims do not know the verses from the scriptures that this spiritual principle is derived from. Anyone know please?

    The least Christian Christian has it as a building block of personality. Who knows about the post-Christians and the post Communists? Without it, projection and Voting for UKIP is the obvious solution. Wasted by democracy. or as Thomas Hardy would say, ruined.

    Christian thought always falls back on the crucifixion myth, that killing your teacher was the only way to stop civilisation as you knew it from falling apart. People have always eaten people. If people didn’t eat people there would be nothing left to eat! ( This is satire darlings from Flanders and Swan not part of Muslim theology )

    Human psychology always gangs up on those it considers to have not yet been beaten enough.

  15. The persecution of Protestants in France by Robespierre is much the same as the persecution of the Syrian Muslims by Al Qaida today. It is a Zionist plan to secularise Muslim countries.

    If you secularise people they have no spiritual foundation and you can incite them to division on ethnic and other fault lines.
    You think UKIP is a challenge to the status quo? UKIP is the monkey here.


  16. guano
    26 May, 2014 – 5:39 am
    “Fair play to Prince Charles for getting to 70”

    that’s entirely unfair, guano.
    as one born on the very same day – but radically different manger – i can assure you, “we are not amused.”
    in fact you will have to wait more than five years [but less than 6] for credibility with that…

    otherwise, i agree with your comment & always enjoy your posts.

  17. Q. What happens to the ballot papers, all numbered, and cross referenced on the electoral roll lists that the invigilators use.

    When I voted, one of two gave me the ballot paper and told the other what number it was. The latter then wrote that number against my name and drew a line through it using a ruler presumably as a record of my attendance. So they know who I am and how I voted. The same for all of us presumably.

    It is not a secret ballot.

    PS Spell check was anxious to change my misspelling of ‘invigilators’ to ‘invalidators.’ Enough said :)

  18. Next time when there is any defence of the Iraq war or of its perpetrators, show them this. I did not know that Wikileaks had logged every death and recorded the details. And still poor Julian is imprisoned and little is said. It is an outrage and one of the massive injustices of the century.


    If you zoom up over Baghdad, it is literally a sea of red.

  19. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 9:35 am

    Mr Scorgie

    ” Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !
    24 May, 2014 – 7:38 pm

    ” “You cite an alleged homosexual relationship between Michael Fawcett (neither a Royal nor a valet) and Prince Charles ( a Royal).”

    “The question I put to Craig was :”
    “I should like to hear from Craig which of the British ROYALs currently alive has buggered, or is buggering, his VALET(s).”

    Pedantic bullshit I’m afraid dear Habbabkuk (pedantic = overly concerned with minute details)”

    Not sure if the details are as minute as all that, Doug. Unless of course anything that shows you up as a bit of a plonker when it comes to logical argument counts as a minute detail?

    Anyway, a small question to you.

    Let’s assume you were caught one morning having fun under the bed covers with Herbie. It later transpires that Herbie had buggered A Node. Does this mean that you buggered A Node?

    Do you adhere to the theory of buggering by proxy and if so, would you extend that theory to other forms of sexual activity?

    Let’s be having you, Doug…. :)

  20. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 9:37 am


    pls delete my comment at 09h32. Something went slightly wrong there….

  21. So what did the other 66% think? It’s all a joke especially hearing the pocket pols’ giving their claims and interpretations of the results earlier this morning. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/vote2014/eu-uk-results

    One good thing. Zionist Israel supporting LD Sarah Ludford got the order of the boot in London.
    London MEP Sarah Ludford meets Israeli President Shimon Peres http://www.sarahludfordmep.org.uk/node/2189

    Sadly Zionist Israel supporting Con Nirj Deva got back in the SE. You should see his reply to me concerning support for Israel within the EU… EU-Israel Conformity Assessment … The EU‑Israel Conformity Assessment and Acceptance of … of Industrial Products (ACCA) agreement

    Both were on this 2009 list . Probably the same still applies if they were still there this year. It’s called ‘Keeping it in the family’.

    MEPs who employ family members:
    Brian Simpson – Lab – Son Mark £26,000-£36,000, wife Linda £10,000-£12,000
    Sir Robert Atkins – Con – Wife Lady Atkins £30,000-£39,999
    Nirj Deva – Con – Wife Indra £30,000-£39,999
    Stephen Hughes – Lab – Wife Cynthia Beaver £30,000-£40,000
    Charles Tannock – Con –Wife Silvia Janicinova £30,000-£39,999
    Michael Cashman – Lab – Civil partner Paul Cottingham £30,000
    Timothy Kirkhope – Con – Wife Caroline £20,000-£29,999
    Diana Wallis – Lib Dem – Husband Stewart Arnold £20,000-£25,000
    Roger Helmer – Con – Wife Sara £10-£20,000
    Graham Watson – Lib Dem – Wife Rita Giannini-Watson £10,000-£20,000
    Glenis Willmott – Lab – Husband Edward Willmott £10,000-£20,000
    Giles Chichester – Con – Wife Virginia £10,000-19,999
    Martin Callanan – Con – Wife Jayne Burton £0-£10,000
    Geoffrey van Orden – Con – Wife Frances £0-10,000
    Baroness (Sarah) Ludford – Lib Dem – Husband Steve Hitchins
    Nigel Farage – UKIP – Wife Kirsten
    Godfrey Bloom – UKIP – Niece Victoria Skowronek

