Do not be deceived. The murdered innocents of Gaza are not those who are really suffering. It is the liberal Jews like Hadley Freeman, victims of the new anti-Semitism.
Israel is a state openly founded on racist and theocratic grounds, in which Jews have an absolute right to live in Israel, wherever in the world they were born and their families have been for centuries, and nobody else does. The unfortunate pre-1946 occupants of the land have been mostly driven out into refugee camps, including in Gaza, while religiously motivated settlers continue apace to grab the best Palestinian land and water. The state does this for them precisely and explicity because they are Jewish. Those non-Jews who remained in Israel proper are subject to a whole raft of apartheid style legislation, even governing whom they may marry, and the quantity of this legislation is increasing. 140 Israeli laws specify treatment by race.
Israel is as a state entirely based and run on a racist premise. Its very foundation is racist. But while the Israeli state may steal land specifically for Jews, make provision for Jews, and make life difficult for non-Jews, anybody else who mentions Jews in the context of Israeli behaviour is a vicious racist and anti-Semite. This warped and ludicrous logic is enforced by political orthodoxy and the mainstream media.
It is as though, in opposing apartheid, it was taboo to mention it had been invented for the benefit of white people.
Reading Freeman’s long self-pitying self-centred whinge I was waiting to find out what had actually happened to her to occasion some distress. Had she had a brick through her window? Had she been assaulted in the street? Has somebody hurled racial abuse at her?
Apparently none of the above. It appears that she feels under unfair pressure to denounce the actions of Israel. And- horror of horrors – the Tricycle Theatre has cancelled a Jewish Film Festival in Kilburn because it was financed by the Israeli Embassy. Oh no, the agony! How can a poor girl survive in a North London which is so rife with anti-Semitism! It reminded me forcefully of the very first diplomatic social engagement of my professional career, in 1985 when our Afrikaaner hostess held forth on how she thought people looked down on her in Harrods.
I deplore racism with every part of my being, all racism. Freeman makes what is intended to be a smart observation that the Tricycle’s act “reminds me how very far I am from the States”. It is very plain that she regrets that and believes that the US attitude to Israel is better than the British one.
This then morphs into the meme that the reaction to the Gaza massacre is part of a wave of the “new anti-Semitism”. There have indeed been several deplorable anti-Semitic incidents in Europe in the last few months. But they have killed absolutely nobody in the last two years, while Israel has killed 1,500 people. There have been three terrible examples of racial murders of Jews in the past eight years, and there needs to be continued and unremitting vigilance against all hate crime. The disruption of Hadley’s cinema treats and the daubing of paint on a synagogue are in themselves bad things. But do they really compare to the massive disproportionate force being used to destroy over 1,000 women and children in a month in Gaza, and the context of the entire seventy year programme of ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinian people?
You are right, Hadley. Just because you are Jewish does not mean you should be under special pressure to condemn Israel’s actions. But if you take it upon yourself to write a long article on the subject, we are entitled to expect you – as a human being – to condemn the massacre. And as in the article you write about nothing but your own angst and the evils of anti-Semitism, and manage not a single word of sympathy or regret for the victims of the terrible massacre in Gaza, we are entitled to form our own opinion.
And my opinion is that you are a wholly self-centred and self-regarding little person with an abject lack of moral perspective, who seems to think the murder of 1500 people is about the impact on your feelings.
Hadley, you are not disgusting because you are Jewish: you are just a disgusting human being.
@Mark: What is your concern?
It has been decided that the Donbass people (or their representatives, with help from Russia) shot the airliner down, and that justifies their annihilation. Haven’t you got that?
Given that the leaders have all these powerful governments have already decided that, how can the investigators possibly come up with any other conclusion.
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@Habby: Sheffield was made a nuclear free zone at a different time… when the world did genuinely seem to be trying to get along and there was no war just round the corner. Since then we’ve had Yugoslavia, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (twice), Libya, and (nearly) Syria, by nuclear powers as well as the triennial attacks by nuclear Israel on its non-nuclear neighbours. The UN has done nothing. I think Sheffield would make note of how much the world had changed, and I’d expect that they changed their status after Neil Kinnock jettisoned labour’s anti-nuclear policy at the end of the 1980s. Doesn’t mean the policy was wrong… just that the world had changed.
James Mason “But how would that lead to a solution? ”
The Palestinians in Gaza would get to lead normal lives. If you want more of a solution: the Israelis can leave the West Bank and let the Palestinians there lead normal lives too.