  22. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 9:47 am

    “David Starkey: Alex Salmond is a ‘Caledonian Hitler’

    “He said Mr Salmond thinks that “the English, like the Jews, are everywhere”, before arguing that Hitler was “more democratically elected”.


    Starkey is of course one of our respected establishment historians.

    Should we believe his version of history?

    “The historian and broadcaster David Starkey has provoked a storm of criticism after claiming during a televised discussion about the riots that “the problem is that the whites have become black”.


  23. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 9:59 am

    26 May, 2014 – 12:12 am

    “Venezuela: Yes. Maduro would be dead in less than a minute.”

    True Ben

    The CIA are just waiting for the opportunity

  24. Cameron said this morning that he will not shift the referendum forward, giving UKIP more scope.
    But I’m sure that theyt will be making all sorts of approaches with them, we will either see a UKIP Tory coalition, or, in a bid of desperation, a grand coalition of the stale party oligarchies.

    The greens are stagnating and the Lib Dems are panting for air, frantically treading water after being maelstromed, to reach the top and mingle with the floaters.

    Why has this man such success? He cares very little of what people think of him or his agenda, speaks his mind and does not change the subject round to his kind of debate.

    UKIP’s manifesto agenda is poor, it does not say anything on issues other parties write reims on. But they are wrong, if there would be a vote on the EU today, they would find that the majority will vote to stay in. Cameron is mistaken, he should bring the referendum forward, as soon as possible, even before the GE, because the result would pull the rug away underneath UKIPs feet.

    Off course, this would mean to be open and forthcoming with information about Europe’s achievements, what it means to the economy and why we should be sitting at the table negotiating, not begging for hand outs and access at the doorstep.
    If there is any lesson for these carrerists to learn, it is to be open, direct and honest with voters. Changing the subject because you do not like it, being evasive and aloof will not get them anywhere.
    Creating jobs that are meaningfull, scraping nuclear power and go full out on tidal and sea current energy generation, and a promise of supporting all schools regardless of whether they are run as free schools academies or comprehensives would all go down well with young people. The debate on the decriminalisation of drugs is another issues thats been too long evaded.

    The economic benefits that come from safeguarding our estuaries and coastline, whilst cancelling an uneccessarry PWR programm, the sense it would make to ban nocotinoids, without a debate as the evidence is clear as daylight, would both be positive measures that can be announced instantly, measures young people would appreciate as their future insurance.

    Why say this? because hope for principled positive and sustainable change is the greatest motivator of all. Enjoy the gardening

  25. ‘The principal character is dogged by INTERPOL and at one point he points out that the US delivers more in one day than he did in a year.’

    The principal character in the film is a fictionalised version of Viktor Bout; he was rendered by the CIA in Bangkok in 2008 and is presently serving time in an Illinois prison facility-


    Unsurprisingly, his wikipedia entry makes no mention of the logistical assistance his companies gave to the occupying forces in Iraq post 2003.

  26. More scare stories from the establishment on the dangers of an independent Scotland:

    “The cost of setting up all the bodies needed in an independent Scotland could be £1.5bn, the UK Treasury has claimed.”

    “It based the figure on research into the costs of setting up an independent state in Quebec, which have been estimated at 1% of GDP.”

    Why, I wonder, have they based their figures on a hypothetical analysis of a Canadian province?

  27. “David Starkey: Alex Salmond is a ‘Caledonian Hitler’

    Although he doesn’t sound it, Starkey is a native Cumbrian; anti Scottish prejudices in the English appear to increase exponentially the closer you get to Carlisle.

  28. 21st century democracy:

    Ukraine and now Thailand

    “Thailand’s military leader has received royal endorsement at a ceremony in the capital, Bangkok, after taking power in a coup last week.”

    “To restore peace and order in the country and for sake of unity, the king appointed Gen Prayuth Chan-ocha as head of the National Council of Peace and Order to run the country,”

    “Elections would take place as soon as possible, he said, but gave no timeframe.”

    “He also said he would have NO CHOICE BUT TO USE FORCE if protests continued.”


    Could it happen in Scotland I wonder?

  29. The thought police at the DfE are active. Minds are being moulded.

    25 May 2014

    Exam board ‘drops’ Mockingbird and Steinbeck after Gove reforms
    Comments (902)

    Gove reveals ‘tougher’ GCSE shake-up

    To Kill a Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men are among the US literary classics to be dropped by a GCSE exam board after the education secretary called for more British works to be studied.

    Neither book is on OCR’s draft GCSE English Literature syllabus in England.

    Michael Gove’s overhaul has also seen Arthur Miller’s The Crucible left out.

    The Department for Education said its document about new content for the subject published in December “doesn’t ban any authors, books or genres”.

    Labour said the changes were “ideological” and “backward-looking”.


  30. doug scorgie, craig murray,

    Yes, the post is in bad taste. If you want to find fault with the royals, there are many serious things to criticise and expose without resorting to smut.

    The remark recently made by Prince Charles in Canada – which is probably the reason for this post – is most likely disingenuous and made with the intention to suck up to those who would be gratified by the comparison between Putin and Hitler. Why? Maybe we should think of the results of the recent elections and the proximity of the general election.

  31. And here is one to make you all smile, off course, certain libertarians believe in it and there might be a ruse of taxing solar energy soon.
    I hope this will cheer up your Monsunday.


  32. A good laugh but how many will believe it?

    A lot probably in America.

    “The study was commissioned by…the Halliburton corporation…”

    Say no more!

  33. Glass

    If you completely lack a sense of fun and mischief, I really wouldn’t bother coming here :-).

    Public service announcement. Tomorrow we leave for Spain where Nadira is starting a four month module on her Master’s degree. Cameron is going along, and of course so am I as chief cook, bottlewasher and childminder. Once they are well established in a few weeks I shall be free to roam the world as usual, principally of course Scotland now for obvious reasons. Obviously very busy packing and moving at the minute.

  34. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 12:22 pm

    Mary splutters

    “Exam board ‘drops’ Mockingbird and Steinbeck after Gove reforms
    Comments (902)

    Gove reveals ‘tougher’ GCSE shake-up

    To Kill a Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men are among the US literary classics to be dropped by a GCSE exam board after the education secretary called for more British works to be studied.

    Neither book is on OCR’s draft GCSE English Literature syllabus in England.

    Michael Gove’s overhaul has also seen Arthur Miller’s The Crucible left out.”

    Now, the three works cited by Mary might well be excellent examples of political literature but no one other than(perhaps) a dogmatic left-winger would claom that they are in the English-language literary canon.

    Therefore Mary’s claim that

    “the thought police at the DfE are active. Minds are being moulded.”

    is, as so often, nonsensical.


    As is, by the way, Gnu-Labour’s assertion that “the changes were “ideological” and “backward-looking”.

    Backward looking in relation to what?


    Habbabkuk for Quality Education and the Literary Canon.

  35. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 12:35 pm



    If you completely lack a sense of fun and mischief, I really wouldn’t bother coming here :-) .”

    You’re right of course and I know you were just having a little frolic there ‘cos I remember you saying that although a republican you didn’t share the animosity certain commenters feel for the Royal family.

    But still, I do think you should have shown more consideration for the weaker-minded and more impressionable of your followers on here: some you have stirred up into a frenzy (bad for the heart and judgement), whereas others will now not dare to venture within 10 miles of Buck House, Windsor Castle, Balmoral and Sandringham lest they should find themselves unexpectedly and unpleasantly impaled*on the end of a rampant Royal Rod.


    * in the case of Doug Scorgie (see above),possibly by proxy.

  36. Nevermind, Doug Scorgie,

    This has got to be a wind up …. hasn’t it?
    Not even Haliburton would stretch our credibility this far …. would they?

    Naah, it’s a hoax ….. isn’t it?

  37. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 12:39 pm

    Mr Scorgie (re the military coup in Thailand)

    “Could it happen in Scotland I wonder?”

    Even without wondering, I doubt it, Doug.

    Has your wondering led you to firm up an opinion yet, I wonder?

    If so, Doug, do you now think it could happen or that it couldn’t?

  38. Alan Campbell

    26 May, 2014 - 12:45 pm

    From the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography:
    “In the small hours of 31 May 1810 Cumberland’s valet, Joseph Sellis, was found with his throat cut in the duke’s apartments at St James’s Palace. Cumberland, who had a deep wound in the head, maintained he had been awakened by blows struck by Sellis, whom he forced to flee to his own bedroom, where the valet committed suicide. At the inquest on Sellis this account was accepted by a jury whose foreman was the radical, Francis Place. The motive for an assault by Sellis on the duke remains unclear; it was alleged that, as a Corsican and a Roman Catholic (and thus paralleled with Britain’s foe, Napoleon), he was goaded by taunts and insults from his ultra-protestant and anti-French master; but Sellis was actually Sardinian, and had his children baptized in the Church of England. So deep was the abhorrence felt towards Cumberland following the inquest, which despite its verdict revealed much contradictory evidence, that it was widely believed he had murdered Sellis to prevent him from revealing scandalous details of the duke’s private life.”