Or they could create a non-racist state of all Palestine and allow the refugees home to it.
The occupying power has to stop occupying – that’s the cause and the only solution.
@Mike: Just read your earlier post about BBC coverage. I think we have this person to thank Patrick Bodenham https://twitter.com/search?q=patrick%20bodenham&src=typd
His rooftop photograph of many thousands protesting outside the BBC got retweeted nearly 3000 times. After that much twittersphere exposure, it would be absurd of the BBC to ignore it.
https://twitter.com/pjbodenham/status/498080913893634049/photo/1
Or… under pressure greater than that exerted by Ben Net, they could have had a change of heart. Or both.
Fedup
Firstly, no apologies for mixing you up with Passerby – you are equally medacious and stupid. That’s what you get when you play your silly Tweedledee Tweedledum games: ask Fedup a questiion and Passerby replies with some bilge; ask Passerby a question and in leaps Fedup.
Anyway, to the substance.
“No Arabs can marry or for that matter sleep with any Jews, and those doing so will be punished for rape!”
has suddenly changed into
“The Israeli parliament passed a law preventing Palestinians married to Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship.” !
LOL!
With advocates like you two, no wonder the Palestinians always lose the propaganda war! They really deserve better.
@Je: for that to happen, the US would have to stop supporting Israel militarily.
For that to happen, the Israelis would need to vacate all their post-1967 settlements.
For that to happen, the UNSC would have to be reconstituted so one country can exert a veto to prevent International Law being put into practice.
It could happen. Best case scenario for now is for Israel to voluntarily stop stealing and occupying yet more Palestinian land, and for the EU to stop abstaining in the UNSC to avoid displeasing the US.
Peacewisher
“I think Sheffield would make note of how much the world had changed, and I think Sheffield would make note of how much the world had changed, and I’d expect that they changed their status after Neil Kinnock jettisoned labour’s anti-nuclear policy at the end of the 1980s. Doesn’t mean the policy was wrong… just that the world had changed.’s anti-nuclear policy at the end of the 1980s. Doesn’t mean the policy was wrong… just that the world had changed.”
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Your comment disappoints, because I had provisionally put you into a higher intelligence league than clowns like Passerby, Fedup and so on. But I may now have to revise your classification.
Do you really not understand that I cited Sheffield as an example of meaningless, cheap gesture politics??
Do you not understand that there was no STATUS – other than in a few people’s over-inflated minds – to change (“and I’d expect that they changed their status after Neil Kinnock jettisoned labour’s anti-nuclear policy ..” ??
And do you not understand that there was no “POLICY” – in any meaningful, practical sense of that word – to change (” Doesn’t mean the policy was wrong…”) ??
Think, for Heaven’s sake.
I find that a lot of authors at the Guardian are blinkered narcissists who claim to be liberal or on the left but are mostly incapable of thinking things through properly. So many of them are also blatantly sexist and bigoted, even as they claim to be fighting against those things.
Menacious. Questiion.
Is the sherry kicking in?
And this obsession about Arabs sleeping with Jews. Where is that coming from?
Trumpet
“I find that a lot of authors at the Guardian are blinkered narcissists who claim to be liberal or on the left but are mostly incapable of thinking things through properly. So many of them are also blatantly sexist and bigoted, even as they claim to be fighting against those things.”
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When I first read that comment of yours quickly I thought you were referring to most of the regular commenters on here!
On re-reading, I’m sure you are!
Mary
“And this obsession about Arabs sleeping with Jews. Where is that coming from?”
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Ask Fedup and Passerby, Mary.
“Menacious. Questiion.
Is the sherry kicking in?”
Mary, be aware that when someone attacks another on the basis of typos, it’s generally considered that they have nothing otherwise worthwhile to attack them on. It’s petty behaviour.
“And this obsession about Arabs sleeping with Jews. Where is that coming from?”
Introduced by Fedup, I believe. (Or maybe it was Passerby. I can never tell the difference.)
Irish Senator David Norris rises against Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvRYXtPdmCU
The armchair bigotry here is ridiculous. Your bleeding hearts can’t even get your hypocrite arses on a march for the Palestinians you allegedly feel oh so sorry for. Too busy blaming the Jews on the internet. Pathetic.
Phil,
Put the crackpipe down son,just put it down.