  39. Having re-read my post above, I should make clear that I don’t for one instant give any credibility to the photon-hoovering powers of solar panels. I am suggesting that someone is winding us up by pretending that Haliburton is behind the study.

  40. Resident Dissident

    26 May, 2014 - 12:59 pm

    “whereas others will now not dare to venture within 10 miles of Buck House, Windsor Castle, Balmoral and Sandringham lest they should find themselves unexpectedly and unpleasantly impaled*on the end of a rampant Royal Rod.”

    More likely a fence complete with Nazi insignia!

  41. Sorry Doug, no wonder you referred to it as V. I thought I was watching V for Vengeance but it was V for Vendetta. What’s happening to my brain? Don’t answer that. I recognised Stephen Fry in a half-decent film. No Royals but I think it gave Anonymous a few ideas.

  42. Courtenay Barnett
    Ummm…but from a psychological perspective they could be labelled. One could perhaps identify these behaviors as rooted in the process of ‘desublimation’. This occurs when the natural process of ‘sublimation’ is repressed and the id overrides the ego as the driving force for personal satisfaction. It is down to deep rooted repression as another poster pointed out. The unnatural forces acting on the individual indeed do interfere with the expression of his or her free will.
    However the point here is that this is also a societal phenomenon its achieved by a subtle manner and we are coaxed into unnatural behaviors, such as consumerism and racialism through advertising and other forms propaganda..repressive desublimation is the curse of modern society and this leads to the condition of hypercognition..thinking we understand things that we don’t and really can’t, but also neurosis and entrapment.

  43. Olla Craig, disfrutar de España y no olvides decirle a los vecinos a cuidar su casa.

    Good luck to Nadira’s with the studies, you will need factor 30 suncreme if you get time off from the washing up.

  44. Habby

    You’ve differentiated what you call “political literature”, from what you call the English-language literary canon.

    Have you the faintest clue what you’re talking about?

    Or are you just another 2:1, like Gove.


    Don’t put idiots in charge of Education.

  45. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 2:17 pm



    You’ve differentiated what you call “political literature”, from what you call the English-language literary canon.

    Have you the faintest clue what you’re talking about?”

    Firstly, let me thank you for standing in for Mr Scorgie; I know he likes some time to elapse before reaching for his keyboard.

    Reminds me a little of the critic in the one of the Sundays who said that he always included something negative in his otherwise kind and enthusiastic book reviews just in case anyone should think he and the author were buggering one another.

    Anyway : I do know what I’m talking about. Let’s see if you do – what exactly is your problem with what I wrote?


    Let’s get the curriculum back on track with the Education Secretary!

  46. The two classes are not mutually exclusive.

    “Political literature”, as you’ve used it, could be applied to almost any work in the English canon, or any other canon.

    But nobody calls those works, “political literature”.

    So unless you manage to articulate some distinction here, your argument is little more than the usual waffle you trot out in defence of whatever dozy establisment geek is currently in the firing line.


    26 May, 2014 - 3:13 pm

  48. That silly Mr Habbabkuk said that Mary ‘splutters’. Mary has never spluttered in her life!


    26 May, 2014 - 3:24 pm

    He’s just ‘spluttering’ his unique sense of humor per Craig’s direction, Mary.

  50. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:26 pm

    More “wondering” from the Wonderful Mr Doug Scorgie:

    ““The cost of setting up all the bodies needed in an independent Scotland could be £1.5bn, the UK Treasury has claimed.”

    “It based the figure on research into the costs of setting up an independent state in Quebec, which have been estimated at 1% of GDP.”

    Why, I wonder, have they based their figures on a hypothetical analysis of a Canadian province?”

    The “analysis” to which you refer is the “research into the costs of setting up
    an independent state in Québec”, which exists – so there’s nothing hypothetical about it, Doug, and you were once again misleading when you referred to a “hypothetical analysis”.

    (“Hypothetical” = 1. involving hypothesis; conjectural 2. depending on hypothesis; supposed; assumed)


    Where was Mr Gove when some of us needed him?

  51. You just get more and more stupid, habby.

    The hypothesis lies in the comparison between the two, not in the Quebec facts.

    That’s why the writer uses the term “could”.


    Two major thinking errors in the space of an hour.


    Don’t get your education from Govies. You’ll end up hard of thinking.

  52. Why can’t HRH Duke of Cambridge (or whatever his title is) get a proper job and be done with it. Stop stealing jobs from the plebiscite who actually need the salary.

    Monday, May 26, 2014

    Prince William is contemplating joining the East Anglian Air Ambulance (EAAA) as a pilot, it has been reported.

    Last night, a palace spokeswoman said he was considering a “number of options for public service” a year after stepping down from his role as an RAF search and rescue pilot. She said no decision had been made yet. There is speculation that he could join the EAAA because of its close proximity to his country home near Sandringham.

    A spokeswoman for the EAAA said she was not aware of the Duke of Cambridge’s interest in joining the organisation. But she added that if he did become part of the service, it would be “amazing for us and the people of East Anglia”.


  53. Watch out for Nazi fences, Craig.

  54. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:47 pm


    “So unless you manage to articulate some distinction here, your argument is little more than the usual waffle you trot out in defence of whatever dozy establisment geek is currently in the firing line.”


    And your “reply” is absolutely nothing more than the usual guff you throw out when you’re feeling quarrelsome but not very well instructed.

    That guff includes

    1/. implying I’ve said something which I haven’t (“The two classes are not mutually exclusive.”)

    2/. making unsubstantiated claims (“Political literature”, as you’ve used it,..” – how have I used it, Herbie? Do tell me).

    3/ howlers in logic (“Political literature”, as you’ve used it, could be applied to almost any work in the English canon, or any other canon.But nobody calls those works, “political literature” – exactly! because nobody scatters around the term as you seem to do!)


    I don’t think you’re very comfortable discussing matters in this field, are you. Why not leave it to Mr Scorgie?

  55. Anon

    You really are a malicious arse. My only comment on the ‘Nazi fences’ was

    ‘But are you sure they don’t pre-date the Nazis? The swastika is a very old symbol.’

  56. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:49 pm


    That’s the second time you’ve “replied” on behalf of Mr Scorgie.

    Are you sure you’re not buggering one another?


  57. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 3:57 pm


    “Why can’t HRH Duke of Cambridge (or whatever his title is) get a proper job and be done with it. Stop stealing jobs from the plebiscite who actually need the salary.”

    Can you assure us, Mary, that you wouldn’t trot out that same line no matter what job HRH might get?

    If, for example, he became a teacher, are you sure you wouldn’t be criticising him for stealing a job from an unemployed graduate who wanted to become a teacher?

    Failing that assurance, Mary, I shall have to think of you in the same terms as Craig thinks about Anon (15h49 above).

  58. blogger A “Please, please, pay me attention.”

    blogger B “Let me explain for the 100th time why you’re not worth paying attention to ……”

    blogger A “Yes, yes, anything as long as you pay attention to me.”

    Blogger B “For the 101st time, …..”

    …..repeat forever ………

  59. Habby

    It’s very simple, just like you in fact.

    You’ve claimed that To Kill a Mockingbird, Of Mice and Men and The Crucible are what you call, “political literature”.

    What makes these works “political literature”, any more than many many other works of literature?

    It’d be reasonable to describe obviously political works as political literature.

    But that’s not what you did.

    You’ve invented your own class of literature, in which you’ve dumped these three works. So what is so specifically political about them that doesn’t apply to much of literature, in which case of course that adjective is totally unnecessary.

    The answer of course is your own very naive ideology, which I suspect is what the Gove twit is doing too.

  60. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 4:07 pm


    You must let let affection for that old bigger Doug cloud whatever judgement you might possess.

    When I read the expression “a hypothetical analysis”, I note that “hypothetical” is being used as an adjective to qualify the noun “analysis”. But since the analysis actually exists (it has been carried out), it cannot be hypothetical.

    So stop being so daft. Mr Scorgie is again guilty, at best, of loose drafting and no amount of wittering from you is going to convince anyone otherwise :)


    Mr Gove for Commission President!

  61. Fucking hell! It was a joke, Craig, aimed at Node not you.

  62. “That’s the second time you’ve “replied” on behalf of Mr Scorgie.”

    Anyone can reply to anything, but I’ll admit it’s hard to resist when you leave such an open goal.

    Yes, I’ve nicked two easy sitters that rightly should have been Doug’s.

    Apologies, Doug.


    26 May, 2014 - 4:16 pm

    ” but I’ll admit it’s hard to resist when you leave such an open goal.”

    lol. He ventured too far out with his own assists.

  64. No, habby.

    What Doug actually said is:

    “Why, I wonder, have they based their figures on a hypothetical analysis of a Canadian province?”

    The “hypothetical analysis” very obviously refers to taking what happened in Quebec and then applying it to Scotland.

    The hypothesis lies in the comparison. The “hypothetical analysis” is in fact the very act of comparing.

    That’s why the original authors use the term “could”, as in could apply.