@Habby: I don’t want to be “classified”, and I’m kind of relieved about that.
Surprised that you can’t to a straightforward cut-and-paste, because that does change the meaning somewhat of my statement about the changing 1980s.
I was there, Habby. Not in Sheffield, but very much part of the zeitgeist of the time in the UK. As ever, it was caused by a bungling government. Margaret Thatcher’s underlings obviously thought us Brits weren’t fearful enough about the Russians, and spent a small fortune in a recession posting leaflets “Protect and Survive” through every household’s letter box. Do you remember that?
The liberals had always been antinuclear, but labour brought in Polaris. It was quite a change for them to become antinuclear, and in my they were led by CND, who parodied the government propaganda with “Protest and Survive”. The Tories were hated in the cities (remember the 1981 riots?), and most had labour-controlled councils. That is how the nuclear free zones came about…
There’s more; a lot more. I’m surprised you don’t know this.
Oh,dear. I rather like Hadley Freeman’s column, too. She can be quite funny, and often makes good sense. This seems to have been triggered by the Tricycle Theatre bustup and probably extended itself from her usual slightly acerbic take on cultural trivia.
With,
We’re not in Kansas any more, Toto.
she at least recognises there’s a problem of perception. We get better coverage than the US, we are not infested bu fundamentalist Christians who have poached the Zionist narrative for themselves, even now the UK has a higher regard for natural justice and a lower one for unrestricted coercion, and the country is not wedded to gun law and heroic settlers.
The basic premiss, that the Tricycle Theatre should be in some way compelled to host a Jewish film festival, is of course fallacious. Matters of cultural credibility, security and commercial viability arise, perhaps, and could do in parallel circumstances not involving Israel or the reason for Israel, Jews. Kilburn would be a prtty interesting place to hold, say, an Ulster Unionist film festival. I doubt Hadley would get too exercised about that one being called off…like many Americans, she might have close ties to Irish independence…
But I think the eagle is straining at flies this time, Craig.
Phil – no I didn’t go on the march. I long ago came to the conclusion that marches accomplish nothing, and in the case of Gaza, the government isn’t listening to anyone anyway. I have contributed to MAP, and will do so again shortly: here it is again –
http://www.map-uk.org/
But I won’t call you a ‘bleeding heart’ with a ‘hypocrite arse’ if you don’t. I see no point in adding to the anger.
Kitty has claws!!
Correcting others, and checking their conduct of course is a sure sign of having lots to say.
It is an Irish thing I suppose.
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The numbers of questions you ask have you confused; whom you have asked about what? Although it is clearly a sign of “intelligence” to lose the thread and keep on asking the wrong question from the wrong guy, and then insist on attributing the worn g comment to the wrong contributor and then call everyone; “stupid, idiots”.
Self inflicted prophet, you are reliant on the book of Ezra and Nehemiah to ensure segregation. Further cocksure about the “anti assimilation” drives (as already outlined in the comments and links so far, but you wont have read them after all all you do is throw crap around as in a fashion after monkeys in the zoo) leave you safe in the knowledge that ta system that has Rassensehutz-Gesetz built into it already needs not to formalise and set laws about such eventualities. After all goyim cattle can be sent on a wild goose chase and come up with nothing!
The only slight trouble was; the 2003 laws that are designed to circumvent any and all transgressions by ensuring that the untermensch cannot reside in zionistan, and thus to ensure any probable marriage collapses even if the participants are are purportedly “in love”!
The clever tribe always ensures there is room left for prevarication, after all that is how the goyime cattle are kept at bay.
@Phil: Each to his/her own. I would have liked to have been there… as I said, my last demonstration was the sad TU march in March 2011 where many of the marchers seemed to be devoid of passion, the speakers were going out of their way to be “politically correct”, and the only thing of interest was the Occupy movement. I felt then that something had changed about being British, and (most) TU leaders had become part of the problem. Maybe I’d changed…?
Habbabkuk,
So you berate Fedup and Passerby for tag-teaming.
Pot and kettle methinks with you and your hasbara buddies tactics being exactly the same.
You really are a foolish hypocritical oaf Habbabkuk.
Jives
Team-tagging, Jives?
What are you raving on about now?
andreas w . mytze – Here is a food for thought from an inmate of Warsaw ghetto.