  65. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 4:40 pm


    The bottom line (my excuses to your good friend Mr Scorgie) is as follows:

    1. the three works to which Mary Mischief referred are not part of the English language canon;

    2. they will presumably be replaced by works which are part of that canon;

    3. there is therefore no reason to wax indignant about their removal from the curriculum;

    4. you are free to call those three works whatever you wish.

    I think that wraps it up nicely, don’t you?

  66. Jonathan Cook

    May 26, 2014

    Palestinian Christians Need a Political Pope Too
    The Pope in the Holy Land

    When Pope Benedict XVI visited the Holy Land five years ago, Israel heightened its security, gladly emphasising the potential threat he supposedly faced in Israel from Muslim extremists.

    As his successor, Pope Francis, arrived in Israel late on Sunday, security was no less strict. Some 9,000 police had been drafted in to protect him, Christian institutions were under round-the-clock protection, and the intelligence services were working overtime. According to a Vatican official, Israel’s preparations had turned “the holy sites into a military base”.

    On this occasion Israel was less keen to publicise the source of its fears, because the most tangible threat came not from Islamists but Jewish fanatics linked to Israel’s settler movement



  67. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 4:51 pm


    “The “hypothetical analysis” very obviously refers to taking what happened in Quebec and then applying it to Scotland.

    The hypothesis lies in the comparison. The “hypothetical analysis” is in fact the very act of comparing.”

    So you are in fact saying that Mr Scorgie should have used the word “comparison” rather than “analysis”.

    But even if that is so, why should he have used the word ” hypothetical” to describe a comparison? Either you compare something or you don’t, surely? And apparently the Treasury did, which makes the comparison non-hypothetical.

  68. Back to William and the Air Ambulance.

    “amazing for us and the people of East Anglia” said the lady from the EAAA – her vocabulary is full of the jargon ‘going forward’, ‘absolutely’, ‘amazing’. We know her type. Is she by any chance related to Nicholas Witchell?

    She should know that many of the NHS paramedics are on zero hours contracts. The voluntary hospital car service has been wrecked by being paid one way only and the mileage allowance dropped. Yes. Take P William’s £millions from him. Give him one of the zero hours contracts and let him try to find a mortgage on it.

    This commenter under the piece has ‘got’ it.

    ‘But of the other RAF airsea rescue crews that got dumped when it was sold off to an American company? I wonder if any of them got offered the job…’


  69. No.

    I’m interested in the ideology that directs you to term these particular works of literature, “political”.

    What’s so especially political about these works, that doesn’t apply to so much else in the category Literature.

    You see, there’s not much point in inventing a specific class of literature if nearly everything literary is a member of it.

    What isn’t political, in the sense you’ve used the term?

  70. It’s quite straightforward.

    The hypothesis is that the comparison is valid.

    It may be. It may not be.

    It could be, as they said.

    They were hypothesising that it could be.

  71. John Goss – surprised to learn you are a fan of ‘V for Vendetta’ as you have described yourself as a Christian.

    Mary – if William didn’t work you’d call him a useless layabout and if he does work you accuse him of taking jobs. Let’s just say he will be doing something of considerable more value to society than posting inane copy and paste on a comments thread all day long.

  72. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 5:17 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 – 12:22 pm

    “…no one other than(perhaps) a dogmatic left-winger would claom that they are in the English-language literary canon.”

    Firstly Habbabkuk, what is left-wing about; To Kill a Mockingbird and Of Mice and Men?

    Secondly these works have been in the English language literary canon for decades.

    What did you read in sixth form?

    The Mr Men?

  73. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 5:21 pm


    “I’m interested in the ideology that directs you to term these particular works of literature, “political”.”

    I’m flattered by your interest, Herbie, but perhaps you should ask Mary Mischief the question; after all, it was she who wrote “The thought police at the DfE are active. Minds are being moulded.”, thereby implying that the removal of those works was political (because the books themselves are, we must assume).

    By the way, still no answer from you to the following : however you light wish to describe them – or not – do you believe that the three works in question are part of the English-language canon?

  74. Are you a fan of royalty, Anon?

    Sleeping out all night in the rain to get the best spot on The Mall, waving your little flag.

    You do know they’re immigrants.

  75. Habby

    I’m just talking about Literature more generally, and since you’ve failed to answer my question I’ll just assume your understanding of literary works is purely ideological and deeply rooted in the Edwardian period.

    You may of course just be a complete ignoramus, and that doesn’t say much for your approval of Mr Gove’s stupidities.

  76. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 5:33 pm

    Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 – 3:26 pm

    “The “analysis” to which you refer is the “research into the costs of setting up an independent state in Québec”, which exists…”

    Wrong again Habbabkuk, Quebec is a province of Canada it is not independent, so the research into the possible costs of independence is therefore hypothetical.

  77. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 5:40 pm

    26 May, 2014 – 3:44 pm

    “There is speculation that he could join the EAAA because of its close proximity to his country home near Sandringham.”

    He could nip home for a shag at lunchtime

  78. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 5:53 pm

    From today’s Daily Telegraph Sport section:

    “McIlroy puts love split behind him…”

    On topic?

  79. doug scorgie

    26 May, 2014 - 6:19 pm

    26 May, 2014 – 5:16 pm

    “…if William didn’t work you’d call him a useless layabout…”

    Anon, he is a useless layabout, just like the rest of the family.

    You seem to be one of the easily led fools that really believes William can fly a helicopter on his own, just like his dad LOL.

  80. “Are you a fan of royalty, Anon?”

    Not really, just pointing to another of Mary’s idiocies. I think Mary might be, though, judging by the time she spends following them.

  81. John Goss – surprised to learn you are a fan of ‘V for Vendetta’ as you have described yourself as a Christian.

    Fair comment. I thought the scripting was brilliant but then much of it appeared to have been taken from the book by Alan Moore.


    The gratuitous violence was not to my taste and I would normally find something more appropriate, but I got seduced by a good script, which is most unusual.

  82. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 7:40 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “Wrong again Habbabkuk, Quebec is a province of Canada it is not independent, so the research into the possible costs of independence is therefore hypothetical.”

    ‘Fraid not, Doug.

    Independence for Québec is hypothetical.

    Research into the possible costs of that hypothetical event is real, and not hypothetical. It is real because it has been carried out and therefore exists.


    I think you once said you were a lawyer. I hope your (hypothetical) clients don’t read you on here before they engage your services… :)

  83. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    26 May, 2014 - 7:44 pm

    Mr Scorgie

    “He could nip home for a shag at lunchtime”

    Is that a recommendation from personal experience, Doug?

  84. No Anon not a follower of the royals in any way just a critic of the system that keeps them in place. The EDP link was sent to me by a friend who lives in East Anglia. OK?

  85. Great news out of Turkey today as a Turkish court issued arrest warrants for the four Israeli officials who ordered the attack on Freedom Flotilla I.

    “A Turkish court has ordered the arrest of four Israeli officials in relation to the 2010 raid on the Mavi Marmara aid flotilla.

    Nine Turkish citizens (one who was also an American) were killed by Israeli commandos who raided the ship in international waters on the way to Gaza with the intention of breaking the Israeli naval blockade four years ago.

    A tenth Turkish man, who had been in a coma since being critically injured in the raid, passed away last week, becoming the tenth victim.”


    These men will spend their lives looking over their shoulders. According to lawyers who attended hearings in the past, they will not be able to leave Israel, they will not be able to travel without worrying about being arrested.

    Greta Berlin, Co-Founder, the Free Gaza movement
    Editor, Freedom Sailors

  86. Habbabkuk (La vita è bella) !

    27 May, 2014 - 12:04 am

    Original Troll alert – Mary’s back on Israel/Palestine again!

  87. Plenty more if you would like some! No shortage of stories of Israeli atrocities.

  88. Just like the updraught created by the helicopter, a little storm has blown up about a German tabloid BILD publishing a photo of Kate’s bare rear end. Another YCNMIU. The British press forever loyal monarchists refused to take it but the Mail spins it.

    Will we hear ‘We are not amused’ from the Palace minders.


    Bild – Axel Springer AG – Big Beasts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Springer_AG

    The royals’ last spat with some irreverent foreign media persons. They do have a ‘brand’ to protect FFS.

    All good for a laugh and don’t we need one.

  89. Mary I have just taken a look at some of these links you provided

    and this is my response-

    as a Dutch/Australian grandmother who has a father who served in germany’s Hitler’s Youth Labour Force
    with Dutch ‘royals’ in the ’embrace’ of Germany/as it is with the English -not ‘royals’

    and as a young woman who returned to Germany’s BAOR with an Australian military husband-you know, to protect the ‘west’ from possible/probable Russian attack

    ‘Bild’ means ‘image’, literally

    and then there is Bernhardt and the Bilderbergers

    and then, there are those who own everything including Media-more ‘image’ makers

    and You and I and a few others can see the whole she-bang as a sick, sick ‘image side-show’.

  90. Spot on there Babushka. Interesting to hear of your background. Sorry not to replied to your other posts, I usually read Paul Craig Roberts (recently rubbished here by the trolls) but not that one. I will try to get round to it. There are more and more words yet the evil intensifies around us.

    I have low energy levels at the present and the jobs are piling up. I really expected Habbabkuk to come round and help but if his horticultural knowledge is as flimsy as his other general knowledge=, he would probably not be of much help. More of a hindrance really as he is here.