Zionist writer Chaim Kaplan, who kept a diary during the Warsaw ghetto uprising, wrote his observation of his tribe: “Every nation, in its time of misfortune, has conspirators who do their work in secret. In our case an entire nation has been raised on conspiracy. With others the conspiracy is political; with us it is religious and national”.
http://rehmat1.com/2010/11/21/anti-semitic-roots-of-zionism/
Phil
“The armchair bigotry here is ridiculous. Your bleeding hearts can’t even get your hypocrite arses on a march for the Palestinians you allegedly feel oh so sorry for. Too busy blaming the Jews on the internet. Pathetic.”
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No marches. No “respectful” demonstrations outside your friendly local synagogue (that’s for Komodo). No Palestinian flags flying outside Mary’s des res in leafy Surrey (or am I mistaken?).
Armchair warriors!
KILL The Messenger Movie starring Jeremy Renner
a movie about the origins of the crack trade, the US intelligence community and the CONTRA war in Nicaragua has a release date of 11/28/14 in UK. Sorry about the previous post with a different date
11.28.14 is the date
http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/movies/kill-the-messenger-autumn-preview-499455.html
Dreoilin (21h35)
You read my thoughts.
As you’re an admirer of Mary’s, would you mind asking her, on my behalf, whether she flies the Palestinian flag outside her des res in leafy Surrey?
You know, like Glasgow City Council?
Peacewisher
You’re diverting, but never mind.
No, I don’t remember that. I think I was elsewhere, probably busily plotting the downfall of social-democracy and freedom with Henry Kissinger, Theodor Herzl, Amschel Rothschild (deceased) and of course Uncle Tom Cobley.
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My feelinb is that you have the potential to become a serious commenter on here (one of the very few). Please don’t waste it by becoming an Eminence.
Habbabkuk,
As you well know i was pointing out your sockpuppet hypocrisy.
You and your troll chums love nothing better than a call and response scene on threads.
@Habby: Yes, we failed to see off Maggie and she wrought havoc on this country into 1982, but at least we tried. I was quite proud of what had been achieved in town halls across the land. Then came… “The Falklands”. No country can do jingoism like the Brits. We should have seen that the game was up, but some… maybe Sheffield… kept it going too long.
The short video of today’s demonstration showed plenty of passion, and it is remarkable how Palestine still stirs peoples’ emotions. Today was also the anniversary of Nagasaki, where as many people died as demonstrated today in London (150000). If those who died that day have spirits watching over us, they would be greatly saddened by the remilitarisation of their once homeland.
Fedup
“The Israeli parliament passed a law preventing Palestinians married to Israelis from gaining Israeli citizenship.”
has now morphed into
“the 2003 laws that are designed to circumvent any and all transgressions by ensuring that the untermensch cannot reside in zionistan,”.
Why does the story change every time you comment, Fedup?
The attestation to my above comment is to be verified in the imprisonment of Sabbar Kashur for rape. Sabbar a delivery driver, comes across a young lady in East Jerusalem and the silver tongued Sabbar aka Dudu chats her up, and soon after he manges a near by “building” and get to know her biblically, they depart on good terms.
Then later (much much later, weeks if memory serves me right) the young lady finds out that Dudu is not a Jew and she walks into the police station ad complains that he raped her!
Fact that the young lady is so annoyed at the Arab Sabbar has put his Arab addendum in close proximity of her “chosen private parts” is only reflective of the degrees of rampant racism prevalent in zionistan, (but that is not the issue) this fact is further corroborated by the police taking up her complaint and then prosecution going to prosecute Sabbar for full rape, and finally settling down to rape by “deception” and then Judge giving it large and handing a year and half in jail for Sabbar to learn a lesson; never screw above his station the beastly goy that he is.
But the self inflicted prophet unsurprisingly skips this bit and goes on to ask one of his “clever” questions, paying no attention to the case of; if Arabs dare to sleep with Jews they are highly likely to end up in the clink. Instead it keeps on asksing his question in its ADHD fashion.
Peacewisher
Surely you’d agree with me, if you were being honest, that the foolishness and gesture politicking of Glasgow City Council in flying the Palestinian flag is only exceeded by the foolishness of those on this blog who welcome that action as a significant blow thrown at Israel and a welcome tonic to the Palestinians?
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While on flags – does anyone know if the Palestinians have a national anthem?
If they do, perhaps Glasgow City Council could consider installing loudspeakers (not made in Israel of course) outside its building and regaling the public with said anthem for a day or two?