  91. FYI How sad and how vile of the Israelis. A good man is dead.

    Respected Abu Dis doctor Dr Sameeh Wehesh died today aged 64, having become ill from breathing in the tear gas spread round the town by Israeli soldiers last weekend. He was now retired, having worked as the doctor in charge of the children’s section in Jericho hospital. He was well-known in Abu Dis for his activities in support of Palestinian prisoners and his support for the Abu Dis Youth Club.

    Dr Sameeh was in his own house in Abu Dis when heavy tear gas filled it on Friday. He lived between the university and the road to the military camp and Israeli soldiers were shooting tear gas all round. He phoned another local doctor saying that he was having difficulty breathing but he couldn’t manage to get out of the house for help because of the tear gas. His situation got worse and on Saturday he managed to get to the health centre where he was found to have a low level of oxygen. He was transferred to intensive care but he did not manage to recover.

    We send our deep sympathy to his family and our condolences also to the people of Abu Dis who remember Dr Sameeh as a strong and active member of the community.

    Camden Abu Dis Friendship Association
    Linking together for human rights


  92. Funny that when every electrical item in a household and your smartphone/tablet can record every aspect of a person’s life its a royal arse that gets all the usual muppets up in arms.

    Priorities eh?

    Yet another non-story as diversion.


  93. Inside the Mind of Edward Snowden
    In a wide-ranging and revealing interview, Brian Williams talks with former NSA contractor Edward Snowden about the global impact and debate sparked by his revelations


    Was the use of the strange photograph intentional? It makes him look like a Mekon.

  94. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 9:11 am

    I gather, further up, that there’s some discussion going on about whether major works of US social realism should be included in the English curriculum according to Gove (the Authorised Version?) Victorian novelists seem to be the preferred alternative. One such, by the obscure, almost unheard of, novelist, Charles Dickens, commends itself: ‘Hard Times’. Which outlines the praiseworthy educational system employed for the children of mill workers in Lancashire: the inculcation of facts without any reference to their context, a stress on etymology, and universal learning by rote. An obedient and easily-exploited workforce was the intended result. A shame Dickens himself disagreed rather strongly with the system, but I am sure with inspired teachers, and a return to corporal punishment, pupils could be made to see its benefits.

    I read The Great Gatsby and Lord of the Flies (which was then novel) for English Literature ‘O’ Level. God knows what the Goveites would say to that. Private school too…

  95. Maybe the arch Atlanticist Gove is less concerned about promoting Brit Lit in our schools than kicking any US texts which question the truths of The American Dream into the long grass.

    It would certainly play well with his NeoCon masters…

  96. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 10:04 am

    You may be right, Jives, but on the other hand, see:


    Comments worth a look, for the reaction on the street as well as Nevermind’s input…

  97. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 10:23 am

    But if you are right, I guess that means Gove will have to edit Dickens pretty severely.


    And what of Benjamin Disraeli? Tory icon? Novelist and PM?

    Sybil? Gove does not speak her name…


  98. @Kempe
    The Polynesians ‘discovered’ America. Date unsure as there are few sites on Pacific Atolls and Islands where sweet potato pollen might be stored and dateable. But sweet potatoes there are in the Pacific. There is even a temperate/sub tropical cutlivar from New Zealand called the kumera. I strongly recommend it either roasted or chipped. There’s another South American plant that now grows wild in Fiji name of which I cannot remember and there are South American mtDNA haplotypes in Polynesians.

    Imagine, the people who developed an open ocean sailing and discovery culture and technology and who found every single scrap of vaguely habitable, empty land in the wide, wide Pacific (⅓ of the earth’s surface) and who could sail not just into but across the wind (you need the latter to sail to Aotearoa, Rapanui and Hawai’i from the Central Pacific).

    This was however undoubtedly before the Chinese Great Fleet or the Vikings in Vinland and of course after the various waves of humanity who have flowed into that continent from Far East Asia both by canoeing down the coast and overland.

  99. Ba'al Zevul (I THink, Therefore No-one Listens)

    28 May, 2014 - 11:59 am

    For Gove, with love:

    Hark, I hear a joyful sound,
    Freedom’s trumpet shakes the ground;
    Freemen hear, and freemen dare,
    Claim your rights,- your wrongs declare.

    Tyrants hear, and tremble too;
    Men who feast, but nothing do;
    Useless gilded things, who say
    You are but of common clay.

    Hoary age and sturdy youth,
    All imbibe the sacred truth –
    That your Maker made you free,
    And demand EQUALITY!

    [Hymn 12, National Chartist Hymn Book; https://www.calderdale.gov.uk/wtw/search/controlservlet?PageId=Zoom&DocId=102253&PageNo=10 ]

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